in the patriotic resource, it is also worth noting that, but literally, not so long ago , a section on historical and cultural heritage appeared , and the first object that appeared in this section was chosen not by chance, it was proposed by the youth themselves and became the palace of independence. well , like a business card. uh, our sovereign belarus and uh, it is important to note that this object is very symbolic for us, but because student groups took part in the construction and one of the first visitors after the opening of the palace was participants of our forum of youth traditions the future is very cool that it is young guys who are so actively joining this project or similar projects in your opinion. why is it so important today that such projects exist, come up with something new and implement them? why is it important today to talk about history about historical memory, not only about historical memory? well, we probably

already partially touched on this topic, just to prevent it. uh, rewriting history to keep it the, uh, the way it really was and happened. and also, so that, uh, not to lose. let's say. so. here is tunisia yes, through the generation that passes in its original form, knowing that you are still working with russian colleagues. maybe you are preparing some new projects. yes, no, not in addition to, uh, the digital star project, which is also being implemented on the territory of the russian federation. literally, on the seventh of december in moscow, at the russian embassy in the embassy of the republic of belarus and the russian federation, a discussion club was held, and the youth of belarus and we talked about russia, let's say, on topical issues, and one of these stood up just with the

storage of the historical memory of the joint. well , let's say. so. the work of the debating club was assessed, it was very positive that it was decided that it would become an annual event. well, for sure, the agenda is wider, how else can i prepare projects with us. uh, let's say international cooperation is a priority for our youth union and there are a number of projects, including the annual queen of students competition, which also takes part and young girls from the republic, belarus thank you very much for your questions. the program was answered by ekaterina lakisova. project leader, digital famous star summarizes and analyzes the main events of this week in the atn news analytics program. main broadcast. all projects of our tv channel are available on the website www.i take 24 points also in social networks. i'm sorry to you.

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our guest today is natalia sakharchuk, head of the public information department communications of the ministry of internal affairs of belarus andrey kovalyov head of the main directorate for combating cybercrime of the ministry of internal affairs of belarus we are not the first time we meet in this studio, in principle, the topic of conversation. seemed to be beaten up enough. we hear in transport. when we get home or go to work, we hear on the radio on tv that the scammers have become active again , deceiving people, what is happening is it really a scam, despite the fact that we talk so much about it , cyber ​​telephone is thriving and continues deceive. unfortunately, you state the correct fact - this is the growth of fraud. in general. you know far. no need to follow the example literally. yesterday. somewhere around 8 pm. i hear a call on my mobile phone, my good friend says, natasha tell me, she says, they really tried to divorce me or is it true. i say tell me what happened. she says a person called her, moreover, on viber and began to introduce himself that i am

shaw, the detective of the minsk main department of internal affairs, what is trying on your behalf take a loan from a bank and carry out certain transactions with a bank card. and this one, please come urgently to us e in the unit. she says, you know, i don’t have time to come to you, she says, send me a summons, she says, something clicked. i understand that, probably, most likely a divorce. but he says, he spoke so convincingly, that is, he had a real psychological impact on her, that right now they will take a loan, that she will lose a lot of money and so on. after when she said you were sending a summons. he says, you know, while we came, and, he says, the timbre of the voice is already changing. he raises. so far, we have come to you with a summons, he says, all your money will be withdrawn from you. she says, well, you know, she says, let's call you later, she says, and i'll find out some questions now. then she

dials me and tells the situation. i say of course, i say, they tried to divorce you, i say. you just did the right thing by stopping the conversation and hanging up and the most important rule that all our dear tv viewers who are watching us now should remember and tell their friends, acquaintances, close relatives , employees of the internal affairs bodies do not call you on instant messengers on their official issues. if we need to find you. believe me. we have all the data and we have, first of all, the official telephone numbers. well, the scenario has changed before they called and told that relatives got into an accident. that is, this scenario is changing, how it generally works, each six months a year, how often do you need to understand that fraud today. this is the most common type of crime in the world. uh, if not unique, absolutely not. well, if we look a little into history, there were gypsies on the streets before, yes, and there was a certain fortune-telling of some kind of

manipulation, thimble beggars, in my opinion, if the two thousandths, and so on, but fraud in general a very interesting type of crime, and it changes very fast and fast. uh, here we were talking about one situation them actually in fact, there are a lot of situations and about once a month, some other fraud appears on the territory of belarus, which has changed its form, first of all, and a new look, first of all. uh, again, it's all about our carelessness of information, personal, personal, a lot of it here on the net. we don't think it's where our children are placed. where we studied photography , some acquaintances and so on, of course, so it's all publicly available. it's all online and you don't need a lot of intelligence to collect it all in any person, because there is no opinion now, so you don't, right? to get a job, but it is customary to fill out a questionnaire, but now everyone is looking, where do they immediately go to look on the internet, right? what what do you live? what are you doing, therefore, scammers, they very quickly rebuild this

person, and to deceive how they manage to dilute this for money, especially such large sums. as i understand it, the most important thing is to get your attention to get your attention. this , as natalya mikhailovna already said, is either the timbre of the voice, or some kind of stressful emergency situation, or information is given that funds have been stolen from your account. you , uh, taking into account the fact that you need to save at least something, take some actions, measures, you begin to think outside the box and all psychologists immediately bring you to a certain model of behavior. yes, definitely yes? or is it more outwardly they said that, and in connection with the special operation in ukraine , scammers began to call us from ukraine. yes it is, indeed. at first, the special operation was sharply reduced in general fraud and in general, everything that is connected, say, via the internet, but by the end of the year, everything began to level out when the russian

federation carried out certain actions on the territory of ukraine. uh, the number of incoming calls. it changes drastically. and we have reliable accurate information where the call centers are located. how many of them what do they do? this has already been voiced more than once, but again , we cannot talk about everything, even today, because operational-investigative actions and certain developments are ongoing. eh, sooner or later we keep them anyway. you today an interesting entry. we definitely need it. now we will show it on the air, but it turns out that, sometimes or not sometimes, the work of a fraudster becomes directly official employment. it's kind of a cover. in order to create a legend, a person is taken under some kind of trading store. he can be a manager. he can be some kind of specialist consultant, anyone gets a work book. yes indeed, but money is paid. see wages. this is a screen for which the whole

the fraud industry is hidden so let's go official anyway. we will now listen to a fragment of this conversation. it is completely different what you can earn officially, as if they are even gaining. yes , their labor work is cool, there are even records . of course, of course, yes, it's cool. the center of the shopping store, our cops are cared for because they cover us, well, all the cops, we like to cover half the price of ours, so to speak, the patrol police have good money, we get the one who trains our people, he is a psychologist in the profession and type, she teaches that in everything. well, how to put pressure on a person so that he agrees with me, it seems hmm to lead a person to a loan, load it into an incomprehensible account and tell him that you repaid it, this is what you need to crush a person what is needed, as it were, well , i do not know, you will not call the first

number. new generator and everything in general there is a program that is e and passport data is a 10 program. well, like, why, if you can, just find out everything from a person, let's say it doesn't mean if a person is some kind asks an uncomfortable question then, well, i must say. which asks the people, they are all the same. well, as we call the fences, that is, the questions we have answers in the speech we have in front of the computer send the speech on which you speak and, uh, all the fences for all the questions. there are answers. yes, absolutely any question has an answer, because for 4 years we have been calling on this topic. we have fun, all all questions. there are answers. this conversation is quite revealing. we understand perfectly well that this is, in principle, an organized stable group people who are well trained by their superiors. well, based on their words. yes

, the fact is that at the moment, well, there are not as many call centers on the territory of ukraine as it was, of course, before the start of a special military operation, but nevertheless , there is no place to be the recording that we are now listening to, unless , of course, you hear everything that was said there. it clearly tells that an official job is being arranged and the more you bring the pain of people, the better it will be, and they work there, not only youth, somewhere certain. uh, the age category is somewhere around 20 dash 35 years old. well , it was also said that he brings his parents. there are almost grandfathers, grandmothers and so on. that is, one person must bring in the region of 10-15 people, so that you understand. these people come, they are given, as they say, a turnkey computer and conducts a training procedure with them, someone remains directly in the know, someone

is already independent. let's say a function. yes, someone is already doing independent work, that is, someone at home is doing these by all means, someone removes certain ones there, but at home, so that they know less, as they say. same neighbors, who 's doing what? well, the bottom line is that they earn income , well, on average, up to $ 5,000 a month, we currently have information. this is an audio recording, where one of the employees clearly says that yes, he says, i’m working and 50% i’m being deducted. she has an army to purchase, there weapons and needed further for them. as they say there are some things needs products and so on. that is, like this manner. you correctly said that a certain, uh, pyramid works. in the truest sense of the word, a pyramid that deceives our gullible belarusians. that is , it turns out that they are deceiving us taking

our money. they just spend some of it. then, directly for your needs on the needs of the state, before the start of the program, natalya mikhailovna, you talked about the existence of statistics, how gullible belarusians are and how much fraudsters have already managed to deceive our people. there are such statistics. yes statistics certainly there is a number of machines from every year they are increasing directly through the internet or how is it used? ways of method vary er divided fraud. uh, in general, it is customary to divide fraud into several types directly by those that my division of criminal investigators and employees to combat economic crimes deal with, depending on the form of the method. uh, what form of ownership this or that is already involved in the division, because there are a lot of specifics, technical specifics and legal specifics, according to our line is fixed. eh, both rise and fall. and all this is connected with a number of factors, first

of all, what is happening on the territory of the country itself, some economic political issues, what is happening with our closest neighbors in the world as a whole, and turning off the font. it would seem a payment system. it played positively for the belarusians, because the number of unclean cars decreased for a certain period of time, until they rebuilt, found new states and a way to withdraw money funds. that is, here is a detachment of factors and reasons that affect, uh, cybercrime in general. and in the field of fraud , as it were, if we already say so, and their uh from the general statistics is more than 17% the proportion of all crimes in the country. this figure is constant, but varies from year to year. we started with a figure of more than 30%, then thanks to prevention thanks to investigation thanks to the media. we nevertheless conveyed to people the minimum that must be observed in order not to become a victim of cyber scammers, or scammers in general. how much how much did the

fraudster manage to profit from, the amount constantly varies, but today we can say that the amount is more than 18 million rubles. but the year is not over yet, everything is ahead and it’s not a fact that our citizens will not fall for the so-called divorce fraud and the amount will not increase, so , by the way, in continuation of the topic about the fact that the year is not over yet. a new vision of fraud has begun to gain popularity in our country right on the air of your announcement program. this kind, unfortunately a scam about that our dear viewers today are very actively cheating our people for money on a social network, which, according to analytical data, takes second place in popularity, we are talking about instagram, and various purchases are made. only, literally in the last 24 hours , four people contacted, the victims, who, for example, ordered a beautiful fluffy new year tree via the internet. they came to the

post office and took it away, and there it turned out to be just a piece of wood and such fraud is gaining momentum. everything is right, so yes to do gifts absolutely. therefore, if you want to have a good pre-new year 's mood and keep the money intact, look from whom and what you buy. at the moment, especially before the new year, there are a lot of christmas tree bazaars. where can you come? and choose a fluffy beauty. the one you need, please, today there are a huge number in shopping centers. let artificial christmas trees give gifts, plus everything, of course , discounts are made before the new year. so you better come and choose with your own eyes what is given for something absolutely right. what are you ordering. through the internet you come to the post office. you pay , you come home, turn around, and then op and one continuous frustration, so the first one in no case let us deceive ourselves, the second

one does not spoil our new year's mood and is attentive to what the caller offers . of course, about the caller. i think that we will continue this issue and do not forget that cheap does not mean high quality. why does everyone get caught because as he said, he is also a christmas tree bazaar, everything else is behind beautiful pictures, as a rule, a fake is hidden, because it is cheap. what attracts the price and everyone pecks at this price, because it's new. here are some discounts sale cheap can not be of high quality there are some other new forms of fraud that you should pay attention to. and where else do you need to be careful. yes, of course, you need to carefully be everywhere and always, as natalya mikhailovna already said, social networks are dating sites. they have a place to be and are still relevant. it seemed would. yes, uh, people spend a lot of time online on various resource sites. now it is very fashionable i will not advertise this or that network. it has become very fashionable to get acquainted or even start some kind of conversation with

the network dialogue. eh, contacted dialogue. everything is fine. like a boy girl. again, i'm talking about avatars. anyone can hide . yes, a guy can introduce himself as a girl to a guy and the nickname that is indicated is not the fact that he corresponds to a physical person in general that exists. eh, basically generally. this may be a child, a conversation began, a communication began, let's call it so, the girl is making a guy with vladimir an oil refinery. she says she saw this today. the line on tv is a cool link and i send this link ahead of the link and order tickets, he is already euphoric, if everything is already generally harmless, everything is beautiful. everything is fine. all communication is romance theater. yes it would seem that everything goes perfectly by the link, without thinking about anything it gets to certain resources, malicious ones get access to it either from the rbs in the remote banking system, or to anyone through mobile banking, in addition to the funds that are stored in his current account, they also take loans on his behalf.

so. it's just a sword of this time young people are becoming more and more many of them do not apply, because, well, it's just ashamed and beats on male pride, there are girls who are also caught. uh, unfortunately, until now, some military man has finished his service, earned a lot of money and transferred the area to belarus yes and that's just longer today all this continues to have. the place to be, therefore, the form of fraud is constantly changing as soon as we agreed on what it is, there is no need to do such a form. that's it, it's all changed, the composition is absolutely new, only the picture is new, but the person also deduces this way again. here it is, it's okay, we keep up with them in improving ourselves and punish those who directly offend our people. and we

talked at the beginning of the program about what works very seriously, probably psychologists, who find the very buttons that you need to press so that a person opens up and gives away his money, and you said before starting the program that there is a whole special algorithm. this is true, that is, they work. not just on a whim. yes, this is so, again, i repeat, not about everything. we can’t talk about everything, because a number of operational and technical measures are ongoing. yes, a whole network has been built. so we call the whole classes of training. uh, levels of uh, trained specialists, very it is quite difficult to talk with a person to see eye to eye and persuade him to certain actions to a certain model of behavior, but by voice, by voice timbre, by personal personal information. if i tell you about something that happened in your life, and i will find out from open sources in this network from you. it will cause some doubt. eh, what am i, uh, trying to cause you

some harm or inconvenience. first of all, i begin to win you over quietly, i lead you to certain things. uh, what a psychologist and 100%, uh, again very strong and tight. we communicate and interact with them for various reasons and expose we establish, therefore we even tried to offer our services on the territory of the republic of belarus to the official people. by the way, yes, i almost managed to get a job with them to help them sit down, as they say, yes, but we discussed our moments, again, i can’t say everything, certified psychologists train. e, how to speak with what voice? what information to say that you did not have a moment and doubt with you speaks in a pretty voice. the girl switches you to specialists. this is already being said by men, but there were no moments at all that you will be transferred to the head of the department or security department of the bank or

some metropolitan police department who will say in such a masculine, uh, serious voice to do this, there will be such questions, that is, people are recruited by age different timbre of voice different manner of conducting a conversation presentation of information all different. and then, as they themselves say, there are fences - these are complex questions that e sweat or another can ask a potential victim and already an algorithm of answers. what to do in such a way that anyway you tend to uh, one or another action that they need and when the question arises, a person says, i will not do certain timbres, a certain voice, certain words. but it can be studied rudely a command is given to a person and everything is turned off, and he performs. this is the most interesting thing, that recently even here according to these records, which were received by our operatives. yes, andrey vasilievich was provided. i want to tell you that there quite a lot of rudeness prevails, including literally this morning. uh, one of

my colleagues comes and tells this to my mother-in-law, says they called the home phone and said, it means your daughter got into an accident and so that she does not become the culprit and a criminal case is not initiated against her. do you need, uh, to provide funds there in the amount of such and such such and such? she says, what are you saying? yes, he says? right now we are handing the woman’s phone to our daughter, she’s just beating in hysterics, mommy, dear. i am hit. help me bad teeth knocked out there, i do not know, barely talking lip. i'm to blame. i knocked down a man there, please, he says, tell me, he says, i am now in the hospital, as a competent woman, she has already been clearly instructed. how to behave in such a situation, because it is clear now the media is talking. yes, we are talking first. no one canceled word of mouth to agree at home. she says yes, my poor thing. well , what can he say, get well soon and

hung up, there are more such examples, and about rudeness why they say, because her friend tells the situation too, that the phone rang, she picked up the phone, a similar situation. your son was in a car accident. i'm talking about the water protector and so on and so forth. and she listened, listened , listened and said, listen, well, how long can you call and breed our belarusians ? they start them already on the sly breed. and it starts to cause some aggression. absolutely right. that is, we are already starting to be a little psychologists, but unfortunately, they do not come to us to relax. yes , i'm not going to, because our main goal, of course, as police officers. and c to prevent and most importantly, to protect and disclose those crimes that are

harmful to health, including financial harm to our citizens. at the moment , the place continues to this day continues, uh, this fraud associated with alema takes place. if you remember that on your air, my colleague from the main criminal investigation department and i raised this topic about ale's mother. uh, the first calls appeared in the month of march at the moment. at the moment. we have a clear decline in concrete dynamics, but nevertheless, they still have a place to be the peak. i looked, yes, according to the diagram that fell on the month of may, that is, the largest number of people were deceived in the month of may, then it already began to equalize a little. now less and less less less less less less less situation. reminds me of a load of cat and mouse. yes, they will come up with new scenarios. you figure out how to crack them. as far as a special division. without cybercrime, we are now equipped with everything i need, i don’t know technically, probably, first of all, with personnel in order to play this

game ahead of the curve, this process is definitely permanent. there are certain software hardware complexes. some of the most advanced and better not only our countries, which are used by our colleagues around the world training. e personnel. we we are constantly engaged, because as soon as we are somewhere, uh, we begin to rely on our laurels, we will lose merits. e, as they say, operational experience, therefore, self-education is constantly developing, constantly and unconditionally interacting with our closest colleagues , primarily the cis countries, regardless of the situation that is taking place, political and economic, we still interact with law enforcement agencies of other states once in an interview with the deputy minister. the ministry of internal affairs said that following the example of our country, and they are building in other countries systems. and such secret developments. if you can talk about them, we have something to share with our fellow neighbors. first

of all. it's the lessons learned, it's the tactics and techniques for detecting disclosure, because you need to understand that any cybercrime is any kind of fraud through the network. it is very latent. many people do not declare that there is a crime in a relationship and call. e, as they say, they didn’t divorce them, they didn’t bring them to the model of behavior, they didn’t call they didn’t report. well, some people don't think it matters. which may not be necessary, someone, on the contrary, calls and says that i am transmitting such and such information for information. today you need to understand that any crime any person, as i said, if the network is not, then it is not. yes, any crime, it leaves its digital traces, which are unconditional. it is not the first year that we have been accumulating, successfully analyzing and not dividing, therefore, first of all, what the deputy minister was talking about. this is an exchange of operational information, not cree. this is an exchange of digital footprints and their analytics, because once again i say any

crime leaves its consequences anonymous in the network. any two-step protection is everything. a myth is a myth, because the internet remembers everything is correct. we have always said so, he says, remember the internet. remember, everything, even if you later deleted it, as it seemed to you, anyway, this photo is a video , you can repost it. someone has something left, everything can be restored bit by bit quite difficult, almost impossible for many who want to serve in the cybertroops, but the point is that if we ourselves conduct an analysis of the current year and last year. we have increased the number of people who want to serve . and this is wonderful. why because the main task of the police is to protect our citizens. as our head of the department says, prevention is better with prevention than later. sleep, so here to our dear viewers. we must remember that if suddenly something

happens, and no one is insured. you will be scammed by phone scammers. yes, either there is a scammer on the network, or god forbid something some other crime, there is always a phone number 102 in any situation to dial and not via viber, the most important thing is, the faster you call, the faster you report, the more likely you are to find the person who offended you or caused you some kind of pain, so remember that the police are always there. thank you very much for a very informative conversation. i hope that it will help many to protect themselves on the eve of the new year holidays. thank you