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the chairman of the belarusian society of knowledge of our organization is 75 years old and probably that's why i invited here to the studio what we are going to talk about is difficult to say, because the questions say, do not be silent. always unpredictable, perhaps the answers too. hello on the air program tell, do not be silent in the studio victoria popova and tatyana shcherbina and vadim giikin is our guest today, good afternoon. hello, the country has been widely celebrating the 75th anniversary of the knowledge society that you lead, and tatiana has prepared a little background on the history of the issue, for example, in the eightieth year there were

5,923 in the republic. the primary organization of the knowledge society, which united 114,000 scientists , university teachers, cultural figures, senior officials of state and public organizations , failed since the ninety-first year. and here you are lifting like an icebreaker rake these snowdrifts, knowledge begins with critical thinking, i will immediately criticize you. this is not a reference. you have prepared taken from our site, which indicates a good job. by the way, this was written back at the house of his parish, so i can’t say that it was a total failure. and president alexander lukashenko, who himself was a lecturer in the past, a very successful lecturer, by the way, was the executive secretary of the shklov regional social science organization. he's from the nineties. e raised the question of the need to revive this work and in in 2007, a presidential decree was signed,

which gave the status of a state public association of the belarusian knowledge society. well, unfortunately, not all, but the points of this decree. uh, they were properly implemented, to be honest, and last year another presidential decree was signed. where our main tasks are more clearly spelled out, we have now gone, if the following way is very often according to the scheme when some kind of public organization, a party is created in our country and such a process begins, the charter program is the structure of the primary organization and naturally. that's all fades away or becomes overgrown with such a fleur, as you know, a little bit so nomenclature, we went a different way, we immediately began to look for forms of work. and so, i think, the country celebrated the anniversary of the knowledge society not so much. i don’t know how many actions that took place over the last year i saw.

have people always been aware that this is social science? we didn't go straight with the flag. and this knowledge is we, this is we, look. this is not a union. this is not white russia, we are not. for us. the most important thing is to implement these forms and offer to our partner organizations. and we are very happy. that they willingly accept, uh, these are our developments. this is white russia, the same belarusian republican youth union, and these actions, but of course we are proud that this year it appeared in the regime of truth, and belarus 1 and the roads of courage and fortitude, and now, together with belarus, uh, appeared with us 17 facets of unity. i can list further and it is social science that has become. well, that platform matrix was the basis for when there was a discussion of changes to the additional systems in another way, then what is your goal after all? uh, our goal is to convey,

first of all, knowledge to uh, our people to be a means of communication between the authorities and citizens between scientists and people who may be interested in science. here we have a very cool project. it ended with the school year, but now we want to. with parents supporting the academy of sciences, the format called science is available. we took our young bright promising scientist. and, by the way, some after that became correspondent members there academies of science, they say that thanks to us, but, nevertheless, i state. just this fact and they took a russian scientist here helped us a lot. kurchatov center came. here are the guys, um, talented and promising, and we suggested, uh, minsk schoolchildren, that they come and discuss, imagine a scientist speaking in russian belarusian. i don’t understand this physics so much, they say, it seems to me, complex things, but it seems that when 100-200 schoolchildren are available and sit there. i think how the

guys will react and when the hand is raised an eleventh grader and says, let you write the formula there. here, in my opinion, there is something wrong with him, a young doctor or a young candidate. science explaining this is its position, and i understand that we are working. not in vain when guys. but after these meetings, they do not disperse for a long time, they communicate on the sidelines, this is what we are working for, answering your questions of the company. a large expert media forum was held right next to us. let's see how the program responded to him, the main broadcast in the studio at makayomko 9 became a landmark forum with a look at sharp hot topics were shared by experts from different spheres of our life, political scientists, economists, people , state social activists, as well as journalists who do not hesitate to express their opinions loudly and defend their civil position; all these are real patriots, many generations of whom have grown up over the history of the knowledge society. these days, he is

75 years old, an honorable anniversary with actions and projects of the society. all these years proves the knowledge of the force has been very many experts and completely recognizable faces. you will nurture the young, when new lecturers appear, the young were such a literary association. yes, you need to strive for everything new. but this galaxy of experts and journalists appeared quite recently, but let's be direct. i can name any surname, and in donin dermant shpakovsky yes, even gigin. i think for many 3-4-5 years ago they were very well known. well , someone knew knew the specialists had time for the last two years. i think you are wrong. i will now explain why and prove it in fact . here we have the entire expert community, which has opened up in a new way since 2020. the twentieth year is really a turning point and the tasks of this teleraphone of an expert media form, which was to arrange such a review of our new

galaxy of journalists, who, like you, by the way, can already be moderators of heated discussions, something that our media did not until the twentieth year was. look, i did a talk show by myself. i 'll tell you straight up that i did. gently so with misunderstanding when we raised certain sensitive topics, although we managed to talk a lot after the twentieth year. we speak openly right we have changed. even the tone of communication with our audience and journalists can conduct such discussions and show themselves as such and our experts why they are so in demand in foreign media, not only in russian, because we speak this e language we are, if you like, using such a term in this global analytical discourse. yes, we do not fall out, we and people, therefore, they trust us and we wanted to arrange just such a review to show our strengths. they are big. this is our great achievement to replace it is necessary to appreciate these our achievements,

as far as the young are concerned. well, there they were. take our same youth parliament, and there was also the first secretary of the belarusian republican youth union. i see how their guys grow up, and they communicate with them and their peers look at them and the older generation, but why didn’t they have time to flicker, because we work with the orders of the enterprise. districts at the place of residence order either a topic or electro and most often a lecturer and they say, specifically, let this one or another come. and this is what it says, what people are waiting for, they trust them, and it’s not about some kind of flashing, and they don’t really flash speeches either of authority, and authority is taken from charisma, charm, possession of arguments with facts and the ability to conduct a

discussion for a year or two or three. this is not being developed here, there should be experience, and we have such personnel. well, i'm ready to agree with you that they appeared for our general surprise of our group. here alexey timan on youtube collected thousands of 50,000 views there, which was unexpected, it seemed to us, what? well, he has spoken since the twentieth year, that is there really is an audience that wants to listen and hear. yes, the speakers of this certainly. listen. well, why do we have to reinvent the wheel here, uh, we can take the russian example, we can take the western example. i watch a lot. uh their analytical programs. uh, and i want to tell you that and what is there, right there, just like that, at the click of a button, they launch some new experts, important authority. important trust is the same later, well, there are many different attitudes to his ideology, but nonetheless. this is a man who has specially brought such a example, and did not take, there solovyov skabeev of someone else of our colleagues respected by me. well,

from another slightly camp. yes, late, because he appeared quite late. he became famous when he was over 50. i remember these telemasts well. now he is well over 80, but he has his own audience. and what about channel one, where he performed there now? yes, he's talking about let's go. that's it let's replace it, shoot it, and the audience will be the same alexei german whom you called to have your own audience. e. who is he, yes in a certain sense of the guru and therefore gaining such a number of views. are you satisfied with how this tv review went, what did you call it? and i am always dissatisfied, uh, to a large extent with the actions that we are doing and what i personally did, what u were instilled in me, my teachers are science. and any uh, well, any activity begins with criticism. you must always critically analyze what you are doing. and even here our

interviews will be held with you. i'll say wow how cool. we've talked here. well, it's probably a road to nowhere. but if i understand where something i am misspoke or e somehow put on the wrong jacket, for example, yes, then, well, then you will act better and here i see certain shortcomings, but let them remain part of our internal professional it is interesting to hear your opinion on this matter. it will become regular. these are, i think, in general. in what mode to sum up the year from my point of view? this is a very good idea, look. here's how we had an interesting published on december 27, we discussed the constitution in different districts at enterprises thousands of meetings were held. there was great trust in the state, namely our state public association , experts worked as one team, with the same executive committees with ideologists with public organizations, just activists. and in the course of this, we thought,

let's, let's, let's do it in the sports palace. here they thought that this was a rally concept. here is a forum of some kind in the truth mode and we will simply demonstrate there, in what ways we can communicate. here is a classic lecture by ted presentation. here speech by general karpenkov. i don't even know what to call it, because there was a combination of different forms. the main thing there was the sincerity of something new musical forms of reports. 3 hours passed in the same breath, i agree six months have passed. uh, we were involved in the development. well, i won’t draw here either our event was, but we participated in the development. this is our story, which has already taken place at the minsk arena, and on september 17 and there we saw how our story can be told in an exciting and interesting way some more time and we spent this telethon. that is, we are constantly searching for these forms uh, but here uh, the search itself and the

forms themselves should not replace the content. still, people trust, uh, a specific person, and people trust that you say these forms - do you invent it yourself or is it a tracing paper. uh, let's say from some kind of western events. i would not say that we have something here . uh, even here, if you call straight karika yes, of course, we are watching in truth mode, we watched how it goes some kind of election rallies, but you understood, well, just take it, firstly. it's not the election campaign, it's the constitution we looked at, uh, and um. as a result, hmm, they did something of their own, it seems to me, but it didn’t agree that it looked like some kind of such a rally, yes, and in russia i don’t really have such forms . i saw interesting social science developing in them in parallel with ours, no one agreed i copied it, but even there , uh, putin felt the need for such work, and this happened with us. i was at events, russian social studies and in regions, by the way, speaking there was and

everything is a little different there, there is no rejection from the fact that social science is associated with those soviet times, but this break played when it was not there. now, if it were already tired, yes, but this didn’t happen, there’s no such thing, you know, maybe there was a failure, as you say, but there is no negative story, there is no negative story. well, in soviet times there were also memes. let's remember the images, and i can relate absolutely with humor. and this is the famous carnival night lecturer are you life on mars? life on mars it was in penkovo ​​and there was a parody of rostotsky, uh, so the director of this film conceived. uh, vyacheslav tikhonov performs in dreams and dreams, yes, and so on. but what does this say, what is it? the same fifties, the society in the forty-seventh was created in a matter of some short time, the lecturers became so recognizable as such a familiar part of soviet life that one could laugh. why not? strictly speaking, there is in the same and satify 3 years.

they are so tired that they think that we are talking about fatigue, by the way, and in other films. here. uh, as it was called, don't give a complaint book. e, where does it mean spreading e, plyat plays e such says, i go to tour along the line, the society of knowledge. yes, but this is a satire on lecturers who do not know how to work incorrectly, work formally fits like in any other, we can remember the same spherical images, even teachers. i'm not talking about the manager's business executives there. take the wick, there are, uh, satirical images in many professions, because they won’t say that all these professions were insolvent, no, there were excellent lecturers. let's remember who stood at the foundations of the society, academician vavilov the poet. simonov ballerina. ulanova i do n't meet anyone here. everyone

knows the warmest memories of society, but you have already noticed that those who are with you, uh, are working under this cap of social science, they are not formally ready to approach. that is, if enthusiasm among your colleagues, people are different, there is a person who is a very good professional, but who is in force. there i do not know my psychosomatics warehouse. he can't just go out and light it up. and why should this be done? sometimes there should be an accessible conversation, there you go out in this style of presentation in sneakers, there you speak with a microphone, i have five positions for you, they are displayed on the screen. and we, uh, here. uh, even he came up with the example of the president met with alexander dugin. yes, and after that there was such a topic. but we also have our own deep thinkers, on the eve of this telethon, we held another marathon, whether or not, on the basis of the academy management. we will continue it for the week took place 4 years of lectures. this is the theme of the history of historical memory vyacheslav danilovich read it. this is democracy, democracy,

modern political systems. andrey savinykh national idea oleg e, romanov and economic problems. valery belsky is all very uh, competent knowledgeable people who have been developing for a long time. these are the topics and there was such a serious, profound lecture . we are grateful for this at the academy of management, and we will continue this conversation, that is, there may be different approaches. we are now well, not that we are looking for ourselves. we offer the society. uh, different format of this conversation. it may be, uh, with elements of even humor and is waiting for you here next year. uh, quite a few surprises it can be the application of musical forms. i can take here you, as leaders, for example, we will go out. here with such format. but even now we can come up with a conversation. we travel with you to any area. here, we were recently in lyakhovichi. let's say. yes. and you, we take

your five favorite experts. you sit down and do a blitz for 10-15 minutes with each of these experts. i'm sure it will be exciting for the audience. but this is a completely different form of conveying information than just a person will come and an idiologist will come out and introduce him. uh, a man will come out to the microphone to the podium , read and leave. yes, but no one says that this form is also, but it is exclusive. yes, and how often does it happen when these questions are, well, so to speak, sharply raised, or always on a woolly chapter, there are questions prepared, because how, well, let's say. so not everything. we are smooth. here in this mass work, when we accepts the region. i am sympathetic to this, these are the organizers. they think, well, it’s necessary there, like the hall, it will accept, and suddenly someone will be ashamed of the question is always very difficult. by the way, the first question to ask when we see well at least. so i see that there is some kind of hesitation, you need to

go to the hall yourself. and within the framework of belarus, we are united, we worked out these forms. they came expecting us to tell them something. and maybe there will be a question. and when we go out, let's say that there are representatives of political parties here, what kind of public associations come out here, we work with them for them it's unexpected, but it's hmm a but the audience is moving the audience is starting to perceive it yes. so why do i sometimes sharpen your questions, there are questions prepared. well, as we call them local ideologists. uh, responsible people write and say, well, you ask a question. yes, but we immediately see, this is a prepared question. there is a very good medicine to start working with, with which a person asks a question with the person who has prepared this question. this is very interesting. believe me. well respectfully. not put him in a bad light. yes , respectfully, working with him. and then the audience understands that you are not blinkered. you didn’t come to perform according to some plan. and you are ready for an open conversation about

sensitive issues. of course there is, but within the framework, belarus is one - this is remembered in terms of minsk , grodno. well, i can give other examples , but there was such a wide conversation this year we focused on the problems of historical memory. well, there were just critical questions and causing define. discussions that did not concern the historical memory of the work, for example, housing and communal services, that's all. it sounded. understand when you sit and talk. you came for historical memory. it turns out that a man says, but we have roads that are badly cleaned there, specifically in our yard. you won't say. you know you don't ask me not my questions, sit down, no you have to respond. eh, pay attention to suggest where a person should turn. he came to you, as you were brought to some famous person. yes, let's do it call. yes, and you should keep this brand, but recently igor rozolyak and i presented our new textbook on the history of belarusian statehood. and here he

will give a specific example of a student audience has become a student said, well, okay. this is a textbook. isn't this an element of some kind of propaganda said, well, obviously, to eat us in some way. no, we said, but, firstly, not everything is bad in the word of propaganda, because any textbook. what is this propaganda ? aniya is propaganda of a certain state position, what's wrong with that, but we included this student in the dialogue so that he does not leave with feeling. it's such a disappointment that people should walk away from meetings like this feeling like, well, it was great. we learned something new, we saw an interesting person. we talked. this is the most important thing enriched such. i always learn during a meeting with an audience and try to emphasize this in my warehouse, probably, here i am remembering how i studied at school like that. well, a shy person. generally. yes, and this is the case. uh, when you are like yesenin

wrote, he was taught by dididius to swim, taken out to the middle of the river and thrown overboard, and you have to somehow get out there. well, according to this principle, we are acting, if you have already chosen this path, then it will be good for me to correspond to it. and when i see each such meeting is fraught with some new tests, to which you must somehow react. hmm and then, of course, you grow up and professionally like what you do ? say a lot of things you do, therefore, in a society of knowledge. yes, i like it. i am very dissatisfied with what happened do from my point of view. during this year , much more could be done, you can look for different excuses. why wasn't this done? but at the same time, uh, i'll say straight out that this period is especially special. e work with amended additions to the constitution from preparation. here, especially on

this one on this one. it's already in the final stage. uh autumn, when led the society on september 3 , december 27, the constitution was published then we explained began uh, the referendum. e. well, this is one of the happiest periods of my life, because it was very high. dynamics was active communication with people. you have seen many in a new way. uh, you already have familiar experts, and there was state support, which is important, are you disingenuous? when you say that you were thrown into the water and you are just learning to swim, because we throw it out as a crawl and in every possible way, it seems to me that you know how i never because i learned to swim myself and swim more or less well. brass only. i would call you the producer of the new producer of the new lecturers, but we will take a short break, i remind you, we have tell the telegram channel, i'm not silent, subscribe, ask questions and

suggest guests. we are in touch today, our guest is the chairman of the board of the belarusian society of knowledge, inimitable. gigien vadim frantsevich uh, the recent meeting of the presidents of belarus russia became, perhaps, the most important topic in the media space, and uh, not only during the negotiations and after yes, but also before them and constantly uh, there were such stuffing abroad about that putin is going to put pressure on lukashenka that russia will absorb belarus what the west expected from this meeting, which i was afraid of, i am sure that the presidents , deliberately after the announcement of this meeting, made such a pause in order to provoke somewhere and our former partners to such a reaction. eh, the west is enough. well, the real people who

make decisions there seem to understand the situation in russian-belarusian relations. and this company is deployed, and it was an element of informational propaganda pressure on their own public opinion for escalation and on our and russian society public opinion, that is, they are all the same are watching. how can society be rocked and these fake stuffing they work for it , but at the same time, uh, this information company was completely won because the way they just haired with all their statements of expectations did not get anywhere at all. uh, yes, it was probably part of some kind of propaganda strike, but it came all the way. here i passed by. yes, uh the presidents have done their job and it's just pathetic to watch. like these analysts. well , especially those whom you and i know from our fugitives, all these uh commentators. we have like them, but quarreled among themselves, but these

are so google. it seems to me a quarrel, but nevertheless it has been going on for several days this is a discussion. they know, here is the talk about when putin is crushing. how do they imagine it ? here is technologically. here's what it looks like? yes? i mean, he's coming. so what? threatening blackmail nonsense. you know, they have an atmosphere of communication, those people communicate with each other so often. no, our presidents. so often these two people communicate with each other. what, well, this is not from that opera, in principle conversation that someone is pressing on someone. he has two messages, two narratives, one crushes the second lukashenka and deceives putin yes, and this, and that is not so, two presidents. they clearly understand. what common interests unite us and what common threats do we face, after all, this desire. here they are now declaring that we belarus are allegedly looking for some ways of

negotiations with the west, distancing from russia, but we do not see this not from the statements of the president of belarus, not from real steps. from their side. everything is exactly the opposite, they they constantly talk about some kind of negotiations, they constantly talk. at some chance for belarus, in case of distancing from russia , listen to whom you want to deceive. well, i want all the forecasts to them, they are paid and their forecasts. these are the ones that never fall into a puddle. as you say, wait, these are not predictions. it is necessary to understand this part. this is not an assumption. it's part of the psychological pressure. they say e clearly, that is, it's all nonsense. listen, look, they assume that the belarusian officials. diplomats also watch them. they talk about it directly, and they try to influence them. and all of a sudden, something pops up. well, for example, let's take there such an organization called the belarusian project chat chaos, which regularly issues some kind of opinion polls. i think all sociologists.

you know that this is a fake, it's a fake, but what is this fake for, so that this pseudo-sociology can influence real public opinion, influence real focus groups. it's imaginary. here someone will look, and suddenly think about something. and this may be it is forbidden. this factor cannot be underestimated, they work very competently, another thing is that all these commentators are for the customer. it’s just an exchange of material, but an expert or a journalist screwed them up there, but then he will somehow explain it, but they know the psychology of the factor working there a week has passed and everything was forgotten, which means he reappears. let's just remember that exactly all of them in august of the twentieth year. they said the regime is doomed to everything, well, if not in august, then that's for sure in september , not in september, then in october. so what's new such a year, well, by the new year, yes, and in the spring the second wave. look at the history of polish gifts. and where are they now, here

is the answer to the question about the level of their analyticity, and, uh, to talk about relationships. uh, alexander lukashenko and vladimir putin to characterize them with these categories, just like they do, no, in general. well, this is generally not a hit, not from there at all. what, well, what are we to talk about this putin and lukashenko are, uh, the real leaders of their countries, each of them, uh, ache with the soul of the heart for their country, the well-being of the people for development states. we remember putin's famous phrase. why do we need such a world if there is no russia in it and i will remind our viewers of the story of alexander lukashenko in a conversation with the president of kazakhstan i had an interesting conversation with the president of kazakhstan yesterday, he is a former diplomat, a very smart person who knows a sea of ​​​​languages. i always appreciate his advice and even support and he came up to me a

lot now talking about the sovereignty of independence, who is right? who's guilty? whoever attacks whom, he defends very interest. he came up to me and said alexander you know, i remember one of your performances. sorry for the indiscretion. very wise. i say, what is the wisdom? what is the thesis? i put it up there. and he says you said it very simply. we got to where ukraine is, where russia is, these belarus were such states as belarusians are not, and then he says, you said such a phrase. well, well, well, there was no belarus at some time, but now it is and this must be reckoned with. hello promotion. this is our history until september 17 in the west, but we are already for a long time and we often talk about this, that the leaders are all puppets in fact, having a leader, the shadow government is

controlled. as a matter of fact, by the western world, what should happen in order for, uh, and in the west, uh, real leaders to appear. well, firstly, there are different puppets , they have enough talents. i'm not a supporter of this style of conversation, which we have and in russia everything was crushed there. well, they grinded, they grinded, but so far they are operating quite successfully for themselves and their some goals and objectives happen and are actually achieved, therefore. you can not underestimate them, but at the same time even in this manipulative democracy, and the whole system of political structure after the second world war. this is a manipulative democracy, based primarily on the analysis of the most powerful social explosion that was associated with the october revolution of the seventeenth year, that is, a lot. and what was being done back in the west was an attempt to prevent their bolsheviks from coming to power, by the way, in this context and

hitler's regime. this was also the answer. so they tried, and so we realized that hitlerism is dearer to itself. he's getting out of control, and he's frozen in thought, as a weapon against the soviet union, as an anti-soviet tool. then they began to use this soft manipulative democracy, this is totalitarianism , they invented a bunch of things, and in general quite successfully, but even in this situation even its docked germany and germany is a docked country, and in those years von willebrandt appears in west germany to an even greater extent an interesting chancellor who is also getting out of control, so he is quickly removed there, there is a spy scandal, and so on, weak with undermined even incomparable self-confidence in france’s own greatness, suddenly, uh, gives rise to a deguly. well, not suddenly he has been since those times, but nevertheless a fugitive. these bright

charismatic leader yes, you damn our enemy. well, she appears. memoirs have been preserved and what we see, and she was not subject to these oligarchic groups, therefore, seeing the inevitability, but for her own interests. this one tocherist politics of such rigid neo-conservatism, especially in the field of economics, which she pursued in the interests of large corporations, but on a number of issues. she went against them a bright character or meteoraan. well, so you call it gone again. but the system was according to and what has changed a lot in this system? what has changed in the system of the fifth republic, that since the days of holism and now the macron has appeared now, such a time, a bet was certainly made. uh, on such ephemera, and these representatives, they are not born with the liberalism of political correctness. here, not nothing else could be born, but there will certainly be time for new leaders. see. now

angela merkel's presence is almost up to some kind of classic. well, listen to her statement about the true goals during the minsk negotiations, if anything, she is a political pygmy for days. she was simply chancellor for a long time, because it was profitable, because the germans and german business were afraid of the crisis of the eighth year. and this is a merkil, very technocratic, very angular, which clearly chewed the goals of its policy of real politics german business. she was profitable, after all, she did not fulfill a single of her promises from the program with which she went to the polls, almost the entire task of merkel was to provide. uh, comfortable convenient stagnation of german society all these years, and as a result, uh, scholz was born. here he came. this is mediocrity. it was a product of the era of measurements. well, here it is, but still. here you are protecting these westerners. eh, i'm not defending them.

i am trying to explain the trend. we must look at events as a process, they are simply state what is happening in a given period of time. yes, there is macron, yes, and scholz. uh, yes, there are some other friends, but there is kachinsky, there is an orban, there is a serdokan. this is also well, turkey is not quite europe yes, there is, in the end, he is still alive while i take luscons from johnson, what was he gray and uninteresting. well, look he was gone. yes, he was not only a shaggy man who was prone to an extraordinary act and therefore he was removed, therefore he was our opponent, but he did not suit the representatives of that deep state too independent, but trump take it, that this is an outstanding leader and there are enough of them among the governors who govern them. you probably don't hear me. i say deep state, as soon as you go against it, you are out no

matter what politics you go through. and this is a very serious test. after all. let's see how the career of the same degulia de gaulle ended, the father of the nation, the savior , the liberator of france, the sixty-eighth year of the may events, and a year later he leaves power. yes, and he is lost in these circumstances that she actually became a victim within the party conspiracy, because she became too independent. she began to pursue a too independent policy, but these examples are none of these leaders managed to break theirs. on the state, by the way, erdogan managed to do this. this does not mean that erdogan completely controls turkey. but this mechanism, which has been reproducing itself for decades, starting with mustafa kemal, atatürk, under which there was a deep state. and i had to see him, how it is like these mechanisms look like going on. this is spike's ideological elite, writers are journalists, and politicians are business. elites. those who own large capitals in turkey are

army. uh, this group they were. they controlled the real cowards. who is the president who is the prime minister, this played a role, because they could arrange coups, give a military manifesto and simply manipulate politicians, and erdogan managed to reverse this situation. how will this end for erdogan, the process continues. let's think it over, take a little break. let's break. after that, we will return to this studio again. subscribe to our telegram channel , say, do not be silent, and look for all our releases on the youtube channel of belarus alone. the mask of successful success what it is, and here he attracted two on a cow and so three more from top to bottom each of us plays different roles

during our lives. and here's what to do for those whose contribution at close range does not notice the rewards. this desire to move forward is the reward of this story. it's your life that didn't pass me by , let's say so, and you know it, and for me it's very important when you are young. you think what titles you don't need. you see, this is nonsense. this was invented, see in the program the concept of without time on the tv channel belarus 24. why should they not respond to not serious confirmations? do you agree with what is not proven, let's say that if we do not see something, this does not mean that it does not exist. what is a new value, and why they are being imposed on us by a strong enemy is not beneficial, thinking too or this is another

, we will collect evidence, consider different versions and show contradictions in the project - this other. watch in new releases on tv channel belarus 24. on the air say again, don't be silent, and the chairman of the belarusian society of knowledge is our guest. vadim frantsevich, kikin in one frantsevich. here are literally on the eve of the new year deputies. in the first reading, the draft law on the all belarusian people's assembly was adopted. uh, already after the new year, the second reading is planned, so alexander lukashenko, uh, comes up with mechanisms. e preservation of statehood. yes , that's the system that was created by the system that was created throughout. that's all letov, how well, is in power. uh, in order to, uh, that's it with the help of the entire

belarusian people's assembly and escape some probable words uh, the companions are ready to take on such a responsibility. well, sooner or later, alexander grigoryevich will step down from power. and it's, uh, a colossal burden. this is such a scope of work that not everyone will pull. that is, if the successors want to ask the president, in fact, the time has not come for this. we see that here we were talking about public inquiries about objective laws of the historical process and present conditions. uh, they dictate that alexander lukashenko remains and will remain our leader. this is an important question, but what distinguishes a statesman alexander lukashenko is certainly a statesman is just a politician, you know , recently we had a dispute that lukashenka is the only politician. if more politicians his opponents liked to argue among themselves, while

they argued which of them was a politician. uh, lukashenka simply outstripped them there by a whole distance, that is, this is a state activity, and the statesman thinks about what will happen next and the point is not , again, how petty all sorts of comments. and he says, who he sees, you understand this, well, the conversation between the president and the people is not of that level, the request for the entire belarusian people's assembly is underway, otherwise the society of the people accepted the assembly as a form of popular representation. and so the president together with the people as a result. uh, these constitutional reforms create a platform base to ensure continuity. see how uh laws rollis and decrees are adopted; decrees on the role of the security council; constitutional reform ; by the way,

at the time of the referendum, not all supporters of alexander lukashenko agreed. many people say, why are we limiting presidential power? we fought for a strong president in 1920. there was such a moment in the referendum that we had paradoxical erdoxical episodes. when the chronicles of alexander lukashenko fought er, for ours for our republic in in the twentieth year, some of them voted against, because there was a limitation of presidential power. and those who took to the streets voted for the constitution because for them it was some kind of psychologically convenient explanation. uh, as if , uh, this is his political defeat, but still, we are adopting a new constitution , after all, presidential power is limited. here you can turn the page and continue to live normally in the belarusian society. and in this regard, the constitutional referendum played a very important role, and we have yet to evaluate in history, so the president creates a legal political base,

an appropriate atmosphere. in order to ensure the painless continuity of our political system , so that our model of statehood reproduces e. yes, and in the future, including yes, after lukashenka and if such a base is created, then there will be circumstances and, probably, people who will be ready, and to intercept this banner, but once again i emphasize the current historical stage dictates to us that alexander lukashenko will remain. uh, the leader of belarus, but it seems to me that there is still such a universal request that directly supports everything and our opponents. and we are a request for sovereignty. yes, this is the one here. the main thing is today. what do you think , vladimir franchko, everyone agrees with this, which is the only thing. here, let's not put an equal sign between us and opponents. yes, from the

mahors all these are not here, they have such a word plyavuzgayut. that's how they blurred these concepts. they scream all the time. we are for independence we are for sovereignty lukashenka surrenders, and we see that under lukashenka the real sovereignty. listen, what sovereignty are they talking about? these people who proclaim this, working for foreign money on the order and under the protection of foreign special services, who reproduce in the status of heroes mercenaries fighting under the banner of the kiev regime, people who set the goal of joining the european union to join nato where there is no sovereignty, where it is completely limited. we see what is happening, what the president of poland knows. how many soldiers of other states pass through it territory to support zelensky there. he knows what weapons are placed in that and so on. no, of course not, these people. uh, here they are worried about

the independence of sovereignty. they understand him only as an element of russophobia. they believe in it, they can't believe it. i'm not saying that they're just not there for the money, but they do not fulfill the order of the people. and those who place an order with them. and alexander lukashenko, along with all the people, has a completely different understanding of the people , the president, uh, has gone through a certain evolution. we did not want the collapse of the soviet union belarusians did not fight for secession from the soviet union on the contrary and in a referendum in the ninety-first year we voted for the preservation of a single country, but i remember well my consciousness of a fourteen-year-old teenager at that time. i recognized myself as a belarusian. i understood that i have my own belarusian soviet socialist republic and we are part of the great powerful soviet union, and this was the case for most people, that is, there

was this understanding of a certain belarusian sovereignty, as part of a large countries, and then this request was realized in what was one of the reasons for alexander lukashenko to come to power, we consistently pursued a course towards integration. from russia, but in the course of building a union state, we understood both the inevitability of such construction and the value of the importance of our sovereignty, the possibility of the right and the ability to decide for ourselves. how to build your country? which union to choose? eh, with whom does it mean to be friends? well, we generally want to be friends with everyone, but how to protect ourselves and this right. we have more than that, look how it is echoes the beginning of the belarusian national state idea, belarusian populists in russian universities at the end of the 19th century, 1884 manifesto. this nascent belarusian national movement is

famous for the magazine goman, what are they talking about? what are they talking about, in general, this is such a symbolic magazine, because there are representatives of different peoples, jews living in belarus, there, uh, there were also orthodox catholics among the authors of this magazine. they speak of the belarusian people for independence, but the union with the authors of this magazine say russia, and therefore, from my point of view, it is not a union state, it does not contradict belarusian sovereignty, and there the model that we are building is fundamentally different from the european union. by the way, this is the soviet union because this is a new matrix of interstate relations in the post-soviet space, as they opponents, whom you do not put on the same level with us, look into the distorting mirror of russophobia. so you, they can show you that you are looking at this union, they reproach us, what exactly? let them reproach us with the century of the ussr and

i want to ask what their idea gave to our, their people, the belarusian people's republic, which never became a state. what did they achieve under their own flag. let's just remember and compare not in words. that 's what we're fighting for. the seventeenth year the bchb flag appears. the eighteenth year bnr became a state. no, it couldn’t, it failed, it failed in the seventeenth year, a red flag appears, the seventeenth year is all a belarusian congress, which was sponsored in modern language by the soviet council of people's commissars, stalin personally creates the belarusian national commissariat, and this already has zhelunovich worms. i can continue this list. e, under the banner of soviet power, the belarusian soviet socialist republic appears and this is the belarusian state university. this is the academy of sciences - this is belarusization. these are schools. that's what soviet power is, then in the twenties and thirties of the western, belarus,

the competition of bchw flaco-red red wins unequivocally. under this knowledge , the reunification of belarus takes place forty. the first year collaborators under the bchb flag. the partisans are a symbol of belarus, even they are trying to use it fluently. eh, this image of couples. well , there's nothing about them. they are not partisans , they are the heirs of the spirit, although it may be biologically, and not the heirs of the partisans, but spiritually, ideologically, they are the followers of these bchbesh policemen, and the red banner is the partisan brigades that are part of minsk. the red banner is the banner of our victory under the red banner, belarus is included in composition e, is the founding organization of the united nations the red banner is unique belarusian political elite. mazurov masherov is an earthling. i can continue alexei stepanovich kamai. these are the people who created this legend of soviet belarus. the red banner is the dynamo minsk champion. e of the soviet union in football all bright moments that we remember the red

flag, then pesnyars are red banners. yes, tereshkova, yes, yes, they were also, by the way , this is belarusian. well, understand victoria, this is very important, and i myself, our knowledge, our knowledge is the legacy of that soviet period. and what did they do? well, tell me, but the red flag is also the twenty-second year and the threat of mobilization. do you think belarus is ready now, what does the threat mean? let 's not talk about the threat of mobilization or not a threat in such terms. let's talk specifically south of our borders are fighting . we did not want these actions. i assure you, and russia did not want russia. why did it start a special operation, and it is called that, a special military operation. it was a military demonstration. not everything worked out from the west. we managed to draw russia into these large-scale hostilities in russia are taking a hit russia does not give up, we are close to our ally, because we perfectly understand the

threat that comes from the current kiev regime. and most importantly from its owners. we are spiritually and ideologically stronger because we do not have the ukrainian culture of abolition. yes, we do not have ukraine phobias, and believe me in russia. she is not there either, in fact, but, but the president clearly formulated we will help our ally, but we are not going to send our troops somewhere, and he formed the conditions that, god forbid, only, if we are attacked, but if we analyze all these actions that are being taken in february and even earlier, and even the demonstrative actions of information and propaganda influence. the work of our air defense system, and i can continue this, they are aimed at preventing this threat of an attack on us, and this is one of the meanings of alexander lukashenko's missions in fact. i am convinced of this , our e, subscribers. uh, we asked you to

go to french for a very long time. we are glad that you responded to our invitation. honored today our studio, probably your ideas for a tv marathon, it's brilliant. we are ready to listen to you not once, not twice, not three times, but many times. so please come and good luck always nice to communicate the enlightenment of the light. good luck tatyana shcherbina victoria popova we say goodbye to you today. goodbye. goodbye. and now he speaks in one hygin, dear friends. i, of course, and our wonderful presenters of the entire belter radio company and i want to congratulate you all on the upcoming new year. well, i probably won't be too original. eh, happiness, kindness, health, e fulfillment of the plan. and most importantly, it is definitely peace. and the world must be protected, so i wish all of us victory in the new year.

live main news at noon studio olga kalairova, hello and briefly about the topics of the issue. the second day of the informal cis summit, surrounded by the art of communication between leaders in the russian museum and breakfast, with the hope of meeting soon with relatives and friends, belarusians abroad took to social networks calling for the return of examples to troy in minsk