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the program sas is authorized to declare that i, the host nadezhda sas, welcome you and remind you that this is a program for those who want to better understand the world that is happening and understand how these events are happening. people will reflect on the life of everyone and the life of the country, and today's release of the program is the final one in the cycle of the sasy program. claim in 2022 . and the main task for us is to analyze and sum up the results of the outgoing

year on december 27, 2019, the program is the director of the club. valdai timofey bardachev. he wrote relatively peaceful 2020 will be the last in the period of uncertainty in world politics. the most important players gradually take their places, in front, the roaring twenties oh, how he turned out to be right of the former era, the unipolar system of international relations has sunk into oblivion, and it is being replaced by a much more complex and less stable multipolar order. all this is accompanied by huge military-political and socio-economic upheavals and changes. which of them were the most important in 2020, the second year, we will discuss today's program. i am glad to welcome vadim gegen, who is already present in our studio. chairman of the board of the belarusian society of

knowledge, candidate of historical sciences, political scientist. hello and nikolai maratovich mezhevich, director of the center for belarusian studies of the institute of europe wounds. hello. good afternoon, apart from that. i am glad to welcome in our studio the candidate of political sciences diplomat oleg voloshin is already present . good evening. good evening, we begin our conversation with a blitz question, as they said during the pandemic. we have already reached the peak, or the worst is still ahead of the french started with a quote, mr. bardachev. i don’t quite agree with him. this is a direct analogy. with the 20th century, the roaring twentieth, then the formidable thirties came after the roaring twenties . the twenties are formidable, because they began with a pandemic. the pandemic led to prominent protests of domestic political destabilization in many countries of the world and caused a new round of the economic crisis that no one had planned, and everyone expected

that there would be a resolution. here is that old crisis that began in the eighth year in the usa and then it went well, just an unprecedented geopolitical confrontation with the hot phase of the war, and we have not reached the bottom in this regard, because there is no agreement on a new world order. and more awaits us a whole series of similar conflicts, especially since the ukrainian crisis. it is still far from being resolved, please, we have been looking for familiarity in france for more than a year, and almost every time we meet, we say that, well, the situation is extremely difficult and it will be even more difficult to speak ahead. we started this way back in the last decade, and in this sense, er, i will agree to or, conversely, pick to choose from. we have n't reached it because the current level of confrontation is not at all, uh, the peak. or vice versa, not the bottom at all. but we uh now uh

we are talking about a local conflict, and it is lakaet for the whole world. it’s not local, maybe for us it passes a thousand kilometers from the border of the republic of belarus and even more in relation to the russian federation, but i assure you, uh , two thirds of the world various kinds of complexity. well, there it is now here, yes, that is, this is not a global conflict, but from our conflict to go into a global one, in principle, even in the last conflict is much easier than in the middle east, oleg agrees whether you are with the position of experts and in your opinion the worst is yet to come, but you know, there are still living palaces from them. uh, probably a problem with the translation, but because the russian version does not accurately convey the meaning. i do not know the original term fancis, that is, it was meant in the first place. a very turbulent period. ah, the growth of the culture of

economic growth, and so on , indeed, which were observed 100 years ago, and in this sense, uh, then what is this, largely frozen, self-eating unipolar postmodern world. starts finally breaking down releases many new creative forces. and you know, the crisis is not without reason in chinese uh, if i'm not mistaken in languages, it means both opportunities and problems. and that is , it means the same hieroglyphs, that is, in fact, the roaring twenties - this does not mean that it is bad, therefore, in this sense, i just agree with mr. conflict. what did you talk about, dear colleagues. you know how they remember one phrase when you predict the end of the world, you can be right only once, because the global conflict is in fact, we would not analyze here. and it’s just that there would be no one, most likely, god, it would be to analyze it. therefore, i think that in many ways we have passed a certain peak in the sense that the great powers have shown the

inadmissibility and application of the unacceptability of those in power. at least. elite nuclear war between them. no matter what the stakes are , at the same time they are high. and this is the key , therefore, everything else, no matter how three, layers. the main thing, you believe, there will be no nuclear war. let's at least this, but a positive point. at the end of the year, for our esteemed viewers , they will really put on an international show in the outgoing year. new relationships were full of interesting and dramatic events. we will remember each of them in turn and rather an important stage in 2022, which became precisely because of the start of a new cold war between russia and the west, which turned into a rather bright aggressive confrontation, please, let's remind our viewers in detail about our story. after decades of trying russia first become part of the political west a. then, to find a formula for peaceful coexistence with him, relations between moscow and

washington fell into a tailspin, the trigger was the start of hostilities in ukraine, but all the prerequisites for confrontation were created before that, it was not by chance that the united states and their allies took unprecedented measures in their attempts. undermining the russian economy of its political isolation. such decisions are not prepared in a week by the european union, which for many decades has grown rich due to access to cheap russian energy and has acted in this time , the united states not only obediently supported the vanguard of dialogue with her, but also became the instigator of a number of the most radical places to arrest russian assets and funds of the central bank. blocking the property of wealthy russians banning russian citizens from entering a number of eu countries is being terminated. air communications break cooperation in the field of education and culture, attempts to exclude russian writers from university programs. this is not a complete list of what was resorted to in the west, even in relation to the ussr, many of these measures were not applied in russia in turn. this was regarded as a reason to

revise the european-centric view of its historical path that had existed since the time of peter the great, and at the same time, through the mass flight to the west from the adherents of such a course, russian society was largely cleansed of the conductors of western meanings in culture, journalism and business. all this will have the most far-reaching consequences. in any case, it is clear that the confrontation between russia and the west will not disappear anywhere, because it is generated by the desire to be the first to carry out its sovereign the neoliberal course in domestic foreign policy and the unwillingness of the latter to recognize the end of the era of the liberal world order. yes, vadim, when the end of the region is not visible to a major military-political crisis, a request arises that is associated with the search for appeasement, which will work and, first of all, a request for leaders. today you could name those

leaders who contributed, or at least. a thaw is possible in his relations between russia and the west. in fact, leaders are, after all, manifestations of a certain process. here again, he was supported by the debatability of our communication, because the cold war did not begin with a special military operation. it is the result of a long and ongoing chain of events, the five-day war in georgia and then the maidan in ukraine, we saw what was happening and a number of other aspects between but these important milestones , and a lot of criticism. uh, like the leaders in the west were crushed, it is both justified and not very. well, who could have predicted there in an era, adenau, no way. because a petty leader, but still what will appear a velybrandt who will hold just such a position will certainly appear. er, bright characters in western politics are almost inevitable, but the character appears as a result of some public demand

for what we see now, er, the result of negative selection over several generations. this is the result of such a notorious political correctness, which became the ideological accompaniment of the entire era of the unipolar world. in fact , political correctness, notorious - it was part of such soft totalitarianism implanted by the united states themselves, but also within the united states, this is a reflection of this neoliberal ideology gradually with the growing crisis. uh, this ideology will certainly appear and new leaders. we see during construction. say what is happening in eastern europe, we may like someone or not, but the same orban. and kaczynski is not a bright leader in poland . yes, he is our enemy, but nonetheless. so i think that not everything is as bad for europe as we sometimes talk about it, but oleg, we cannot me to talk about ukraine and i think you remember like no one else. what moods reigned in the

public space by the end of 2021, ukraine was anything and a pawn, a bargaining chip on the stage, but not a self-sufficient subject of international relations. whose fate was determined by others for him without him, and then many were convinced that if it goes on like this, then in the new year the stage has the risk of turning into a theater of military operations, and so it came out. and you know, i want to remember the words of a very famous russian policy. nobody wanted to listen to us. so listen, now, as a ukrainian politician, no one wanted to listen to you either, but for you to answer now, was it in general. in 2022, a certain backlash is a chance for peace in relations between ukraine and russia, but i think that the entire analysis of the events of the previous ones, and the beginning of hostilities,

is literally. there, the first days will merit the very deepest close analysis of the study by historians and theorists of the history of international relations, as indeed one of such key crises modernity. and how, let's say, the same caribbean crisis is sorted out in detail there on a minute-by-minute schedule, who called whom, who visited whom, but from what i know and see very well, as you can say at first approximation, and there was a chance for a peaceful settlement. even after the first tanks, roughly speaking, crossed the border and the first missiles flew, and such a calculation was obviously in moscow , but it’s another matter that in other capitals there was a different calculation, and let’s say this to me the day before. well, if i'm not mistaken. cobra last year, when many in kiev, to put it mildly, were skeptical they were concerned with the prospect that everything would end with just such a conflict, but with a full-scale not just aggravation in the donbass, i was a big war, but one person from, let's say, close circles. well, let's say

about frank westerners who have serious contacts in the american society, developing in society, he directly said that all decisions about this war were largely made and made by neuroscience in kiev and not even in moscow, but made in the west, and how it literally there. i remember the quote was such a biden senate, roughly speaking, there, uh, will take steps that well let's say it will take putin to freedom, that is , this conflict was so beneficial for certain circles in the united states and in the west as a whole that in any case, uh, it could not be avoided. that is, they are not in any way pushed to it here, if well, this is again a long long conversation, but the key is the economy. here i am for literally another 30 seconds. i was talking to one the other day. eh, let's say. in general, not with a single russian politician, and my interlocutor cannot be attributed to conspiracy theorists. yes, i generally conspiracy theories do not suffer, but arose. uh, the name of the rothschilds, yes, the famous legendary family in the financiers of the bankers in the context, just here are the interests in the same britain london and

yes, and the west as a whole in this conflict, but the economic changes that are taking place in the world now in connection with e -e with the war in ukraine they deserve the most attention. almost by and large. i remember many people said no, i went into a crisis of overproduction. the economy stagnates to restart it. maybe just a new big war, since nuclear war is fortunately impossible, that is, the third world war is impossible to include the second first, which largely spurred the economic growth of their years. also, the second world war was the way out of the recession. that is, now they have hurt such a war, it may be more if the stars are lit. so, someone needs it, if hot spots appear on the map, and the world, then someone needs it too. i don’t know, here is mykola maracha, do you remember enough, uh, hopeful march 2022, when they talked about a possible truce, signing a truce between ukraine and russia, but then it was the

united kingdom that acted as the main instigator, the protesting side, and now 2022 was too bright, because the change in the elite of leaders happened very rapidly. and so everyone was convinced that it was the prime minister, who at that moment was, and the engine of all this locomotive of the military , was soon replaced by passion. now rishi of bags, but in fact the uk's policy regarding the current response has not changed, because the head of mi-6 has remained the same and many others, right? if you change e leaders of the intelligence community at the same pace as prime ministers, then this also happens. yes, but still rare. i mean , everyone who can walk will quit from there. yes, and they will leave, in fact, of course, at the heart of the current political conflict is the military-political one. uh, lies the need to fold. yes, this is how it happens. people play cards and no one wants to throw them away. well, so to speak, and admit defeat, but if

the lights go out. uh, the house falls on its side. yes, there is a convenient opportunity for everyone to in order to go out somewhere in a new place, sit down to retake e-cards and start the game again under the ukrainian crisis. all parties and even neutral countries write down all their problems and all tasks. and to be honest, yes, we, too, because , but just come, uh, to our liberal wing in power and say that you guys are bad. why are we bad? yes, but prove yes, prove that gaidar's reforms or privatization is criminal. these are the attempts that have been made. well, there is a not very convincing result, but not very convincing to someone, not to someone. and here the whole position, all the opponents of the authorities are automatically, uh, visible through the gaps. but tell me, here is the recent visit of mr. zelensky to the white house and biden's statement

that ukraine is ready. how can the world with russia perceive this in fact and the beginning of the war. uh, a special military operation. it was a trap, correctly described here, and now oleg spoke about it. uh, the americans and the british really wanted to draw russia into this trap. by the way, i remember well the reaction, both in ukrainian society and in russia at the stage negotiations in belarus then in istanbul it was not positive. and now, uh, this is kissinger's letter, biden's statement. eh, very interesting. they think they have sufficiently weakened russia. yes, they proclaim the ultimate goal. yes ultracyte. they always do that. these are the collapses of russia, but they themselves say they do not see the technology of this collapse. uh, so their task is to force russia to make some concessions to keep it. well, maybe there, crimea or donbass well, at the same time, force russia to recognize the fact that earlier it was not ready to recognize

this membership of ukraine in nato, and so on, and thus lead to further isolation of russia, lower its international status , disperse it with propaganda resources, that this is a defeat, tear russia away from china and switch. here on this region of the indo-pacific, what they actually declare, we see this plan. if russia goes. i hope this doesn't happen. it will be a defeat. and by the way, you remembered china and i think it is extremely important now to remind our viewers that in 2022 the transition of china and the united states to open rivalry of details in our story was extremely clearly felt. in addition to the conflict between the west and russia, the relationship between the united states and china also falls under the definition of the new cold war, in official us strategic documents, china is seen as a long-term strategic competitor, and in the london declaration of nato of 2019 there was the first

mention of problems related to the influence and international politics of china. based on this, the united states is pursuing several goals. washington is seeking to prevent further expansion of chinese influence and in return establish their hegemony an important role. in this confrontation, the visit of the speaker of the house of representatives of the united states, nancy, played, and to taiwan , this literally meant support for the independence of the island and encroachment on integrity. china's response from beijing followed immediately according to xi jinping. china will continue to seek peaceful reunification with the islands. at the same time, beijing does not intend to announce the renunciation of the ability to use force against taiwan and those who will comprehend us the sovereignty of the country, except in addition, at a meeting between sen ping and dmitry medvedev, the chinese leader noted that china is ready to move closer to russia for the sake of

fairer global governance. and the military sphere. indeed, the outgoing year was full of unpleasant surprises, which deprived hope and undermined faith in the imminent exit of mankind from the crisis of the systemic crisis. i would said, and now with a light hand over everything. for several years now, such surprises have been called aleba as vadim frants. tell me, please, and nikolayevich nancy pelosi is a black swan for the people's republic of china. do you think i would say so for the black swan? uh, well, the scale is not the same, even taking into account the m-m formal positioning of the us political hierarchy, this is not at all a swan. how many such a gray hummingbird is, well, the chinese certainly heard the warning and drew

conclusions from this, including those related to cooperation with russia, the rate of the americans is absolutely obvious, but to tear us away from the chinese. yes, the chinese from us, our chinese friends rightly say that when world war ii began in your country, the japanese were already committing atrocities on our territory with might and main. and this is true for them war. started much earlier. now it turns out, on the contrary, it starts with us, and china has time, we don’t know how long it’s been there for a year and a half, but it’s obvious if they sell us what we watch as compromises left in voronezh krasnodar left. maybe even crimea can. oh no, they will bargain from afar, if not from yekaterinburg , then at least she brought her sperm from voronezh. there are also other names for smolendium bry. yes, yes, yes, it is absolutely clear and understandable that they will

offer us, we will refuse it. china this time will be taken advantage of and used now for uh, providing a guarantee inside nesta. uh, the military, especially the navy, is growing. i would say at a fabulous pace but they will understand. they are not now, but a little later, and most importantly, that the last visit, no matter how it was commented on, was a state visit, medvedev's or a party visit. yes, you know, we here in the east know how to take off and put on these hats. and it is important that he was important, that he was important, that sounded out of the mind of mr. fini. and so, they, how would you characterize the relationship between russia and china, are they allies or are they strategic partners? well, of course, while they are not allies, but look here an important point, how americans perceive this confrontation, the conflict with russia - it's

more like, uh, they look like an annoying atavism all the time, this is the legacy of some soviet imperial ambitions, but they see it as peripheral. a conflict in which russia needs to quickly defeat in order to concentrate on its main enemy. they openly say this, china is the main enemy, but we do not need to be offended by this, that the enemy underestimates you. you just have to use it because the americans really made a huge strategic mistake namely. it will go into textbooks. they simultaneously launched a fight with russia and the united states, and this was done, both by one administration and the other, as for medvedev's visit, but they, er, nikoline. i did not know that st. petersburg is in our east. it seemed to me that you are , so to speak, closer to europe. that is the very window that peter i cut through. but the signals are really important. especially in chinese politics. look, yes, medvedev is a former president. yes, it's the former prime minister, but now he is the deputy chairman of the e-

security council of russia and we are sitting with him. and if you look at the schedule of meetings, he does not meet with everyone. even far from being with all the heads of state governments, the fact that these negotiations took place is that they were so lengthy. there were so many public statements in such an atmosphere. this confirms the conclusion that american analysts made and gave it to the public sphere that china has finally decided and will do i don’t know how much china believes in russia, but i think he hopes for russia’s victory but he definitely doesn’t believe in her defeat. and this is strategically important. how to formalize it, as a partnership or an alliance. this is the second question at the moment , the very choice of china is important, a nikolaevich is there any fear in the russian political class that the next generation of chinese leaders, being blinded by their power, will begin to show certain features of the global

hegemon, or is this not the goal at all ? next decade, people's republic of china you. theoretically, it can be assumed that the chinese try to play, uh, the american game, uh, there is one superpower, and all the rest are somewhere two floors below, but, firstly, the chinese are perfectly able to learn lessons not only from their but also with someone else's history and i think that in a generation another is not before. we will see serious american losses and therefore, theoretically, somewhere in 3-4 generations, china may have some kind of temptation. but why in this case, to china to spoil relations with russia, russia, to a certain extent, covers china, yes. well, let's go back to today . uh, i don’t know, in moscow the president’s coup was arrested. and zelensky is in the

kremlin, blagoveshchensk, which, as you know, is located on the amur river, is renamed lvov amursky, and i will allow myself to ask such questions. and why is it our chinese friends? that’s why they need it, so that ki-kievskaya washington missiles stand, uh, in close proximity, actually right on the chinese border. it why eh yes you know, well first of all, i think it's not three or four generations. i remember well. that's when there were still such minsk dialogues. yes, this is the era of multi-vector. uh, those were western analysts who, well, china is not going to expand its activity somewhere, not the bloc status is the task of two centuries, the concentration on internal development. we said that the next generation is just the thirteenth was 12-13 years old, when sidenkin came. here they will have new geopolitical tasks. we see, the way it is, therefore, i think, i am convinced that china is preparing for the global foliage and is almost

ready for it, and another question is how russia should feel when i think that china will offer russia this formula, which the americans offered to beijing and beijing then refused it this 12 is also somewhere back the so -called g2, that is, the big two of the senior and junior leader in the global. uh, like the americans will be in charge, and china will have its own sphere. i think that china is preparing again, we need to take a sober look at this. this is not bad, not good. china is preparing for such a formula for interaction with russia . the only thing is that they will not formulate it. as business americans know. uh, chewing gum, maybe. so let's okay. we'll be in our corporation. i am a senior partner. you are younger, they will say that our partnership is like tigers and a bear in the taiga, you won’t understand who is older, but if you have a tiger, you will be a bear, we will share our taiga. i think it will be to tell them, but something like this, yes, you know what else i would like to clarify with oleg europe actually

fell into a trap today, from which so far they they don't know how to get out. and if the way out, in principle, is absolutely solidarity with the united states of america on the russian question, pref. subordination to an older and stronger guarantor partner, for whom china is now a strategic rival for the next decade. although europe is a threat. he does not carry any and does not throw a challenge, and europe could build absolutely friendly mutually beneficial relations, because today it is extremely beneficial for her, but why on earth should an older brother allow a younger help someone who is in such a confrontation with him alet, what do you think about this? well , you know, i'm in my view of europe in principle, but a lot is said about this. recently is the main victim, er, of the ongoing economic crisis

especially when the leading automakers. germany is transferring its production, the united states says a lot, in principle, the united states is active in the current conditions, and it parasitizes just its european partners. uh, pulling back the industry a significant degree of investment and this is aimed at, american financial policy and credit monetary e, and the game with an increase in the interest rate of the fed and so on and in this situation we see that the united states is conducting the most reindustrialization, that is, the renewal of its industrial base. now, the efforts from belarus to preserve their industrial base, but justified themselves entirely. that is, as a show- although until recently we all talked about the fact that come on, there, let's bet to find. and there is also on the service sector and so on on financial services. uh, who needs this industrial borehole in a common digital environment, no , in the conditions of a serious, uh, military

confrontation, and then there will be all the same, and technological rivalry, and all the same, humanity. i'm sure he will be engaged in serious space. all the same, humanity will deal with its markets and so on. in this sense, industry plays a key role. so europe ceases to be completely already, uh, the industrial innovation base, which it was turning into such a really application. as for, actually, about china. well, here i just disagree with you a little about the challenge. here i just seem to be with russia and not a fang. it seems that he is believed with russia, europe could have harmonious synergy. it was, in general, european prosperity was based largely on cheap russian energy and access to the chinese market, but russia is not even though, right now more. lira conservative values ​​as europe articulated anti-christian ultra-liberal there values ​​in russia become a counterbalance, but

in principle, it is china that is the biological alternative to chinese society, the chinese system of relations between the individual and the state. well, i'll be honest. with all our great respect for the chinese family, the republic, even for me, is something completely different. thank you very much oleg for participating in the program after a short pause , timofey bardacheva will join our broadcast. stay with us. all the most interesting is ahead. the program sas is authorized to declare it is in it that we sum up the results of the year 2022. what did we remember him for and what forecasts will be made from the lips of our experts regarding the year 2023 , timofey bardachev, the program director of the club, valdai timofey, joins our discussion, but today we could not help but remember you and could not help but remember the wonderful term that you

used with regards to roaring twenties. after all , this is exactly what happens and again such a story moves in a spiral. please tell me, uh, your colleague fyodor lukyanov wrote the other day that the united states of america has finally successfully instrumentalized ukraine and received in her person an unsinkable aircraft carrier, which poses a chronic systemic threat to russia. but, after all, the appropriate and strengthened did not begin yesterday, and the guests in the studio and i focused on this, and from the degree of infiltration of agents of american influence into the ukrainian government to the preparation of everything , there is a lot signs that such a course. here it was carried out for a long time and quite consistently, and in this sense, from the point of view of the interests of the russian federation , it is not the start of a special operation that is a blunder. and

rather that it started too late. do you agree with this well in russia, of course, there is such a point of view and very many authoritative experts, close to the state, that a special operation has begun, in principle. it is solely in the ability of those who need to sink it to do it one way or another, or there are no countries that cannot be subjected to sufficiently consistent force to change their behavior, or cease to exist, we understand that now, unfortunately with respect to ukraine and the question stands in this way. ah.

it is difficult to say that americans are pleased to instrumentalize something there , because you know, history, as nikolaevich said to the site. history is not lost on nevsky prospekt, which goes straight and in accordance with a pre -planned plan. history is a rather chaotic process to plan something for the long term. here it is quite difficult to implement. we understand that those dramatic events that took place in ukraine from the middle two thousand years. they were associated with a huge number, including internal factors and mistakes of the ukrainian leadership, and not exclusively insidious plans of the americans, the americans know how to use it. well, in russia, too, sometimes she knows how to use a lot of things. russia took advantage of the situation in crimea russia took advantage of the teachings of the population of donbass look at the opposition to the new cold

war between russia and the west and again they say the role of ukraine as a ram against russia, because how much such an approach is really is, and the american strategy for years ahead, or as they fear in kiev, the american establishment is determined only to teach moscow a lesson, but not to weaken its strength and not completely repulse in the light of the pain of the serious chinese threat that we have just said. well, what are you, well, are they some kind of gods, in order to get someone or not to get, and so it will turn out for them and they will act as a battering ram against russia in a sense. yes although, of course, it was rather weak before, in fact , but during the second world war on the page usa fought the soviet union that was a strong strong ally. and now, as they say in russia, yes, it’s already rather weak somehow, if they only have ukraine. and what, we

can be opposed, so i still would not demonize american ladies like that. here they are, as it were, they will give us. yes, they themselves will fight, but this fight on our part is not with some kind of fight with the universal angle, which from the sea always decides what to do. they, too, are subject to circumstances. and if the russian army, there the russian armed forces will demonstrate the pain convincing in ukraine, the americans will accept it. they also fled from afghanistan although, uh, president jang. they traveled washington. here, they were also well received there, and then they left and fled, and he let's say, seriously, on february 24 , 23-24, the americans were ready to flee the embassy to ukraine. well, we didn't succeed. and so that it depends only on us, but not alone. yes, by the way, it can be said and noted that the current

administration of the biden administration is taking away the embassy is transported to other regions, burning documentation, a lot of traces of their personal corruption, using ukraine as an offshore for the united states of america was able to clean up all their bad deeds. if i may say so. yes, they think that these are good kids, who, in general, have already been proven by the fact of the well-known suitcase of publication in the american press. somewhere, of course. censorship, as in ukraine no, it hasn't been and probably won't be, because this is not a unique phenomenon. it's all a fact, but it's important different, and the united states of america is really ready to throw this suitcase away, when the handle finally falls off the suitcase was not bad was very good to do. sorry from estonia from latvia from lithuania or even three together something like that is impossible poles are very rational. if they are offered

western ukraine, they will gladly collect it, of course, money. yes, they will. and if they say, guys, well, you need to put 300 thousand for lvov , you need it, but if you don’t say no, we don’t need it. and here they really found people and found them leaders who, in pr, frankly brilliant. but pr is part of the functions of the president, and he has now brought ukraine to such a situation that it will be impossible, in principle, to negotiate with russia and not only with russia, in principle, but it may well be that with the americans in 2 years 3 years 5 years. we will return to cold-cool relations and we will have some kind of business and some kind of politics and we will occasionally step on each other's heels, but it will be more or less normal life in the style of the cold war. but kyiv

mode. with such a failure, in general, any forecasts are based on three most important factors from my point of view in the near future, and the entire foreign political strategy of russia depends on them, these factors are simple. will the russian federation be able to liberate the entire donbass, the first factor of the second? will she be able to short? hands back, kherson and the third factor. will the russian army be able to enter zaporozhye that is, in fact, will russia be able to ensure the main provisions of its constitution based on the referendums that were held in september of this year from this it all depends, if she succeeds in this one forecast, if she fails. this is a completely different forecast for the development of the situation, and it seems to me that we have touched on zelensky. in general, we need ukraine a lot, we analyze a lot and know the details there. especially our americanists, our washington politics behind the scenes. which bakery is on which side street off fifth avenue, and what exactly smokes in that

room of the entire ministerial abbey. they are in another, this is all fine. one question , for a long time, we have been painting ukraine as zelensky’s fail state, as a clown of oligarchs, as corrupt ukrainian creatures. but this state, nevertheless, is worth it, and yes, western aid is fighting against us in the senate. well , these are ukrainian. and here are these guys, they go there and die. what is the mystery of this, what happened to ukraine in 8 years, if we can understand and analyze seriously , seriously, and then this will be the key to many further successes of the russian federation. do you have? thoughts about what is the mystery about you know, uh, the countries of south asia there is already such a terrible phenomenon as child begging, when children are stolen from their parents, their arms are cut off

, and after that they are forced to beg on the street. the child causes pity of mars well tears and thus here these sadists, they earn money. it seems to me that ukraine, as a result of its internal development over the past 30 years, has found itself in a position where it does not have the independence of such an accelerated child. he will suffer various different troubles, but unfortunately, there is only one way out of this situation. yes, this change of mind is a reality. not what happening in ukraine is a fight for the mind. this is a struggle for people to understand that the path chosen by this country is death. these are the ones i 'm interested in. and what kind of mind i can’t help but ask you the last extremely, important question that interests me today, ukrainians turned out to be the second largest people in russia, as it was in the russian empire and

the soviet union, we are talking about at least ten million, and that’s how much in modern realities these people can again become the authors of the russian project, and leaving its narrow and a dangerous framework that sounds like russia for russians. it seems to me that it is already becoming for us, this private is now perceived as externally unusual, but from my point of view. this is very well wrong. i would be present by people having a ukrainian state of birth in russia, educated in various fields, and all sorts of all sorts of means, because this is really red integration from the road part of ukrainian society. thank you very much for your participation. and, of course, i would like to end our program on the positive development of integration processes within the framework of the union state russia belarus in more detail in our story belarus and russia in minsk summed

up the results of the integration year, noted the successful implementation of 28 programs and in general. agreed on all issues, the chief economy. russia is the main trading partner of belarus now, when some of our western partners are really leaving our market for belarus , windows of opportunity are opening up for belarusian manufacturers and belarusian goods are going very well for russian market i emphasize. it is now the countries closest allies and strategic partners of cooperation between which develops on the principles of mutual respect and accounting are of interest to each other from the point of view of the economy, perhaps the most important issue is the prices for gas and oil, as alexander lukashenko said belarus is satisfied with the results of discussions with russia on the creation single gas market and pricing conditions for energy carriers for the next 3 years, all agreements on this issue have been reached, but so far without

details. we fixed our price. she 's profitable. uh, length with russia helps a lot in that regard. the issue of security was not left without attention alexander lukashenko thanked vladimir putin for helping our country. russia has supplied belarus with the s-400 complex and the iskander complex, which are already on combat duty. both leaders. also agreed to continue local military exercises. after all, the tension along the perimeter of the border of the union state, primarily in the west, causes concern. that's just what we the most serious made a statement. russia let's be frank. we are able to defend our independence and sovereignty alone without russia. and in difficult times, he did not refuse. today, a platoon, putin arrived, here he scares someone. look after our statements here. but he went

forward, as a native, as a person close to belarus, 2022 became a period of challenges for the two countries of belarus russia was subjected to serious sanctions and political pressure from the west however, this only brought minsk and moscow closer and as alexander emphasized lukashenka if someone wants to break off relations today and drive klin into relations between belarus and russia, they will not succeed anyway. they will only get stronger, and today we have actually created a base today with the president and our colleagues. for my future leap forward completely. here, not in vain, at the beginning of the program, i said that all hope is for moral authorities capable of drawing attention to their position. so i think for the republic and belarus, alexander lukashenko is such and, as it were, in general

vladimir characterizes the event that took place in general for foreign policy and correctly, of course, the minsk meeting. eh, it's historical. from what point of view, firstly, do you know how presidents are able to keep the intrigue. we are in a hybrid war. he is a very tough opponent. uh, strategic initiative is important here. you capture when you provide surprise for the enemy. look what they did, they said we will meet the day before, shoigu came there a couple of weeks before and started, but just hair sat in a puddle. many western politicians are almost all commentators. it started from the fact that russia would capture belarus, a new attack on ukraine would begin. for the fact that this meeting does not mean anything at all. although, in general, this shows the level of their expertise, that this is no expertise that ordinary propaganda does not give out into the public space, which aims to influence its public opinion and put pressure on us. they are

here with these stuffing, while they are trying to put pressure on our public opinion presidents have beaten everyone in this regard. e. i think that for us nikolai is a joy. it was obvious that it was the economic agenda that would be in the first place, what needs to be analyzed, you need to watch real processes, the current models of the union state are absolutely unique, this is not the european union, and this is not the former soviet union this is a new matrix well, i will not argue with the president. i am the base. this set up is not now walking this meeting. it was created before. but what happened, what is another major mistake. and another defeat of the west in in the twentieth year, the goal of those who were behind the attempted coup d'état in belarus was to tear belarus away from and moreover, how to tear russia into the anti-belarusian coalition, because they wanted to do this and liberal agents within russia itself failed. and this only accelerated our integration in the twenty- second year, a special military operation

did not lead to disunity, but to a level of unity that was not there before. and we are the victory, so we somehow don’t talk very much lately and don’t like to focus attention. well, not to jinx our victories of the current level of development of the union state of russia and belarus is a real victory of the two peoples. of course, in this regard, the merits of both alexander lukashenko and vladimir putin are difficult in front of, whatever one may say, but still uh, with all the ideological differences of the western western establishment of the belarusian. it remains in the cultural and mental, but rather in terms of a purely european country. such russia is also to force moscow and despite the presence, and yet the fantasy of certain eurasians who have taken uh asia but still turn around to look between escorts. i would not say that these are

eurasian fantasies. it has the right to life, but also belarusians. after all, you know , western propaganda is somehow trying to make belarusians - these are europeans. the russians, it seems, there is nothing like it, and we and the ukrainians are part of the same east slavic civilization - this is described by all scientists, and toyn, bischpengler huntington danilevsky by anyone who analyzed the civilizational approach not by these propagandists who declare, but by deep thinkers, uh, who understood what they were talking about and understanding, but all the same, both belarusians and russians remain europeans and russia - this is not asia and in europe, but in europe and asia, we should not leave europe, we should give premieres in europe simple. example. that's when they say yes, well, what? many of our viewers will be able to name, let alone quote classical chinese uh novels, no one. i think, well, rare people, yes, but hugo deakins, knowing everyone, everyone knows chinese very well, children and

still it is worth sending. well this is the only one an example that shows our civilizational essence. we are europe, but we are her friend europe thank you yes, it was a pity that this beautiful picture with two presidents was removed. i replaced it with a symbolic row of two plasmas. i have exclusive information. yesterday in warsaw, a well-known house, where the russians come to visit the belarusian position to cry together. yes, they called a brigade of plumbers reinforced. yes, because when they saw this photo, they blurred the ceilings between the floors and muddy streams flowed down. yes, but because, well, in my opinion, everything is said, here. this photo against the backdrop of the christmas tree says even what the presidents did not say in the public space, but they can behave like that and so on. here are just allies, while there is one important thing. the republic of

belarus has been an independent state for more than 30 years, building a union state. i have to say it again to everyone. this is not a process of merging states into one, harmonizing interests and building policies on a whole range of issues that are of fundamental interest, so it’s very wise not to overrun forward into the single currency. let's make sure that our currencies are the best and there are more goods, there are more salaries. how will it be nominated? i think it's not so important. thanks to everyone who participated in today's discussion. these were the results of the year 2020, the second today's program sounded and forecasts for the coming year. i ask my colleagues to display the magnificent photo that i managed to display

. and this is the signature. she touched me very carefully. dear and beloved by the audience. i wish each of you a happy new year. let's take care of our fragile world together in 2023, and by tradition, sas is authorized to declare. 2022 was a turning point for the system of international relations.

this region is called little venice. as you understand, due to the weather conditions , we won’t be able to start traveling in a raincoat, but in no case will this interfere with our acquaintance with the city; however , hundreds and even 1,000 km will not interfere with traveling around belarus, the unique architectural building one of the most famous names of the belaya vezha tower, although it has been white in its history . she never was. by the way, who didn’t know this particular tower is depicted on a five- ruble banknote, the national belarusian authenticity home morning, where

clothes and quality items were stored, a red corner , a bed and a stove, something like this looked like a typical belarusian hut and incredibly many positive emotions. for the first time i see a bison, they were born, by the way, this year hello travel online with belarus 24 tv channel. 16 best teams and 48 favorites from all over the country, what will win strong nerves or emotions? there were also four elements with which the participants must cope. i like the element of air and flight. in general, in competitions, i grow house wings, so i will find chaos on the track, and we

will show what fire athletes are capable of and the decisive stage of conquering the tower, the team that rises to the main crystal will become the winner of this level and continue their fight for a place in the finals was very hard.