earns himself justified. if not, well, then it was possible, yes, to ask, let's say there was such and such a budget invested there. and you did n't go anywhere. that is, we can say that our football deserves the financial conditions in which it will now be. well, let 's just say today, for sure, there are no calls from the bundesliga with england there and with our guys from italy. well, at least kill me. i won’t believe this is an energy drink, and for such an example, the guys can remove snow in december, and in november conditionally become a silver prize for diagradov. for example, it is correctly assessed in general, because here it is, well, i think e, he pushed the viewer to why we have rich clubs, when the energetik who are the guys, they get a penny there, they take beating grants. well, again. yes , today we are just saying that there is a result for the energy sector. this is the result. they gave it, they can’t tell anything, and they’ll wake up about some salaries, there, and about food , about anything. yes, they are social old, but let's if there are five people from this energy there or how much someone there will transfer something in transit through dinamo minsk. transit there through some other team. yes, there further

then, probably, we will say super. guys, this was the base, although now, and yurevich and relatives. and pavlova, who worked at the headquarters there, right? and maybe i didn’t list someone, i ’m sorry, i must give it must they work. they provide material that is of high quality for our realities at one time, borisov did not remove the snow, they went out in january. and kutuzov sivakov zhevnov and gleb left for the tops. tell the miner the flagship is for today in belarusian football. well, firstly, lately he has been the champion of the country, but that's all, although it sounds like that, of course, they belittle, but the only thing that we can have today with soligorsk has lukors. let's just say that. yes irons sounds. this is her about the cup, everything is important. it is important for her to win the super bowl on february 25th. this has always been important in any team. well, naturally, when you have a draw first round, it is important there, whoever is there, what, wherever you are played important them to pass, to pass so further your friend sasha gleb say, alexander gleb said that any elements are evil of you of the same opinion, that is, it is played. it 's just always been that way. age, uh veteran, you

are young, as always, especially for me to talk about it when . if you remember, the second year 20 years have passed. yes, recently seven people played on it, in my opinion, at that time, in twenty-one years, the same thing was played by three youth teams on the euro kondratiev and the late kurnin. and her more punctuality. we went there was no limit, but people came and three times reached the final pool. where to us at that time, in my opinion, now has never even happened. even the russian national team will be new year's. i can wish something to shakhtar fans to belarusians in general. i wish all the fans, regardless of the club, some kind of addiction and who is rooting for whom, first of all, health, of course, positive hmm family health and all the best patience, be sick. love your players with your team, whatever it is. only

the facts nothing personal everything is very not just obvious quite concretely known our main interest. we want to build a more harmonious system of international relations. it is our main interest to use the opportunities that exist. and there are opportunities that we have in the country. this is really very valuable our strength in truth this is again my right my duty my country is really a matter of philosophical essence any process to become stronger as a result of the markov project nothing personal directly frankly sincere truthfully, watch on belarus 24 tv channel. our ancestors are real male

craft cooperage shashami nearby in all its glory watch every week the culture fashion project on belarus 24 tv channel. surely this is december. she really wants to forget the leadership of the volleyball club, a minsk resident in a completely sensational case, previously

lost the final of the cup of belarus under god's command last weekend, but as a result, our plenipotentiaries in the super league mastitis could not imagine to arrange a christmas present is always an opportunity to discuss our volleyball, especially in the conditions of isolation of sports from the main thing, so that you will see in the next story in belarus there will be a second men's club in the open. in the russian championship, the issue of renting a similar picture of the world is not affected by authoritative speakers. shakhtar won the fifth cup of belarus in its history on saturday. this victory happened in a game with a principled builder, again it took five games, but the conversations with club leaders turned out to be much more interesting

and belarusian volleyball than the game, first of all, the word to the secretary general of the belarusian federation, volleyball ale teterina, we are not wasting time. not only that, i know that the russian russian federation of volleyball is really looking forward to the second men's team. they directly insist that there should be a miner, but we have a miner. the leader has been in belarusian volleyball for many years. and i think that they think about it, and it would be great, of course, because these two teams are the backbone. not even the backbone. i would say, these are the people who are the first. here are the first team, we do not take a legionnaire. this is the first candidate. here we ask a logical question to the chairman of the board of directors of the shakhtar volleyball club valery we want to play in the russian super league and there is already an invitation from the federation of the all russian volleyball federation. uh, so that we participate in the next super league of russia, but there

are many circumstances that we must overcome. this is primarily finance and play. of course, we must, uh, not in the same way as now we are playing the first-born of belarus. and we should think about the six, and the six are the strongest. this is what our team is designed and configured for. this is what i mean to them, and the governor of our hair has already had such a conversation , uh, and the mayor of our city and the general director of the belarusian square. well, of course, we mean the six supergege in the six super. if we solve this problem in an organized manner, then we will go, we will play, then it will be in minsk. games e. well, yes, maybe in minsk, uh, but we are now, uh, here's mine before. i talked about the construction of a five-thousander in soligorsk

there is already a city planning project too. here is the city plan included. that is, the place has already been determined. you know that this is the head of state, this is a long process. uh, but uh, there are difficulties, because it is expensive to take this one. and today we are not at full capacity of the work of the enterprise. i think that when here uh the world will calm down. yes, now we want to reconstruct our hall, which makes it possible to play in the super league. well, if somewhere we don’t make it in time, then, uh, most likely, we will play here, and after the match stsk of our players did not want to outbid you. you know, that's when they took e from us. bobkevichs, they just stole it. yes, we will assume that we have brought our contracts in order if they want to take someone from our players. let them pay the money, please, probably immediately the most urgent sanctions on

belarusian volleyball. it's a tricky moment. how difficult. in my opinion. they hit volleyball the least. what do you think? well , at first, of course, there was such a psychological blow, that is, we were not ready. we are even in in principle, they never lived like this, but you know, on reflection and look at how the situation has developed. i think it has worked out to our advantage at this time so far. uh, we have such a forced pause. and here, uh, youth declared with youth teams youth teams. a and. i think that this is just such a plus, because this is a very serious level of the russian championship of the youth league ah. they just add everything from the game. moreover, it must be taught that they are much younger than their peers from russia, this is a plus. well and then we we are engaged in internal affairs, put in order. we raise

children's volleyball very much. and we have a children's youth volleyball league, beach volleyball, the same milky net championships. you're still the best the best players left. and this is thank god, because a-a play at such levels in twenty countries of the world. we have more than 60 legionnaires. somewhere around 70. i think this is good, and we give other players a chance to prove themselves, and you know, at every championship, at every game, you find interesting players who are completely new in 2022. do guys girls boys go to this kind sports or maybe he loses to the modern world that he does not lose it 100%, and this year, if you take boys and girls, uh, in september. we recruited about 300 children. maybe somewhere on the sidelines, maybe somewhere among the leaders. maybe you are not among your russian colleagues at all, what you have heard from the international

volleyball federation. maybe there are some good signs or nothing, uh, heard from anyone? unfortunately, or maybe there are some plus points? uh, until nothing joyful comes from nowhere, yeah talking to russian judges. they say that it is not calculated even for the next 5 years about what to return. here. but we still hope that it will be much earlier. that's why we participated in the super league, to be ready when these sanctions are lifted, so as not to look pale, but to show who we are, they are somehow very directly categorical and even more tuned than other sports, and no tolerances are possible yet this is connected they are dependent, because it's not just that it applies there superbly. we

they have always been at their best, especially for children and youth. we have always been in europe finals. and even the prize money they always said that we are a very fast progressing volleyball country, that it won't last long. in the meantime, we turn our attention to the minsker, the team continues to fight for a place in the super league. for sure, based on the participation of the belarusian hockey club, where you can shoot the tv series youth by car, because the guys in bobruisk play interesting and talented plus. there is a very serious concern for their moral education for any kind of bad habits. they will point to the door, and they will be fined for excess weight, nevertheless, the team returned to their native beaver with a career and after 8 years big hockey again in this city. it's great in

order to play in the nhl, it was necessary to update the complex, so kristina kamysh went there, firstly to conduct an inspection of some kind, the release of the revision project, the second to find out how ours are doing in the nhl in general, a series of failures made it a little difficult to fight to break into knockout round via play-in. the belarusian club dynamo collar returned to mheo. 7 years after his absence. in general, this decision was dictated by the time due to politically motivated sanctions, our future cannot yet perform in the external arena, therefore, at the turn of spring and summer, the sports federation decided to revive the team and it seems that the team came to court cool, because here any team will play to the end will not give up in any case do not give up with each team you can play no matter. this is a gold silver level, indeed. good level is good. and that's just for our progress sat, let's say there in the fourth link. and here you are, play the mhl, that is,

prove that you should be here and then it will be much easier for you to fit in the adult vk, because here the level of the nhl is almost the same as xxxl, that is, here the speed is mastery. that's just. well, it's just that the overall guys are smaller than everything with the proizo team. or external changes, so the red-black colors from 2015 were replaced with black-and-blue ones. it was necessary for everyone to see the connection of the tire manufacturer with the main club of the country , minsk, the dynamo pharma system works like this for last week defender timofei koverenu and forward egor klavdiv signed two-way contracts with zubr for every chance to get into this team. and this is for every motivation, so that you are noticed to show well in this team that you have been promoted there, now the application periods are ending. if something happens, dynamo minsk can then raise to itself, if there are any injuries or something else happens with the disease, anything, maybe the vertical is working. yes, dynamo minsk signs players, our guys see. they have something to strive for. everyone dreams

of getting into the national team of the youth team dynamo minsk, therefore, already next year. do we have a certain group of players that we looked at, whom we count on, we contact with them, for whom there will also be an opportunity to prove themselves, like these guys, eh? take a step up a notch to climb, but not without a fly in the ointment of a barrel of honey, the dynamo player could not start the regular season on the native ice of bobruisk and it was put into operation in 2008 then it was not possible to put a soft or, as they say otherwise, floating safe board due to inconsistency with the mhl regulations, the beavers had to play home matches in minsk at the olympics. and this means plus 4 hours on the road on average for one duel, have the russians watched all the tv shows that came out? yes , these transfers are hard, especially hotels. and even if you play buses all the time at home, even moving even in minsk they take a lot of time, when the away series is there for a couple of days,

they will give us a little load in the hall and that 's all during the move, when we are already going to another city. he managed to recover, plus on arrival we had a weekend training there. these days, don't load it like that. just roll there. now, when home games are already here, then they are so tonic. and training just to be on the move, of course, the fans explored behind the team our film crew once i met, perhaps, the most devoted of the fans, bobruisk. recall that in the last entry into the league, the dynamoshnik was one of the most visited friends, because i had not seen them for 7 years, not an old man. now with since then he said, until karen comes back to bobruisk and plays there, then i won’t meet, so you see this to me , you were sick. sun- very good strong. we had trips. we had trips to russia while the guys were wandering back and forth across the expanses of belarus, russia, the club's management did not waste time. they bought the necessary equipment in vain , installed the boards and brought the technical equipment

of the bobruisk arena to the required standards. after almost eight years, big hockey returned to the canadian stadium, yes, the guys have already gotten used to it during the time of the trip during the time that we were at the olympics, an excellent modern site, in addition to the on-board system of this video goal-match-con system. more fish in the dressing room i had to make cosmetic repairs to the requirements of the coaching staff for the guys, so that the conditions were better, that is, everything you need. we now have, by the way, during the inspection of the locker room, an interesting list of fines was noticed, the twelfth point causes a smile, decide uh, decide the doctor there will say that you need to weigh yourself. we'll go weigh ourselves there, to whom this one must pay, but in general, no one has ever paid us by weight. and since fines are normal, as for the standings, the dynamo continues to chase the playoffs. kharlamov 's team is in third place in the silver division of the western conference. recall only the first three will get into the play-in

or start earlier in the regular. in the championship, the bobrychans were in first place and had a winning streak from four victorias in a row, however, they spoiled the case in december, then the black blues lost directly to a competitor five matches in a row, well, five. shesterochka yes, no, well, i actually stalled. this month, and november we had such a tight lot of games, there were plus in the national team, so it was very hard, plus the guys got sick, that is, we were not the last games with a full team we didn’t have anyone to replace 10 people caused, then they left the chelers, four, and it is clear that they went to the national team with some kind of emotions, yes ambitions, yes, they are sent here. they needed time twist to comprehend. well, a little psychological hits, but the situation in the team the fighting mood is

positive. this is not reported, forwards dmitry tukach is a guy. now he is recovering from a broken arm, so the forward decided to try his hand at journalism on his own. it was the first game at the bobruisk arena. what kind of emotions did you get from this game? emotions, only positive ones. there was a good atmosphere in the stands. a minute before the end, the whole arena was screaming, well done and uh, this is a real thrill. for the sake of this it is worth playing and winning the last few games the team had a small save, what was the reason for this? well , it's good that we broke it and connected. it was, probably, with somewhere we were a little unlucky at some points somewhere, perhaps, we were somehow addicted morally, but we got out and it's great. now, damn it. i hope there will be only victory now black and blue are playing at home. tomorrow the beavers will host dynamo and st. petersburg. live broadcast on tv channel belarus 5 at 14:20. in the new year 2023 , almost the whole of january. dinamoshnik will hold on the road, with the first guest. wai

the series will be far eastern rivals typhoon from vladivostok sakhalin sharks and amur these games completion i want to congratulate everyone on the upcoming 2023 and wish it to be better leaving from the closest were healthy and always next to you throughout the year was the main idea, the sports program of the belarusian television that will only get better next year see you and take care.

the program sas is authorized to declare i am the host nadezhda sas i welcome you. i remind you that this is a program for those who want better to understand the world that is happening and to understand how these processes are events. people will affect the life of everyone and the life of the country, and today's release of the program is the final one in the cycle of the sasa program in 2022 . and the main task. we analyze it to sum up the outgoing

year on december 27, 2019. program director of the club, valda and timofey bardachev. wrote relatively peaceful 2020 will be the last in a period of uncertainty in world politics. the most important players gradually take their places, in front, the roaring twenties oh how he turned out to be right the outgoing year filled the ears of all with the roar and roar of a new era of the former unipolar system of international relations has sunk into oblivion, and it is being replaced by a much more complex and less stable multipolar way of life. all this is accompanied by huge military-political and socio-economic upheavals and changes. which of them were the most important in 2022, we will discuss today's program. i am glad to welcome vadim gegen, who is already present in our studio. chairman of the board of the belarusian knowledge society

candidate of historical sciences political scientist. hello and nikolai maratovich mezhevich, director of the center for belarusian research at the institute of europe of the wounds. hello. good afternoon, apart from that. i am glad to welcome in our studio the candidate of political sciences diplomat oleg voloshin is already present . good evening. good evening, we begin our conversation with a blitz survey, as they said during the pandemic, we have already reached the peak or the worst is yet to come with a quote from mr. bardachev. i don't quite agree with her. this is a direct analogy with the twentieth century, roaring twentieth and then, after the roaring twenties , the formidable thirties came, so here they are formidable, because they began with a pandemic. the pandemic led to prominent protests of domestic political destabilization in many countries of the world and caused a new round of the economic crisis that no one had planned, and everyone expected that there would be

a resolution. that old crisis that began in the eighth year in the united states and then it went well, just an unprecedented geopolitical confrontation with the hot phase of the war, but we don’t have a bottom in this regard achieved because there is no agreement on a new world order. and we expect a whole series of similar conflicts, especially since the ukrainian crisis. it is still far from being resolved, please, we have been looking for familiarity in france for more than a year, and almost every time we meet, we say that the situation is extremely difficult and it will be even more difficult to talk ahead. we started this way back in the last decade, and in this sense, er, i will agree to or, conversely, pick to choose from. we have n't reached it because the current level of confrontation is not at all, uh, the peak. or on the contrary, not the bottom at all. but we are now talking about a local conflict, it is local

for the whole world. it is not local, maybe for us it passes at a thousand kilometers of the border of the republic of belarus and even more in relation to the russian federation, but i assure you, uh, 2/3 of the world hmm well, they know this conflict about the same as well, they know that in the middle east years 70 different kinds of difficulty. well, it’s here now, yes, that is, it’s not a global conflict, but from our conflict to go into a global one, in principle, even in the last conflict it’s much easier than that of the middle eastern oleg do you agree with the position of experts and in your opinion the worst is yet to come, but you know, there is some kind of roaring palace from them. uh, probably a problem with the translation, but because the russian version does not accurately convey the meaning. i don't know the original term fancis, that is, it was meant in the first place. a very turbulent period. ah, the growth of the culture of economic recovery, and so on

really, which was observed 100 years ago, and in this sense, uh, then what u eat this frozen one in many ways. by myself unipolar postmodern. peace. it begins to finally collapse and releases many new creative forces. and you know, the crisis does not say this in vain in chinese uh, if i am not mistaken in languages, this means both opportunities and problems. yes, and that is , it is denoted by the same hieroglyph, that is, in fact, the roaring twenties - this does not mean that it is bad, therefore, in this sense, i just agree with mr. global conflict. what did you talk about, dear colleagues. you know how they remember one phrase when you predict the end of the world. you can be right only once, because the global conflict, in fact, we would not analyze here. and it’s just that there would be no one, most likely, god, it would be to analyze it. therefore, i think that in many ways we have passed a certain peak in the sense that the great powers have shown the inadmissibility and

use of unacceptability by those in power. at least. elite nuclear war between them. whatever the stakes are, uh, this high. and this is the key, therefore, everything else, no matter how three, layers. the main thing, you believe, there will be no nuclear war. let's at least this, but a positive point. at the end of the year, for our esteemed viewers, it was really staged in the outgoing year international. new relationships were full of interesting and dramatic events. we will remember each of them in turn and rather an important stage in 2022, which became precisely because of the start of a new cold war between russia and the west, which grew into a rather bright aggressive confrontation. please, let's remind our viewers of our story in more detail. after several decades of russia's attempts to first become part of the political west and then find a formula for peaceful coexistence with it, relations between moscow and washington fell into a

tailspin with a trigger was the start of hostilities in ukraine, but all the prerequisites for confrontation were created before that, it was not by chance that the united states and their allies went to unprecedented measures in trying. undermining the russian economy of its political isolation. such decisions are not prepared in a week by the european union which for many decades grew rich due to access to cheap russian energy resources and acted at the forefront of dialogue with it, this time it was not only obediently supported, the united states well, it became the instigator of a number of the most radical places to arrest russian assets and funds of the central bank. blocking the property of wealthy russians banning russian citizens from entering a number of eu countries stopping air traffic breaking cooperation in the field of education and culture attempts to exclude russian writers from university programs. it's not complete a list of what was resorted to in the west, even in relation to the ussr, many of these measures were not applied in russia in turn. this was regarded as a reason to revise

the european-centric view of its historical path that had existed since the time of peter the great, at the same time, through the mass flight to the west of adherents of such a course, russian society was largely cleansed of conductors of western meanings in culture, journalism and business. all this will have the most far-reaching consequences. in any case, clear confrontation between russia and the west will not disappear anywhere, because it was generated by the desire of the first to pursue its sovereign, largely neo-liberal course in domestic foreign policy and the unwillingness of the second to recognize the end of the era of the liberal world order. yes, vadim, when the end of the region is not visible to a major military-political crisis, a request arises that is associated with the search for appeasement, which will work and, first of all, a request for leaders. today you could name those leaders who contributed to, and at least

measure. a thaw is possible in his relationship between russia and the west. in fact, leaders are still, uh, manifestations of a certain process. here again, you supported the debatability of our communication, because the cold war did not start with a special military operation. it is the result of a long and ongoing chain of events, the five-day war in georgia and then the maidan in ukraine, we saw what happens, er, and a number of other aspects. e, between e. here are these important milestones, and a lot of criticism. uh, like crushed leaders in the west, she is justified and not very. well, who could have predicted there in the era, adenaura, which is in any way. a small leader, but nevertheless, that a willibran will appear, into which it will hold just such a position, therefore it will certainly appear. eh, bright characters in western politics are almost inevitable, but the character appears as a result of a certain public demand for what we see now,

and the result of negative selection over several generations. this is the result of such a notorious political correctness, which has become ideological companion, but the entire era of the unipolar world. in fact , political correctness, notorious. it was part of such a soft totalitarianism implanted by the united states themselves. and inside the united states, this is a reflection of this neoliberal ideology gradually with the growing crisis. uh, this ideology will certainly appear and new leaders. we see during construction. say what is happening in eastern europe, we may not like someone or not, but then orban. and kaczynski is that not a bright leader in poland yes, he is our enemy, but nonetheless. so i think that things are not as bad for europe as we sometimes talk about it, and oleg, we ca n't stop talking about ukraine, and i think you remember like no one else. what moods reigned in the

public space by the end of 2021, ukraine was anything and a pawn, a bargaining chip on the stage, but not a self-sufficient subject of international relations. whose fate was determined by others for him and without him, and then many were convinced that if it went on like this, then in the new year the scene would have the risk of becoming a theater of war, and came out. and you know, i want to recall the words of a very famous russian politician. nobody wanted to listen to us. so listen, now, as a ukrainian politician, no one wanted to listen to you either, but for you to answer now, was it in general. in 2022, a certain backlash is a chance for peace in relations between ukraine and russia, but i think that the whole analysis of the events that preceded it, and the beginning of hostilities is literally. there, the first days will deserve

the very deepest close analysis. study by historians and theorists of the history of international relations as one of such key crises of our time. and how, let's say, the same caribbean crisis is sorted out in detail there on a minute-by-minute schedule, who called who, who visited whom, but from what i know and see very well, as a first approximation, and there was a chance for a peaceful settlement. even after the first tanks, roughly speaking, crossed the border and the first missiles flew, and such a calculation was obviously in moscow , and another thing is that in other capitals there was another calculation and let me say this the day before. well, if i'm not mistaken. cobre of last year, when many in kiev, to put it mildly, were skeptical about the prospect that everything would end up with just such a conflict, but with a full-scale not just aggravation in donbas a great war, but one person from, let’s say, close circles. uh, well, let's say about western frank ones who have serious

contacts in the american. did he openly say in society that all decisions about this war were largely made and made by neuroscience in kiev and not even in moscow, but accepted in the west. and as i literally remember the quote there was such a biden senate, roughly speaking, there, uh, it will take steps that, well, let's say, it will take putin weakly, that is , this conflict was so beneficial for certain circles in the united states and in the west in general, that in any case, uh, it could not be avoided. that is, they are not in any way pushed to it here, if well, this is again a long long conversation, but the key is the economy. here i am for literally another 30 seconds. i was talking to one the other day. eh, let's say. in general, not with a single russian politician, and my interlocutor cannot be attributed to conspiracy theorists. yes, in general, i don’t suffer from conspiracy theories, but arose. uh, the name of the rothschilds, yes, the famous legendary family of financiers bankers in the context, just here are the interests in the same britain london and yes and the west as a whole in this conflict, but

the economic changes that are taking place in the world now in connection with e- e with the war in ukraine they deserve the most attention. almost by and large. i remember many saying the world has entered a crisis of overproduction. the economy stagnates to restart it. maybe only a new big war, since a nuclear war is fortunately impossible, that is, the third world war is impossible to include the second world war , which largely spurred the economic growth of its years. also, the second world war was the way out of the recession. that is, now they have hurt such a war, perhaps taiwan will still be there. if the stars are on fire. so, someone needs it, if hot spots appear on the map, and the world, then someone needs it too. i don't know here mykola maracha, do you remember enough was, uh, hopeful march 2022, when they talked about a possible truce, signing a truce between ukraine and russia, but then the main skirmishers, the protesting side was in the uk and now 2022

was too bright, because the change in the elite of leaders took place very rapidly. and so everyone was convinced that it was the prime minister, who at that moment was, and the engine of all this locomotive of the military , was soon replaced by passion. now already rishi bags, but in fact the uk's policy regarding the current one has not changed, because the head of mi-6 has remained the same and many others, right? well, if you change the leaders of the intelligence community, at the same pace as prime ministers, then this also happens. yes, after all, it’s rare that everyone who can walk will quit from there. yes, and they will leave, in fact, of course, at the heart of the current political conflict is the military-political one. uh, lies the need to fold. yes, this is how it happens people play cards and no one wants to leave them. well, so to speak, and admit defeat, but if the lights go out. uh, the

house falls on its side. yes, then for everyone there is a convenient opportunity to go out somewhere in a new place, sit down to retake e-cards and start the game again under ukrainian. ah, crisis. all parties and even neutral countries write down all their problems and all tasks. and to be honest, yes, we, too, because, but just come, uh, to our liberal wing in power and say that you guys are bad. why are we bad? yes, but prove yes , prove that gaidar's reforms or privatization is criminal and such attempts have been made. well, there is a not very convincing result. well, not very convincing to someone, not to someone. and here is the whole position, all the opponents of the authorities are automatically , uh, visible through the gaps. but tell me, here is the recent visit of mr. zelensky to the white house and biden's statement that ukraine

is ready. how can the world with russia perceive this in fact and the beginning of the war. uh, a special military operation. it was a trap that was correctly characterized here, and now oleg spoke about it. uh, the americans and the british really wanted to draw russia into this trap. by the way, i remember well the reaction, both in ukrainian society and in russia, at the stage of negotiations in belarus . then in istanbul it was not positive. and now, uh, this is kissinger's letter, biden's statement. eh, very interesting. they think they have sufficiently weakened russia. yes, they proclaim the ultimate goal. yes ultras. they always do that. these are the collapses of russia, but they themselves say they do not see the technology of this collapse. uh, so their job is to make russia make some concessions to keep her. well, maybe there, crimea or donbass well, at the same time, force russia to recognize that it was not ready to recognize this membership of ukraine in nato before, and so on, and thus

lead to further isolation of russia, lower its international status, disperse it with propaganda resources, what it is defeat to tear russia away from china and switch. here on this region of the indo-pacific, what they actually declare, we see this plan. if russia goes. i hope this doesn't happen. this will defeat. and by the way, you remembered china, and i think it is extremely important now to remind our viewers that in 2022 , the transition of china and the united states to open rivalry of details in our story was extremely clearly felt. in addition to the conflict between the west and russia, the relationship between the united states and china also falls under the definition of the new cold war, in official us strategic documents, china is seen as a long-term strategic competitor, and in the london declaration of nato from 2019 there was the first mention of

and china's foreign policy based on this, the us pursues several goals . washington seeks to prevent further expansion of chinese influence and, in return , establish its own behemonic role. in this confrontation, the visit of the speaker of the house of representatives of the united states, nancy pelosiped, played. in taiwan , this literally meant supporting the independence of the island and encroaching on integrity. china's response from beijing followed immediately according to xi jinping. china will continue to seek peaceful reunification with the islands. at the same time, beijing intends to announce the renunciation of the possibility of using force against taiwan and those who will comprehend the sovereignty of the country. in addition, at the meeting of the sejinpin with dmitry medvedev, the chinese leader noted that china is ready to move closer to russia for the sake of more equitable global governance, according to political scientists, strategic the rivalry between the us and china could escalate into a multi-level global conflict,

where the greatest danger will lie in the economic and military spheres. and indeed, the outgoing year was full unpleasant surprises that have deprived of hope and undermine faith in the imminent exit of mankind from the crisis of the systemic crisis. i would say so, and now with a light hand over everything. for several years now, it has been customary to call such surprises as in one french aleba. tell me, please, and nikolaevich nancy pelosi is a black swan for the people's republic of china. do you think i would say so for the black swan? uh, well, it’s not the same scale, even taking into account the m-m formal positioning of the us political hierarchy, this is not at all swan. how many such a gray hummingbird is, well , the chinese certainly heard the warning and drew conclusions from this, including those

related to cooperation with russia by the rates of the americans, it is absolutely obvious, but to tear us away from the chinese. thais from us, yes. our chinese friends rightly say that when world war ii began in your country, the japanese were already committing atrocities on our territory with might and main. and this is true for them war. started much earlier. now it turns out, on the contrary, it starts with us, and china has time. i don't know how much is there a year and a half two, but obviously in the event that we are sold what we are watching as a compromise, voronezh left krasnodar left. maybe even the crimea we can oh, hardly no, they will bargain from afar, if not from yekaterinburg, then at least from voronezh with white. in the same place, other names of smolendia biarme are absolutely accurate and clear that they will offer us, we will refuse this. china this

time will be used and used now to ensure the guarantee of the internal hundred. uh, military, especially navy are growing. i would say at a fabulous pace. and it seems that the americans made a strategic mistake, but they will understand. they are not now, but a little later, and most importantly, that the last visit, no matter how it was commented on, was a state visit, medvedev's or a party visit. yes, you know, we here in the east know how to take off and put on these hats. uh, it's important that he was important, that he was important, which sounded because of mr. fini. and so, they, how would you characterize the relationship between russia and china are they allies are they strategic partners? well, of course, while it is not allies, but look here is an important point, how the americans perceive this confrontation, the conflict with russia - it's rather like this, they look like an annoying

atavism all the time, this is the legacy of some soviet imperial ambitions, but they see it as peripheral. a conflict in which russia needs to quickly defeat in order to concentrate on its main enemy. they talk about it directly, china the main enemy, but we do not need to be offended by this, that the enemy underestimates you. you just need to use it, because the americans really made a huge strategic mistake. it will be included in the textbook. they simultaneously launched a fight with russia and the united states, and this was done both by one administration and the other, with regard to medvedev's visit, but, er, nikoline. i did not know that st. petersburg is in our east. it seemed to me that you were still, so to speak, closer to europe. here is the very window that peter i cut through. but really signals are important. especially in chinese politics. look, yes, medvedev is a former president. yes, this is a former prime minister, but he is now the deputy chairman of the russian security council and

we are meeting with him. and if you look at the schedule of meetings, he does not meet with everyone. even far from being with all the heads of state governments, the fact that these negotiations took place is that they were so lengthy. there were so many public statements in such an atmosphere. this confirms the conclusion made by american analysts and gave it to the public sphere that china has finally decided and will bet on russia, i don’t know how much china believes, but i think, hopes for russia’s victory but definitely doesn’t believe in its defeat. and this is strategically important. how to formalize it, as a partnership or an alliance. this is the second question at the moment , the very choice of china is important. to show certain traits of global

hegemony is not the goal for the next decade of the people's republic of china. theoretically, it can be assumed that the chinese try to play, uh, the american game, uh, there is one superpower, and all the rest are somewhere two floors below, but, firstly, the chinese are perfectly able to learn lessons not only from their but also with someone else's history and i think that in a generation another is not before. we will see serious american losses, and therefore, theoretically somewhere in three or four generations, china may have a certain temptation. but why in this case should china spoil relations with russia ? russia, to a certain extent, covers china . well, let's go back to today . uh, i don’t know, in moscow the president’s coup was arrested. and zelensky is in the

kremlin, blagoveshchensk, which, as you know, is located on the amur river, is renamed lvov amursky, and i will allow myself to ask such questions. and why is it our chinese friends? that's why they need it, so that a ki-kyiv the washington missiles were, uh, in close proximity, actually right on the chinese border. it why e yes, you know, well, firstly, i think it's not three or four generations, but i remember well. that's when there were still such minsk dialogues. yes, this is the era of multi-vector. uh, those were western analysts who, well, china is not going to expand its activity somewhere, not the bloc status is the task of two centuries, the concentration on internal development. we said that the next generation was just the thirteenth, the twelfth thirteenth year, when these dolphins came or now they will have new geopolitical tasks. we see, the way it is, therefore, i think, i am convinced that china is preparing for global leadership and is almost ready

for it, uh, another question is how russia should feel when i think that china will offer russia this formula, which the americans and beijing offered to beijing then he abandoned it, this is 12, also somewhere back, the so-called g2, that is, the big two of the senior and junior leaders in the global. what kind of americans will be the main ones, and china will have its own sphere . i think that china is preparing again, we need to take a sober look at this. this is not bad, not good. china is preparing for such a formula of interaction with russia. the only thing is that they will not formulate it. as business americans know, uh, chewing gum. so let's okay. we'll be in our corporation . i am a senior partner. you are younger, they will say that our partnership is like tigers and a bear in the taiga, you won’t understand who is older, but there is a tiger, you will be a bear, we will share our taiga. i think it will be to tell them, but something like this, yes, and you know what else i would like to clarify with oleg europe actually

fell into a trap today, from which they themselves do not yet know how to get out. and if the way out, in principle, is absolutely solidarity with the united states of america on the russian question, pref. subordination to an older and stronger guarantor partner, for whom china is now a strategic rival for the next decade. although europe is a threat. he does not carry any challenge he doesn’t leave and europe could build absolutely friendly mutually beneficial relations, because it is extremely beneficial for her today, but why on earth should an older brother allow a younger brother to help someone who is in such a confrontation with him , what do you think about this? well , you know, i'm in my view of europe in principle, but a lot is said about this. it has been the main victim of, uh, the current economic crisis

especially in recent times, with germany's leading hmm automakers suffering uh its production, the united states - this says a lot, in principle, the united states is active in the current conditions, and it parasitizes just its european partners. uh, pulling the industry back to itself a significant degree of investment and this is aimed at, american financial policy and monetary policy, and the game with an increase in the interest rate of the federal reserve and so on, and in this situation, we see that the united states is conducting the most reindustrialization, that is, the resumption its industrial base. now e efforts from belarus to preserve of their industrial base, but justified themselves entirely. that is, as a show- although until recently we all talked about the fact that come on, there, let's bet to find. and there is also the service sector and so on financial services. uh, who needs this industrial borehole in the general digital world in the conditions of a serious uh military

confrontation, and then there will be all the same, uh, technological rivalry and all the same humanity. i'm sure he will be engaged in serious space. anyway, humanity will deal with its markets and so further. in this sense, industry plays a key role. so europe ceases to be definitively already, uh, the industrial innovation base, which it was turning into such a truly in the application. as for, actually, about china. well, here i just disagree with you a little about the challenge. it just seems to me that with russia, and not fangs in believing with russia, europe could have been harmonious . synergy, it was, in general, european well-being was based largely on e, cheap russian energy and access to the chinese market, but, but russia does not represent not though, now more and more. lira's conservative values, since europe has formulated anti-christian ultra-liberal values ​​there in russia, become a counterbalance, but in principle, it is china that is the

biological alternative to chinese society, the chinese system of relations between the individual and the state. well, i'll be honest. with all our great respect for the chinese family, the republic, even for me, is something completely different. thank you very much oleg participation in the program after a short pause , timofey bardacheva will join our broadcast. stay with us. all the most interesting is ahead. the sas program is authorized to declare it is in it that we are summing up the results of the year 2022. what do we remember about it and what forecasts will be made from the lips of our experts regarding the year 2023 timofey bardachev, program director of the club, valdai timofey, joins our discussion, but today we could not help but remember you and couldn't help but remember the lovely term you used. uh, regarding the roaring twenties.

after all, this is exactly what happens. again, such stories move in a spiral. tell me, please, your colleague fyodor lukyanov wrote the other day that the united states of america finally successfully instrumentalized ukraine and received in her person an unsinkable aircraft carrier that poses a chronic systemic threat to russia and, but the corresponding and strengthened did not begin yesterday, and we with the guests in the studio, we focused on this, and from the degree of infiltration of agents of american influence into the ukrainian government to the preparation of all mass of signs that such a course. here it was carried out for a long time and quite consistently. and in this sense, from the point of view of interest in the russian federation , it is not the start of a special operation that is a miss.

rather, it started too late. do you agree with this in russia, of course, there is such a point of view and very many authoritative experts, close states are still with my friend fedor aircraft carrier, in principle. it is solely in the ability of those who need to sink it to do it one way or another or there are no countries that cannot be subjected to a sufficiently consistent force impact for them to change their behavior or cease to exist. i understand that now, unfortunately, in relation to ukraine, the question stands in this way. ah. it is difficult to say

that americans are pleased to instrumentalize something there, because you know, history, as nikolaevich said to the site. history is not the sidewalk of nevsky prospekt, which goes straight and according to a preconceived plan. history is a rather chaotic process and plan something for the long term. here and to implement, but rather difficult. you understand that those events are drama. which took place in ukraine, but starting from the middle of the 2000s. they were associated with a huge number of internal factors, including the mistakes of the ukrainian leadership, and not exclusively with the product intentions of the americans; the americans know how to use this. well, in russia, too, sometimes he knows how to take advantage of the situation in crimea. russia also took advantage of the decrease in the population of donbass, see about the confrontation the new cold war between russia and the west

, and again they say the role of ukraine as a taran against russia, because how much such an approach really is, and the american strategy for years ahead, or as they fear in kiev, the american establishment is only determined to teach moscow a lesson but not to weaken its strong and not repelling entirely in light of the larger chinese threat we have just spoken about. well, what are you, well, are they some kind of gods, in order to get someone or not to get, and so it will turn out they will act. well, a battering ram in relation to russia in a sense. yes although, of course, it was rather weak before, in fact, and in the second world war, the soviet union fought on the us page. that was a strong strong ally. and now, as they say in russia, yes. now, if they only have ukraine. and what, we can be

opposed, so i still would not demonize like that. uh, american ladies, i mean, they kind of make us there, yes, they will fight, but this fight on our part is not some kind of fight . with the universal house, which itself always decides what to do. they, too, are subject to circumstances. and if the russian army there, the russian armed ones will demonstrate the most convincing pain. in ukraine, the americans will accept it. they fled from afghanistan. although they traveled to washington, the president of france, he was also well received there, and then they left him and fled, but let's be serious, on february 24 , 23-24, the americans were ready to flee the embassy to ukraine. well, we didn't succeed. and so it only depends from us, but not alone. yes, by the way, it can be said and noted that the current administration of the biden administration, taking

the embassy away, is transported to other regions, burning documentation, a lot of traces of their personal corruption using ukraine as an offshore for the united states of america was able to clean up all their bad deeds. if i may say so. yes, they think that these are not good kids, who, in general, have already been proven by the fact of the well-known case of publication in the american press. somewhere, of course. censorship, as in ukraine no, it hasn't been and probably won't be, because this is not a unique phenomenon. this is all a fact, but something else is important, and the united states of america is really ready to throw this suitcase away when the handle finally falls off the suitcase was not bad, it was very good to do. sorry from estonia from latvia from lithuania or even three together something like that is impossible poles are very rational. if they are offered

western ukraine, they will gladly return it, of course, money. yes, they will. and if they tell you, guys, well, you need to put 300 thousand for lvov you need it, but he won’t say no, we don’t need it. and here they really found people and found them leaders who are frankly brilliant in pr. but pr is part of the functions of the president, and he has now brought ukraine to such a situation that it will be impossible, in principle, to negotiate with russia and not only russia with a significant part of the world community, but it may well be that with the americans in 2 years 3 years 5 years. we will return to cold-cool relations and we will have some kind of business and some kind of politics, and we will each other occasionally step on the heels, but it will be more or less normal life in the style of the cold war. but with the kiev regime here

with this what kind of forecasts are there in general, any are based on three most important factors from my point of view in the near future, and the entire foreign political strategy of russia depends on them, these factors are simple. will the russian federation be able to liberate the entire donbass, the first factor of the second? will she be able to short? hands back, kherson and the third factor. will the russian army be able to enter zaporozhye, that is, in fact, will it be able to russia to ensure the main provisions of its constitution on the basis of the referenda that were held in september of this year, everything depends on this, if it succeeds in this one forecast, if it fails, this is a completely different forecast for the development of the situation, and it seems to me that we have touched on zelensky a in general, we really need ukraine, we analyze a lot and know the details there. especially our americanists of our washington politics are behind the scenes. which bakery is located, on which side street from fifth avenue, and what exactly smokes in that

room of the entire ministerial abbey. they are in another, this is all fine. one question, we have long painted ukraine as zelensky’s fail state, as a clown of oligarchs, as corrupt ukrainian creatures. but this state, nevertheless, is worth it, and yes, western aid is fighting against us throughout nato well, this is ukraine and these guys here, they go there and die. what is the mystery of this, what happened to ukraine in 8 years, if we can understand and analyze seriously and seriously , and then this will be the key to many further successes of the russian federations do you have any thoughts about what is the mystery about you know, uh, the countries of south asia there is such a horror- such a terrible phenomenon as children's begging, when children are stolen from their parents, their legs are cut off. and

after that, on the street they are forced to beg. the child causes pity a lot, well, tears, and thus these sadists, they earn money. it seems to me that ukraine , as a result of its internal development over the past 30 years, has found itself in a position where it does not have independence, but completely like such a crippled child will suffer various different troubles, but unfortunately, there is only one way out of such a situation. yes, this change in mind is a reality. not what is happening in ukraine is a fight for minds. this is a struggle for people to understand that the path chosen by this country is disastrous for anything in particular , i can not help but ask you the last extremely. an important question that interests me today, ukrainians turned out to be the second largest people in russia, as it was in the russian empire and in the soviet union

there is a minimum of 10 million. and that's how in modern realities, these people can again become the authors of the russian project, but leaving its narrow and dangerous framework, which sounds like this. for russians, it seems to me that it is already becoming. for us, this is now perceived as private, as outwardly familiar, but from my point of view. this is very good. better wrong. i would be present by people having a ukrainian state of birth in russia, education in various fields by all means, because this whether integration off the road with a healthy part of ukrainian society. thank you very much for your participation. and, of course , i would like to end our program with a positive note about the development of integration processes within the union state. russia belarus is more detailed in our story. belarus

and russia in minsk summed up the results of the integration year, noted the successful implementation of 28 programs and in general. agreed on all issues, the chief economy. russia is the main trading partner of belarus now, when from our market some of our western partners are really leaving for belarus , windows of opportunity are opening up for belarusian manufacturers and belarusian goods are going very well on the russian market. i will emphasize our countries, the closest allies and strategic partners of cooperation between which develops on the principles of mutual respect and consideration of interests from the point of view of the economy, perhaps the most important issue is the prices for gas and oil, as alexander lukashenko said belarus is satisfied with the results of the discussion with russia on the creation of a single of the gas market and pricing conditions for energy carriers for the next 3 years, all agreements have been reached, so the issue has been reached, but so far without details, we have fixed

our price, it is profitable. uh, length with russia helps a lot. in this plan. the issue of security was not left without attention alexander lukashenko thanked vladimir putin for helping our country. russia has supplied belarus with the s-400 complex and the iskander complex, which are already on combat duty. both leaders. also agreed to continue local military exercises. after all tension along the perimeter of the border of the union state, primarily in the west, causes concern. we have just made a very serious statement to the president of russia on the defense of security. let's be frank. we are able to defend our independence and sovereignty alone without russia . and in difficult times, he did not refuse. today they will howl putin has arrived, here someone is frightened. look after our

statements, but he went forward, as a native, as a person close to belarus, 2022 became a period of challenges for the two countries of belarus russia was subjected to serious sanctions and political pressure from the west. however, this only brought minsk and moscow closer. and as alexander lukashenko emphasized, if someone wants to break off relations today and drive klin into relations between belarus and russia, they will not succeed anyway. they will only get stronger, and today we have actually created a base today with the president and our colleagues. for my future leap forward completely. here, it was not for nothing that at the beginning of the program i said that all hope for moral authorities able to draw attention to their position. so i think for the republic and belarus, alexander lukashenko is such and, as it were, in general, we can characterize, the

event that happened in general for foreign policy and correctly, of course, the minsk meeting. eh, it's historical. from what point of view, firstly, do you know how presidents are able to keep the intrigue. we are in a hybrid war. he is a very tough opponent. uh, strategic initiative is important here . you capture when you you ensure the surprise of the action surprise for the opponents. look what they did, we said we would meet the day before, where shoigu came a couple of weeks before and it started, but they just sat in a puddle of hair. many western politicians are almost all commentators. it started from the fact that russia would capture belarus, a new attack on ukraine would begin. for the fact that this meeting does not mean anything at all. although, in general, this shows the level of their expertise, that this is no expertise that ordinary propaganda does not give out into the public space which aims to influence its public opinion and put pressure on us. they are

here with these stuffing, while the presidents are trying to put pressure on our public opinion. in this regard, they beat everyone. e. i think that's nikolai radch for us. it was obvious that it was the economic agenda that would come first, what needs to be analyzed, you need to watch real processes, the current models of the union state are absolutely unique, this is not the european union, and this is not the former soviet union this is a new matrix well, i will not argue with president. i am the base. this is not created now walks at the meeting. it was created before. but what happened, what is another major mistake. and another defeat of the west in the twentieth year, the goal of those who were behind the attempted coup d'état in belarus was to tear belarus away from and moreover, how to tear russia into the anti-belarusian coalition, because they wanted to do this and liberal agents within russia itself failed. and this only accelerated our integration in the twenty- second year, a special military operation did not lead to disunity, but to such a level

cohesion that didn't exist before. and we are the victory, here we somehow don’t talk very much lately and don’t like to focus attention, but in order not to jinx the current level of development of the union state of russia belarus on our victories, this is a real victory of the two peoples, of course, alexander lukashenko also has merit in this regard and vladimir putin is difficult to cross, whatever one may say, but still uh, with all the ideological differences between the western western establishment of the belarusian. it remains culturally and mentally, but rather purely european country. such russia is also a factor forcing moscow as well. ah, despite the presence, a and yet, the fantasy of certain eurasians who have taken it, to look for a new russian idea in asia, but still turn around to look for, that is, resistance. i would not say that these are

eurasian fantasies. it has the right to life, but also belarusians. after all, you know , western propaganda is somehow trying to make belarusians - these are europeans. russians, it seems, there is nothing like it, and we and ukrainians are part of the same east slavic civilization - this is described by all scientists, a toyn, bischpengler huntington danilevsky, by anyone who analyzed the civilizational approach and by these propagandists who declare, but deep thinkers, uh, who understood what they are talking about and understanding, but still both belarusians and russians remain europeans and russia - this is not asia and in europe but europe and asia we should not leave europe, we should give premieres in europe simple. example. that's when they say yes, well, what? many of our viewers will be able to name, let alone quote the classic chinese flavors nobody. i think rare people. yes, but everyone knows hugo deakins. everyone is well aware of learning chinese.