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. let me remind you that this is a program for those who want to better understand the world that is happening and understand how these events are happening. people will affect the life of everyone and the life of the country and today the release of the program is the final one in the cycle of the program casu is authorized. claim in 2022 . and the main task for us is to analyze and sum up the results of the outgoing year on december 27, 2019, the program director of the club. valdai timofey bardachev. he wrote about peaceful 2020 will be the last in a period of uncertainty in world politics. the most important players gradually

take their places, in front, the roaring twenties oh, how he turned out to be right the passing year filled the ears of all with the roar and roar of a new era of the former unipolar system international relations has sunk into oblivion, and it is being replaced by a much more complex and less stable multipolar order. all this is accompanied by huge military-political and socio-economic upheavals and changes. which of them were the most important in 2022, we will discuss today's program. i am glad to welcome vadim gegen, who is already present in our studio. chairman of the board of the belarusian society of knowledge , candidate of historical sciences, political scientist. hello and nikolai maratovich. mezhevich, director of the center for belarusian studies institutions of europe ran. hello. good afternoon, apart from that. i am glad to welcome in our studio the candidate of political sciences diplomat oleg voloshin is already present

. good evening. good evening, we begin our conversation with a blitz question, as they said during the pandemic. we have already reached the peak, or the worst is still ahead of the french started with a quote, mr. bardachev. i don't quite agree with her. this is a direct analogy with the twentieth century, the roaring twentieth then, after the roaring twenties, the formidable thirties came, so the twenties are formidable, because they started with a pandemic. the pandemic led to prominent protests of domestic political destabilization in many countries of the world and caused a new round of the economic crisis that no one had planned, and everyone expected that there would be a resolution. here is that old crisis that began in the eighth year in the usa and then it went well, just an unprecedented geopolitical confrontation with the hot phase of the war, and we have not reached the bottom in this regard, because there is no agreement on a

new world order. and a whole series of similar conflicts awaits us, moreover, as the ukrainian crisis. it is still far from being resolved, please, we are bringing france together, we are looking for acquaintances, not for the first year, and almost every time we meet, we say that well, the situation is extremely difficult and it will be even more difficult to speak ahead. we started this way back in the last decade, and in this sense, er, i will agree to or, conversely, pick to choose from. we have n't reached it because the current level of confrontation is not at all, uh, the peak. or vice versa, not the bottom at all. but we are now talking about a local conflict, it is local for the whole world. it is not local, maybe for us it passes at a thousand kilometers from the border of the republic of belarus and even more in relation to the russian federation, but i assure you. uh, 2/3 of the world. hmm well, they know this

conflict about the same as well knows that in the middle east for 70 years of various kinds of complexity. well, there it is now here, yes, that is, this is not a global conflict, but from our conflict to go into a global one, in principle, even in the latest conflict is much easier than in the middle east oleg do you agree with the position of experts and in your opinion the worst is yet to come, but you know, there are still living palaces from them. uh, probably a problem with the translation, but because the russian version does not accurately convey the meaning. i don't know the original termintis. that is, it was meant in the first place. a very turbulent period. ah, the growth of the culture of economic growth, and so on , indeed, which were observed 100 years ago, and in this sense, uh, then what is this, largely frozen, self-eating unipolar postmodern world. begins to finally break down gives liberates

many new creative forces. and you know, the crisis is not without reason in chinese uh, if i'm not mistaken in languages, it means both opportunities and problems. yes, and that is, it means with the same hieroglyph, that is, in fact, the roaring twenties - this does not mean that it is bad, therefore, in this sense, i just agree with mr. global conflict. what did you talk about, dear colleagues. you know how they remember one phrase when you predict the end of the world, you can to be right only once, because the global conflict, in fact, we would not analyze here. but there would simply be no one to analyze it. therefore, i think that in many ways, we have passed a certain peak in the sense that the great powers have shown the inadmissibility and use of unacceptability of those in power. at least. elite nuclear war between them. no matter what the stakes are , at the same time they are high. and this is the key , therefore, everything else, no matter how three, layers, the main thing is that you believe there will be no nuclear war. let's at least this, but a positive point at the end of the year, for our dear viewers , they will put, well, indeed, in the outgoing year, the

international. the relationship was full of interesting and dramatic events. we will remember each of them in turn and rather an important stage in 2022, which became precisely because of the start of a new cold war between russia and the west, which grew into a rather bright aggressive confrontation. please, let's remind our viewers of our story in more detail. after several decades of attempts by russia to first become part of the political west a. then, to find a formula for peaceful coexistence with him, relations between moscow and washington fell into a tailspin, the trigger was the start of hostilities in ukraine, but all the prerequisites for confrontation were created before that, it was not by chance that the united states and their allies took unprecedented measures in their attempts. undermining the russian economy of its political isolation. such decisions are not

prepared in a week by the european union, which for many decades grew rich due to access to cheap russian energy resources and acted at the forefront of dialogue with it this time, not just obediently supported, the united states well, and became the instigator of a number of the most radical places to arrest russian assets and funds of the central bank. blocking the property of rich russians banning russian citizens from entering a number of eu countries ending oat messages breaking cooperation in the field of cultural education attempts to exclude russian writers from university programs. this is not a complete list of what was resorted to in the west, even in relation to the ussr, many of these measures were not applied in russia in turn. this was seen as a reason for with the revision of the european-centric view of its historical path that has existed since the time of peter the great, simultaneously through the mass flight to the west of adherents of such a course, russian society has largely cleared itself of conductors of western meanings, culture, journalism and business. all this

will have the most far-reaching consequences. in any case, it is clear that the confrontation between russia and the west will not disappear anywhere, because it is generated by the desire to be the first to pursue its sovereign, largely neoliberal course in internal and external politics and the unwillingness of the latter to recognize the end of the era of the liberal world order. vadim, when a major military-political crisis does not see the end of the region, a request arises that is associated with the search for appeasement, which will work and, first of all, a request for leaders. today you could name those leaders who contributed, or at least. a thaw is possible in his relations between russia and the west. in fact, leaders are , after all, manifestations of a certain process. here again he was supported by the debatability of our communication, because the cold war did not start with a special military operation. it

is the result of a long and ongoing chain of events, the five-day war in georgia and then the maidan in ukraine, we have seen what is happening, er, and a number of other aspects. e, between e. here are these important milestones , and a lot of criticism. uh, like the leaders in the west were crushed, it is both justified and not very. well, who could have predicted there in the era of adenaura, which is no way. because a petty leader, but still what will appear willy brand, who will hold just such a position, will certainly appear. eh, bright characters in western politics are almost inevitable, but the character appears as a result of a certain public demand, what we see now is the result, but of negative selection over several generations. this is the result of such a notorious political correctness, which became the ideological accompaniment of the entire era of the unipolar world. in fact , political correctness, notorious - it was

part of such soft totalitarianism implanted both by the united states themselves, and by the insiders of the united states, this is a reflection of this neoliberal ideology gradually with the growth of the crisis. uh, this ideology will certainly appear and new leaders. we see during construction. say what is happening in eastern europe, we may like it or not, but then orban. and kaczynski is not a bright leader in poland . yes, he is our enemy, but nonetheless. so i think that not everything is as bad for europe as we sometimes talk about it, but oleg, we cannot do not talk about ukraine and i think you remember like no one else. what moods reigned in the public space by the end of 2021 ukraine was anything and a pawn, a bargaining chip on the stage, but not a self-sufficient subject of international relations. whose fate was determined by others for him and without him, and then many were convinced that if it

goes on like this, then in the new year the stage has the risk of turning into a theater of military operations, and so it came out. and you know, i want to remember the words of a very famous russian policy. nobody wanted to listen to us. so listen, now, as a ukrainian politician, no one wanted to listen to you either, but for you to answer now, was it in general. in 2022, a certain backlash is a chance for peace in relations between ukraine and russia, but i think that the entire analysis of the events of the previous ones, and the beginning of hostilities, is literally. there, the first days will deserve the very deepest close analysis of the study by historians and theorists of the history of international relations, as indeed one of such key crises modernity. and how, let's say, the same caribbean crisis is sorted out in detail there on a minute-by-minute schedule, who called who, who visited whom, but from what i

know and see very well, as a first approximation, and there was a chance for a peaceful settlement. even after the first tanks, roughly speaking, crossed the border and the first missiles flew, and such a calculation was obviously in moscow , but it’s another matter that in other capitals there was a different calculation, and let’s say this to me the day before. well, if i'm not mistaken. cobra we last year, when many in kiev, to put it mildly, are skeptical they were concerned with the prospect that everything would end with just such a conflict, but with a full-scale not just aggravation in the donbass, i was a big war, but one person from, let's say, close circles. uh, well, let's say about frank westerners who have serious contacts in the american developed community , he directly said that all decisions about this war were largely made and adopted by non-believers and not even in moscow, but made in the west. and as i literally remember the quote there was such a biden senate, roughly speaking, there, uh, will take steps that, well, let's put it this way

take putin to freedom, that is , this conflict was so beneficial for certain circles in the united states and in the west in general that in any case, uh, it could not be avoided. that is, they are not in any way pushed to it here, if well, this is again a long long conversation, but the key is the economy. here i am for literally another 30 seconds. i was talking to one the other day. eh, let's say. in general, not with a single russian politician, and my interlocutor cannot be attributed to conspiracy theorists. yes, in general, i don’t suffer from conspiracy theories, but arose. uh, surname rothschild, yes, the famous legendary family of financiers bankers in the context, just here are the interests in the same britain london and yes, and the west as a whole in this conflict, but the economic changes that are taking place in the world now in connection with uh with war in ukraine they deserve the most attention. almost by and large. i remember many saying the world has entered a crisis of overproduction. the economy stagnates to restart it. maybe

only a new big war, since nuclear war is fortunately impossible, that is, the third a world war is impossible second to the first, which largely spurred the economic growth of its years. also, the second world war was the way out of the recession. that is, now they have hurt such a war, maybe it will be somehow. if the stars are on fire. so, someone needs it, if hot spots appear on the map, and the world, then someone needs it too. i don’t know, here is nikolayevich, do you remember enough, uh, giving hope march 2022, when they talked about a possible truce, signing a truce between ukraine and russia, but then the main skirmishers, the protesting side, was precisely in the uk, and now 2022 was too bright, because the change in the elite of leaders took place very rapidly. and so everyone was convinced that it was the prime minister, who at that moment was, and the engine of all this military locomotive

, was soon replaced by a leaf of passion, now a rishanok, but in fact the uk ’s policy regarding the current one has not changed , because the head of mi-6 remained the same and many others, right? if you change e heads intelligence community at the same pace as prime ministers, then this also happens. yes, but still rare. i'm out of there to quit everyone who can walk. yes, and they will leave, in fact, of course, at the heart of the current political conflict is the military-political one. uh, lies the need to fold. yes, this is how it happens. people play cards and no one wants to throw them away. well, so to speak, and admit defeat, but if the lights go out. uh, the house falls on its side. yes, there is a convenient opportunity for everyone to get out somewhere in a new place, sit down to retake e-cards and start the game again under ukrainian. ah, crisis. all parties and even neutral

countries write down all their problems and all tasks. and to be honest, yes, we, too, because, but just come, uh, to our liberal wing in power and say that you guys are bad. why are we bad? yes, but prove yes , prove that gaidar's reforms or privatization are criminal, and such attempts were made. well, there is a not very convincing result. well, not very convincing to someone, not to someone. and here is all the position of all opponents of power is automatically e, visible through the gaps. but tell me, here is the recent visit of mr. zelensky to the white house and biden's statement that ukraine is ready. how can the world with russia perceive this in fact and the beginning of the war. uh, a special military operation. it was a trap, correctly described here, and now oleg spoke about it. uh, the americans and the british really wanted to draw

russia into this trap. by the way, i remember well the reaction, both in ukrainian society and in russia at the stage of negotiations in belarus then in istanbul it was not positive. and now, uh, here, this case letter is already biden's statement. eh, very interesting. they think they have sufficiently weakened russia. yes, they proclaim the ultimate goal. yes ultras. they always do that. these are the collapses of russia, but they themselves say they do not see the technology of this collapse. uh, so their task is to force russia to make some concessions to keep it. well, maybe there, crimea or donbass well, at the same time, force russia to recognize what was before she was not ready to recognize this membership of ukraine in nato, and so on, and thus lead to the isolation of further russia, lower its international status, disperse it with propaganda resources, that this is a defeat, tear russia away from china and switch. here on this region of the indo-pacific, what they actually declare,

we see this plan and if russia goes, but i hope that this will not happen. it will be a defeat. and by the way, you remembered china and i think it is extremely important now to remind our viewers that in 2022 the transition of china and the united states to open rivalry of details in our story was extremely clearly felt. in addition to the conflict between the west and russia, the relationship between the united states and china also falls under the definition of the new cold war, in official us strategic documents, china is seen as a long-term strategic competitor, and in the london declaration of nato from 2019 there was the first mention of problems related to the influence and international politics of china. based on this, the united states is pursuing several goals. washington is seeking to prevent further expanding chinese influence and in return establish their own behemonia an important role. in this confrontation, the visit of the speaker of the house

, us representatives nancy, played in taiwan as well . this literally meant support for the independence of the island and encroachment on integrity. china's response from beijing followed immediately according to xi jinping. china will continue to seek peaceful reunification with the islands. at the same time, it does not intend to announce the renunciation of the ability to use force against taiwan and those who will comprehend us the sovereignty of the country, in addition at a meeting to cut penis with dmitry medvedev , the chinese leader noted that china is ready to move closer to russia for the sake of more equitable global governance, according to political scientists, the strategic rivalry between the united states and china may develop into a multi-level global conflict, where the greatest danger will be lurking in the economic and military sphere. and indeed, the outgoing year was full of unpleasant surprises that deprived of hope and undermined the faith in the imminent exit of mankind

from the crisis of the systemic crisis. i would she said, and now with a light hand, naseem is an aleba. for several years now, such surprises have been called as in one french. tell me, please, and nikolaevich nancy pelosi is a black swan for the people's republic of china. do you think i would say so for the black swan? uh, well, it's not the same scale, even taking into account m-m formal positioning in the us political hierarchy, this is not at all a swan. how much is so gray, eh, but the chinese certainly heard the warning and made it conclusions, including those related to cooperation with russia at the rates of the americans, are absolutely obvious, but to tear us away from the chinese. thais from us, yes. our chinese friends rightly say that when world war ii began in your country, the japanese were already committing atrocities on our territory with might and main. and this is true for them war.

started much earlier. now it turns out, on the contrary, it starts with us, and china has time. i don’t know how long it’s been for a year and a half, but it’s obvious if they sell us something, as a compromise, what are we looking at, voronezh left krasnodar left. maybe even the crimea we can . there are also other names for smolendia. the biarmie is absolutely clear and understandable that they will offer us, we will refuse it . china this time will be taken advantage of and used now for uh, ensuring in the guarantee of internal stability. the armed forces, especially the navy, are growing. i would say at a fabulous pace

made a mistake. eh, but they'll understand. they are not now, but a little later, and most importantly, that the last visit, no matter how they comment on it, was like a state visit. medvedev or party visit. yes, you know, we here in the east know how to take off and put on these hats. and it is important that he was important, that he was important, which sounded because of mr. finin. and now, in contrast, how would you characterize the relationship between russia and china, are they allies or are they strategic partners? of course, for now they are not allies, but see here an important point, how the americans perceive this confrontation, the conflict with russia - it's more like, uh, they look like an annoying atavism all the time, this is the legacy of some soviet imperial ambitions, but they see it as peripheral. a conflict in which russia needs to quickly defeat in order to concentrate on its main enemy. they openly say this, china is the main enemy, but we do not need to be

offended by this, that the enemy underestimates you. just you need to use this, because the americans really made a huge strategic mistake. it will be included in the textbook. they simultaneously launched a fight with russia and the united states, and this was done, both by one administration and the other, as for medvedev's visit, but they, uh, nikolaevich did not know that st. petersburg. this is in our east. it seemed to me that you are , so to speak, closer to europe. that is the very window that peter i cut through. but the signals are really important. especially in chinese politics. look, yes, e medvedev is a former president. yes, this is a former prime minister, but he is now the deputy chairman of the russian security council and we are meeting with him . and if you look at the schedule of meetings, he does not meet with everyone. even far from being with all the heads of state governments, the fact that these negotiations took place is that they were so lengthy. there were

so many public statements in such an atmosphere. this confirms the conclusion that american analysts made and issued it to the public sphere that china finally decided and he will bet on russia, i do not know how much china believes, but i think, he hopes for the victory of russia but he definitely does not believe in her defeat. and this is strategically important. how to formalize it, as a partnership or an alliance. this is the second question at the moment , the very choice of china is important. and nihuer, does the russian political class have fears that the next generation of chinese leaders, being blinded by their power, will begin to show certain traits of a global hegemon, or is this not the goal at all ? next decade, people's republic of china you. theoretically, it can be assumed that the chinese try to play, uh, the american game, uh, there is one

superpower, and all the rest are somewhere two floors below, but, firstly, the chinese are perfectly able to learn lessons not only from their but also with someone else's history and i think that in a generation another is not before. we will see serious american losses and therefore, theoretically, somewhere in 3-4 generations, china may have some kind of temptation. but why in this case, to china, to spoil relations with russia, russia, to a certain extent, is covered by china, yes. well, let's go back to today. uh, i don’t know, in moscow the president’s coup was arrested. and zelensky is in the kremlin, blagoveshchensk, which, as you know, is located on the amur river, is renamed lvov amursky, and i will allow myself to ask such questions. and why is it our chinese friends? the kievan washington missiles were in the

immediate vicinity, in fact, right on the chinese border. it why e yes you you know, well first of all, i think it's not three or four generations, uh, okay, i remember. that's when there were still such minsk dialogues. yes , this is the era of multi-vector. uh, those were western analysts who, well, china is not going to expand its activity somewhere, not the bloc status is the task of two centuries, the concentration on internal development. we said that the next generation is just the thirteenth, the twelfth and thirteenth year, when all the dolphins came, so they will have new geopolitical tasks. we see that's the way it is yes, so i think, i'm convinced that china is preparing for global leadership and is almost ready for it, uh, another question is how russia should treat when. uh, i think that china will offer russia this formula, which was offered to beijing by the americans and beijing then refused it . uh, like the

americans will be in charge, and china will have its own sphere. i think that china is preparing again, we need to take a sober look at this. this is not bad, not good. china is preparing for such a formula for interaction with russia . the only thing is that they will not formulate it. as business americans know, uh, chewing gum. so let's okay . we'll be in our corporation. i am a senior partner. you are younger, they will say that our partnership is like a tiger and a bear in the taiga, you won’t understand who is older, but if you have a tiger, you will be a bear, we will share our taiga. i think it will be to tell them, but something like this, yes, you know what else i would like to clarify with oleg europe actually fell into a trap today, from which so far they they don't know how to get out. and if the way out, in principle, is absolutely solidarity with the united states of america on the russian question, pref. subordination to an older and more powerful guarantor partner, for which china

is today a strategic rival for the coming decades, although europe is a threat. he does not carry any and does not throw a challenge, and europe could build absolutely friendly mutually beneficial relations, because today it is extremely beneficial for her, but why on earth should an older brother allow a younger help someone who is in such a confrontation with him alet, what do you think about this? well , you know, i'm in my view of europe in principle, but a lot is said about this. recently, it has been the main victim, uh, of the ongoing economic crisis, especially when the leading automakers of hmm germany are transferring their production, the united states says a lot, in principle, the united states is active in the current conditions, but parasitizes just its european partners . uh, pulling back the industry

a significant degree of investment and this is what the us is aiming at, financial policy and credit monetary e, and the game with an increase in the interest rate of the fed, and so on and in this situation we see that the united states is doing the most reindustrialization, that is, the renewal of its industrial base. now, the efforts from belarus to preserve their industrial base, but justified themselves entirely. that is, as a show- although until recently we all talked about the fact that come on, there, let's bet to find. and there is also on the service sector and so on on financial services. uh, who needs this industrial borehole in the total figure of gdp is not in the conditions of a serious uh military confrontation, and then there will still be technological rivalry and all the same humanity. i'm sure he will be engaged in serious space. all the same, humanity will deal with its markets and so on. in this sense, industry plays a key role. so europe ceases to be completely already, uh, the industrial

innovation base, which it was turning into such a really application. as for, actually, about china. well, here i just disagree with you a little about the challenge. it just seems to me that with russia, and it doesn’t seem that they believe it with russia, europe could have harmonious energy, it was, in general, european welfare was based largely on e, cheap russian energy sources and access to the chinese market, and , but russia is not even though, now more and more. lira conservative values ​​as europe articulated anti-christian ultra-liberal there values ​​in russia become a counterbalance, but in principle, it is china that is the biological alternative to chinese society, the chinese system of relations between the individual and the state. well, i'll be honest. with all our great respect for the chinese family, the republic, even for me, is something completely different. thank you very much oleg for participating in the program after a short pause

, timofey bardacheva will join our broadcast. stay with us. all the most interesting is ahead. the program sas is authorized to declare it is in it that we sum up the results of the year 2022. what did we remember him for and what forecasts will be made from the lips of our experts regarding the year 2023 , timofey bardachev, the program director of the club, valdai timofey, joins our discussion, but today we could not help but remember you and could not help but remember the wonderful term that you used. uh, regarding the roaring twenties. after all, this is exactly what happens. again, such a story moves in a spiral. please tell me, your colleague fyodor lukyanov wrote the other day that the united states of america finally successfully instrumentalized

ukraine and received in her person an unsinkable aircraft carrier, which is a chronic system. the pose for russia, but after all , the corresponding and strengthened did not begin yesterday, and the guests in the studio and i focused on this, from the degree of infiltration of agents of american influence into the ukrainian government to training in the armed forces. there are many signs that such a course. here it was carried out for a long time and quite consistently , and in this sense, from the point of view of the interests of the russian federation, it is not the start of a special operation that is a blunder. but rather that she started too late. do you agree with this russia, of course, there is such a point of view and there are many authoritative experts. namely, that the social war of operations

began with my friend fyodor the aircraft carrier. it is solely in the ability of those who need to sink it to do it in one way or another, or there are no countries that cannot be subjected to sufficiently consistent force to change their behavior, or cease to exist, we understand that now, unfortunately in relation to ukraine a the question is thus. it is difficult to say that americans are pleased to instrumentalize something there , because you know, history, as nikolaevich said on the site. the story is not about the guy's avenue, which goes straight and in accordance with a premeditated plan. history is a rather

chaotic process to plan something for the long term. here it is quite difficult to implement. understand that those events. dramatic which took place in ukraine and, starting from the middle of the 2000s, they were associated with a huge number, including internal factors, of the mistakes of the ukrainian leadership, and not exclusively with the product intentions of the americans, the americans know how to use this. well, in russia, too, sometimes he knows how to use a lot of things. russia took advantage of the situation in crimea russia took advantage of the decrease in the population of donbass about confronting a new cold war between russia and the west and again speaking, the role of ukraine as a taran against russia, because how much such an approach really is, but an american strategy for years, forward or as they fear in kiev, the american establishment is determined only to teach moscow a lesson, but

not to weaken its strength and not completely pushing it away in the light of the more serious chinese threat that we just talked about. not get, and so it will work out for them and they will act. eh, well, a battering ram in relation to russia in some sense? yes although , of course, it was rather weak before, in fact, and in the second world war, the soviet union fought on the us page, this was a strong ally. and now, as they say in russia, yes, already crazy, like if they only have ukraine. and what, we can be opposed, so i still would not demonize the american one recently. that is, they seem to make us in time. yes, they themselves satisfy the struggle. but this struggle on our part is not with some sort of struggle with the universal corner, which itself

always decides what to do. they, too, are subject to circumstances. and if the russian army there, the russian armed ones will demonstrate the most convincing pain. on americans will accept it in ukraine. they fled afghanistan. although, uh, the president of france, they went to washington. here, too, they were well received, and then they left and fled, but let's be serious, on february 24 , 23-24, the americans were ready to flee the embassy to ukraine. well, we didn't succeed. and so that it depends only on us, but not alone. yes, by the way, it can be said and noted that the current administration of the biden administration, taking the embassy away, is transported to other regions, burning documentation, a lot of traces of their personal corruption of using ukraine as an offshore for the united states of america was able to clean up all its bad deeds. if i

may say so. yes, they think that these are good kids, who, in general, have already been proven by the fact of the well-known suitcase of publication in the american press. somewhere, of course. censorship, as in ukraine no, it hasn't been and probably won't be, because this is not a unique phenomenon. this is all a fact, but something else is important, and the united states of america is really ready to throw this suitcase away when the handle of the suitcase finally falls off was very good to do. sorry from estonia from latvia from lithuania or even three together something like that is impossible poles are very rational. if they are offered western ukraine with pleasure, of course, money. yes, they will. and if they tell you, guys, well, you need to put in 300 thousand for lvov, you need it, and if they don’t say no, we don’t need it. and here they really found people and found them a

leader who, in pr, is frankly brilliant. but pr is part of the president's functions, and he has now brought ukraine to such a situation that it will be impossible, in principle, to negotiate with russia and not only with russia, in principle, with a significant part of the world community, but it may well be that with the americans in 2 years, 3 years, 5 years. we will return to a cold-cool attitude and we will have some kind of business and some kind of politics and we will occasionally step on each other's heels, but it will be more or less normal life in the style of the cold war. but with the kyiv regime. here with such a simple one. in general, any forecasts are based on three most important factors with my point of view of the near future, and the entire foreign political strategy of russia depends on them, these factors are simple. will the russian federation be able to liberate the entire donbass

, the second factor? will she be able to short? hands back, kherson and the third factor. whether the russian army will be able to enter zaporozhye that is, in fact, whether russia will be able to ensure the main provisions of its constitution based on the referendums that were held in september of this year, everything depends on this, if it manages this one prediction, if it fails, this is completely a different forecast for the development of the situation, and it seems to me that we have touched on zelensky. in general, we need ukraine a lot, we analyze a lot and know the details there. especially our americanists of our washington lobby policy. which bakery is located, which side street off fifth avenue, and what exactly is being smoked in that room of the entire ministerial abbey. they are in another, this is all fine. one question, we have long painted ukraine as zelensky’s fail state, as a clown of oligarchs, as corrupt ukrainian creatures. but this state, nevertheless, is worth it and yes to you

western aid is fighting against us throughout nato ukrainian these are the guys, they go there and die. what is the mystery of this, what happened to ukraine in 8 years, if we can understand and analyze seriously seriously , and then this will be the key to many further successes of the russian federation. do you have any thoughts regarding what is the mystery you know, there is such a horror in pop culture in south asia - such a terrible phenomenon as children's begging, when children are stolen from their parents, their legs are cut off, and after this one is forced to beg in the street. the child causes pity a lot of tears and in this way. these sadists, they earn money. it seems to me that ukraine, as a result of its internal development over the past 30 years, has found itself in a situation where it does not

have independence, but completely, like such a crippled child, suffers various various troubles, but unfortunately, there is only one way out of this situation. yes, this change of mind is a reality. not what is happening in ukraine is a fight for the mind. this is a struggle for people to understand that the path chosen by this country is disastrous, i can’t help but ask you the last extremely important question that interests me today, the ukrainians turned out to be the second largest people in russia, as it was in the russian empire and in the soviet union we are talking about at least ten million, and that's how much in modern realities, these people can again become the authors of the russian project, but leaving its narrow and dangerous framework, which sounds like

this. for russians it seems to me that already becomes for us it is private now perceived as outwardly unusual, but from my point of view. this is very good. better wrong. i would be present by people who have a ukrainian state of birth in russia, education in various fields by all means, because this is really a reintegration from the road with a healthy part of ukrainian society. thank you very much for your participation. and, of course, i would like to end our program with a positive message about the development of integration processes within the framework of the union state russia belarus in more detail in our report of belarus and russia in minsk summed up the results of the integration year, noted the successful implementation of 28 programs and in general. agreed on all issues, the chief economy. russia is the main trading partner of belarus now, when some of our partners leave our market. the west

is really leaving for belarus , windows of opportunity are opening for belarusian manufacturers and belarusian goods are going very well on the russian market. i will emphasize our countries, closest allies and strategic partners cooperation between which develops on the principles of mutual respect and consideration of interests from the point of view of the economy, perhaps the most important issue is the price of gas and oil, as alexander lukashenko said for 3 years, all agreements on this issue have been reached, but so far without details. we fixed our price. she's profitable. uh, length with russia helps a lot in that regard. without the issue of security was also ignored. alexander lukashenko thanked vladimir putin for helping our country. russia has supplied belarus with the s-400 complex and the

iskander complex, which are already on combat duty. both leaders. also agreed to continue local military exercises. after all , the tension along the perimeter of the border of the union state, primarily in the west, causes concern. we just made a very serious statement. danger let's be honest. we are able alone without russia to defend our independence and sovereignty is not able. and in difficult times, he did not refuse. today, a platoon, putin arrived, here he scares someone. look after our statements here. and the wife went to meet, as a native, as a person close to belarus, 2022 became a period of challenges for the two countries, belarus-russia, were subjected to serious, sanctions and political pressure from the west however, this only brought

minsk and moscow closer and as alexander lukashenko emphasized if someone wants today they will not be able to break off relations and drive klin into relations between belarus and russia anyway. they will only get stronger, and the base today, in fact, today, together with the president and our colleagues, we have created a base for the future breakthrough, forward. we will make it. here, not in vain, at the beginning of the program, i said that all hope is for moral authorities capable of drawing attention to their position. so i think for the republic and belarus, alexander lukashenko is such, and how would the baby be characterized in general, the event that happened in general for foreign policy and correctly, of course, the minsk meeting. eh, it's historical. from what point of view, firstly, you know how presidents are able to keep the intrigue. we are in a hybrid war. he is a very tough

opponent. uh, strategic initiative is important here. you capture when you provide surprise for the enemy. look what they did, we said we would meet the day before, where shoigu came a couple of weeks before and it started, but they just sat in a puddle of hair. many western politicians are almost all commentators. there it began from the fact that russia would capture russia, a new one would begin attack on ukraine in order for this meeting to mean nothing at all. although, in general, this shows the level of their expertise, that this is no expertise that ordinary propaganda does not give out into the public space, which aims to influence its public opinion and put pressure on us. they are here with these stuffing, while the presidents are trying to put pressure on our public opinion. in this regard, they beat everyone. e. i think that's nikolai radch for us. it was obvious that it was the economic agenda it will be in the first place, what needs to be analyzed, you need to look real processes, the current models of the union state

are absolutely unique, this is not the european union, and this is not the former soviet union this is a new matrix well, i will not argue with the president. i am the base. this set up is not now walking this meeting. it was created before. but what happened, what is another major mistake. and another defeat of the west in the twentieth year, the goal of those who were behind the attempted coup d'etat in belarus was to tear belarus away from and moreover, how to tear having drawn russia into the anti-belarusian coalition, they wanted to do this, and liberal agents within russia itself did not succeed. and this only accelerated our integration in the twenty- second year, a special military operation did not lead to disunity, but to a level of unity that was not there before. and we are victory, here we somehow don’t talk very much lately and don’t like to focus attention, but in order not to jinx the current level of development of the union state of russia and belarus on our victories, this is a real

victory of the two peoples, of course, in this regard the merits of both alexander lukashenko and vladimir putin are difficult in front of whatever one may say, but still, uh, with all the ideological differences between the western western establishment of the belarusian. it remains in the cultural and mental, but rather in terms of a purely european country, such russia is also a useless factor to force moscow as well. still turn around to look for resistance. i wouldn't say it is eurasian fantasies. it has the right to life, but also belarusians. after all, you know , western propaganda is somehow trying to make belarusians - these are europeans. the russians, it seems, as there is nothing like it, and we and the ukrainians are part of the same east slavic civilization - this is described by all scientists, and toyn,

bischpengler huntington danilevsky by anyone who analyzed the civilizational approach to me by these propagandists who claim, but by deep thinkers, uh, who understood what they are talking about and understanding, but still both belarusians and russians remain europeans and russia - this is not asia and europe but europe and asia we must not leave europe we must give examples in europe simple. example. that's when they say yes, well, what? many of our viewers will be able to name, let alone quote classical chinese uh novels, no one. i think, well, rare people. yes, but everyone knows hugo deakins. everyone knows me very well. chinese language courses. if you want, it's still worth sending. well, this is just one example that shows our civilizational essence. we are europe but we are her friend europe thank you yes, it was a pity that this beautiful picture with two presidents was removed. i have replaced the symbolic row with two plasmas.

have returned. i have exclusive information. yesterday in warsaw, a well-known house, where the russians come to visit the belarusian position to cry together. yes, they called a brigade of plumbers reinforced. yes, because when they saw this photo, they blurred the ceilings between the floors and muddy streams flowed into the valley. yes, but, because, well, in my opinion, everything is said here. these are photographs on the background of the christmas tree even say what the presidents did not say in public space, but they can behave like this and so on. here are just allies, while there is one important thing. the republic of belarus has been an independent state for more than 30 years, building a union state. i have to say it again to everyone. this is not a process of merging states into one, harmonizing interests and building

policies on a whole range of issues that are of fundamental interest, so it is very wise not to jump ahead into a single currency. let's get it so that our currencies are better and there are more goods, there are more salaries. how will it be nominated? i think it's not so important. thanks to everyone who participated in today's discussion. these were the results of the year 2020, the second today's program sounded and forecasts for the coming year. i ask my colleagues to display the magnificent photo that i managed to display . and this is the signature. she touched me very carefully . dear and warmly, beloved viewers. i am happy new

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