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my name is sergei, i am a priest, my last name is neshbord, an icon painter. i would probably like to talk about the miracle of meeting this miracle in our life. well , maybe share some of your thoughts on this. hello

on the air program say, do not be silent in the studio victoria popova and tatiana shcherbina and at a party. today we have an icon painter, a priest father sergei negrbert. hello. hello , my desk is an interesting surname. you know the history of origin, in general, my last name. you know, like since childhood. here a person lives with some kind of things, they get used to it, they are not especially surprised, but already in childhood. i remember that whenever you are somewhere in some lists, your last name always raises certain questions . astonishment. here's what surprised me the most . i have a dad. so, his parents' relatives lived in the village. here is their last name. and so we arrived once only to dig. and plant potatoes and so i remember this spring or autumn morning. we are on a cart. so we come on horseback. there is such a

field. i perceive it as something completely different from the planet, in general we are coming, so there is such a field there, there is such a delimiter of sections and there is such a peg, the sky is written. i was in shock. it's just that for me it was generally like them, well, completely incompatible things. and what does it mean that this is their site? where are they digging? well, i'm just used to the fact that this is only my last name in general, and it was the name of my grandfather, well, according to my father. here is your first meeting with the icon took place, when you were 13 years old, yes, if i'm not mistaken, well, something like this soviet schoolboy pioneer is probably far from religion. in general, yes, how did you feel? do you remember those feelings when i first saw this image. terilia nicholas well, yes, i very often i generally return to this moment of my life, because, uh, it seems to me that at that moment something most important in my life happened. well, i experienced

some very very some. a very bright meeting that changed my whole life. and at that moment i felt, well, the closeness, in general, to god, about which i, of course, knew nothing at that moment, such a paradox yes, on the one hand, you don’t know anything, but on the other hand, you get some kind of fullness. the fullness of some e experience that only later, over the years, do you begin to realize in general what it was. well, it was some kind of surprise, and it was some kind of joy, some kind of quiet inner it was. well, such a real meeting with something like that, you know, uh, if it’s hard to describe it like that, then this is a meeting with something completely unfamiliar and at the same time deeply yours, such a feeling that you seem to have found it. well , myself, too, here in this meeting. somehow i don’t know how a calling. you feel

like you just want to do it. not well then, of course, i was also almost a child, and i , perhaps, did not think far, but, well, you know, such adolescence, probably, here, i now look at my children too, and although now the children of today are completely different. but nonetheless. adolescence is such a time when you suddenly begin to realize that something in life you need to find something to understand, probably, and you are in this search, and at that time it was. uh, i don’t remember what year the ninetieth is, probably, yes, it was in general some kind of completely different world, where everything was somehow very closed, or what? yes and at that moment, i saw this beauty, and it changed me and struck me as an artist of the future. yeah, i mean, well, i went to art school all the time. i was such an aspiring artist. yes, that's both as an artist and just as a person who suddenly met with something most important. here. well, when you

actually realized that you want to professionally engage in icons. probably after this, this is this, this is this meeting after this one, because i stopped by. this was the temple nicholas is amazing. and we went there with my grandmother together. in general, on her initiative. i would, probably, if it weren’t for her and didn’t go, probably, because somehow i didn’t burn. this is the first time. you were for the first time, yes, that is, the family did not insist grandmother that she wanted you to commune at that moment, she didn’t go to church very much, but she, well, you know how people like that happen, they are like - then internally still tuned, as it is in the church. and although she was not such a church person. here. well, we somehow got out of this to see and then, when they left and bought such a small reproduction of this icon. i kept trying to sketch it somehow, and through this , somehow gradually, so what struck me in

it, you know, the icon was such an academic letter of the late 19th century, probably even an oil painting. such a very kind, very kind. struck. yes, i don't know, that was the impression. rather, not even quite exactly like a work of art. i just felt it through this through this look. well, well, i had a feeling that i met god, you know, st. nicholas is such an elderly man, always such an imperious one. here, but i didn’t know at all who it was depicted. and i felt that it was god looking at me, you would believe, after listening to you that the icons are so, but in the sky yes, everything coincided with you, you know, after that i saw a lot of different icons and even this same icon. i then know about what for some time i got up to recall this experience and i think, let me find this icon in general. i have not experienced such an experience. yes, that is, as i understand it, there may be something exactly it was a little more than that. why not that it was some kind of special icon, that there

was some kind of special face there. maybe she was just like that, well, like everyone else. yes, but something something like that, you tried to redraw it, but you remember your first icon, so when you thought from concept to implementation at that moment there was nothing at all, there were no materials of any kind how icon-painting i will be now, it means that such a soviet schoolboy went to the library. i lived in brest it was such a good enough library. here he took, there books on art and well, and tried to unravel. there are recipes of some old masters. how are these boards made? something there wrote out understand. so, for me it was like, you know, the whole world. uh, in which i plunged. i dreamed that i had such a box. there they kept all sorts of canonical instruments, some similar brushes, everything is so ugly, but, but for me it was such a whole magical world. so i tried something. do it all it was very naive, very. how to say unprofessional. and it wasn't quite right away

, it was just an icon, it was some kind of attempt. and what did you copy reproductions there? i found some trying to somehow copy something, but quietly, quietly. he knows something, very much the plot of the film andrey rublev. tell me how rublev probably was a little different. we want to show the viewers a short video. let's get a look. first, the icon painter makes a drawing of a future icon, after the contour and main lines of the image are ready, then the background covered with high-quality gold leaf, thinner than a human hair, it is the golden background that symbolizes the radiance of the kingdom of heaven. paints for writing are used the same as in ancient times, made from

crushed minerals and semi-precious stones. scarlet cinnabar, cherry blue hematite and blue lapis lazuli will wilt. green is diaptas, glauconite malachite, these stones are mined by geologists in the mountains of the urals, where the earth contains minerals of bright colors, minerals. first they are crushed and ground, and then mixed with egg yolk. when the background gilded, then the icon painter begins to paint in color at the beginning, the darkest colors are laid, and the lighter ones are layered on top. it turns out that the icon is painted with light. that is, it turns out that without light in the soul you cannot write an icon . some time passes, and you start to look at a lot of things not quite, because

maybe it was at the beginning and there are some truisms such, yes, which here they are very beautiful in in form. they are very effective, they know everything related to the icon, it also knows a lot of myths, such yes, and they are not that they are completely invented, this is some kind of reality. well, the reality is already very, but poetic. and there is also the reality of such an everyday life of an icon painter, and in this reality everything is not so, everything is not so. everything, maybe, like in a fairy tale in some way. or there, in some such film, there are some very simple everyday things , of course. probably, a very difficult period in life is a craft. i understand that you also have orders. i also thought that well, the question is where do you get the plot and not it's always an inspiration. this is this hearing.

yes? here and now, i look at those people with whom we work, and in our workshop for more than 25 years. we are doing something together. you know, it's been more than twenty years. you see how much it happens about a person's life changes. yes, there is a period of some sort of ups and downs when everything is fine, when a person is more or less arranged, when he has health, when he has, you know, some kind of optimism and such a person. of course he will speak such very beautiful words with such burning eyes, you understand, this is one period, but sometimes there is a slightly different period, when when something happens in life, it may not be very good. yes, something starts to hurt when a human begins to face some difficult situations. and at this moment, for me, personally, it seems to me that it is during this period that it is very important, as a person, how can he resist? yes, if here, despite the fact that everything can be and is both difficult and

difficult and a person. still continues to work and continues to somehow believe continues to fight and here already i have such a feeling, sometimes it seems that there was a period when a person uh. well, how to say he created something yes, and then a certain period begins when he himself needs help. and here through the icon. it seems to me that through this work, through this kind of effort, he can somehow fight with himself to cope with the difficulties that occur in his life, so everything is not always so bright and rosy, so let 's say there was a period when you felt like you lost inspiration it's gone, what should i do? i'm generally human by nature. you know, this kind of self-digging is peculiar to me, some kind of eats. yes , even yes. and therefore, i have very different states even within one day. and here it’s not even inspiration, but in some really internal state, which yes, it happens, of course, do you have any recommendations on how to deal with this, because, well, for sure there are

people who, on the eve of the holiday, have someone then some kind of loss occurred, some kind of trouble, and everyone around rejoices, and it is necessary somehow continue to live to enjoy life, what to do the term that you said to resist. here's how to resist, you need to find, probably, that point of some kind of support, some kind of support, on which you can really rely on in your life. i think you know we are all very different and maybe human. you need to really understand yourself in general to understand your own. understand your life the features of your character, the features of your own. here is a personality of some kind and inside it is this experience to look for answers to questions, because for example, me too. i know sometimes you come across some kind of uh judgments, sometimes they let's say, well, let's say this is some very wise word of some very experienced person, but you feel that his experience is not quite. eh, applicable to

your situation. and then this word. it’s not so magical for you, you know , it doesn’t work as you would like, yes, but you know some simple, completely ordinary ordinary there, but it’s said precisely from the situation with very similarity, and it suddenly acts on you. you suddenly realize that you are resurrected like this. i think it's very important that a person has. she was such an internal one and nothing. such treasures would be kept there for a rainy day, yes, where could he, in case of some crises that happen in his life and in the lives of his loved ones, so that he could use these treasures like this, and therefore these treasures should be . we must be able to firstly find, and secondly bury. take speech, so that they are, in fact, blood. and here is the experience of such an internal one. such small

victories over despondency over fatigue over some bad experience like this. maybe very bright or maybe not very bright such meetings. eh, with god and with the grace of god. so i think that we know, it seems to me that our er, now people are very absent-minded. he is very careless. a huge amount of information is pouring on him around, and he is even in force of this particular flow. he suddenly ceases to perceive it somehow, and not only information, he ceases deeply. e in dumchevo to look at your life. she becomes some kind of endless flashing kaleidoscope like this. but it seems to me that it is very important that we still, despite this pace , this speed, this kind of busyness , so that we learn to be so attentive, and then we will see it . what are you looking at. that was difficult for me. it was hard for me, but at some point

, something clicked and something changed. and so we must be very careful, because if we do not notice this circumstance, we will not notice, we will run past, yes, then this experience will gradually disappear from our memory, and as if if you didn't, it happens very often. you know, a person begins to remember. here i will honestly share with you. i have such not that months, not that there are some periods. they are whole years, i remember. in general, what happened at that time and i don’t really remember, in general, to be honest, that is, very vaguely. well , yes, something like it was. and so specifically , to say that this is exactly the year. that's it, that's how to restore the events. yes, uh, i dived in the same way, but it happens, on the contrary, in the background. here are these pauses. yes, all of a sudden such a small star burns and you begin to remember. but what about in general? for some reason, you remember it so well, what

happened at that moment and suddenly you realize that, in general, you don’t really know anything like that, there’s no supernatural there. but there was something alive, something real, and this is real , if we all- we will still return to it, here, like this experience, here is mine, which is where we started the transfer. so i return to this experience. i understand that yes, at that moment the lord found me, he found me, how to say, as in the gospel. here he is calls his apostles. here at this moment. he called me to some special path in life and i, despite the fact that i may now be, not everything is so easy and joyful, not so. maybe a mastermind, as once i understand that no. but this is my way. i have to go further into the temple. this is the same thing with blood, yes, which is yes, and can an icon painter be an unbeliever? it's hard to imagine such a thing. i think it's different . here is his dynamic of his life. you know,

it happens that a person is on some e certain, we kind of look at it , perceive it. we see it in some fragment only. so before that and after that there is still some kind of movement, it happens that a person is on the path of gaining faith yes, that is, yes, today he seems to be, as it were, one might say, an unbeliever, but something in his soul was born . he began to think about something. he wants to understand something, if such people would be your workshop. yes, you know , not only that in our workshop, er, for some period of time, an icon-painting school existed at the workshop. where people used to go, uh who were interested in the icon, they were interested in it as art, as a special way of life, sometimes these people were already churched with some experience, and sometimes people even felt from the conversation that they were in essence. in general, they do. well, the very first steps in the temple. here and then here through training at school. they now feel

that something has changed us even a few people even. well, how would they come to the monastery after that. this influenced, therefore, of course, but when a person is already really working, when he is already an icon painter, but of course, in fact, he should be. uh, he's bound to lead some kind of church life, otherwise it'll be some kind of dissonance to what he's doing in his inner life. you say it's impossible. it's true. well, anything can happen, probably, but it seems to me that this is some kind of nonsense. it's like an unbelieving priest roughly. yes? that is, it can happen, of course, but it’s like it’s such a parody, i would say hmm let’s take a break for a while, i remind you, we have a telegram channel. say don't be silent. subscribe give questions and suggest guests. today we have an icon painter, priest sergei

nezhberg, father sergei, you are holding various conversations. uh, including with schoolchildren with teenagers with youth. let's watch a short video. what i would most like. today i would not like to tell you such common truths that you need to go to the temple, you need to go there, so, so to speak, you need something there to fight sin. i think that well maybe you 've heard them already. i don't think this will be news to you. you need to understand what is real. our life is, well, without without some inner content. it will start to become some kind of petty, some ordinary one, and i would like us to disagree with this emptiness, so that we still try to look for some other, well, depth of our life. what do you think, is it necessary or not? do you ever think about it or not? or for you, these are still abstract concepts. and

now we see the reaction of children, who, in principle, have the feeling that they are serving their service, that they generally remember it with horror, to be honest, how to get through to these schoolchildren who are more interested in spending time in a gadget than in a conversation. oh, you know me. there are only such pessimistic very, to be honest, such words here. so when i told, then about this meeting, i generally said that even if i died there , these eyes in these teenagers, then even then, probably, it would not shake them at first, i would have had the illusion that i somehow i’ll call them for some kind of conversation, that maybe they’ll somehow intrigue me there , they showed some tricks there, you know, that’s it, almost danced whatever you want, you know, in front of them. well, nothing is pierced. well, it seemed to me at the end. i don't know, it seemed like there might be twenty or twenty-

five, uh, young people out there out there that were there. maybe at least one. well, you can hear something like that and you know it. maybe it sunk somewhere into some depths of his soul. and, you see, maybe something will grow later. that's why maybe not everything is so hopeless, but of course, of course, yes, such an open dialogue. it didn't work and kind of. i write it off, well, on my failure as a speaker. yes, in part, yes, i understand that there really is a need for some kind of special one. maybe some part of my skills - i attribute this to a lack of some kind of spiritual abilities of my own. i think that if you came to this meeting, i don’t know, maybe sergius of radonezh or seraphim of sarov was there , it’s possible that even one of his appearances would have shaken their such indifference. here, of course, as a speaker, you perfectly slandered yourself. a tell me, whose initiative was it to hold this

meeting? that is, it was the schoolchildren who wanted it, or their parents, or as part of such an easter festival, joy, it was on in the palace of the bridge on kozlov well, yes, some kind of thing happened. in general, such a slightly strange situation, that is, when i was offered such a performance in general. so i thought, well, i should try. this is some kind of format that is also really needed, but i clarified several times that well, how much are these young people themselves interested in this meeting, but they told me that you are a father. they are burning with desire. they write questions, they sleep there and see. when, finally, i was still surprised, i thought, well, maybe there are all sorts of things. children are such children, they say it is mainly from such, uh, from some sunday schools they will be collected there. that is, these are some people who are more or less to the church. well, they know something. in general, it’s not that it’s just

such random students. yes, i think so again. well, okay, maybe, but then it happened. so, first of all, this it was a very very uncomfortable time very uncomfortable time it was even some. i think some kind of irony of fate. just that is. can you imagine the time after school, you can imagine, it was such a spring. so i remember, this spring day, such birds chirp and these poor schoolchildren after school , instead of running somewhere about their business, run along the street or he just drove them to rest, so this one came to this meeting, some kind of priest and let them talk about the meaning of life. i understand very well that if i were in their situations. i would probably also be so much wrong. here. maybe that's the problem, i think, no, i don't think so. no problem. in fact, it is very deep, very similar, and it seems to me that we are not completely, in general, we even want to admit it to ourselves. now, i'm looking at other priests that's

doing similar work. it seems to me that it’s just even scary to admit it to yourself that some kind of thing is actually happening. eh, this abyss is such a worldview. it is not only what it is, it is still expanding, it is deepening everything. it seems to be growing in scale. yes , and something must happen so that, you know, something like that, it just won’t work out like that. it’s just that you know to tell there about the christmas holiday or you know something else there, it’s all already happened, without even any lectures that yes, i did it and in the same way you correctly say how such and such one there gets grain, and in vain you are so pessimistic, because you know such mass character, i didn’t see anything else, everything was the same, and while i was at school there was also a class that wanted to run, uh, spring to the street, and do not

listen to any lecturer. you. well, uh, in vain so this experience is yours. i think you are traumatized. he's completely private. if you would meet the cool ones more often, like a class teacher. you would understand that this is a normal reaction. generally. today, you know, i was brought up on soviet films and in these soviet films very often. well, in life too. i somehow harbored the illusion that there are some. well, topics that you just have to talk about and a person, no matter how you want, doesn’t want to reach out. yes i had such an experience. yes, even in our gymnasium in our orthodox gi. mnazia, i was also invited to such a meeting. and there was a very small number of participants. there was there, well, almost 10 people. well, in general, these are already people there, that is, they enter the service there, they take communion, they confess, that is, they are well, in general, well, these are generally church. one might say, such youth. yes , i think i have such a thing, how can i say,

such a thing arose, i think, let's try to show such a film, uh, that would touch some such strings, you know, problematic such are the moods of teenagers, first love there , relations with parents, some kind of conflicts. well , here it is. well, for example, i remember me as a child. it's easy when you looked at this or saw it or encountered it. it could not leave me indifferent. i suddenly felt that it was about me, that it was about me, that it was something that i could not fully realize that, finally, something very important was touched upon. the topic here is all chemistry, physics. you see, some kind of magic bro laws newton but it's something like that, and here's something like that about the soul about me, right? and so i came with this film, you know, i turn it on. here is the worst thing, the same thing in general, people are sitting, there is no place at all, this time. and secondly, i also do not believe in the healing power of any movie lessons, it just seems to me that this is a little bit and

intersects with your personal experience. you have kids, right? you have adopted them and you are also watching. yes, now how they are growing before your eyes and also trying, probably, to find a bridge. yes understanding. this is difficult. very difficult, of course, very difficult due to various circumstances, due to the fact that every child’s age really gives rise to some new questions and problems, and it’s difficult that the world in which, uh, they, in which i live, but i i live, as it were, for a little while, as if in isolation, yes, that is, i’m not quite like that, how i am subject, perhaps , to such an influence of the current situation by the same phone as he is there, there’s something else, that is, it’s all there in my life, but it does not have such a fundamental effect on me values. i have formed. here, at some point and now, this is all, as if you know

how some asteroids hit me, but i don’t deviate from the course, my planet is too large to need something like this already, and they have the opposite, they are just being formed. and all this sets them somehow and, of course, i would like to somehow influence this too. yes. i understand that yes. i'm not competitive, there is conditionally some kind of tiktok or something else with which i'm well, not with all my desire, i ca n't beat him. yes, what is your advice? give to parents? yes in this way today how to captivate. in addition to humility, well, firstly, to understand in general to understand both yourself and your child and one person, you know, in general, i was very withdrawn in childhood. yes, that's basically what i am now. i didn't like to walk, i didn't like to walk at all. i used to come from school all day, go to art school and sit at home. so you were immediately in the modern instead of gadgets. you were in art school. and

there are people, on the contrary, such active loving acquaintances there, therefore, it seems to me, it is necessary find opportunities to interact. it seems to me that sometimes with a child, especially if it is older, someone needs to pull it out to take it with you. there's a backpack to go on some hike to burn, a fire to sit in the silence of the forest, and then maybe, uh, there will be some points of contact to snatch a skier from this one he is going to, he does not hear you. you can’t hear him to communicate, after all, but for this you need an environment. special in the situation in ready to advise here to bake to it. i advise this all the time. no no i mean to adopt children into orphans there, this way it is what for the same it is some special special experience, and someone needs it even just something his life is just, well, as you know, it seems to me that a person in life should find yours. here is a special way. he may be, well, quite individual, he may not be

what everyone does the same way. yes, but it’s bad when a person suddenly took up not quite his own. this is bad, that is, even when you took yours for yourself, it will also be difficult for you. it will be hard for you too. you will be there too there are different downfalls. but you will understand that it is still yours. and, well, it still seems to me that it will bring some result, so it’s so indiscriminate to advise everyone. you will not advise this, but really here. well, now, as a priest, i approach a person at confession, he consults. eh, what should he do? here is his life situation. he thinks that maybe he should move in this direction. well i i don't say yes or no i say that, oh well. let's find out about it be interested. i can advise you people with whom you can meet to talk, come to visit me. you know such worldly, in general, the difficulties that accompany us all, because we have it like a

code. what attitude they are miraculous they goals they attached them develop disappeared. how do you feel? here's to such a utilitarian relationship, how is it? no, they are, it’s not that the icons themselves are some kind of magical, probably magical magic or something. well, some meeting, probably with grace she changes god's, yes, and this meeting can happen through an icon and, in general, in any life situation. it might happen. we have one icon painter. eh, in general , the experience was interesting. he is his grace. god touched at the disco. that's it. yes, he was very, very far from the church of man at all. so he told this experience, that he really experienced some special one, in which he changed him in life. this is not at all appropriate for the situation, therefore, i think that here, of course, everything can be differently, right? but sometimes, of course, a person

has to go through such a desert. here, as the old testament, israel, here he came out of egypt , here he goes to the promised land. and on this path. there is a certain period of time, some period when you need to go through some kind of test and some special miracles may not happen at that moment, you don’t have to resist. we must go further. do you believe in the miraculous nature of eco. no wonder they are there people such places are new, that to them. well , of course, first of all, an icon. you understand this. we, uh, still say that through the icon a person turns to god. yes, from the image, he, as it were, turns to the first image. and that's what happened to me personally. this is a miracle in my life. it was. there was some kind of icon, you know. so you yourself say that then the second time you looked and did not experience any special emotions. and here i mean such ritual icons that are carried from the island to the mainland. brings a saucepan to your faith. let

it be to you, that is, if a person really has faith, again, like we in gospels. here. we read the gospel episode. here the lord is walking around him with a huge number of people, they are pushing him, they are shoving him. and suddenly some woman just touched the edge of his clothes and was healed. yeah, she 's alone, but there were different people around. maybe a lot of people were sick there. maybe they also wanted something, but for some reason it is. well, such a miracle. that is, i don’t think it’s possible like this, uh, with some kind of laws, such arithmetic, in some winter, it’s always described. a miracle is always some kind of special, therefore, yes it happens, and but with what kind of icon with what kind of person is it all mysterious, so christmas e. hmm , certain people like to give icons to their friends and relatives. how do you feel about such a tradition, of course, but if it is described as he is, yes, if

this is an icon painted with love, it carries beauty in itself, you know. some part of the human even here such warmth, which still, here i am, as an icon painter i will tell you, you paint an icon and you have some period of life, sometimes it is a month sometimes it's uh six months. sometimes even some longer period. if it is a large or complex icon, you are inextricably linked with this icon . you think about her day and night, you all live in your life situation, but still they are, as it were, a little bit apart. and you suddenly and you are completely in yourself, as if giving away. this is very similar, it seems to me, i don’t know, but for me such an association is like giving birth to a child, you understand? well, that is, it is a creative process, yes, which completely absorbs. yes and at some point, i

suddenly experienced this more than once. just yesterday it was. here is a part of you, some of your thoughts, some hopes, and then once the icon is painted and suddenly you feel, that’s it, it lives some kind of life of its own, and it seems to me that if, after all, icons written, like this, with such trepidation. and here we are, uh, giving it, and uh, the person who accepts the gift. he is not a believer. in such a situation, it is appropriate, but i think that if he accepts it, after all, after all, with some respect , you know, just an unnecessary thing, which then you don’t know where to put it, right? and yet, i think that gradually in his life something. change icons accept in any form. today there are new beads embroidered with rhinestones icons in general will try. well, i don't know, it's not very close to me. yes , because yes there is some kind of

traditional technology in the icon school, which has its own laws and its own characteristics, but again, here you understand how to relate to this. if a person sometimes brings an icon to a temple, an illuminator, made like this beaded there or something else, i have repeatedly seen how a person, what kind of love he is. he is there with such trepidation. this bag unfolds and gives to you. you see that as far as he is, this is also for him. it is expensive. i remember myself, how i also made some of my first such attempts at icon painting. now i understand that they, of course, are far from perfect, but for me these words of yours were very important. how did you take your first steps, and what about technology today? in the help and the plot , we saw that there are the ural stones right there. what do you think, in general, uh, progress. well , it’s showing, it has become easier for you to work in your craft, which is very difficult to compare then, because in fact these are completely different periods of life, which is different.

from now on there was a complete absence. e material base. yes, that is , we didn’t have any samples, no books, nothing at all, but there was such a youthful enthusiasm that was so serious that you still understand it? i'm feeling the impulse. here is the one that he is still here, like a light, you know some stars. here we have flared up and it goes through many thousands of years. yes, that is the same. here the impulse was so strong, and now, perhaps, this unpreparedness has come to replace, really some kind. you learn something more from you more materials. you have somehow adapted this technology to it. better yes, but of course, there may be such an impulse of such an impulse, it is not there, but maybe not worth it, it is strong, so everyone returns to crafting. yes, in crafting everything should be handmade. we want to feel again. this is it, these are the

emotions that you then experienced for the first time, of course. it's important it's very joyful when people still come who would like to paint icons, who would like to draw something to study to learn, and this surprises your workshop constantly people. you have a very popular monastery. it seems to me that everything is running its course. let's take a moment. let's take a break. after a short pause, we will return to this studio, while subscribe to our telegram channel. say don't be silent. you are looking for all our releases on the youtube channel, belarus one. be quiet, and we have an icon painter and priest sergei as our guest. no, you once told a very interesting incident from your life. let's look at the screen. i remember i had such a moment in my life i told everyone. i walked here when it was new, but it was already 10 or 15 years ago. and suddenly i see

a man walking towards me. i was walking in a cassock, this man is looking at me with such a look. i feel now. here, he probably wants to ask me something about the divine. well, because, basically, how and who else asks i'm the only one on this street here. i already know my chest is filling up from the air in order to answer him something so sacrilegious. and suddenly he comes closer to me and says they give beer there. i suddenly realize that in fact i perceive myself as a celestial, and a person sees something completely different in me. it is according to my physics that i am quite behind the beer. you just understand. and it really brings it down a bit. well, that's how often you get lowered to the ground. what is this for? not to get excited? yes, probably people of creative professions, and in general, we probably

tend to know such narcissism, some kind of looping itself, you know, in general, on ourselves. yes? and of course, it is saving when there is someone nearby who can bring you back to reality a little, yes, and this, of course, is very painful, very painful. so this is such a funny case, but there are such cases, of course, and not so funny, but, but then time passes, you realize that, well, probably, yes? it would still be good thank god that maybe it was, because otherwise you can just fly away somewhere. and it will not be unhealthy and so often you know it is very sad when you see a person. here he is, you knew him at some point in his life. you saw him, how something in him was so ordinary , normal, but something was alive, and then he got into some kind of, you know, some kind of conditional pedestal. maybe he’s not so big anymore and this fide has become huge, but now he seems to be something and something terrible happened to him. mm, i think the worst thing for a person of a creative profession, when this window that we talked about in the first part closes. after all, could it

be? why don't you feel anything when you enter the workshop. yes, this is also one of the hardest tests. have you already experienced it or are you constantly in good shape, you know? what can happen? well, you know, i, firstly, i have a secular art education. i studied first at an art school for four years, then at an art school after 4 years, then at an art academy for 6 years, and for all these this is the time of my training. eh, it 's actually this time, that's it, which was valuable, because you went through different periods during this time. indeed, at first there was some kind of enthusiasm, some kind of interest, then you lost this interest in that, regained it and and i really appreciate these years in general, because here is one of such the strongest of the hardest. it happened to me in the academy in the third year. in general, i had such a reputation as a very successful student. i always got good

grades. here and there something happened to me, understand? well, there were some circumstances. i suddenly realize that now i don’t understand at all how i need to write something. well, we have productions there and a semi-annual review of the work is exhibited and the teachers have to watch, put marks. i suddenly realize that something is not working for me . nothing works. i come. i try. i do everything somehow past such a crisis, yes it was. that's me and me, that's me, this reputation saved me, they didn't put me, thank you. god gave me a deuce, but so i got scolded a lot. well, somehow here and well , anyway, nothing has changed, and then, suddenly, i saw. uh, there in a valuable fund. we had such a valuable background, where works from the past were preserved. years i saw one work. she kind of surprised me. i began to look at her. and suddenly i felt that through this work. i can rise again

. you see, in this work. i found for myself some kind of island, for which you can somehow somehow cling to a thread, and i began to enter there, almost every day, then look at this work and feel. something. i somehow come to life, you know. and here is the work. i was pulled. i still remember this work with great warmth; the students of another work. yes , students. not even for a few years. she is older than me. that's interesting. i have already told this episode many times, but i say that it is very interesting that i do not personally know this person, but i know her name . now he even teaches at the academy. here, but i am grateful at all, you have no idea there is such a saying hmm. well, the expression is rather, uh, that in an airplane that flies into a zone of turbulence, there are no atheists. uh-huh well, that is, when a person is afraid, uh, when nothing depends on him. he comes. eh, to god

with some of your requests and wishes. here you have the answer to this question. why do people come more often? eh, to god precisely in times of some adversity and sadness and sorrow are they in joy? i think that first of all, not everyone in these times. many may be on the contrary, even lose the remnants of faith in some difficult trials. and yes, of course, even in church you are here, i sometimes look like that. who is who, in general , is present in the temple at all, what kind of people are they? maybe it's some super-successful businessmen there, you know. or is it, maybe some fashion models there or someone else? no, these are very often people who have experienced or are even now experiencing some kind of difficult period in their lives. i had one so i 'll share it. what episode was also such a moment when this happened during the service confessed and a woman came up, and somehow

i understood the essence that she was going to borovlyany now, he had another chemistry. she is in the fourth stage, as if she is young with cancer, she has a family. she has a human child. it 's like, well, these are very difficult situations in life, and she worries, even more than for herself. and for my loved ones, because i'm not standing next to me either. you see, right here, this grief, it is here, right here, as it were , unfolding before you in all its fullness. and what's more, what's in it grief is amazing what is striking is that, unlike other people who approached her before, there and after. she had so much life in her words in her eyes. it was such a life, you know, there was a feeling that i myself felt myself. uh, lifeless compared to her. although i'm standing in the temple. although i was there, it was such a very long service for many hours, she just ran in, just

drove in. and here is a man. that's not what i suddenly thought that if it weren't for this disease. could she be like this? a living person? i'm afraid that what can be and not? you see, this is what it is. unfortunately, sometimes there is a terrible price when he is on the verge of some human capabilities, suddenly, in an amazing way. suddenly, everything superfluous leaves his life, and only the most important thing remains for him, of course, it is much easier to live in this one, in this one, on some necessary parallel, because everything else, as it were, becomes unimportant at all, but for an ordinary person when everything is more or less good for him, on the contrary, he it is very difficult, because there is a lot of everything to the left, there and to the right, and there it is beautiful and it is good here, and there they are waiting for me, and even before this most important person. maybe just don't get there. well , nevertheless, there is a case when such a revelation comes at a disco, it happens that it

happens too. we meet with you on the eve of the christmas big holiday. how do you prepare yourself for it? fasting is all that is spiritual life. she you know, she is very wisely arranged in this regard. that is , if, probably, a secular person to tune in, you need some kind of special effort, then our church rhythm of worship, fasting of some holidays. he sets up so that in general the whole year he is divided into some special periods. there is a period. there, the entire pre-easter period before christmas, now you are living such a period, you understand that you really expect, probably, some kind of special grace, some kind of special joy. and although you have already grown up and there you are no longer a child. but this hmm, a little childish expectation is still a miracle, it remains. i think believer in this regard. eh, in a sense, it’s even more interesting to live with him in the life of this childhood, maybe

a little more. eh, that's why we do n't torture our parishioners, do we? oblige them with some kind of observance of fasts at 14. that's it, very people on their own, of course, and how do you deal with them ? well, say, is there something on the eve of christmas or not? or they don't ask you questions like that. people are different, of course. you know, there are parishioners who have many years of experience in life in the church sets them up. they are like fish in water. they feel very organic. they don't need any extra words. they live some kind of fullness of such a life, e.g. church life. and there are people, on the contrary, who really need some kind of support, some kind of hint. here they are for the first time in their lives decided to fast before christmas and how is it, and how is the family? how about at work? a? here they will call me to the new year's corporate party. how can i be? yes, there are actually many questions. well , we are probably trying to find the answer. yes

, you can not say that they know these answers collected in some directory. there you need to flip off the necessary page and that's it. no. perhaps you need to find this answer. well, it seems to me that, first of all, it is very important that a person really thoughtfully treats himself in his life and tries. eh, well, somehow search search. in general, that form, perhaps some kind of relationship with god that would suit him today, was very comfortable and harmonious with you today. in this studio, we felt like fish in water in a topic in which we know little, but we try to find it. thank you big. thank you very much for this meeting and merry christmas to you, father sergei, we tatyana shcherbina and victoria popova say goodbye for today. goodbye. goodbye. and now he says father sergei nizhgvard. i would like to congratulate you on the upcoming christmas holiday, wish you health, happiness, wish you this meeting such a

real miracle and despite those difficulties, there may be difficulties. the problems that exist in our lives today, so that we are still waiting for this meeting. yes we were waiting for this miracles and tried. well, somehow and share it and somehow yourself put this treasure in your treasury and keep it in your heart. happy holiday to you.

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