hello, on the air, the program , say, do not be silent in the studio, victoria popova and tatyana shcherbina and at a party. today we have an icon painter, a priest father sergei negrbert. hello. hello, the port name is interesting to me, you know the history of origin, in general, my last name. you know, like since childhood. here a person lives with some kind of things, they get used to it, they are not especially surprised, but already in childhood. i remember that whenever you are somewhere in some lists, your last name always raises certain questions of surprise. here but something else surprised me the most. i have a dad. so, his parents' relatives lived in the village. here is their last name. and so we arrived. one day, either to dig, or to

plant potatoes. and so i remember this such a spring or autumn morning, we are riding a cart. so we come on horseback. there is such a field. i perceive it as something completely different from the planet, in general we are coming, so there is such a field there, there is such a delimiter of sections and there is such a peg, the sky is written. i was shocked. just how was it for me? well, completely incompatible things. and what did that mean? well , that meant it was their land, where where are they digging? well, i'm just used to the fact that this is only my last name in general, and it was the name of my grandfather, well, according to my father. here's your first meeting with the icon took place, when you were 13 years old, yes, if i'm not mistaken, well, something like this soviet schoolboy pioneer, probably far from religion, in general, they even felt very much. do you remember those feelings when i first saw this image. villages of nicholas

well, yes, i often return to this moment in my life, because, uh, it seems to me that at that moment something most important in my life happened. well , i experienced some very very some. a very bright meeting that changed my whole life. and at that moment i felt, well, the proximity, in general, to god, about which i, of course, knew nothing at that moment, such a paradox yes, that on the one hand you don’t know anything, but on the other hand you get some kind of fullness fullness some kind of experience that only then, over the years, do you begin to realize in general what it was. well, it was some kind of surprise, and it was some kind of joy, some kind of such, quiet, inner it was. well, such a real meeting with something like that, you know, uh, if it’s difficult to describe it like that, then this is a meeting with something completely unfamiliar and at the same time deeply yours,

such a feeling that you seem to have found it. well , myself, too, here in this meeting. somehow i don’t know how a calling. you feel like you just want to do it. not well then, of course, i was also almost a child, and i may not have guessed so far, but you know, such adolescence, probably, here, i now look at my children too, and although now you believe they are not children, quite different. but nonetheless. adolescence is such a time when you suddenly begin to realize that something in life you need to find something to understand, probably, and you are in this search, and at that time it was. uh, i don’t remember what year the ninetieth is, probably, yes, it was in general some kind of completely different world, where everything was somehow very closed, or what? yes and at that moment, i saw this beauty, and it changed me and struck me as an artist of the future. yeah, i mean, well, i went to

art school all the time. i was such an aspiring artist. yes, that's both as an artist and just as a person who suddenly met with something most important. here. well, when you actually realized that you want to professionally engage in icons. probably after this, this is this, this is this meeting after this one, because i stopped by. this was the temple nicholas is amazing. and we went there with my grandmother together. in general, on her initiative. i would, probably, if it weren’t for her and didn’t go, probably, because somehow i didn’t burn. this is the first time. yes, that is, the family did not insist. grandma didn’t want you to commune at that moment, she didn’t go to church very much, but she, well , you know how people like that happen, they are somehow internally still attuned, uh, somehow to the church. and although she was not such a church person. well, i'm not quite at all. hmm. yes, i was not baptized as a child. here. well, we are from somehow they came in to see it and then, when they

left, they bought such a small reproduction of this icon. i kept trying to sketch it somehow, and through this, somehow gradually, so what struck me in it, you know, the icon was such an academic letter of the late 19th century, probably even an oil painting. such a very kind, very kind. struck. yes, i don't know, that was the impression. rather, not even quite exactly like a work of art. i just felt it through this through this look. well, well, i had the feeling that i i met god, you know, st. nicholas is an elderly man, always such an imperious one. here, of course, i did not know at all who it was depicted. i felt that it was god looking at me, after listening to you that the icons were so, but into the sky, you know, after that i saw a lot of different icons, and even this same icon. i then know about what for a while i got up to recall this experience. think. yes, i will find what i will find this icon. i have not experienced such an experience. yes, that is, as i

understand it, there may be something exactly it was a little more than this, than not that it was some kind of special icon, that there was some kind of special face no. maybe she was just like that, well, like everyone else. yes, but something something like that, you tried to re-give it, but you remember your first icon, so when you had an idea from idea to implementation at that moment there was nothing at all, there wasn’t any materials being such an icon-painter, i, therefore, went to the library as such a soviet schoolboy. i lived in brest, it was like this a pretty good library. here he took, there books on art and well, and tried to unravel. there are recipes of some old masters. how are these boards made? something there wrote out understand. so, for me it was like , you know, the whole world. uh, in which i plunged. i dreamed that i had such a box. there they kept all sorts of canonical instruments, some similar brushes, everything

is so ugly, but, but for me it was such a whole magical world. so i tried to do something. it was all very naive very, how to say unprofessional. and it wasn't all at once. here is the icon. it was some sort of attempt. and what did you copy where you found some products, tried to somehow copy something, well, quietly, quietly, something. he knows, the very plot of the film andrey is cutting, probably, it was a little different. we want to show the viewers a short video. let's get a look. first , the icon painter makes a drawing of the future icon , after the contour and main lines of the image are ready, then the background is covered with gold leaf of a high standard, thinner than a human hair, it is the golden background that symbolizes the radiance of the kingdom of heaven. paints for writing

are used the same as in antiquity, made from crushed minerals and semi-precious stones scarlet cinnabar blue and blue lapis lazuli viviant. green - this is dioptas glauconite malachite, these stones are mined by geologists in the mountains of the urals, where the earth contains minerals of bright colors, minerals. first they are crushed and ground, and then mixed with egg yolk. when the background is gilded, the icon painter begins to paint in color at the beginning the darkest colors are laid, and the lighter ones are layered on top. it turns out that the icon is painted with light. that is, it turns out that without light in the

soul you cannot write an icon. some time passes, and you start to look at a lot of things not quite, because maybe it was at the beginning and there are some truisms such, yes, which here they are very beautiful in in form. they are very knowledgeable about everything related to the icon, they also know a lot of myths, such, yes, and they are not that they are completely invented, this is reality some. well, the reality is already very, but poetic. and there is also the reality of such an everyday life of an icon painter, and in this reality everything is not so, everything is not so. everything, maybe, like in a fairy tale in some way. or there, in some such film, there are some very simple everyday things, of course. probably, a very difficult period in life is a craft. i understand that you also have orders. i also thought that well, the

question is where do you get the plot from and this is not always inspiration. it is always listening. yes, here it is here, i look at those people with whom we work, and in our workshop for more than 25 years. we are doing something together. you know, it's been more than twenty years. you see how much it happens, and a person's life changes. yes, there is a period of some ups and downs when everything is fine, when everything is more or less arranged for a person, when he has health, when he has, you know, some kind of optimism and such a person. he, of course, will say such very beautiful words with such burning eyes. you understand, this is one period, but sometimes there is a slightly different period, when when something happens in life, it may not be very good. yes, something starts to hurt when a human begins to face some difficult situations. and at this moment, for me, personally, it seems to me that it is during

this period that it is very important, as a person, how can he resist? yes, if here, despite the fact that everything can be and is both difficult and difficult and a person. still continues to work and continues to somehow believe continues to fight and here i already have a feeling, sometimes it seems that there was a period when a person uh. well, how to say he created something yes, and then a certain period begins when he himself needs help. and now through the icon. it seems to me that through this work, through this kind of effort, he can somehow fight with himself to cope with the difficulties that occur in his life, so everything is not always so bright and joyful, let's say there was a period when you it seemed like you lost inspiration here it is gone that do? i'm generally human by nature. you know , such a little self-digging is peculiar to me, some kind of self-criticism, even yes. and so i have very different states even during one day. and here it’s not even inspiration, but in some

really internal state, which yes, it happens, of course, do you have any recommendations on how to deal with this, because, well, for sure there are people who, on the eve of the holiday, have someone then some kind of loss occurred, some kind of trouble, and everyone around rejoices, and one must somehow continue to live to enjoy life, what to do the term that you said to resist. here's how to resist, you need to find, probably, that point of some kind of support, some kind of support, on which you can really rely on in your life. i think you know we are all very different and maybe human. you need to really understand yourself in general to understand your own. understand your life the features of your character, the features of your own. here is a personality of some kind and inside it is this experience to look for answers to questions, because for example, me too. i know sometimes you run into some kind of uh judgments, sometimes they let's say, well, let's say this is some very

wise word of some very experienced person, but you feel that his experience is not quite. eh, applicable to your situation. and then this word. it’s not so magical for you, you know, uh, it doesn’t work as you would like, yes, but you know some simple, completely ordinary, ordinary there, but it’s said precisely from a situation of very similarity that it suddenly affects you. you suddenly realize that you are resurrected like this. i think it's very important that you there was a person. she was such an inner one of her own and nothing like that. treasures for a rainy day, yes, where could he in the event of some crises that happen in his life and in the lives of his loved ones, so that he could use these treasures like that, and therefore these treasures are necessary. you have to be able to find it first. secondly, so that they were that's what

blood is, but the experience of e is such an internal one. such small victories over despondency over fatigue over some kind of misfortune is such an experience. maybe very bright or maybe not very bright, such meetings, uh with god and with the grace of god here i think you know, it seems to me that our er, present time people are very distracted. he is very careless. a huge amount of information is pouring on him around, and he is even in force of this particular flow. he suddenly ceases to perceive it somehow and not only information, he ceases deeply. uh, take a thoughtful look at your life. it becomes some kind of endless flashing kaleidoscope like that. but it seems to me that it is very important that we still, despite this tempo on this speed for this kind of employment of ours,

so that we learn to be so attentive, and then we will make out we will make out. what are you looking at. that was difficult for me. it was hard for me, but at some point , something clicked and something changed. and so we must be very careful, because if we don’t notice this circumstance, we don’t notice, we’ll run past, yes, then this experience will gradually leave our memory, and as if you didn’t exist, it happens very often. you know, here is a man who is beginning to remember. here i will honestly share with you. i have such not that months, not that there are some periods. they are whole years, i remember. in general, what happened at that time and i don’t really remember, in general, to be honest, that is, very vaguely. well , yes, something like it was. and so specifically , to say that this is exactly the year. that's what's so restored by events. yes, uh, i dived in the same way, but it happens, on the contrary,

in the background. here are these pauses. yes, suddenly some very small star is burning and you begin to remember. but what about in general? for some reason, she remembered so you what happened at that moment and suddenly you realize that, in general, you don’t really know anything like that, there’s no supernatural there, but there was something alive, something real, and this is real, if we still come back to it, here, like this experience, here's mine which here we are, where we started the transmission. so i return to this experience. i understand that yes, at that moment the lord found me, he found me, how to say, as in the gospel. here he calls his apostles. here at this moment. he called me to some special path in life and i, despite the fact that i may be now, not everything is so easy and joyfully not so. maybe inspiring, as i once understood that it wasn't. but this is my way. i have to go further in the temple, this is the very treasure, yes, which is yes for me, and can

there be an icon painting with her by a believer it is difficult to imagine such a thing. i think it's different. here is his speaker and his life. you know, it happens that a person is at some certain e, we kind of look at him , perceive him. we see him in some fragment only. so before that and after that there is still some kind of movement, it happens that a person is on the path of gaining faith yes, that is, yes, today he seems to be, as it were, one might say, an unbeliever, but something in his soul was born . he began to think about something. he wants to understand something, were you your workshop such people. yes, you know , not only that in our workshop, er, for some period of time, an icon-painting school existed at the workshop. where did people come, uh, who were interested in the icon, they were interested in it, as art, as some kind of special way of life, sometimes these people were already churched with some experience, and sometimes people even felt from the conversation that they were in essence. in general, they do. well, the very

first steps in the temple. here and then here through training at school. they here felt that something was changing us even a few people even. well, how would they come to the monastery after that. this influenced, therefore, of course, but when a person is already really working, when he is already an icon painter, but of course, in fact, he should be. uh, he's sure to lead some church life, otherwise it will be some kind of dissonance with what he is doing in his inner life. still. you say it's impossible. yes, anything can happen, probably, but it seems to me that this is some kind of nonsense. it's like an unbelieving priest roughly. yes? that is, it can happen, of course, but it’s like it’s such a parody, i would say hmm let’s take a break for a while, i remind you, we have a telegram channel. say don't be silent. subscribe ask questions and suggest guests. walk around

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like. today i would not like to tell you such common truths that you need to go to the temple, you need to go there, so, so to speak, you need something there to fight sin. i think uh, well maybe you've heard them already? i don't think this will be news to you. you need to understand what is real. our life is it, but without any inner content. she becomes empty, becomes some kind of small, some ordinary and i would like, so that we do not agree with this emptiness, so that we still try to look for some other, well, depth of our life. what do you think, is it necessary or not? do you ever think about it or not? or for you, these are still abstract concepts. and now we see the reaction of children, who, in principle, have the feeling that they are serving their service, that they are the most desirable thing in general, i remember it with horror, to be honest, how to reach out to these

schoolchildren who are more interested in spending time in a gadget than in a conversation . oh, you know me. there are only such pessimistic very, to be honest, such words here. so when i told, then about this meeting, i generally said that even if i had died there in front of these teenagers, then, probably, it would not have shaken them at first. i would have illusions that i would somehow call them to some kind of conversation, which might somehow intrigue them there. there i showed them some tricks, you know, well, everything you want was almost dancing there, you know, in front of them. well, it's not we break through it, yes, well, it seemed to me at the end. i don't know, it seemed like there might be twenty or twenty- five, uh, young people out there out there that were there. maybe at least one. well , maybe you heard something like that and you know it. maybe you’ve sunk somewhere into some depths of him, strangling him. maybe then something will sprout,

so maybe not everything is so hopeless, but of course, of course, yes, such an open dialogue. it didn't work, in part. i write it off, well, on my failure as a speaker. yes, in part, yes, i understand that here you really need some kind of special and some. maybe some kind of skill . i attribute this to the lack of such spiritual capabilities of some kind. i think that if sergius of radonezh or seraphim of sarov had come to this meeting, i don’t know, it’s possible that even one of his appearances would have shaken their such indifference. here, of course, as a speaker you are fine to slander yourself. and tell me, whose initiative was it to hold this meeting? that is, these are schoolchildren who wanted to or their parents or ne- within the framework of walking within the framework of such an easter festival, joy, it was on in the

palace of the bridge on kozlov well, yes, some kind of thing happened. in general, such a slightly strange situation, that is, when i was offered such a performance in general. so i thought, well, i should try. this is such a format that is also really needed, but i clarified several times that well, how much these young people themselves are interested in this meeting, but i was told that you are a priest . they are burning with desire. they write questions they are there sleep and see. when, finally, i was still surprised, i thought, well, maybe, you never know all sorts of things happen. children are such children, they say it is mainly from such, uh, from some sunday schools they will be collected there. that is, these are some people who are more or less to the church . well, they don’t know something. in general, it’s not that it’s just such random students. yes, i think so again. well, okay, maybe, but then it happened. so, first of all, it was a very, very uncomfortable time, a very uncomfortable time. it was even

some. i think some kind of irony fate. just that is. can you imagine the time after school, you can imagine, it was such a spring. so i remember, this spring day, such birds chirp and these poor schoolchildren after school, instead of running somewhere about their business, run down the street or they just drove them there to rest, so this one came to this meeting, some kind of priest and let them talk about the meaning of life. i understand very well that if i were in their situation, i would probably be so much wrong too. that's it in this and there is a problem that no i don't think so. no problem. in fact, it is very deep, very similar, and it seems to me that we are not completely, in general, we even want to admit it to ourselves. now, i'm looking at other priests that's doing similar work. it seems to me that it’s just even scary to admit it to yourself that some kind of thing is actually happening. eh, this abyss is such a worldview. it is not only what it

is, it is still expanding, it is deepening everything. it seems to be growing in scale. yes , and something has to happen to, well, something you know, it just won't work. it’s just that you know to tell there about the christmas holiday or you know something else there, it’s all already happened, without even any lectures that yes, i did it and in the same way you correctly say how such and such one there gets grain, and in vain you are so pessimistic, because you know such a mass character, i didn’t see anything else, everything was the same, and while i was at school there was also a class that wanted to run, e.g., to the street in the spring, and not listen to anyone lecturer. you. well, uh, in vain so this experience mine. i think you are being dramatic. he 's completely private. if you would meet the cool ones more often, like a class

teacher. you would understand that this is a normal reaction. generally. today, you know, i was brought up on soviet films and in these soviet films very often. well, in life too. i somehow harbored the illusion that there are some. well, topics that you just have to talk about and a person, no matter how you want, doesn’t want to reach out. yes, i had that experience. yes, even in our gymnasium in our orthodox gi. mnasia, me too invited to such a meeting. and there was a very small number of participants. there was there, well, almost 10 people. but in general , these are already people there, that is, they enter the service there, they take communion, they confess, that is, they are well, in general, well, these are generally church. one might say, such youth. yes , i think i have such, how to say, i have such a think, let's try to show such a film, uh, which would touch some such strings, you know, problematic ones. such, uh, mood. here are teenagers. first love is there

relationship with parents some conflicts. well , here it is. well, for example, i remember me as a child. it's easy when you watch this or video or come across this. it could not leave me indifferent. i suddenly felt that it was about me, that it was about me, that it was something that i could not fully realize that, finally, something very important was touched upon. the topic here is all chemistry, physics. you see, some kind of magic bro newton's laws but it's something, but what is it about the soul about me, right? and here i come with this movie, you know, i turn it on. here is the worst thing, the same thing in general, people are sitting, it’s not a place at all, this is the second and the second, uh, i also don’t believe in the healing power of any cinema lessons, it just seems to me that this overlaps a little with your personal experience. you have kids, right? you have adopted them and you are also watching. yes, now how they are growing before your eyes and also trying, probably, to find a bridge. yes

understanding. this is difficult. very difficult, of course, very. well, it’s generally difficult here due to various circumstances due to the fact that that really, every age of a child, he gives rise to some new questions and problems, and it’s difficult that the world in which, uh, they, in which i live, but i live, as it were , a little bit, as if still isolated, yes, then i'm not quite here, how susceptible, perhaps, to such an influence of the current situation. the same to some internet there by phone there or something else. that is, all this is in my life, but it does not have such a fundamental meaning for me. i have formed. here in some period and now it's all like if you know how some asteroids hit me, but i don’t deviate from the course, my planet is too big to need something like that, but they have the opposite, they are just being formed. and all this sets

them somehow and, of course, i would like to somehow influence this too. yes. i understand that yes. i'm not competitive, there is conditionally some kind of tiktok or something else with which i'm well, not with all my desire, i ca n't beat him. well, what advice would you give to parents? yes, in this way today, how to captivate. in addition to humility, well, firstly, to understand in general to understand both yourself and your child and one person, you know, in general, i was very withdrawn in childhood. yes, that's basically what i am now. i didn't like to walk, i didn't like to walk at all. i used to come from school all day, go to art school and sit at home. so you were immediately modern instead of a gadget. you were in art school. and there are people, on the contrary, such active loving acquaintances there, therefore, it seems to me, it is necessary to find opportunities for interaction. to me it seems that sometimes with a child, especially if it is older, someone needs to pull it out to take it with you. there, a backpack to go on

some kind of hike to burn, a fire to sit in the silence of the forest, and then, maybe there will be some points of contact to snatch a person from skiing from this one in which he rides, he does not hear you. you don’t hear him, but still communicate, and for this you need a special environment, we are ready to advise you to bake it. i advise this all the time. no. no, i mean to adopt orphans. there's this way he's what for special some kind of special experience, and someone needs it, even just something, his life is just, well, as you know, it seems to me that a person in life should find his own. here is a special way. he may be, well, quite individual, he may not be what everyone does the same way. yes , but it’s bad when a person suddenly took up not quite his own. this is bad, that is, even when you took yours for yourself, it will also be difficult for you. it will be hard for you too. you will also

be there, you will have different declines there. but it's you who will understand that it's all the same your. and, well, it still seems to me that it will bring some result, so it ’s so indiscriminate to advise everyone. you will not advise this, but really here. well, here, i, as a priest, i am under your man in confession , he consults. eh, what should he do? here is his life situation. he thinks that maybe he should move in this direction. well i i don't say yes or no i say that, oh well. let's get to know about it . i can advise you people to meet and talk to, come visit me. you know such worldly difficulties, in general, that we all have to wait for, because we have some kind of relationship with the kygon. they are miraculous, they are the goals attached and developed. how do you feel about such a utilitarian relationship

? well, some kind of meeting, probably, with the grace of god, it changes, yes, but this meeting can happen through an icon and, in general, in any life situation. this may happen. we have one icon painter. eh, in general, the experience was interesting. he is his grace. god touched at the disco. that 's it. yes, he was so very far from the church of man in general. so he told this experience, that he really experienced some kind of special one that changed him in life. this is not at all appropriate for the situation, therefore, i think that here, of course, everything can be different, huh? well , sometimes, of course, a person has to go through such a desert. here, as the old testament, israel, here he came out of egypt, here he goes to the promised land. and on this path. there is a certain period of time, some period when you need to go through some kind of test and

some special miracles may not happen at that moment, you don’t have to resist. we must go further. do you believe in the miraculous nature of eco. it is not for nothing that they are people there such places that they come to them. well , of course, first of all, an icon. you understand this. we, uh, still say that through the icon a person turns to god. yes, from the image, he, as it were, turns to the first image. and for me personally for me this is happened. this is a miracle in my life. it was. here the meeting was some kind of icon, you know. so you yourself say that then the second time you looked and did not experience any special emotions. and here i mean such ritual icons that are carried from the island to the mainland. evozit fire according to your faith. let it be to you. that is, if a person really has faith, again, like we do in the gospel. here, we believe, is the gospel episode. here the lord is walking around him with a huge number of people, they are pushing him, they are shoving him. and

suddenly some woman just touched the edge of his clothes and was healed, and around were different people. maybe a lot of people were sick there. maybe they also wanted something, but for some reason this is such a miracle. that is, i don’t think it’s possible like this, uh, with some kind of laws, such arithmetic of some earthly one, it’s always described. a miracle is always some kind of special, therefore, yes it happens and but which icon it is by man that everything is mysterious, so christmas e. hmm, certain people love icons to their friends and relatives. how do you feel about such a tradition, of course. well, if you say this described as he is, yes, if this is an icon painted with love, it carries beauty in itself, you know. some part of the human, even here such warmth, which, nevertheless, i

’ll tell you as an icon painter, you paint an icon and you have some period of life, sometimes it’s a month, sometimes it’s, uh, six months. sometimes even some longer period. if it is a large or complex icon, you are inextricably linked with this icon . you think about her day and night you all live in your life situations, but all the same, they are, as it were, a little bit aloof. and you suddenly and you are completely in yourself, as if giving away. this is very similar, it seems to me, i don’t know, but for me such an association is like giving birth to a child, you understand? well, that is, it is a creative process, yes, which completely absorbs you. yes and at some point, i suddenly experienced this more than once. just yesterday it was. here is a part of you, some of your thoughts, some hopes, and then once he and written and suddenly you feel, everything, she lives some kind of life of her own, and it

seems to me that if, after all, the icon is written, like this with such trepidation. and here we are, uh, giving it, and uh, the person who accepts the gift. he is not a believer. in such a situation, this is appropriate, but i think that if he accepts it, after all, after all, with some respect , you don’t know, just an unnecessary thing that you don’t know where to put later, right? and yet, i think that gradually in his life something. change icons take in any form. today there are new beads embroidered with rhinestones icons in general will try. well, i don't know, it's not very close to me. yes , because there is some kind of traditional technology in the school of icons, which has its own laws and its own characteristics, but then again you understand how to treat this, if a person sometimes brings it to the temple, light up the icon. here they are made so with beads there or

something else, i have repeatedly seen how a person, what kind of love he is. he's there with such trepidation you. you see that as far as he is, this is also for him. it is expensive. i remember myself, how i also made some of my first such attempts at icon painting. now i understand that they are, of course, far from perfect. well, your words were very important to me. how did you take your first steps, and what about technology today? with the help and the plot, we saw that there are the ural stones right there. what do you think, in general, uh, progress. well, it’s showing, it’s easier for you to work in your craft, which is then very difficult to compare, because in fact in fact, these are completely different periods of life, which is different. from now on there was a complete absence. e material base. yes, that is, we didn’t have any samples, no books, nothing at all, but there was such a

youthful enthusiasm that was so strong that you still understand it? i'm feeling the impulse. here is another one that he is still here, like a light, some kind of star you know. here we have flared up and it goes through many thousands of years. yes, that is the same. here the impulse was so strong, and now for a change, maybe this and unpreparedness came, really some. you learned something more from you more materials. you are technology. somehow it was adapted to her. better, yes, but of course, there may be such an impulse of such an impulse, it is not there, but maybe it is not so strong, so everyone returns to crafting. yes, in crafting everything should be handmade. we want to feel again. this is it, these are the emotions that you then experienced for the first time, of course. this is important. it is very joyful when people still come who would like to paint icons that would like to draw something to study to learn.

it surprises your workshop constantly people. you have a very popular monastery. it seems to me that everything is running its course. let's take a moment. let's take a break. after a short pause, we will return to this studio, while subscribe to our telegram channel. say, don't be silent, you look for all our releases on the youtube channel, belarus 1. on the air say again, don't be silent, and we have an icon painter and priest sergei as our guest no you once told a very interesting case from life. let's see to the screen. i remember i had such a moment in my life i told everyone. i walked here when it was new, but it was already 10 or 15 years ago. and suddenly i see a man walking towards me. i went to contractors and this person looks at me with such a look. i feel now. here, he probably wants to

ask me something about the divine, but because, in principle, like and who else asks i'm the only one on this street. i already know my chest is filling up from the air to answer him something like that holy like that. and suddenly he comes closer to me and says they give beer there. or i suddenly realize that in fact i perceive myself as celestials and a person sees something completely different in me. it is according to my physics that i can easily stand behind a beer. you just understand. and it really brings it down a bit. well, that's how often you get lowered to the ground. what is this for, in order not to become proud? yes, probably people of creative professions. and in general, probably, it’s typical that you don’t know such narcissism, some kind of looping, you know, in general on yourself. yes? and , of course, it is saving when there is someone nearby who can bring you back to reality a little, yes, and this, of course,

is very painful, very painful. so this is such a funny case, but there are such cases, of course, and not so funny, but, but then time passes, you realize that, well, probably, yes? it would still be good, and thank god that maybe it was, because otherwise you can just fly away somewhere. and it won't be unhealthy and so often you know very sad when you see a person. here he is, you knew him at some point in his life. you saw him, how something in him was so ordinary , normal, but something was alive, and then he got into some kind of, you know, some kind of conditional pedestal. maybe he’s not so big anymore and he’s become a huge fidil, but here he seems to be something and something terrible happened to him. it seems to me that the most terrible thing for a person in the creative profession is when this window that we talked about in the first part closes. after all, could it be? why don't you feel anything when you walk in to the workshop? yes, this test is also one of the hardest. have you already experienced it or are you constantly in good shape, you know? what

can happen? well, you know, i, firstly, i have a secular art education. i studied first at an art school for four years, then at an art school for 4 years, then at an art academy for 6 years, and for all this time this is my education. it would actually be this time, that's it, which was valuable, because during this time you experienced different periods. indeed it was at first some kind of enthusiasm, some kind of interest, then you lost this interest in that, regained it and i really appreciate these years in general, because here is one of such the most severe crises. it happened to me in the academy in the third year. in general, i had such a reputation as a very successful student. i always got good grades. so something happened to me, you know? well, there were some circumstances. i suddenly realize that i don’t understand something at all, how should i be doing something to write. well we have

there are productions and semi-annual viewing exhibited work comes teachers look put marks. i suddenly realize that something is not working for me. nothing works. i come. i'm trying. i do everything somehow past such a crisis, yes it was. that's me and me, that's me, this reputation saved me, they didn't put me, thank you. god gave me a deuce, but they scolded me very much. well, somehow here and well , anyway, nothing has changed, and then, suddenly, i saw. uh, there in the whole fund, we had such a valuable background, where the works were preserved from some past years. i saw one work. she kind of surprised me. i stood up to look at her and suddenly i felt that through this work. i can rise again. you see, in this work. i found for myself some kind of island, for which you can somehow cling to a thread, and i began to like going there, almost every

day, then you look at this work and you will feel it. something. i somehow come to life, you know. and here is the work. i was pulled. i still remember with great warmth this work is being done by students of another. yes, even for several years. she is older than me. that's interesting. i have already told this episode many times , but i say that it is very interesting that i do not personally know this person, but i know her name. she is there, in my opinion, it is necessary until now. now he even teaches at the academy. here but i'm so grateful at all, you have no idea there is such a hmm saying. well, the expression is rather, uh, that there are no atheists on the plane that flies into the turlinity zone. well, that is, when a person is afraid, when from him already nothing depends, it comes. eh, to god with some of your requests and wishes. here you have the answer to this question. why do people more often come, er, to god, precisely in times of some hardships and sorrows and sorrows, they are in joy? i think that first of all, not

everyone in these times. many may, on the contrary, even lose the remnants of faith in some difficult trials. and then, of course, even in church you sometimes look like that. who is who, in general, is present in the temple, in general, what kind of people are they? maybe it's some super-successful there are some businessmen, you know. or is it, maybe some fashion models there or someone else? no, these are very often people who have experienced or are even now experiencing some difficult period of their lives. i had one like this so i will share with such an episode. there was also such a moment when a woman was confessing during the service and a woman approached. and somehow i understood the essence that she is going to borovlyany now, he has another chemistry. she is in the fourth stage, as if she is young in iraq, she has a family. she has a human child. this

as it were, well, here are very difficult situations in life, and she worries, even more not for herself, for her loved ones, because i am not standing next to me either. you see, right here, this grief, it is here, right here, as it were , unfolding before you in all its fullness. and what is more, but what is amazing in this grief. it is amazing that, unlike other people who approached her before, there after. she had so much life in her words in her eyes. it was such a life, you know, there was a feeling that i am i felt myself. uh, not alive compared to her. although i'm standing in the temple. although i was there, it was such a very long service for many hours, she just ran in, just drove in. and that's quite a man, that's not what i suddenly thought that and if it weren't for this disease. could she be such a

living person? i'm afraid that what can be and not? you see, this is what it is. unfortunately, sometimes there is a terrible price when he is on the verge of some human capabilities, suddenly, in an amazing way. suddenly, everything superfluous leaves his life, and only the most important thing remains for him, of course, it is much easier to live in this one, in this one, on some necessary parallel, because everything else, as it were, becomes unimportant at all, but for an ordinary person when everything is more or less good for him, on the contrary, it is very difficult for him. there is just a lot of everything to the left, there and to the right, and there it is beautiful and it is good here, and there they are waiting for me, and even before this most important person. maybe just don't get there. well , nevertheless, there is a case when at a disco such a revelation comes, it happens, it happens too . we meet with you on the eve of the christmas big holiday. how do you prepare yourself for it? fasting is all that is spiritual life. she you know, she is

very wisely arranged in this regard. that is , if, perhaps, the light, to whom a person should tune in, some special effort is needed, then our church rhythm of divine services, fasting of some holidays. he sets up so that in general the whole year he is divided into some special periods. there is a period. there pre-easter all the period before christmas is now such a period you are living, you understand that you really expect, probably, some kind of special grace, some kind of special joy. and although you have already grown up and there you are no longer a child, but this little childish expectation still remains a miracle. it seems to me a believer in this regard. eh, in a sense, it’s even more interesting to live with him in the life of this childhood, maybe a little more. eh, that's why we do n't torture our parishioners, do we? oblige them with some kind of observance, posts for four. all

very people on their own, of course, and how do you deal with them? well, say, there is something on the eve of christmas or not, or you are not addressed with such questions. people are different, of course. you know, there are parishioners who have many years of experience in life in the church sets them up. they are like fish in water. they feel very organic. they don't need any extra words. they live some kind of fullness of such a life, e.g. church life. and there are people, on the contrary, who really need some kind of support, some kind of hint. here they are for the first time in their lives decided to fast before christmas and how is it, and how is the family? how about at work? a? here they will call me to the new year's corporate party. how can i be? yes, that is, there are actually a lot of questions, but we are probably trying to find them. yes, it cannot be said that they know these answers are collected in some kind of catalog. there you need a page from the forest and that's it. no. perhaps you need to find this answer. well, it seems to me that, first of all

, it is very important that a person really thoughtfully treats himself in his life and tries. eh, well, somehow search search. in general, that form of some possible relationship with god that today would be suitable for him, today we were very comfortable with you and harmonious. in this studio, we felt like fish in water in a topic in which we know little, but we try to find it. thank you very much. thank you very much for this meeting and merry christmas to you, father sergei, we tatyana shcherbina and victoria popova say goodbye to you today. goodbye. goodbye. and now he says father sergei is negr. i would like to congratulate you on the upcoming christmas holiday, wish you health, happiness, i wish you this meeting so real with a miracle and despite everything, there may be difficulties and difficulties. the problems that exist in our lives today, so that we are

still waiting for this meeting. yes, they waited for this miracle and tried. well, somehow and share it and somehow yourself put this treasure in your treasury and keep it in your heart. happy holiday to you. this

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