in general, they got there, and what did you do there, but let's start in order then am, when i was 16 years old, we sang in the church choir. i drank in the church choir, and we were often in gomel in the cathedral of saints peter and paul, we had frequenters in germany and there i met my future husband at the age of 16 after 4 years. he proposed to me. and i went to live in germany. yes. that's where i worked for a long time in various government services, and in government agencies in germany, but not only in administrative work. and here, in by the way, the list of my employers was also your colleagues, so to speak. here in this plan, the second german television is the savings association rhein falz. uh, hmm this is west germany this is west germany yes. yes and the last place of work there became. in

government agencies, this was the executive committee. from there i was fired. literally last year in april on charges of activities against nato, how did it happen? well, this came as a complete surprise to me. i didn't understand the world at all. it just turned around for me. that's what i could never to think that i could be suspected of something like that, not to mention getting fired on such a charge. maybe i don't understand something, but the accusation that you are working against nato because you will be something. i don’t know, maybe you were preparing a conspiracy against germany there, left it on the net about the german government in comments, some participated in rallies of unauthorized people, roads were blocked in general because of which this kind of wording. is that how you labeled it? i understand that you did not work for softly speaking, money foreign to germany against germany then. here, is it

really nothing? why are you this accusation was founded? i didn’t do anything at all, that’s right, yes, i wasn’t at the rallies. i didn't offend anyone. i did not receive foreign funding. the only thing i allowed myself to show on my personal facebook page. uh, my commitment to belarus to our president. em. my employer took over. e, and, a filed a complaint against me with the german state security committee a. so, i have page i can tell i had e. after um, first of all there was our belarusian anthem, signed with german captions, and with the words we are belarusians, peaceful people. that is, i generally believe that the anthem is, em, the peculiar soul of a particular people, and listening to the words of the anthem, you can understand the deep values ​​of the people, and i wanted

to convey our belarusian soul to the germans. eh, first of all. um, then there were also reports there, for example, by yuri podoliaki, who, living in sums, covered current events, er, the prospectus of the operation. yes, but hmm there were reports cattle ritter ex-marine. am. you know the inspector, he is a well-known person for participating in using his materials, and there were hmm meetings of the ukrainian and russian sides on the territory of belarus when they were still trying to agree, that is, from different sides. there were also portraits of mikhail sko. who said that only a russian person had in mind the slavs. uh, hmm, he can fight out of a feeling for faith and for the brotherhood, that is, completely different things, but i tried to highlight this situation from different angles to show that it’s not definitely worth it. she keeps watching, as

the european media shows, and stop to think a little and look at the situation from different angles, that there is also a different opinion. and that is, it was such a driving motive for my actions at that time, but the biggest surprise for me was that i was basically accused, um, because of the video, which shows paratroopers making figures in the air. e, for, that is fau in german em and thus it was said that e i support a criminal offense in germany and e. i threaten the public peace order. let's recap. yes, that is, it turns out for the letters z and in yes but the symbols of the special operation, in principle, for expressing one's position. well, it's just that it's different from the official position of germany. yes, it's not a criminal offense, it's just different from

the position of opinion. yes, from the position of the power of opinion. you were first fired from your job on this basis. so then a criminal case was opened. i understand correctly. well, it was parallel in parallel. yes, the dismissal was good. well to put it mildly, provided for under the contract in this case. no, i later went to court against the employer. i gave him an image. that's how he dealt with you. that is, he called you, or how is it happening? the executive committee has a mayor and there is a manager of the executive committee with the mayor, he is the head of the region. we often talked about my commitment to belarus, my commitment to the policy of our president. he knew my position for a long time, when you worked during these years, when we worked, that is, we talked about this more than once and when a military special operation began, he came to me to drink coffee and asked. uh, how do i feel

about all this. i told him about the donbass , he had nothing about it. known. he did not know that hostilities had been going on there since 2014, that many ukrainians suffered from their own compatriots. in the country of donbass or in the donbass uh hmm and he asked me how i would treat the ukrainian refugees who would come to us. i replied that i was just as professional. i will undertake to fulfill my professional duties, official duties, and this does not interfere in any way, that is, my position in relation to my state. it will not interfere with my work, in principle, this is our conversation. uh, at first it ended, and then literally 3-4 weeks later he called me to his place, and merli the manager called me to his place and said that they would report me to uh hmm and the

state security committee in germany uh. due to the fact that i had these posts on facebook, and hmm, and they believe that i can’t, as a belarusian citizen and adherent of my policy to my states to deal with the affairs of ukrainian refugees, and hmm also the mayor said that this would interfere very much with his career, and in the cdu party, and the christian democratic union of germany, and hmm if journalists find out about this. i mean, they're going to get hyped out of this scandal, and he can't let me ruin his career because he wants to stay for another term. and why did he keep asking you about ukrainian refugees. your work is related to this. yes? i forgot to tell you about this. uh, i worked, uh, in welfare. that is, i provided for german citizens who could not work. uh, hmm, got a small pension, and i also took care of refugees from all over the world. that is, these are not only ukrainian refugees. there were refugees from

afghanistan, syria, eritrea, and so on, that is, from all over the world. and, uh, a problem arose only when refugees from ukraine began to come to us, and then he called me to him and said that he would report me to the german kgb, i would need legal assistance. and hmm the next day. he called me again said that he had spoken to the kgb and removed me temporarily from my position just a couple of days later. ah, i was waiting near the house, early in the morning, um, the criminal police. department for combating terrorism. even so seriously. they produced a search warrant and were not fired. i was suspended from my position, but not fired, which means they were waiting for me in the morning near the house, they showed me, as in the movies, a stamp, such as the criminal police and a search warrant.

they were looking for evidence of my activities against nato and in particular against germany in my case, electronic media, because the posts were made from somewhere they searched they searched the whole house, and in the end . uh, they took away the mobile phone. that is, they have already started you, as agents perceive. it's true that at that moment you had an agent yes quilted jacket, sometimes they call a bloodthirsty terrible such a house lived, just ukrainian refugees it's spiritually true, yes, uh hmm when i worked in the executive committee. here i am dealing with refugees. many people knew where i work and, uh, when the wave came, they started transferring refugees to each other, which means that there is such a russian speaker who can to help both in russian in german and in ukrainian to explain and explain some aspects of the new life, so to speak in germany, these people, and hmm,

a lot of people turned to me. i helped them out of working hours too. hmm, one mom with three children applied. here uh hmm and when i found out that they were flying in the same tiny little room. i hmm offered myself to him as a temporary shelter until they decide how to go further uh -huh because hmm social apartments. in germany, there is not enough place to live, and how would they need to look for their own housing, which is very often complicated. hmm, lack of language and understanding of the whole situation, how it works in germany, but i'll clarify. there was a family, uh, it was a mother with three children. their dad lived nearby, even so well. but for those who conducted the search, yes, they didn’t have this dissonance of the brain due to the fact that they came to you as a person who, in general, lays out his opinion. yes , including connected with ukraine, at the same time, ukrainian refugees live in your home. here's how it was received. mm. when they entered the house, they were at first shocked by this fact,

they started checking documents. is it true ukrainian refugees. and when they saw that this was actually the case, they immediately started calling their superiors, their leadership, because um, so it was a group of four people. they were all confused. they did not know what to do to conduct a search or not to conduct a search. how did they ask me um. how do you accept yourself with such an accusation? uh, ukrainian refugees. i answered. and what does er, these two questions have in common with each other. that is one thing - this is my uh, political position or my opposition in relation to my country to my state and something else is help to those people who are in trouble, that is, we are belarusians. we are never or slavs. we never refused to help, and in this regard, this situation was no exception for me either , uh, but the management gave the go-ahead to conduct a search and said no. eh, no big deal. this does not concern us, yes, to carry

on further, and the most interesting thing was that, when the charge came from the court on eight sheets. um, there's a very fleeting mention of that i had a family at that time, from ukraine, hmm, and more concentrated on just these signs for this file ordinary people think, in general, about this foreign political agenda, which is now being cultivated in germany, and most importantly. so how has life changed? has it changed after the imposition of sanctions against russia and belarus as well? this means that we have to distinguish ukrainian refugees a little, which means not those refugees from donbass who have been hearing the siren since 2014 are going to europe, but those refugees who heard the siren only last year and their way of life. suddenly , the way of life changed. e hmm and here it

will not work. this is a tactic, mm, i'll sit, i'll be silent, my hut on the edge i don't know anything, that is, they were forced to leave their homes. yes, they went to europe, uh, hmm, plus all this is fueled by that. e hmm, these ideas of national superiority that have been shaped in them over the past 30 years. i mean, it was noticeable. it was noticeably. yes? yes, it's noticeable. this is noticeable even in small things, even when i looked at school textbooks. or we talked about something . i mean, it was noticeable. yes , towards you, how they relate. they rather tolerated me, because it was useful for them at that moment. yes, we had. that is , we had an agreement; we don’t discuss political topics at home, but you still get married, who i had and their friends. they watched constantly from morning to evening reports from ukraine, called their relatives, spraying themselves with even more fakes, and the so-called uh hmm crimes of russia against ukraine em and

proved to me with foam at the mouth that nazism does not exist in ukraine and that russians are a russian-speaking population. there's no one harassing that's what they think uh hmm well, i mean, that's what they say in all seriousness, they say that, they are completely sure of what they say. germans here there are several categories of germans who well also has a different opinion. so, some um proved to me in exactly the same way that the german media and the only snakes that tell the truth, and in which there is freedom of speech and democracy in germany exists, this is the category that is enough just to listen to the radio in the car in the evening, watch a short tv and be sure that mm german amy and the german government in general speaks only the truth. nothing but the truth. this one category is a very rare category there is. uh, also germans who support russia in the eradication of nazism in ukraine and

understand all the meanness of e politics, and america and the west against russia and belarus can be said against germany itself at the end in the end, yes, this is the third category that i wanted to say, these are those germans who are not entirely for russia, well, and not entirely against it, but they are rop. their own government, because umm they say the government of the bicycle sanctions has affected us ordinary people, that is, if of course, if before that am politics was somewhere far away on tv, now it has touched every family in germany why because went up electricity prices for gasoline for diesel for gas and uh, that's not to mention food prices, eh hmm everyone needs to go to work everyone needs to heat their house, yes, that is, if before the germans could save money for new cars for holidays. um, today they spend

their savings on getting to work and actually heating their house, that is, to keep it warm, this is real, there may be real problems, there may be problems. yes, yes, but hmm, and this category they say, why didn’t the chancellor calculate before he imposed sanctions against ukraine on russia, how this will affect ordinary germans, if they had previously paid 80 euros for heating per month, then later, uh, after the recalculation, this amount increased by 400 euros and they shrug their shoulders and say, how are we going to pay it? and as for the sanctions, that is, from spring to summer , it was constantly heard on the radio on television that the government promised to find ways to resolve the issue of gas supplies even without russia that we could do little. we 'll be done by the start of the heating season. they suddenly presented the germans with their solution to the problem, namely, they offered to turn

the heating to a minimum in the houses. and wash as little as possible. and even better to wipe wet with a rag, literally they themselves saw and heard in all seriousness. these even posters were put up on social networks, which showed exactly what places and how to wipe with a wet cloth, that in order to somehow maintain hygiene, including, uh, hmm politicians of different parties they filmed videos. and where was it explained how a simple german hmm to get rid of a large amount of his comfort in order to somehow have enough resources to stretch, uh, until spring, here with heating houses and heating hot water. well, irina, it’s true, i’m wondering, the very fact. that's when the ukrainian ambassador melnik called schultz offended by liverwurst. in general, the information was in the state german media. so you knew about

it . i can watch german read german resources. yes, watch german channels. if desired, i can easily find it. well, except maybe deutsche or thank god it's garbage. true, there is no point in reading because 99%, it's just not true. well, let's say, so first, then, uh, offended or faithful sausages. eh, i heard that. it was a big outrage in all their own in germany how? well, you know, it's such a moment, as if all of germany spat in your face. let's just let it be that way. uh, mmm, well, about esmi, let's say, when the military special operation began, some channels were blocked,

that is, am m-m understood what was going on here in gomel , yes. so i couldn't open it. we tried in different ways, not through youtube we tried through vkontakte or some others, that is, there are no ways to get around to watch the video, they didn’t open anywhere, that is, those videos that really covered the events on the spot here or about the negotiations between the russian and ukrainian sides. they did not open, that is, some clippings were shown with those comments that were useful in the west, yes, but not hmm general coverage of events em. other channels, i didn't look for it, i can't say anything about it, by the way, you also have your own quality mark among the russian- speaking population in germany, you knew about it no lower back. and this bald man from belarus speaks about you. yes, i think it's cool if you are recognized among thousands of other people on youtube. well

, he is interested in your topics. that is, of course, you will be recognized. yes, they know you. okay , well. well, this is the media . you have two children. yes , how old are 20 20, and the youngest are 11 years old, that is, ours goes to school, is the german school good there? here's how it affected her. this is the situation that happened to you for me. it was complete outrage when the military special operations began. e teacher in front of a full class of children. eh, i asked her if her mother told her that russia, as an aggressor, attacked ukraine and what we think in this opinion at home, that is, as a class, and began such an interrogation and began to ask, yes, public flogging. can you say so? yes,

i think this is absolutely moral violence in this regard and a teacher. this is an authoritative person. or a child. and when a teacher asks a child with such a negative message, it is already clear. in what direction is the teacher thinking? in what direction does the child want to receive the answer. and if the child does not agree with this, if we are talking about something else at home, she has no choice but to remain silent at this moment, but because, otherwise, they will simply throw tomatoes at her, so to speak, and already odnoklassniki and plus uh, odnoklassniki’s parents who then neuro will start calling and building a showdown. why do we think like this, and why do we not perceive all the situations with ukraine, as it is customary to perceive it now in the west, um, with the teacher, we talked, plus i must also say that the children began to study newspapers in the month of february, just, that is, where, what heading, so that they understand, where to look for what information, but for some reason the study of the press. mm, it happened only against the

backdrop of the events in ukraine, yeah, that is, the children were asked, uh, to cut it into a portrait of zelensky to decorate it, uh, to paint it somehow beautifully at their own discretion. and there was a portrait of the president of the russian federation vladimir vladimirovich putin e, which was crossed out with a red line, was originally already in the newspaper. and the children, sitting in the classroom, chanted that hmm insults towards the russian president. to which the teacher did not pay any attention to am, and so, until they peacefully painted the portrait of zelensky in rainbow colors. the daughter cut neatly red lines from the portrait of the president of russia and carefully glued them together . for her protection? what is her opinion? leave her. and so the whole class was outraged. yes, i was very disappointed in europe and the west in that, uh. freedom of speech

, there is no democracy there, no matter how they say, i don't want my youngest child to be brought up there. the eldest was brought up there, thank god. she grew up. hmm, a worthy person. by the way, about democratic europe and about, uh, raising children there. it's not just about political education. eh, it's gender. today this question is very tough. well, this is a real problem. yes, i was called when my youngest was 5 years in kindergarten and talked. change your gender . i say crazy she plays herself as a boy. yes, yes, she recognizes herself as a boy, and she plays more with boys. eh, make a boy out of me. i say wait for her 5 years. yes, it's okay that she plays with the boys. we'll wait, 15, then we'll talk, but i think that uh, what god did, it will remain boys, it's normal, naturally. yeah but

like, at the age of 5, they thought i was like a mother, uh, interfering with part of her child, because i don't want to change the gender orientation of my child. yes, um, just the same question to educate about some kind of christian values ​​or understanding. children from the third grade are taught topics for adults sexual education yes, and all from the third grade. yes, it's so all uh, so everything is so detailed and so open, because it shocks me. and when my eldest was in the third grade. i tried to resist this even more by uniting with other orthodox parents, also muslim, who were against this lesson. i hope then still naive that i can change something. yes, but i was told right away that you would go to jail for a month. if you don't want to go to jail and pay a fine of 1,500 euros, uh, but your child will still attend these lessons, because this is part of the school curriculum, that is, it is

promoted there. and hmm, that is, it is said, this is normal. you can do this by changing your sexual orientation. gender also, uh, abortion, uh. i don't want my child to grow up in some kind of atmosphere, right? well, it's clear, actually you know, in such simple words. you and well , such monstrous things, in fact, how natural is what surrounded you. yes, this is actually obeyed for people who have this, thank god. no, neither in the country, nor in the environment, it is very scary to listen to your locality in which all this happened. well, what can you imagine, it is big, how many people are there where we live, it is a small village, there are 1,100 inhabitants in total, and the school, and the school is located about 10 km in a town with 26,000. that is, it is, in fact, a district center, right? well, that is, everyone knows each other, as it were, more or less. yes ok.

tell us further what happened to this story with dismissal with criminal prosecution. and well, there really were people who were fired in your defense. well, after i was released, it's not my position and uh, uh, the criminal police in particular did a counter-terrorism job, uh. they searched my house. my employer sent me literally the next day a courier e with a letter stating that he was dismissing me without e content without terms, that is, usually 3 months, the term for such a dismissal for three months of warning, when i understand, yes, but here there was no observance at all on april 5, the courier brought me a letter and fired me by april 7. that is literally these 3 days. and no one was embarrassed that the law was violated, and they believe that they are right, because i will explain such a thing to you. e hmm obviously, that is, in the west, everyone is shouting about the war. yes,

russia is known to them, the aggressor is known to them , a military special operation. it's a felony so they don't give a second thought go further, they are against the law or not. they accused me of all partisanship with criminal offenses. although it has not yet been recognized anywhere, but it was not, therefore, nowhere. no international court has found russia guilty of this plus. uh, there 's war on every corner. although this is a military special operation and not from russia or even from ukraine, there was not a single application to legally recognize this military special operation as a war, because well, for many these are similar terms, but the measure of responsibility and consequences for those or other actions. e. hmm in these two cases they are, uh, in the cases they are completely different, this was explained to me by my lawyer, who studied for a long time. uh, hmm, human rights in africa, that is, you still found a lawyer, and

this story is for itself, that is, by itself. eh, it was very difficult. i have contacted various authorities. i tried to find a lawyer. um, i was denied, first of all. i must say i called the embassy of the republic of belarus in berlin e. well, where else because i understood the citizen? belarus yes? i am a citizen of belarus yes, i have belarusian citizenship. i never gave up on it. i still have it and it remains. i called the belarusian embassy and hmm asked me to consult, they offered certain algorithm of actions and, uh, hmm consulting support, that is, in this regard. they helped me, um, but i kept looking for lawyers. uh, hmm threw the cry can you say by all the friends in all social networks? people passed on my call, that is, they put it in their statuses. they passed on and after a while there a couple of weeks

through acquaintances of acquaintances of acquaintances. uh, i managed to find two lawyers, which is interesting, and both are germans. and one of them even turned out to be, um , the chairman of the belarusian german association for identifying juvenile prisoners of concentration camps, yes, that is, he is such a sore subject, seriously. yes? this is a serious topic, and the second one, who studied human rights in africa, immediately offered his help and a lawyer. i needed both labor law and criminal law am. i told you before, i sued my employer for dismissal, which, by the way, we won. yes, the age was restored after that. they offered me, but i understood that there would be no life and opportunity for me to work in that society or among those colleagues who applied for me in a security hospital in germany, they would find reasons. dismiss at least for the insolvency of the office we said that the case was filed against you, roughly speaking, the wording of the

accusation of sympathy is a criminal offense, and thus undermining the public peace order in germany at the beginning of the conversation. yes. you said you were singing in the church choir, and so you had the opportunity to travel to germany yes. this is originally. that is, you are orthodox today , to be a parishioner of the orthodox church in germany. this is possible. with such a discussion, it is possible, yes, it is possible, but hmm, we had a little difficulty, as if our little big priest solved this issue. we rent a room in a catholic church and at first a military special operation was carried out by a catholic priest, but he demanded from our father that he support the entire sterilizer against russia. i must say that our mother she herself is from here, that is, the minsk region. yes, the belarusian father is a russian german. and so they met. this is where he studied. am our father refused to

support. he tried to diplomatically resolve the issue. and hmm, we were also threatened for a long time that they would not renew our contract and that they would kick us out altogether, we would not have a site. where to serve, that is, such a question also arose. although we are our parish. we are absolutely international, we have both russians and belarusians. and ukrainians are ukrainian refugees very often, but this did not stop a catholic priest who wanted openly and publicly for our father to speak out against russia and belarus for the time being. here, uh, the passions subsided a little. yes, and you can attend services, right? okay, let's recap a little. so , dismissal. in violation of the law, which was recognized by the court, after all, yes searches are a criminal prosecution. well, almost an attempt to take the child or attempts were all the same. well, if there was, then there was a threat of this anyway, because mmm, i'm the only one who can educate

child em and that is, you are divorced. e at one time with her husband and the lawyer said, so that he does not give any guarantee that we will even win this case. that is, he is sure that, under german law, i am not guilty, i cannot be blamed. uh, it was impossible not to open a criminal case against me. nothing to open a case against me, but it still happened, uh. hmm, because certain people , like my mayor, or, uh, attorney general of the state, reynolds. uh, they just wanted to raise their careers at the expense of this case, because it is very convenient at the moment the case is open. public open trials lynch a belarusian citizen for her commitment to her state. yes, even in this one. uh, in a job like this in germany. i mean , that would be the ideal case, and my lawyer said he gives no guarantee that we will win this case.

moreover, he is sure that we will have to make some hmm concessions with the prosecutor's office, that is, to find me guilty, um, due to the fact that the prosecutor's office may not demand the maximum term for me, yes. under this article, the term was supposed to be up to 3 years in prison. so even if they put me in a pre-trial detention cell, then, and guardianship would fill my child here, it would not help that her sister is an adult. no, well, nothing at all, that is, i could not go anywhere. to give the child to your relatives or friends, uh, guardianship, you just took her. i mean, that's why you ran away. you can say that, right? yes, my first priority was uhm to make sure my baby is safe and the safest place in the world. for me it was belarus then. maybe i'll ask a provocative question. well, everything around him is still spinning, in fact, with a stretch, but you can call a fugitive from germany well,

really, there is a slight difference with our fugitives. here's what you said. as a lawyer, i understand that the law would not be violated from the word very well? maybe you will tell me, what is the difference between you and our races, you already know that some people just left after the twentieth year. i have never betrayed my state. this is probably the biggest difference. am i have was on a simple example, i had many, many times the opportunity, um, to renounce the citizenship of belarus and accept german citizenship simply for the sake of circumstances, for the sake of my womb, so to speak, yes, that is , life can be more comfortable in this regard, but, ah hmm for me it was a kind of betrayal and the worst thing for me in my life has always been losing myself to step over my honor conscience for the sake

of some shaky values ​​of the year, dual morality such a er. hmm i didn't mean it, i guess i see it more its difference. that is, i stay was, i stay in belarusian. look here. here we have the president on christmas yes, on the seventh , we were already here and at the reception for the old new year. he designated that the people who left. from belarus you can and should return. well , among those who escaped there are deeply repentant people, and they should not be thrown to the sidelines. yes, well, i understand the position of a strong man more than a leader. well, actually a father, yes. here, it seems to you, and the authorities in the same germany are capable of the same actions, firstly, the speech of our president touched me very deeply. this is the true position of the father. we don't

call him dad for nothing. that is, as in every family. uh, there are some misdeeds, sometimes our children do something wrong, but we try to understand them and, um, forgive them, that is, the mercy of our president and understanding of these people, it really touches um. i believe that in this respect i can draw such a small parallel as with the parable of the return of the prodigal son, that is, from the position of alexander grigorievich yes, and uh, here a man did something, but he got sick. he acquired a certain immunity. and he can now work for the good of his state. that is, why give up a person. i fully understand this position. um, i generally believe that the state should be built on the same foundations as the family, that is, certain leader yes, uh, this is the hackneyed opinion of the last dictator of europe, which i, by

the way, which, by the way, i am very proud of. yes? e hmm it's very so strong. uh, hmm, such a strong position. i’m also a dictator in my family, i understand, everything’s fine, everything just went possible views and forums. and here uh hmm i believe that the position am. our president. it is strikingly different from the position in the west. that is, there it is not represented at all. this is impossible. i can't imagine anyone operating there. only the cold law, and even in my case, uh, pure lawlessness, and not mercy and not warmth and misunderstanding. e for people who really repented and want to return to their homeland. well, you know, i probably want to say my opinion, because the topic is very sick, in fact, it has now killed big problems. there they are really needed by all these

tikhonov ladies and evenings to ensure their own well-being. because if they are not there, then no one needs the generals without troops, and no one will finance. but we see examples. i don't know if you have heard or seen this information to the point that, well, excuse me, they are provocatively printed. e books. yes , they print specially with photographs of those who took part in the protests in order to cover up people as much as possible to limit their departure from poland from lithuania to return back to belarus well, then uh, use it as cannon fodder, so i don’t know if you are aware of it or not, now half of the kolenovo haru is there and so on all of these and, in fact, they are used in the most dangerous areas, they are dying, they are dying in dozens and someone will have to make up for it. and it will be at the expense of whites. well, i hope there is enough brains, some just don’t fall into such a trap a second time. okay

, i can't help but ask. and a household question. yes, you were an ordinary citizen in germany with two children, working for the state, according to in essence, yes, in the executive committee, in principle, the average woman. it was precisely on such in belarus that the technologies of color revolutions were directed. yes why did women in white take to the streets in the first place to overthrow the regime, and then live like a european? here at approximately so. but what is real. well, you've lived there for over two decades. what was it really like to live there? that's how big the salary was. well , sorry for this question. it is not customary for us to ask him, but how much was left for the realization of such a german dream, and why you did not become yours? yes, i lived there for a long time. i know this life inside and out. many here don't know what european life is. uh, it's really hard to get a job,

especially if you don't speak the language well. and even if you speak the language and even if you have an education recognized in germany, it is very difficult to find a job plus housing, only rented , that is, it is unrealistic to buy your own. the bank won't give you a loan. am plus all the nuances associated with life. there, our mentality, our psyche suffers a lot, being in the west. this one seems like i'll be i'll have a cool tv set, i'll buy myself a car, and i'll live great. no em. everyone i know, they all want to go back there, that is, they were brought there as children, but they feel at home there even having lived there almost all their lives about salaries. eh, it is necessary to distinguish such a nuance our people. they are so gullible they see. uh, job ads and hmm think it's the salary that's advertised. they will get it in their

hands, yes, but here you need to differentiate a little, that is, there is a salary. bruto. there is a salary. none from salary. brutus. income tax insurance is deducted. um, when you need to go to the doctor or some other things, and for this you already get your hands on it, and this is strikingly different from that declared brut. that is, the average salary was no. we will talk about it somewhere 1.200 1.500. this is what was translated to me at first; i still did not have it on hand. no, a nurse's salary. you're 1.100 somewhere so well, out of this money. you have to pay rent for housing for utilities for a phone for the necessary insurance without a car, nowhere there, because everyone lives you need a car to drive far in the villages. that is, for the car, the tax for it and for life, in the end, remained. well, the maximum in the best case is 200-300 euros. this means that with this money you need to refuel in order to get

to work for a month to travel to work, and work they are somewhere 30-40-50 km from home. that is, you can calculate approximately the price of gasoline , they have doubled, that is, approximately somewhere in the euro, 70 to two euros. now a liter of gasoline. uh-huh with this money to eat with this money. get dressed. well, that's all. rest what's there, right? yes, that is, it is at best often with me. e hmm my obligatory expense, exceeded my income, and i had nothing left. that is, we survived there, we did not live there, despite the fact that you had a job , despite the fact that i always worked full -time. yes, it doesn't stay there. we didn’t even have the opportunity to set aside part of the money to visit our relatives here in belarus . we just didn’t have this opportunity, i can talk about it, but i think this is not the topic of today’s conversation, because we

experienced hunger and cold and soul there. was torn out of hopelessness, but maybe another time sometime about this, we will usually talk about the last question at the end of the program. yes, he is always about philosophical. but i want to make an exception today and ask a question practically, in essence. you have already encountered german fairy tales. yes, in the end they turned out to be such a visualization of the terrible tales of the brothers grimm . now it's time to pay tribute, probably, to our native country. as far as i understand. yes you are back in the country and you are not going to drive back properly. do you understand? am i right understand that you're not going to, because you're afraid that the criminal prosecution and take away the child. this is reality. and this is reality. this was primarily my motive, to make them decide to bring the child here and am, then during these uh days of the weeks that we experienced terrible with uh hmm in the month of december, when

i had documents in the car, permanent the case of an emergency departure, when we discussed with the embassy. how can we , in case i can't get the baby out on my own, take her out, then uh germany, uh, to transfer with my relatives here so that she is not taken away, there by guardianship and so on. that is, after these terrible days, i decided to just drop everything and leave. perhaps i would have suffered there further, because i, uh, as if i have an older daughter. yes, she lived separately recently separately. yes, she is an independent person, if she has any questions, we can contact the belarusian embassy well, how would you take root, where you live, that is, 24 years old, it’s not so easy to throw it away and i want to ask a question. but where and how you can be useful today in belarus, go see yourself in general, belarus in any way to the west. i won't go again. this life is enough for me. that's right, yes, but i don't want to uh you know i

want to go further, that is, i want to graduate here. yes, because when i left for germany, i did not finish my higher education. i studied in mozyr. the pedagogical institute, by the way, is infamous yes thanks to uh, yes to all events, but also uh. i would like to get higher education, but in what direction? i am now i can't say yet. and so, i think that during the transfer you and our viewers. we were able to get to know me a little, so i'm waiting for an offer. but seriously, uh, i don't think it's long. it is rather an honor to be useful to the motherland and i want to apply all my strength, mental moral qualities to my professional life experience only for the benefit of my state. wonderful. here you are joking. yes , i also want to someday make a

joke, to make this program a little brighter, taking into account all that has been said. how much you do you have such an excellent experience of working in the executive committee? maybe this will come in handy too, but actually, i'm joking, you know, i want to wish you good luck, the truth is in adapting here. i think that you will really appreciate from belarus when you come across it in more detail, and i really hope that this is an assessment. it will be extremely positive in contrast. thank you especially thank you. everything you wanted to know about everyday life and to be an illumined minister. you need to make a conscious decision and understand what you need will follow certain rules. it

happened in our family about the participation of parishioners in divine services because we have such a church near our message. and that we have such abbots in the temple, for 31 years already, by the faith of truth, serving god about healing the soul and body with the word of god makes the country leave every family of people who live and gives a state of joy to a believer. this is not a working ministry. on bc i love the sun, i try to make the board myself. if there is an opportunity, i myself am grounding myself, and i need gold, then, if all this we do not to do, then it takes me about

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