nata is not and will not be a party to the conflict in ukraine, does not send troops or planes there, but supports kiev with stoltenberg equipment, added there is always a risk of escalation. for this reason, it is important to strengthen nato's military presence in the eastern part of the alliance for such allegedly peaceful nato initiatives and ordinary europeans continue to pay for the actions of their politicians, nur new agency, citing the german economic institute, notes this year. the ongoing ukrainian conflict will cost 175 billion euros to the german economy, which is equivalent to 2,000 euros per person between everything in the country, protests break out every now and then. for example, today the berlin airport canceled all flights due to the strike. trade union. the decision affected three hundred flights , more than 35,000 passengers, airport employees demand higher wages and better working conditions. the new 3d color of the most

famous bison in our country has been completed a large-scale overhaul of the colossal sculpture at the entrance to the baranovichi region, two the color of the bison appeared eyes and nostrils, and the giant's hair was drawn in detail, the specialists restored the welds, repaired the foundation. and the metal art object was completely treated against corrosion. this procedure is mandatory in our climate. if we used to see the full coloring of the monolith, now the corresponding coloring makes the picture a three-dimensional image, respectively, work has been done to restore the illumination of the bison. this means installing anti-vandal grilles. e on lighting. here, in the dark, you can see a completely different picture, as it were. the giant monument is on the balance sheet of the baranovichi district housing and communal services; employees of the

public utilities service conduct regular inspections of the culture and will carry out current repairs for 15 hours. i say goodbye to you on this. all the best. significant sports events in the context of the whole world were very worthy of our girls . they're in the future will show the result of key news and sports facts of belarus the flagship of belarusian football. and this, despite a significant renewal of the composition and a change in the coaching bridge of a new generation of belarusian

athletes. today we can pay more attention to our hockey, so today we are attracting more children, 40 places are being vacated there for young guys. there is an opportunity to take young guys out of them to make stars. look at the tv channel. belarus 24 program i am authorized to declare sassu i am the presenter nadezhda sas greetings. this program for those who want to better understand what is happening in the world and understand how these processes, events, people will affect the life of everyone and the life of the country, and the main events of world politics this week. we will tell you right now in germany the minister

of defense has changed. cristina lambrecht, who was strongly criticized by the position for the sluggish development of the bundeswehr and clumsy public statements , resigned her colleague from the social democratic party, the minister of the interior of the federal land. lower saxony boris pisturius 62-year-old politician consider him a close ally of chancellor ula fasholz, while a number of american media outlets managed to accuse the new minister of russophy because he allowed himself positive remarks about russian culture and the benefits of economic cooperation with russia , the population of india amounted to 1 billion 417 million people, which is 5 million more than in china. as a result, for the first time in several centuries, the celestial empire lost its leadership in

terms of population, while according to many experts. india will also outpace china in terms of economic growth, while remaining poorer and lagging behind technologically. in any case, according to the un, 6 out of seven inhabitants of the planet live in countries that cannot be attributed to the political west as a result of a helicopter crash in brovary, kiev region, the minister of internal affairs of ukraine and his first deputy died, more than 10 people became victims of the tragedy, including children, since the helicopter fell near the kindergarten building the main version of the tragedy is a violation of the rules by the pilots. security books, which led to the collision of the aircraft by the creation of the head of the ministry of internal affairs became the first ukrainian politician or high-ranking officials who died since the start of the russian special operation on february 24, 2022 , and then his death is not related to the actions of the russian armed forces. the topic of today's

program is another ukraine opposition in today's war, personally not an easy night program for me, with a quote from an interesting figure from the time of the revolution of the civil war in ukraine hetman. povla skoropadsky. ukrainians have a terrible trait of intolerance and desire to achieve everything at once, and in this respect it will not surprise me if they decisively fail. whoever wants everything at once, in the end, gets nothing. i constantly had to talk about it, but this is not acceptable to them. they did not listen to the hetman 100 years ago, my compatriots are stepping on the same rake. now the unwillingness to take into account the realities of the history of the economic structure, the composition of the population of ukraine, the unwillingness to simply look at the map and see

associated with it is an objective limitation for the flight of geopolitical fantasy. they led to the current tragedy about what kind of people today determine the course of ukraine and from those who make up the opposition to them will be discussed in today's program. i am glad to welcome oleg gaidukevich in the studio with me, deputy of the house of representatives of the national assembly of the republic of belarus, chairman of the liberal democratic party of belarus sergei borisovich stankevich , politician, candidate of historical sciences. hello and join our broadcast oleg voloshin diplomat candidate of political sciences hello we traditionally start our program with a survey, in your opinion. will the acute phase of the confrontation in ukraine end this year sergey borisovich military operations on the territory of ukraine this year,

most likely will not end, they will end next year? thank you oleg extremely hard. let's get some predictions. today we see that only belarus, russia and the ukrainian people, who are suffering, do not want war. unfortunately, western players want a sequel war, so it will continue. i am convinced that this year we, unfortunately, really do. uh, we're unlikely to see the end. e conflicts in the sense that to get some kind of stable peace, at best, that it is possible to count on this some kind of morozko and, as far as i understand, this is unlikely to suit the big players, and some such, as they say this word , there are industries and so on, so this is also hardly achievable and a very difficult task, therefore, of course, unfortunately , to imagine that this will all stretch out 12 months is psychologically difficult as well, but common sense tells us we'll need to be ready for it. thank you sergey

borisovich and how did you characterize zelensky's ukraine today? well, it is, uh, a militarized state, uh, sharpened for war. uh, i'd say she's, uh, overfed. e hatred and hatred becomes. e, the main, e, political motor e, i will not say that there are no grounds for this; indeed, war is always a tragedy and losses, and does not provoke hatred, but nevertheless, when all politics is built only on it, when hatred is constantly multiplying and growing, when there is only the language of ultimatums and there is no readiness to look for alternatives. e naked force. uh, look for options for some kind of reconciliation, then this is, uh, well, the road to nowhere.

this is a road to a dead end inevitable, so uh, unfortunately, ukraine is one-dimensionally uniquely one. moderately militarized and uh, it cannot yet be a partner for peacekeeping dialogue. unfortunately mine. and the situation in ukrainian politics at the moment is more detailed in our authoritarian tendencies in ukraine began to intensify a few years ago, and many experts attribute this to the presidency of volodymyr zelensky since 2019, the ukrainian leader and his team have monopolized power, subjugating all its structures, and the law on oligarchs and corruption policies is only an attempt to limit influence the richest people of ukraine on the media and politics, which ultimately became a tool of power in the fight against the opposition ukraine by shove ukraine, without a doubt, extra modesty is the leader democratic reforms in the region. we adopted a law on de-oligarchization. we are completing

the reform of the decentralization of democracy. we are building institutions of direct democracy against the backdrop of military ones. action. all decisions are made by the kyiv regimes. it is with this rhetoric that volodymyr zelensky began a real war against the opposition in a special situation , 11 political parties were banned in the country, including the opposition platform for life. all this was accompanied by numerous attempts to discredit their opponents, who advocate the normalization of relations with russia , thereby removing objectionable opinions from the political field. it is necessary to control not only people, but also the budget, because the longer the military conflict lasts, the more billions of international aid come to ukraine in connection with this, the kiev regime is trying to push local leaders to the second a plan to maintain their own control over money and weaken any possible political rivals, and the esteemed mister president. today your subordinates are trying to make me mayor

remove cities from government and put their man through the appointment of a military administration. there are even more disagreements in chernihiv. inside the country, it arose after a reshuffle in the root, then the positions were removed by the head of the security service of ukraine and the prosecutor general. in parallel , a large-scale investigation into the case of treason and collaboration began. no, censorship occupies a special place in authoritarian ukraine instead of many private channels, ukrainians see, in fact, only one television product telethon unified news on all tv channels, but practically they show the same information, and it does not always, but still corresponds to the realities that people see themselves only at home or in their city. criticized or marathons and the european union , so the german ambassador to ukraine said that representatives of western countries have not publicly

discussed with the ukrainian authorities for a long time the need to move to a more open space in the planet or the ether, however, according to experts. the kiev regime is not ready to give up its long-awaited control over television. well well, authoritarian tendencies censorship of the defeat oleg’s position, i think that many ukrainians who voted for mr. zelensky would not like to see ukraine like this. and it’s not even about the current situation, which is associated with hostilities, because certain trends were already visible in the first year of his presidency. please tell me how you assess the current situation in the current ukrainian government, because at some point the whole position that was presented by the passion platform because of life was the same the bloc of petro poroshenko and yulia vladimirovna timoshenko all evaporated, or united in the face of a common enemy, but is it really not so, in fact

, the tragedy of the current ukrainian government, the tragedy of ukraine, is precisely the loss of sovereignty, the independence of this country, the misfortune of this power is its complete dependence, not independence. the opportunity to make a decision and this did not begin now, not only from the moment russia launched a special military operation. we saw it a few years ago, when it's hard to imagine for example, in belarus, i’m a belarusian politician, belarus, so that our president would get a call from the white house from the united states and say that this prosecutor general shouldn’t be here. well, we remember the story very well, how biden recently boasted that he flew to kiev for 3 hours in order to remove some official, that is, ukraine is not able to make decisions not about peace, not about negotiations. there are no other questions. this is a tragedy, everything follows from this, the rest and the war and the continuation of hostilities and the situation in the economy, because over the years for e. for the last 8-10 years,

everything has been sold out and where they have been sold. they are for the ukrainian people. i would really like to own the land. uh, ukrainians have become factories of enterprises, but this is not true. unfortunately, people abroad began to own, and this again follows from this. here we are talking now about the ukrainian opposition, they began to destroy it. not now, not a year ago, not two years ago, and not in the fourteenth year. and even earlier, just in the fourteenth year, we saw him drinking facts, when people began to be killed for their position. and the fact that there is an opposition in ukraine, because a huge number of ukrainian people and politicians who wanted to be politicians come up with one program , we won’t even argue now that they have one program, the independence and independence of ukraine is the right of the ukrainian people. we have always dreamed of one thing, that the ukrainian people decide their own destiny. decided it myself. how can he live he

built his own country. do not need anything else. why are ukrainian opposition politicians being destroyed just for one good word about russia? for the west, ukraine needs just for one they don't care. how ukrainians live they do not care about democracy freedom? here is what they said in the story, that the europeans are worried that they have one channel, yes, they do not care. how many channels are there? this is a deception, they do not care - these are the words of the word fornication. lies in europe do not care about the elections in ukraine in belarus in any country, the other one needed to turn ukraine into an anti-russian springboard and use it for this opportunity the same. that's all. yes, with us already now on skype as the deputy of the european union informs me parliamentarian miroslav rodachevsky, what is your impression of the ukraine that is

currently present in the information space, because today the president calls for war to fight to fight and we hear from european leaders. and by the way, just a few days ago, an article by viktor medvedchuk was published. and for the first time, calls for peace came from the lips of a ukrainian politician. i remember from july 17, 2019. he was me in the past. i'm interested in introducing them. i told, i can now say that his platform is a defender. this is the story that will speak. it was all right. because when ukraine

thinks that they are fighting for independence and independently with us. this is mistake. independently i am very sorry that the two historical peoples are ukrainian and russian. they say, because you need a weapon, that you need to fight and not, only my opinion about the opinion of many is that, first of all, it is necessary.

need to say need to type magical situation. relationship such that he is in a big mistake he is a big mistake. because on your own

from his leadership will never be all i would say. thank you very much, miroslav well , in fact, it is extremely rare to hear such a position from the lips of a member of the european parliament sergey borisovich but , what do you think, not so long ago, commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine valeriy zaluzhny met with the head of the joint chiefs of staff, the united states general miles, that's what such a meeting says. and in your opinion, how stable is the position of mr. zelensky now and not will the chair wobble under him, because there are also certain plans, certain proteges that are beneficial to the same western partners who now support ukraine's activity. well, the head of the joint chiefs of staff of the american general miles is, uh, a very authoritative person. uh, in the

united states, not only in military circles. uh, he has in the corresponding complex list that he has participated in many wars and, from the point of view of the american state, successfully e. well, and he is also such an e, a kind of e guide e for the american deep state for this american intelligence-defense community that does a lot to manage without coming to the fore of america's political strategy like that. eh, this one is miles. recently, they didn’t give it like a couple of months ago. he was just being critical. e to kiev, considering that the language of ultimatums, e, is an attempt to achieve. as you referred to skoropadsky, you brought to this status everything and immediately an attempt, uh, to realize some, uh, incredible plans that do not come true, what is it

it's bad that it prolongs the senseless war, because u war uh the use of extreme methods uh death of people is a tragedy, if they uh are victims in the name of a meaningless goal, then this is bad for any state or any political leader. uh, it was this very general who advised kiev, uh, to take some more realistic position and understand that it is necessary to turn towards the world, even if putting forward some realistic positions of demand. now they have met the world is already impossible, because zelensky is the personification. in this militant ritual zelensky today demonstrates the same intransigence that we talked about and uh, he continues to use the language of ultimatums, but as it is said in the article that you mentioned here and the author, who is viktor medvedchuk uh, in the recent past even uh ,

member of the ukrainian parliament. uh, leader of the opposition party, runner-up in the last elections that took place, uh, in ukraine, so. in his article, he talks about what he says about the fact that there are two ukraines, in fact there is one ukraine which is anti-russia forever, which will never come to terms with this. hmm, the existence of russia is nearby and there is another ukraine that , on the contrary, believes that it needs to be next to russia and in the world with russia, and now, this is the most different ukraine, it is still hidden. she was silent about it, she was crushed by the existing circumstances. and by the way, and the repressive policy is also here, but this is another ukraine, uh, there is nowhere to go. she is not buried. and she may be now, uh, and after this signal, which

medvedchuk's article gave, she may be starting to trying to voice begins to try to organize itself, if what kind of movement for peace for the peaceful coexistence of two fraternal peoples of two fraternal states arises in ukraine and even more, if this movement is supported by a similar movement for peace in europe, then we will seriously change the current situation in an extremely dangerous way. we are now in the center of a developing war in europe for the first time after the second world war, and so far there are no forces that would hold back the escalation, and only this very peace movement, first in ukraine. then maybe in europe as a whole it can become an obstacle to the dam for the further escalation of the european war and in the continuation of your words. i would like to tell in our story about the articles of viktor medvedchuk, which amazed many by the fact that

calls for peace are heard from the lips of a ukrainian politician. more details in our story. a real surprise this week was an article by viktor medvedchuk, which he published in the news, many experts believed that after the arrest and captivity, the politician would disappear from public space for a long time. however, after many months silence, chairman of the political council, party banned in ukraine. finally, he spoke about the situation in the country. i think it is important to work on the peaceful future of ukraine now, it is necessary that all opinions be heard , including the opinions of such politicians as viktor medvedchuk, who delivered his extensive article, should by no means be excluded from the discussion. some opinions, giving priority only to certain positions, ukraine built on such principles will not be democratic in the first place, according to medvedchuk. the solution to the conflict lies in recognition of russia's interests and the european union must

stop supporting military action. in ukraine, otherwise the conflict will grow and spread to europe itself. we remember very well viktor medvedchuk's peacekeeping efforts, but his plans were based on the minsk agreements. he believed that there were real intentions to give autonomy to the donbass within ukraine, but as we recently learned about the angel itself. merkel western elites never considered the minsk agreements seriously, but considered them a trap for russia apparently peace is not what the smell is aiming for they support the government in kiev and do not push it towards a peace agreement. although they, as they themselves admit, to win the war with russia and therefore medvedchuk's peace initiatives that could be successfully implemented. as a result, they turned out to be rejected precisely because then and now the west needs not a compromise, but victory over russia, which i consider unattainable, which means that we can expect an endless war. medvedchuk also answered that many

ukrainians are also for peace. they do not support zelensky in his pursuit of military triumphs, however. in order for people to be heard, it is necessary to have a political and peaceful movement without the participation of western countries here, i see such a sober , deadly, murderous analysis of these processes that any sane person would. uh, you can only say yes, in general, this is how he speaks openly about what exactly 100% thinks, but, unfortunately, everyone who is. now the elite feeders cannot afford to say this, because the feeders of ukraine are not only other state bodies of germany, but, as soon as go out on camera, he becomes such a person. we need such energy of

sober analytics and i hope that in the future, well, he will not leave the fight for justice and for a better future for all our peoples, leading the european. as you can see, medvedchuk’s political career began back in 1998, when he became a member of the verkhovna rada, and after 4 years he took the post of head of the presidential administration of ukraine following the results of the 2019 elections, the opposition platform for life party created on the initiative of viktor medvedchuk took second place becoming the main critic of the government in parliament. after this medvedchuk, his party faced real political persecution in 2021, when the rating of the life-long life exceeded the support level of the ruling party by 5% zelensky in violation of the constitution, by his decrees

, he closed tv channels associated with medvedchuk and imposed sanctions against him and his wife, and in may last year. the ukrainian court sent the leader of the opposition platform for life party under round-the -clock house arrest in april 2022. he was detained by sbu investigators on charges of state change in september last year, viktor medvedchuk was included in the exchange of prisoners with russia and expelled from the country, and already at the beginning of this he was deprived of ukrainian citizenship and the mandate of a people's deputy. oleg, i am convinced that viktor medvedchuk's article was read in many government offices in different countries, and many who do not dare to talk about peace today and about the peaceful solution of the conflict breathed a sigh of relief that such thoughts began to sound from the mouth of a ukrainian politician? what reactions do you think this post has caused?

some of them you even know about. first, of course, you need to understand that the most convenient concept for the military party today in kiev and those who will support it in the west is the concept that today russia is fighting with completely ukrainian people and the task of destroying ukrainians, as such, and as soon as it appears, a gap in this theory, as soon as there is an understanding that, in many ways, and not only because of the connection between ukrainians and russians, which turns love into confrontation in an element of civil confrontation, but also due to the fact that within the ukrainian society itself among ukrainians, who really are e with such a very diverse society historically so formed e with different stories, different speakers of different languages, if they lead different religions, and so on, that is, ukraine was initially formed in the ninety-first year as a country in which it cannot

be. uh, the dominance of one approach. here, as soon as it becomes clear. this immediately complicates the picture of the world and leaves. this one fighting there, supposedly. there is some mordor against some warriors. sveta, it turns out that a, firstly, the question immediately arises that there were political forces and our political force in parliament. just because you need to fulfill the minsk agreements, you need to find its points of contact with russia well, she warned that if this is not done, then exactly what began will begin and us in fact, no one wanted to hear my own thesis, which was repeatedly voiced that you like it or not, but there will be politicians in kiev who advocate good relations with russia or there will be russian tanks on the territory of ukraine. and when they talked about this earlier, that is, two years ago, they laughed at us and said that this would never happen. today. when did russian tanks really appear, and they

use this as an excuse for a policy in which they were warned about this. to blame for this war, that is, we were made the people that these tanks called, that is, not poroshenko, who, uh, first turned a small mess in the donbass into a full-scale war and did not end it for many years, not zelensky, who defeated poroshenko actually solely on the promise to end this war, but turned it into an even bigger war . it’s not they who are responsible, but people like medvedchuk and others who said, guys, if you don’t agree with russia, there will be a war thank you sergey borisovich, but according to some experts, in general, the situation that has developed in ukraine for the russian federation it was a trap that was effectively implemented by the smell. do you think it would be possible to prevent the fact that today we have such a military clash, which i observe with tragedy, being a christian pacifist by conviction. it was by no means inevitable. let me remind you that

ukraine e received dependency e in agreement with russia not at all as a result of a revolution or a civil war or a national liberation war, completely peacefully. e ukraine gained independence, we agreed on everything. in in principle, we agreed, then, by the way, in the ninety-first year, and regarding e crimea that we are not going to fight over it, it was e peace in exchange for broad autonomy. we have agreed on the black sea fleet. uh, by entering into a long-term military base lease agreement. uh, perfectly normal relationships developed consistently. nothing foreshadowed war and did not push us to war. uh, until 2007. uh, the nato bloc suddenly did not decide that it would absorb ukraine and georgia, uh, until this moment, but even

after 2007, even after that, let me remind you again. in 1911 in 11 hmm uh, we had a strategic partnership with the european union. we were preparing for the abolition of visas with the european union, we entered into negotiations on this, we had a partnership program. for the sake of peace with nato, we conducted joint exercises, that is, there was no long-term preparation for war on the part of russia all this time, and hmm where did the war come from ? really. it was completely artificially introduced into our relationship. really. uh, state of war unnatural for the russian and ukrainian people. and therefore, on the contrary, it is quite natural that not all ukrainians, but like the idea of ​​fighting to the end to the limit, to as they say, the destruction and dismemberment of russia, er, by many radicals. now this production is not possible, it will never be

and no one can ever fight. uh, with history from geography, it’s impossible at the same time to just take ukraine and transfer it to north america, placing it in the space between canada in a comfortable space for someone between canada and united states of america, ukraine uh, where it is and uh uh, will have to live for centuries next to russia and not necessarily build relations on the terms of a peaceful, mutually respectful existence in such a way that no mortal threats to russia ever arise from the territory of ukraine. eh, there's a conditional force for that. and for this, now it is necessary that sober voices sound inside ukraine, and it is very important , after all, that europe also has its own european peace party. well, by the way alikulevich, you understand very well that for the republic of belarus, history, modern

ukraine - this is a history of mistakes and the words of leo nikolayevich tolstoy are remembered , we can’t come to anything else but to destroy each other, no matter how regrettable it all sounds, but this fact. in your opinion , what are the main mistakes that are important to make and, in general, to note their presence of these mistakes for any state, including for the republic of belarus, you, as a belarusian politician, what you see as the main key for yourself. you know what unites us all europeans, ukrainians, belarusians, russia are ordinary people, we all want to live normally , live peacefully without war, so that children go to school normally, so that the mother does not receive a summons that her son died, everyone wants it. and these people are not heard now, when medvedchuk is deprived of citizenship, they go numb, the pike is deprived of citizenship, they shut up the mouths of thousands of ukrainians

who think like him, and medvedchuk was a moderate oppositionist. and those who thought more radically, according to the kiev authorities. they were killed, destroyed, did someone forget the house trade unions in odessa i will never forget my grandmother sobes for me, odessa this is my hometown . now about mistakes. first mistake. the fate of the country should never be decided on the street, the street is always the collapse of the country and not the fourteenth year. for me, the first step in the collapse of ukraine ukraine occurred when there was a third round of illegal presidential elections for yushchenko yanukovych, then it all started on the streets, and the second was a terrible tragedy. this is the loss of sovereignty, what our lukashenka always talks about is what he has always fought for, which is the fate of the country. you should be in the hands of the country and its people. why does belarus not succumb to provocations today? why is belarus an island of

peace today? why today belarus is the guarantor of peace not only in the region, but in the whole of europe thanks to us now europe is not blazing. by the way, because lukashenka alone is our strength, but in europe, here is what medvedchuk wrote about, what we heard today from our colleagues on skype, the voice of the world is simply shutting him up, as they are shutting them down freedom of the press. there is no freedom in europe today europeans also live in an information bubble, where they are told that you must endure all this, because otherwise putin and lukashenka will come and divide and destroy europe and this is a lie, we do not need this europe we want to trade and live with you and another axiom, which i will hold a colleague. here is one thesis, but it fits very well for europe, it will never be strong and calmly independent. ukraine without friendship with russia and belarus well , it's impossible, because we're next to impossible. it is that for 100 years you will fight like this country will be destroyed, this does not happen and you

will not fight for 100 years. everything will end faster and europe will not be strong until there are normal relations with russia, when in europe they will understand that the americans have started everything with the sole purpose of weakening russia to weaken europe , and they succeed, sergey borisovich i already remembered. uh, the minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation, mr. lavrov, and his statements that there is no point in negotiating with ukraine now and if we agree on something, that is, exclusively with western partners ukraine, which directly make key decisions, stressed once again that in march there was every chance that the conflict would end, and ukraine was practically ready to sign a certain truce but the west. basically, these were the actions of the uk not allowing. does it do it and today russia no longer wants to talk with ukraine because it does not see its independence. what oleg valeryevich is talking about, how far the west can

go for it, because. naturally. now they say not a word about ukraine without ukraine although i remember very well that for a long time, everything was being decided on the fate of ukraine and whether it would be a battlefield or not? just without ukraine, now such a shifter, profitable, was fully formed by a certain participant in march of the past year. the treaty was even initialed by both sides, which made it possible to get out of an acute phase war. then indeed the ukrainian side then withdrew from further negotiations. well, to my regret, now it is all the same. uh, i would not fully agree that the negotiations impossible. uh, it's about what, uh, and even with ukraine it's possible. the point is to formulate some. objective some reasonable achievable start pointless to talk about when hmm know comes forward.

and how is it designated as? eh? shout uh, crows kar. uh, it means that this is capitulation, uh, which, uh, spills out, uh, into the restoration of the borders of the ninety-first year, and into repression in relation to almost everything there, and to the political class of russia and into reparations. here, uh, about this plan. really. i don't see any realistic program for negotiations. as for any more realistic plan. uh, you can still start negotiations without ultimatums, without preconditions. and you know, i have a dream. i was thinking just now, when hmm, our conversation was unfolding here. well , what a dream i have, according to various estimates, there are about ten million russian citizens in russia who have relatives in ukraine, about 10 million - these are separated families, part of uh, in ukraine part of russia, you can imagine

how deeply they experience all this. this is how i picture myself. here if russian part of the family and ukrainian. here they come. you are on both sides of the border. we would have met there, and hugged and said everything stop. no, but the negotiations are two words. here. uh, when you cannot say that you are for the war, in fact, what is happening politicians in the modern world cannot say, i am in favor of the war. he ca n’t say so for this, then he has to carry nonsense, but some conditions that cannot be met. that's when the politicians will start talking, and the reality of the conditions, when there will be peace. well, i supported, schom belarus a huge number of people who have relatives in ukraine, a thousand ukrainians. now belarus has found shelter here blood. and it will always be like this, it will never be different in belarus. here it is let the whole world listen. a of course, sergei borisovich touched me, but with your dream. of course, i would very much

like it to come true oleg please tell me if you believe in a diplomatic settlement of the conflict, because at the moment it looks like something absolutely fantastic and hope for a change in the rhetoric that is inherent today ukrainian authorities. well, it seems to me that it’s already impossible to form, uh, a union state, but if we look in historical terms, uh, then uh, the role of ukrainians is to be an empire of the russian empire, then it transformed the soviet unprecedented, then there is, in fact, the ukrainians have always been the second people of the empire, which is not just contrary. there it is said that the nationalists were not oppressed for the most part, but was a builder from feofan prokopovich, one of the teachers of peter i. yes, there is leadership. cannons, uh, of the soviet union, uh, under brezhnev, uh, the huge role of the ukrainians was in all

the achievements and to separate, where there is someone, for example, korolev was born and zhytomyr launched a person into space. yes, gagarin, the russian flew, but naturally, one without the other would not have taken place today, again, the russian belarusians are the exit state, this is the will of the belarusian russian people, but if we look at the number of ukrainians that are today. these are not just relatives, but simply ukrainians, many with ukrainian passports, who today are in the territory under there are more of them in control of moscow than belarusians. that is, today we have set for today, 10-12 million ukrainians are on the controlled sea territory. this is the second nation again. u in russia, uh, this is the second people of russia, i'm not talking about the fact that there is valentina matvienko, the speaker of the light of the federation , and many others in top positions that are technical to ukrainians. and therefore, in this sense, a settlement between russia and ukraine can be simply as a settlement, for example, between, say, russia and china, two completely separate

civilizations and cultures. here, of course, we need to talk about that, and i was all about this logic and putin’s articles on this topic, which he wrote even before the start of the special operation, and so on, and medvedchuk also formulates what he did, this is as honest and correct as possible. previously, us what was the mistake. we said there is anti-russia of pro-western ukraine yes, and there is a certain neutral multi-vector ukraine that seems to be friends with everyone at once, but this ukraine that goes next to russia ukraine is bogdan khmelnitsky's sidorovka korolev and others who, together with the russians , did something like that, ukraine, as it were, does not exist. it seems to have disappeared altogether, as an option, so today we are talking about the fact that anti-russia needs to be opposed about russia, which will be formed by ukrainians, who are conscious and mentally aware of themselves as e soe, authors, like belarusians today, for their majority, that penalty of some common future there will be no other option, that is, everything is

formed - again behind - in the glass everything is at the level of some neutral ukraine, which after some time will again be out of it it is impossible to build anti-russia. i am sure that russia will not go for this, we are talking about how, in the long term, to resolve the issue so that, as belarus is today, and not a threat, at least, but in fact a partner and friend of russia and, together with russia, sees their future, so is that other ukraine that will be built. let not in the entire territory. this is already a different question, this is a matter of discussion, but i’m saying this new, absolutely honestly and objectively, they throw stones at you there in kiev as much as you like in fact, well, for the people of kiev, in principle, inclusion on the belgorod tv channel is already a crime, but in fact, uh, so i say how it is objectively, we are talking about the fact that whatever ukraine has, it should be ukraine which you can’t know today to pretend to be neutral, and tomorrow you will become russia. we are talking about the long-term formation of a partner from ukraine similar

to the one that belarus russia is today. you see, the time for decisive action. yes, sergei borisovich, ukraine must cease to be the prize is a prey object for which two opposing hostile blocks are fighting to get away from this monstrous role, because forever sitting in a certain trench on the border of two warring blocks that are fighting for you, you can if you 're lucky, you can survive for a while, but you can't prosper, but build a prosperous state. in this condition. it is impossible to stop this enmity and stop being a prey, stop being a prize, which, well, someone from outside must come to win. this is really a responsible historical a choice that must be made by the responsible national elite of ukraine, which formation, which i hope is still ahead after a short pause. we will return to

our discussion again. stay with us. on the air, sas is authorized to state the topic of the program, the other ukraine, the opposition in the war has always taken the initiative. the republic of belarus has always been a platform with calls for peace, having implemented the same minsk agreements. ukraine could escape what it has now. in your opinion, will minsk be able to help overcome this crisis, help stop a war that helps, that is, in general, throughout all the years, belarus has done everything so that there is peace in ukraine and moreover, alexander is more than lukashenka, our president, turned a blind eye to unfriendly rhetoric. e on the sanctions that were imposed on ukraine against belarus did. this is not for the kyiv authorities. he does this for the belarusian and ukrainian

people. he always said that our relations these are human family friendly ones, they are more important than politicians. he always said it now about concrete actions in the fourteenth year, belarus did a lot to sign the minsk agreements, when someone starts to argue, it could have been signed anywhere. these are people who are far from politics, who do not understand the essence, there is no process, it was impossible to sign anywhere and further events. it was minsk that proved this, and it was the min that played this role and the president of the country went on. uh, when the military special operation of russia began, i want to remind you that the negotiations were again in belarus and belarus was excluded from the peace process against their will ukraine and against the will of russia and russia and ukraine playground. minskskaya was actually profitable; they removed it. the west the west opposed it because you know what could happen. they could agree, but the west did not need it, so they removed belarus from

this process. and further, throughout all these months, the attempt to draw belarus into active hostilities, provoking it , continued throughout the entire period; moreover, at a meeting with lavrov, the president of belarus said that it was an amazing thing. we perfectly understand who ukraine is to this, pushes for today, as it is now acting in belarus, it does not give in to provocations. and when you ask a question. is it possible that belarus will do something for the world, and now it is doing everything for the world that we are building up a joint grouping with russia that we are strengthening the border that we are preparing our armed forces is not aimed at war, it is aimed everything that we will do now, we want to avoid war and make ourselves stronger, but more than once they said that belarus does not take part on purpose military operation that we have a different task. this is the protection of the allied perimeter of the border. we will never give russia. we will never

allow a stab in the back under it, because it is our duty. but the most amazing thing is that it is beneficial for both the ukrainian and the whole of europe and the european community, because today belarus stands in the way of unleashing a huge war in europe and those who want to unleash unfortunately it is not enough. recently, a meeting was held in minsk between the minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation sergei lavrov and the president of the republic of belarus alexander lukashenko's main statements we will hear right now are the problems associated with the operation of the russian federation in ukraine everything that i promised everything that is needed for russia in this difficult period. what are we doing, where russia is for us, for russia belarus, and in any contacts that we have with the west and others, we say that russia has never been against the world, please, let's negotiate. we are ready to participate in this, there should be no

doubt about it. if anything, then it is necessary from our side, and we can do it. are you good know what we can do. let's just say we'll work together. hand in hand, we will not twist something here, and today security for us, not only for russia, is even more important for us, you know the plans of our western neighbors, not only ukraine, uh, they are trying to use ukraine against belarus, but what amazes me and pleases me , surprises about ukraine is still holding on. she does not go to provocations against belarus. although it is actively pushed by our westerners. the neighbors know who too, so we have to endure this time, but what we will endure in the past 22 years has shown here we adhere to the same positions. well , we are forced to complete our program with the

final word. i would like to provide e ukrainian politician to a ukrainian diplomat, please. i would really like to really thank my belarusian colleagues for everything that has been done to ensure that there is peace in ukraine. uh, but uh, definitely we all remember how in one of our interviews. uh, the president of belarus said that he has ukrainian roots. and in any case, not only because neighboring country, and in many ways, uh, close people, uh, and uh, in fact, in the current conditions, but colossally important. e in my understanding. eh, really. eh, such presence is visionary. uh, that is, the ability to think for years to come not to be plasticine, like our actor, standing head of state, who, like a good actor, is a convenient plasticine in the hands of others, you can mold anything from it. all the time we sculpted the president of the world out of it in our heads, very quickly the request blinded the president of the war.

he also played that role convincingly enough and this role plays quite convincingly. that's what to really believe, nobody knows, and i think he himself, well, but there is with politics, of course, including the president of belarus, who understand perfectly well. and what should they think not about today tomorrow about what will happen in years, and in this sense even the last meeting with the laurel, when the thesis was voiced that it is a matter of ensuring that in the long term ukraine would not be a source of threats to belarus and russia , uh, that's a very important signal. if a in ukraine in kiev, someone else from common sense should understand perfectly well that at least what i was there, as if i didn’t want to go there or how much i didn’t want to, but even here is the most conservative scenario, in which more- less remains, as there is one basic moment. creed cannot have a member of the military-political bloc, it is hostile in belarus and russia in this sense, otherwise not only russia but also belarus will be forced to make all the necessary efforts, in

all planes i will not detail for in order to prevent this. if ukraine wants to hear it and does not want to get an additional 1,000 km of line. front they should have thought about it today. thank you so much to all the participants in today's difficult program, and it is clear that while the war is going on and people are dying, it is emotionally difficult to talk about political prospects, especially for me as a ukrainian. but on the other hand, without moving on to a conversation in a political plane. we are doomed to discuss only the bloody front-line chronicle. and in conclusion. i would like to recall a quote from another hero of the same turbulent events a hundred years ago , the first president of the ukrainian people's republic, mikhail grushevsky, ukraine's misfortune is that it is run by those who do not need it. i hope this changes, thanks. well, now i am authorized to declare. today's ukraine

is not only zelensky's ukraine misled by disputes and disagreements, how to find a formula for peaceful communication time, in fact , becomes a more important resource than money, today it became clear that on is actually happening and what it threatens. we must develop our own strategy, that we must do lessons and once again learn lessons from what we see around the world is changing very quickly, we learn the opinion of experts in the editors' club program. we need to make sure that we provide ourselves with everything, whether it’s bad or not enough, whether it’s a lot, but we must be self-sufficient. do not miss

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