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i am authorized to declare the sass program, i am its host nadezhda sas. i welcome you this program for those who want to better understand what is happening in the world and understand how these processes, events, people will affect the life of everyone and the life of the country, and the main events of world politics this week. we will tell you right now. in germany the minister of defense christina lambrecht, who was strongly criticized by the opposition for the sluggish development of the bundeswehr and clumsy public

statements, resigned, her replacement was a colleague in the social democratic party, the minister of the interior of the federal land. lower saxony boris pisturius the 62-year-old politician is considered a close associate of chancellor wall beans, while a number of american media outlets managed to accuse the new minister of russification. since in the past he allowed himself positive remarks about the russian culture and benefits of economic cooperation with russia according to the world of ulation review of an international government organization, at the end of 2022 , the population of india amounted to 1 billion 417 million people, which is 5 million more than in china . population, while according to many experts. india will also outpace china in terms of economic growth, while remaining

poorer and lagging behind technologically. in any case, according to the un, 6 out of seven residents planets live in countries that cannot be attributed to the political west as a result of a helicopter crash in brovary, kiev region , the minister of internal affairs of ukraine and his first deputy died, more than 10 people became victims of the tragedy, including children, since the helicopter crashed near the kindergarten building, the main version of the tragedy is a violation rule by pilots. l safety precautions, which led to the collision of the aircraft creating the head of the ministry of internal affairs became the first ukrainian politician or high-ranking official, who have died since the start of russia’s special operation on february 24, 2022, and even then his death is not related to the actions of the russian armed forces and the topic of today’s program is another ukraine opposition in the war

, i’ll start today’s personally difficult program for me with a quote from an interesting figure from the times of the civil war revolution in ukraine, the hetman. pavel skoropadsky, the ukrainians have a terrible trait of intolerance and desire to achieve everything, and in this respect it will not surprise me immediately if they decisively fail. whoever wants everything at once , in the end, gets nothing. to me constantly had to tell them about it, but it is unacceptable for them. they did not listen to the hetman 100 years ago, my compatriots are stepping on the same rake. now there is no readiness to reckon with the realities of the history of the economic structure, the composition of the population of ukraine, the unwillingness to take an elementary look at the map and see the objective limitation associated with it for the flight of geopolitical fantasy. they led to the current tragedy about what

kind of people today determine the course of ukraine and about those who oppose them , today's program will be discussed. i'm glad oleg gaidukevich is present in the studio with me, deputy of the house of representatives of the national assembly of the republic of belarus chairman of the liberal democratic party of belarus sergei borisovich stankevich political figure candidate of historical sciences. hello, and oleg voloshin, diplomat candidate of political sciences, joins our broadcast hello, we traditionally start our program with a survey, in your opinion. will the acute phase of confrontation in ukraine end this year sergey borisovich hostilities on the territory of ukraine this year, most likely, will not end, they will end next year. thank you oleg extremely hard. let's get some

predictions. today we see that only belarus, russia and the ukrainian people, who are suffering, do not want war. unfortunately, western players want the war to continue, so it will continue. i am convinced that this year we, unfortunately, really do. uh, we're unlikely to see the end. e conflicts in the sense that get some kind of sustainable peace. at best, that you could say it's a freeze. and then, as far as i understand, this is unlikely to suit either one of the major players, but some such. as they say, this is conditional, there are industries and so on, so this is also unlikely, uh, achievable and very difficult task, therefore, of course, unfortunately, it is difficult to imagine that this will all stretch out for another 12 months psychologically difficult, but healthy meaning suggests that we will need to be prepared for this. thank you sergey borisovich and how did you characterize today's ukraine zelensky well, uh, it's militarized

a state, uh, imprisoned for war. uh, i'd say she's, uh, overfed. e hatred and hatred becomes. e, the main, e, political motor e, i won’t say that there are no grounds for this; indeed, war is always a tragedy and losses, and does not provoke hatred, but nevertheless, when e all politics is built only on it, when hatred is constantly multiplies and grows when there is only the language of ultimatums and there is no readiness to look for alternatives. e naked force. uh, look for options for some kind of reconciliation, then it's uh, well road to nowhere. this path is an inevitable dead end, so uh, unfortunately, ukraine is one-dimensionally uniquely one. moderately militarized and uh,

it cannot yet be a partner for peacekeeping dialogue. unfortunately mine. and the situation in ukrainian politics at the moment is more detailed in our story authoritarian tendencies in ukraine began to intensify a few years ago, and many experts attribute this to the presidency of vladimir zelensky since 2019, the ukrainian leader and his team have monopolized power, subjugating all its structures, and the law on oligarchs and the corruption policy are just an attempt to limit the influence of the richest people in ukraine on the media and politics, which ultimately became a tool of power in the fight against the opposition ukraine post sums. ukraine, without a doubt of superfluous modesty, is the leader of democratic transformations in the region. we have adopted a law on de-oligarchization and are completing the decentralization reform. we are building institutions of direct democracy against the backdrop of hostilities.

all decisions are made by the kyiv regimes. explains in a special position, it was with such rhetoric that volodymyr zelensky began a real war against the opposition in the country, 11 political parties were banned, including the opposition platform for life, everything was accompanied by numerous attempts to discredit their opponents who advocate the normalization of relations with russia, thereby removing objectionable opinions from the political field to control not only people are needed, but also the budget, because the longer the military conflict lasts, the more billions of international aid come to ukraine in connection with this the kiev regime is trying to sideline local leaders in order to maintain its own control over money and weaken any possible political rivals, and dear mr. president. today , your subordinates are trying to remove me from the administration of the city and install their man by appointing a military administration. there are even more

disagreements in chernihiv. inside the country, it arose after a reshuffle in the root, then the positions were removed by the head of the security service of ukraine and the prosecutor general. parallel a large-scale investigation into the case of high treason and collaborationism began. a special place in authoritarian ukraine is occupied by censorship instead of many private channels, ukrainians see, in fact, only one television product, a telethon, unified news on all tv channels, but they practically show the same information, and it does not always correspond to those realities. who see uh, people. uh, at home or in their city they criticize either the marathon and the european union, so the german ambassador to ukraine said that representatives of western countries have not publicly discussed with the ukrainian authorities for a long time the need to move to a more open space in the planet or the ether, however, according to experts. the kiev regime is not ready to give up its

long-awaited control over television. well , authoritarian tendencies, censorship of the defeat , oleg’s position, i think that many ukrainians who voted for mr. zelensky would not like to see ukraine like this. and it’s not even about today’s situation, which is associated with hostilities, because certain trends were already visible in the first year his presidency. please tell me how you assess the current situation in the current ukrainian government, because at some point the entire position that was presented to the pension platform because of the life of the same bloc of petro poroshenko and yulia vladimirovna tymoshenko all evaporated, or else united in the face of a common enemy, but is it really not really the tragedy of the current ukrainian government the tragedy of ukraine is just the loss of sovereignty the independence of this country is the misfortune of this government -

it is her complete dependence not independence is impossible. make a decision and it did not start now, not only from the moment russia launched a special military operation. we saw this a few years ago, when it’s hard to imagine, for example, in belarus, i’m a belarusian politician, belarus, so that our president would get a call from the white house from the united states and say that this prosecutor general should not be. well, we remember the story very well, how biden recently boasted that he flew to kiev for 3 hours in order to shoot some kind of draft, that is, ukraine is not in a position to make decisions not about peace, not about negotiations on any other issues. this is a tragedy, everything else follows from this, both the war and the continuation of hostilities and the situation in the economy, because over the years, over the past 8-10 years, everything has been sold and where they have been sold. they are for the ukrainian people. i would really like to own the land. uh,

ukrainians became factories of enterprises, but this is not true, unfortunately. people abroad began to own, and this again follows from this. here we are talking now about the opposition of ukrainian steel destroy. not now, not a year ago, not two years ago, and not in the fourteenth year. and even earlier, just in the fourteenth year, we saw him drinking facts, when people began to be killed for their position. and the fact that there is an opposition in ukraine , because a huge number of ukrainian people and politicians who wanted to be politicians come up with one program , we won’t even argue now that they have one program, the independence and independence of ukraine is the right of the ukrainian people. we have always dreamed of one thing, that the ukrainian people decide their own destiny. decided it myself. how can he live he built his own country of belarusians. nothing else is needed, for which ukrainian opposition politicians are being destroyed, just at the same time for one good word about russia for

the west, ukraine is needed only for one thing, they don’t care how i live. ukrainians they do not care about democracy freedom. here is what they said in the story, that the europeans are worried that they have one channel. yes, they don't care. how many channels are there? it's a scam, they don't care. these are the words of the word fornication lie europe does not care about the elections in ukraine in belarus in any other country one thing was necessary to turn ukraine into an anti-russian springboard to use it for this, why am i so emotional, because when to turn the same thing, that's all. yes, with us already now on skype as the member of the european parliament miroslav rodachevsky informs me, what is your impression of the ukraine that is currently present in the information space, because today the president calls for war

to fight to fight, and we we hear this from european leaders, and by the way, just recently just a few days ago viktor medvedchuk published an article. and for the first time , calls for peace came from the lips of a ukrainian politician. i remember from july 17, 2019. he was me in what was interesting to them. i spoke. i can now say that victor is his platform. this is the story that will speak. it was all right, because when ukraine thinks that they are fighting for independence and independence. this is

a mistake. on my own i am very hot that the two historical peoples are ukrainian and russian. they say because you need a weapon, you need to fight and not only my opinion about the opinion of many is that it is necessary first of all. we must say it is necessary, such as magical. will talk about people.

attitude towards president zelensky is such that he is in a big mistake, he is a big mistake. because ukraine's own dependence on his leadership will never be all i said. thank you very much, miroslav well, in

fact, it is extremely rare to hear such a position from the mouth of a member of the european parliament sergey borisovich but how do you do you think that not so long ago, commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhny met with the head of the joint chiefs of staff, the united states general miles, that 's what such a meeting says. and what do you think, how stable is the position of mr. zelensky now and whether the chair will shake under him, because there are also certain plans, certain proteges that are beneficial to the same western partners who will actively support ukraine now, well, the head of the joint committee chiefs of staff of the american general milli. this is, uh, a very authoritative person, uh, in the united states, not only in military circles. uh, he has a complicated list corresponding to him in many wars and participated from

the point of view of the american state successfully uh. well, he is also such a, uh, kind of uh landmark uh for the american deep state for this american intelligence- defense community that does a lot to u manage without going to the fore uh america's political strategy is like that. eh, this is the mile. recently, they didn’t give it like a couple of months ago. he just e critically spoke out, and in the address of kiev, believing that the language of ultimatums, e, is an attempt to achieve. how did you refer to skoropadsky? did you bring to this status everything and at once an attempt, uh, to realize some, uh, incredible plans that do not come true, that this is bad, that this is senselessly prolonging the war? that and uh the use of

extreme methods uh the death of people is a tragedy if they uh are victims in the name of a meaningless goal, then this is bad for any state or any political leader. uh, it was this same general who advised kiev, uh, to take some more realistic position and understand that it is necessary to turn towards the world, even if putting forward some realistic positions and demands. now they have met. here is an example that is no longer possible, because zelensky is the personification in this militant zelensky today demonstrates the same intransigence that we talked about and, uh, he continues use the language of ultimatums, but as stated in the article that you mentioned here and the author, who is viktor medvedchuk, uh, in the recent past, uh, a member of the ukrainian parliament. uh, the leader of the positional party, who took second place in the

last elections that took place, uh, in ukraine, so, uh, in his article, he talks about the fact that there are two ukraine, in fact , there is one ukraine, which is anti-russia forever, which never this will not be reconciled hmm by the existence of russia nearby and there is another ukraine which, on the contrary, believes that you need to be next to russia and in the world with russia, and now, this is the most different ukraine for now. e is hidden. she kept silent about it, she was overwhelmed by the existing circumstances. and by the way, or repressive politics too. here, but this is another ukraine e. hmm there is nowhere to go. she is not buried. and it may be now, uh, and after this signal that medvedchuk's article gave, maybe it starts to try the voice begins to try to organize itself, if the movement for e world is for the

peaceful coexistence of two fraternal peoples two fraternal states will arise in ukraine and even more, if this movement is supported by a similar movement for peace in europe, then we will seriously change the current situation, which is extremely dangerous, we are now in the center of a developing war in europe for the first time after the second world war and there are no forces yet, which would hold back the escalation, and only this is the very peaceful movement, first in ukraine a. then maybe in europe as a whole it can become an obstacle to the dam for the further escalation of the european war and in continuation of your words. i would like to tell in our story about the articles of viktor medvedchuk, which amazed many by the fact that calls for peace are heard from the lips of a ukrainian politician. more details in our story. a real

surprise this week was an article by viktor medvedchuk, which he published in the news, many experts believed that after the arrest and captivity, the politician would disappear from public space for a long time. however, after long months of silence, the chairman of the political council banned ukraine from the party. finally, spoke about the situation in the country. i think it is important to work on the peaceful future of ukraine now, it is necessary that all opinions be heard , including the opinions of such politicians as viktor medvedchuk, who delivered his extensive article, should by no means be excluded from the discussion. some opinions, giving priority only to certain positions, ukraine built on such principles will not be more democratic in the first place, according to medvedchuk. the solution to the conflict lies in the recognition of russia's interests, and the european union must stop supporting military action. in ukraine, otherwise the conflict will escalate and spread to europe itself. well international

we remember viktor medvedchuk's peacekeeping efforts very well, but his plans were based on the minsk agreements. he believed that there were real intentions to give donbas autonomy within ukraine, but as we recently learned about angela merkel herself, western elites never considered the minsk agreements seriously, but considered them a trap for russia, obviously the world is not what the world is striving for smell they support the government in kiev or push it towards a peace agreement. and although they, as they themselves admit, to win the war with russia and therefore medvedchuk's peace initiatives that could be successfully implemented. as a result, they turned out to be rejected precisely because then and now the west needs not a compromise, but victory over russia, which i consider unattainable. and that means we can expect an endless war. bear chuk also replied that many ukrainians are also for peace. they do not support zelensky in his pursuit of military triumphs, but for in order for people to be heard, a

political and peaceful movement is needed without the participation of western countries, here i see such a sober, deadly analytics of these processes, to which any sane person can only say yes, in general, this is how he speaks openly about, oh, what exactly 100% thinks, but, unfortunately, everyone who is now at the elite feeder can not afford to say this, because the feeders of ukraine and only other state-owned germany, and as soon as a person goes on camera, he becomes such a person. analysts and i hope

that in the future, well, he will not leave in the fight for justice and because of a better future for our all peoples, leading the european, medvedchuk's political career began back in 1998, when he became a deputy of the verkhovna rada a through 4 2019, he took the post of head of the presidential administration of ukraine following the results of the 2019 elections, the opposition platform party for life, created on the initiative of viktor medvedchuk, took second place, becoming the main critic of the authorities in parliament. after this medvedchuk, his party faced real political persecution in 2021, when the llj rating was 5% higher than the level of support for the ruling party , the court sent the leader of the opposition

platform for life party under round-the-clock house arrest in april 2022 he was detained by sbu investigators on charges of state change in september last year viktor medvedchuk was included in the exchange of prisoners with russia and expelled from the country, and already at the beginning of this he was deprived of ukrainian citizenship and the mandate of a people's deputy. oleg, i am convinced that viktor medvedchuk's article was read in many government offices in different countries, and many who do not dare to talk about peace today and about the peaceful solution of the conflict breathed a sigh of relief that such thoughts began to sound from the mouth of a ukrainian politician? what reactions do you think this publication caused, perhaps you even know about some of them. firstly, of course, you need to understand that the most convenient concept for the party of war today in kiev and

those who will support it in the west is the concept that today russia is fighting with completely ukrainian people and that we are talking about the task of destroying ukrainians, as such , and as soon as it appears, a gap in this theory, as soon as there is an understanding that, in many respects, and not only due to the connectedness of ukrainians and russians among themselves, which turns love into confrontation into an element of civil confrontation, but also into due to the fact that within the ukrainian society itself among ukrainians, who really is e with such a very diverse society historically so developed with different stories, different speakers of different languages, if they lead different religions and so on, that is, ukraine was formed from the beginning in the ninety-first year as a country in which it cannot be. uh, the dominance of one approach. here, as soon as it becomes clear. this immediately complicates the picture of the world and leaves. this fight is there, supposedly. there is no mordor against

some warriors. sveta, it turns out that a, firstly, the question immediately arises that there were political forces and our political force in parliament was the second largest a and at a certain point even the first in ratings before the repressions were deployed, clear followers acted and simply for the fact that it is necessary to fulfill the minsk agreements, it is necessary to find common ground with russia well, she warned that if this is not done, then exactly what began will begin and we, in fact, nobody wanted to hear my own thesis, which was repeatedly voiced that you like it or not, but there will be politicians in kiev who advocate good relations with russia or there will be russian tanks on the territory of ukraine. and when they talked about this earlier, that is, 2 years ago, they laughed at us and said that this would never happen. today. when did russian tanks really appear, and they use this as an excuse for a policy in which they were warned about this. to blame for this war, that is, they made us the people that these tanks called, that is

not poroshenko, who, at first, turned a small mess in the donbass into a full-scale war and did not finish it for many years, not zelensky, who defeated poroshenko actually solely on the promise to end this war, but turned it into an even bigger war. it’s not they who are responsible, but those like medvedchuk and others who said, guys, if you don’t agree with russia, there will be a war thanks sergey borisovich, but according to some experts, in general, the situation that has developed in ukraine for the russian federation is to blame a trap that was effectively implemented by the smell. do you think it would be possible to prevent the fact that today we have such a military clash, which i observe with tragedy, being a christian pacifist by conviction. it was by no means inevitable. let me remind you that ukraine e received dependency e in agreement with russia not at all as a result of a

revolution or a civil war or a national liberation war, completely peacefully. e ukraine gained independence, we agreed on everything. in principle, we agreed, then, by the way, 1991 and relatively e, crimea and that we are not going to fight over it about it was e peace in exchange for broad autonomy, we agreed on the black sea fleet. uh, by entering into a long-term military base lease agreement. uh, perfectly normal relationships developed consistently. nothing foreshadowed war and did not push us to war. uh, until 2007. uh, the nato bloc suddenly did not decide that it would absorb ukraine and georgia, uh, up to this point, but even after 2007, even after that, i will remind you again. in the tenth in the eleventh year hmm uh, we had a strategic partnership

with the european union. we were preparing for the abolition of visas with the european union, we were negotiating about this, we had a partnership program. for the sake of peace with nato, we conducted joint exercises, that is, there was no long-term preparation for war on the part of russia all this time, and hmm where did the war come from? really. it was completely artificially introduced into our relationship. really. eh, the state of war is unnatural for the russian and ukrainian people. and so, on the contrary, it is quite natural that not all ukrainians, but like the idea of ​​fighting to the end to the limit, to as they say, the destruction and dismemberment of russia, uh, like many radicals. now it is pronounced there is no possibility there will never be and no one can ever fight. uh, with history from geography , it’s impossible at the same time to just take ukraine

and transfer it to north america, placing it in the space between canada in the space between canada and the united states of america that is comfortable for someone. ukraine uh, where it is and uh uh, it will take centuries living next to russia and building relationships is not necessarily on the terms of a peaceful, mutually respectful existence in such a way that no mortal threats to russia ever arise from the territory of ukraine. eh, there's a conditional force for that. and for this, now it is necessary that sober voices sound inside ukraine, and it is very important , after all, that europe also has its own european peace party. well, by the way , alikulevich, you perfectly understand that for the republic of belarus history, modern ukraine - this is a history of mistakes and the words of leo tolstoy are remembered , we can’t come to anything else but to

destroy each other, no matter how regrettable it all sounds, but this is a fact. in your opinion , what are the main mistakes that are important to make and, in general, to note their presence of these mistakes for any state, including for the republic of belarus, you, as a belarusian politician, what you see as the main key for yourself. you know that we are united by all europeans, ukrainians, belarusians, russia, ordinary people, we all want normal to live peacefully without war, so that the children go to school normally, so that the mother does not receive a summons that her son is dead, this is what everyone wants. and these people are not heard now, when a german deprives medvedchuk of citizenship, a pike is deprived of citizenship, they shut up the mouths of thousands of ukrainians who think like him, and medvedchuk was a moderate oppositionist. and those who thought

more radically, according to the kiev authorities. they were killed, destroyed, did someone forget the house of the trade unions in odessa i will never forget my grandmother sobes for me, odessa this is my native town. now about mistakes. first mistake. the fate of the country should never be decided on the street, the street is always the collapse of the country and not the fourteenth year. for me, the first step to the collapse of ukraine ukraine occurred when there was the third round of the illegal presidential election of yushchenko yanukovych, then it all started on the streets, and the second was a terrible tragedy. this is the loss of sovereignty, what our lukashenka always talks about is what he has always fought for, which is the fate of the country. you must be in the hands of the country and its people. why does belarus not succumb to provocations today? why is belarus ostrovok today peace? why today belarus is the guarantor of peace not only in the region, but in the whole of europe thanks to us now europe is not blazing. by the way, because

lukashenka alone is our strength, but in europe, here is what medvedchuk wrote about, what we heard today from our colleagues on skype, the voice of the world is simply shutting him up, as they are shutting them down freedom of the press. there is no freedom in europe, today europeans live in an information bubble, where they are told that you must endure all this, because otherwise putin will come with lukashenka will divide and destroy europe and this is a lie, we do not need this europe we want to trade and live with you and another axiom that i will support my colleague. here is one thesis, but it is very well suited for europe, there will never be a strong, calm independence. ukraine without friendship with russia and belarus well , it's impossible, because we're next to impossible. this is that you will fight for 100 years so the country will be destroyed; there is no such thing and you will not fight for 100 years. everything will end faster and europe will not be strong until there are normal relations with russia, so,

when in europe they realize that the americans started everything with one goal of weakening russia to weaken europe , and they succeed, here sergey borisovich, uh, i already recalled, uh, the minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation, mr. lavrov, and his statements that it makes no sense now to negotiate with ukraine and if we agree on something, that is, exclusively with ukraine's western partners who directly make key decisions, and once again stressed that in march there was every chance that the conflict would end and ukraine was practically ready sign certain armistice but west. basically, these were the actions of the uk not allowing. does it do it and today russia no longer wants to talk with ukraine because it does not see its independence. what oleg valeryevich is talking about, how far the west can go for it, because. naturally. now they say not a word about ukraine without ukraine. although i remember very well that for a long time,

everything was decided by the fate of ukraine and whether it would be a battlefield or not? just without ukraine now there is already such a shifter, profitable, a certain participant in march of the past year was fully formed. uh, the treaty was even initialed by both sides, which allowed us to get out of an acute phase war. then indeed the ukrainian side then withdrew from further negotiations. well, to my regret, now it is all the same. uh, i wouldn't entirely agree that negotiation is impossible. uh, it's about what, uh, and even with ukraine it's possible. the point is to formulate some. objective some reasonable achievable beginnings are meaningless talk about when know comes forward. and how is it designated as? eh? shout uh, crows kar. uh, it means that this is capitulation, uh, which, uh,

results in, uh, the restoration of the borders of the ninety- first year, and in repression in relation to almost the entire uh hmm russian political class and reparations. here, uh, about this plan. really. i do not see any realistic program for negotiations. as for any more realistic plan. uh, it’s possible without ultimatums without preconditions, after all, negotiations are starting and, you know, i have a dream. i was thinking just now, when hmm, our conversation was unfolding here. well , what a dream i have, according to various estimates, there are about ten million russian citizens in russia who have relatives in ukraine, about 10 million - these are separated families, part of uh, in ukraine part of russia, you can imagine how deeply they experience all this. this is how i picture myself. now, if the russian part of the family and

ukrainian. here they would come from both sides of the border. we would have met there, and hugged and said everything stop. no, but negotiations two words. here. uh, when you cannot say that you are for the war, in fact, what is happening politicians in the modern world can not say, i am in favor of the war. he can’t say so for this, then you have to carry nonsense, but some conditions that cannot be met. that's when the politicians start talking, but in real conditions, when there will be peace, but i supported, in belarus, a huge number of people who have relatives in ukraine, a thousand ukrainians. now belarus has found shelter here blood. and this will always be never in belarus it won't be otherwise. here it is let the whole world listen. a of course, sergei borisovich touched me, but with your dream. of course, i would love to see it come true. oleg , will you please tell me if you believe in a diplomatic settlement of the conflict,

because at the moment it looks like something absolutely fantastic and hope for a change in the rhetoric that is inherent in the ukrainian authorities today. well, it seems to me that it is already impossible to form, uh, a union state, but if we look in historical terms, uh, then, uh, the role of ukrainians in being the empire of the russian empire there, then it transformed the soviet unprecedented, that is, in fact, the ukrainians were always the second people of the empire, which is not just contrary. there it is said that the nationalists were not oppressed for the most part, but was the builder of this empire from feofan prokopovich, one of the teachers of peter i. who is the leader there? cannons, uh, the soviet union, uh, under brezhnev, uh, the huge role of the ukrainians was in all the gains and achievements and to separate where there is who, uh, for example, korolev was born and zhytomyr allowed

a person into space. yes, gagarin, the russian flew, but naturally, one without the other did not take place today, again, russia, the belarusian southern state is the will of the belarusian russian people, but if we look at the number of ukrainians who today - these are not just relatives, but it’s just that there are many ukrainians with ukrainian passports, who today are in the territory controlled by moscow, there are more of them than belarusians. that is, today they set for today, uh, 10-12 million ukrainians are in the controlled maritime territory. this is the second nation again. u in russia, uh, this is the second people of russia, i'm not talking about the fact that there is valentina matvienko, the speaker of the light of the federation , and many others in top positions that are technical to ukrainians. and therefore, in this sense, a settlement between russia and ukraine is possible, simply as a settlement, for example, between, say, russia and china, two completely separate civilizations and cultures. here, of course, we need to talk about, and i'm talking about this was all the logic from putin's article on this

topic, which he wrote even before the start of the concentration, and so on, and medvedchuk also formulates it, he did it as honestly and correctly as possible. previously, we made a mistake. we said there is anti-russia of pro-western ukraine yes, and there is a kind of neutral multi-vector ukraine that seems to be friends with everyone at once, but this ukraine that goes next to russia, ukraine, there is kavoka all over the roads. while bogdan khmelnitsky korolyov and others who, together with the russians, did something like this ukraine, as it were, is not. but as if it disappeared altogether, as an option, so today we are talking about the fact that anti-russians need to be opposed about russia, which will be formed by ukrainians, who are consciously aware of themselves as ah, co-authors, like belarusians today in their majority, then there will be no other option for the authors of a certain common future, that is, it will be impossible to form-again everything at the level of some neutral ukraine, which after some time will again build anti-russia out of it again

. i am sure that russia does not we are talking about the fact that in the long term to resolve the issue so that today belarus is, and not a threat, at least, but in fact a partner and friend of russia and, together with russia, sees its future, and that other ukraine that will built. let not in the entire territory. this is already a different question, it is a matter of discussion, but i’m also saying this new, absolutely honestly and objectively, they throw stones at me in kiev as much as they like in fact, well, for kievans, in principle, inclusion on belgorodskaya a cage tv channel is already equal to a crime, but in reality, and therefore i say, as it is objectively, and the point is that whatever ukraine it is, it should be ukraine that cannot pretend to be neutral today, and tomorrow it will again become anti- russia that from the long-term formation of a partner from ukraine similar to the one that belarus is today for russia. you see , the time for decisive action. yes, sergei

borisovich, ukraine must cease to exist. uh, the prize is the prey that's being fought over two opposing hostile blocs to get away from this monstrous role, because forever sitting in a kind of trench on the border of two warring blocs that are fighting for you, you can if you 're lucky, you can survive for a while, but you can't prosper, but you can build a prosperous state. in this condition. it is impossible to stop this enmity and stop being a prey, stop being a prize, which, well, someone from outside must come and win. this is indeed a responsible historical choice that a responsible national elite of ukraine which formation, which i hope, is still ahead after a short pause. we will return to our discussion again. stay with us. on the air,

sas is authorized to state the topic of the program, another ukraine opposition to the war has always taken the initiative. the republic of belarus has always been a platform with calls for peace, having implemented the same minsk agreements. ukraine could escape what it has now. in your opinion, will minsk be able to help out of this crisis, help stop the war, which helps, that is, in general, throughout the years, belarus has done everything to ensure that there is peace in ukraine and that alexander gorkyovich builds up from russian relations. lukashenka, our president, turned a blind eye to unfriendly rhetoric. e on the sanctions that were imposed on ukraine against belarus did. this is not for the kiev authorities. he does this for the belarusian and ukrainian people. he always said that our relationship is these, a human family friends. they are more important than politics. he

always says it. now for concrete actions in the fourteenth year, belarus did a lot to sign the minsk agreements , when someone starts to argue it could be signed anywhere. these are people who are far from politics, who do not understand the essence of the processes, no, it was impossible to sign anywhere and further events. it was minsk that proved this, and it was the min that played this role and the president of the country went on. uh, when the military special operation of russia began, i want to remind you that the negotiations were again in belarus and belarus was excluded from the peace process not by the will of ukraine and not by the will of russia and russia and ukraine platform. minskskaya was actually profitable; they removed it. the west opposed it because you know what could happen. they could agree, but the west did not need it, so they removed belarus from this process. now, throughout all these months, attempts to draw belarus into active hostilities. e, provoking

it continued throughout the entire period , moreover, at a meeting with lavrov, the president of belarus said that it was an amazing thing. we perfectly understand who ukraine is to this, pushes for today, as it is now acting in belarus, it does not give in to provocations. and when you ask a question. is it possible that belarus will do something for the world, it is now doing everything for the world that we are building up a joint grouping with russia that we are strengthening the border that we are preparing our armed forces is not aimed at war, it is aimed at peace, everything we do now, we want to avoid war and make ourselves stronger, but more than once it was said that belarus does not take part in a special war operations, which is another task. this is the protection of the allied perimeter of the border. we will never betray russia. we will never allow a stab in the back under it, because it is our duty. but the most amazing thing is that this is beneficial for both the ukrainian and the whole of europe and the

european community. society, because today belarus stands in the way of unleashing a huge war in europe, and, unfortunately, there are enough people who want to develop it. recently, a meeting was held in minsk between the minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation sergey lavrov and the president the republic of belarus alexander lukashenko will hear the main statements right now the problems associated with the operation of the russian federation in ukraine everything i promised everything that russia needs in this difficult period. what is there for russia, for us, for russia, belarus, we do with any contacts that we have with the west and others. we are talking about the fact that russia has never been against the world, please, let's negotiate. we are ready to participate in this, there should be no doubt about it. if anything, then it is necessary from our side, and we can do it. you know well what we can do.

let's just say we'll work together. hand in hand, we will not twist something here, and today security for us, not only for russia, is even more important for us, you know the plans of our western neighbors, not only ukraine, uh, they are trying to use ukraine against belarus, but what amazes me and pleases me surprises, but ukraine is still holding on. she does not go to provocations against belarus. although it is actively pushed by our westerners. the neighbors also know who, so you have to withstand this time, but the fact that we will endure in the past 22 years has shown here that we adhere to the same positions with you. well , we are forced to complete our program with the final word. i would like to give ukrainian politician ukrainian diplomat oleg please. i really would like to

really thank my belarusian colleagues for everything that has been done to ensure that there is peace in ukraine. uh, but uh, definitely we all remember how in one of our interviews. uh, the president of belarus said that he had ukrainian roots, and in any case, it is not only for him, because the neighboring country, and in many ways, uh, close people, uh, and uh, in fact, in the current conditions, is colossally important. e in my understanding. eh, indeed. eh, such presence is visionary. uh, that is, the ability to think for years to come not to be plasticine, like our actor, standing head of state, who, like a good actor, is a convenient plasticine in the hands of others, you can mold anything from it. we from it all the time there sculpted the president of the world from it in our heads very quickly the request molded the president of the war. he played that role quite convincingly and this video plays quite convincingly. here's what to really believe, no one knows, and i think he himself, ah but ah is. from

politics, of course, including with the president of belarus, who understand perfectly well. and what should they think not about today tomorrow about what will happen in years, and in this sense, even the last meeting with the laurel, when the thesis was voiced that we are talking about ukraine not being a source of energy in the long run? threats for belarus, russia, uh, this is a very important signal. if, in ukraine, in kiev, someone else has common sense, they should perfectly understand that at least what i was there, no matter how much i didn’t want to go there or how much i didn’t want to, but even here is the most conservative scenario, in which more or less remains, as there is one basic moment, a native can not have a member of a military-political bloc hostile to belarus and russia in this sense. otherwise, not only russia but also belarus will be forced to do everything necessary all the efforts, in all planes, i will not detail in order to prevent this. if ukraine wants to hear it and does not want to get an additional 1,000 km

of line. front they should have thought about it today. thank you, thank you very much to all the participants in today's difficult program, and it is clear that while the war is going on and people are dying, it is emotionally difficult to talk about political prospects, especially for me as a ukrainian. but on the other hand, without moving on to a conversation in a political plane. we we are doomed to discuss only the bloody front-line chronicle. and in conclusion. i would like to recall a quote from another hero of the same turbulent events a hundred years ago, the first president of the ukrainian people's republic, mikhail grushevsky, ukraine's misfortune is that it is run by those who do not need it. i hope this changes, thanks. well, now sas is authorized to declare. today's ukraine is not