on the air of the weekly socio-political talk show, today we will essentially talk about our friends, distant and close friends in the economy. we will talk about new trading horizons and new opportunities with you kirill kazakov and alena serova, each of you , our viewers, can become a participant in the conversation. express your opinion. ask questions please. point your smartphone at this qr-code and join our conversation. hello, i definitely call myself a layman in economics. yes, that is, my economy is most importantly, the salary that i share there for certain expenses in the store is what i have to give exactly to my wife to pay the price for some kind of study. that's it, yes, it's true, here, naturally, by virtue of the profession, one has to study some areas, so for me personally, as a layman, it seems that and even the presentation

of journalists. and about how our economic relations and, above all, international relations are developing, it has changed a bit. look, they said very often, about 10-15 years ago, that we can sell, for example, the masses to us, perhaps mtz is not needed. i'm not saying that such thoughts existed at the state level, but they yes, but they wandered around somewhere . here is the most. here, my favorite last story is about a bearing plant, when the russians arrived in minsk and suddenly it turned out that the bearing plant in belarus is the only one in the expanse of the union state that produces bearings that, in principle. needed for tanks. this is how the real sector of the economy turned out this year, according to the forecasts of many economists. uh, gives to us the opportunity for growth is the real sector of the economy, as for the last month there is an exhibition going on for a week, we are intellectual belarus yes, we look really praise people come there. she

's so adaptable so many kids so many who are trying to find out what we can produce. and most importantly, sell. well, and most importantly, the visit of the president, which he is making this week, first to the united arab emirates and today there are literally a few hours. yes, he arrived in harare. this is the capital of zimbabwe it would seem what connects belarus and zimba well, what is it? yes, we talked there, there, it seems, there are diamonds, there seems to be something else. well, even get one. we have never been colonizers. we transferred a partner. yes, what do we need in africa, the first second. from what i have said, these enterprises of ours are the real sector of the economy. this is an exhibition about our science-intensive technologies, what you can really offer, or we go there like conquerors in pith helmets. no, well, what in uh, first of all, you don't forget that africa already exists er two of our assembly plants. in the republic of south africa and in egypt,

agricultural machinery is being assembled, respectively, it is necessary to expand the market for these branches, which, well, will work in the near future. e on the african continent is the first. uh, secondly, you don't forget. here, it seems, it seems that this is the country in which there is not even an independent currency. you know they use an american home. well, i remember this story. there was some kind of very irrepressible inflation with so many zeros that such here's the story, uh, but it's not that they don't have their own currency, it's that they have platinum, they have diamonds. they have cobalt and, by the way, when you talked about bearings, and in addition, our mechanical engineering is quite developed. e, cobalt , it turns out, i frankly did not know, but i looked that why is cobalt needed in school? it is necessary in order to

strengthen steel parts, well, in mechanical engineering, you know that it is used quite widely than this country americans are here useful over their minerals found the country. yes, somewhere like this, yes, that's why, from this point of view, it is necessary to build cooperation in the same way as with love by an african country. you look at what is happening in africa now, then lavrov is going there with the russian federation immediately after lavrov, elena is going to the south african republic where our assembly plant is also before. they tried to intimidate. uh, african countries, and now they are already proposing real projects in the same way that we are proposing a project travels through the same states. that is , the americans are traveling, that is, they understood, uh, the resources are exhaustible, and if the game closes, uh, which was

not started in ukraine, then you need to look for new sources, in particular, for rare earth materials, it is clear that, they have a resource then the question arises. you know, even, probably, on some kind of mental, or something ideological breakdown, that is, uh. it's no secret that yes to the inhabitants of africa and the same americans in principle. well, that's how they were treated with condescension. yes, what a sin these relate, in principle, and especially on an equal footing. well, i think that everyone understands perfectly well the talks and the ideologue to expect, but obviously it’s not worth it at the same time, but we see something that is still trying to build such political relations. andrey vladimirovich, in your opinion, why do they need it lower, as if now they are in a more advantageous position. we have a resource. let's line up here in front of us. we will listen to you and see.

indeed, africa has recently occupied an important role as an international system of relations and business. it's not just about the economy. as you have noticed, uh, in recent years, in general, politics largely determines the economy here, the relationship is very tight and close. if earlier we said that politics is a concentrated expression of the economy. now the emphasis has been shifted. and here the african continent is 55 countries. these are decent resources, about which we can speak a very solid market, and it attracts the attention of all the big players. and the european union is there. a long time ago and the colonial past also plays a negative positive role in this. these are big topics like this. but in any case, the european union , in the multilateral and bilateral format, is working very closely there. the united states has a format. states of africa, these

political summits are present very solidly, especially in recent decades. china russia also does. now another turn towards africa and enjoys the advantages that the soviet union had there, the same technologies, political relations are largely here an important point is that the countries of africa in many respects constitute themselves, that same non-west, which we have been talking about a lot lately, and what is not the west? this is somewhere a unified approach to the construction of a new system. we call it polycentric multipolar and so on. so africa is more than 50 countries. this is a quarter of the votes of the united nations, this is a solid resource that also needs to be worked on in the political arena. i understand everything perfectly, really big. well, here is an example. uh,

when mr. gaddafi wanted to lead a unified african currency backed by dollars. this caused an extremely uncomfortable attitude towards him on the part of the americans, and a revolution was staged in libya. well, as if everyone understands perfectly well, that is, this is a big continent, a rich continent. however, there are so many opinions and so many people who can make decisions not in favor of russia and not in favor of belarus, and either they forcefully say, there, really. well, there are so many things in the earth that for some reason, well, i’m kind of afraid that we will have to compete not with the zimbabwean relatively speaking, but with the americans, who have a lot of money. this is how we can be in this market. it is precisely such competitors that everything is right in front of us , and moreover, we must take into account the difficult political situation, for example, north africa is now predicted. well, like the second e. with the revolution that we

call the arab spring, there are those. well, the prerequisites, relatively speaking, the region is very complex, including politically, but we need to work, and here it is necessary to emphasize the next moment and of course, it is necessary to create all mechanisms for a diplomatic economic presence, namely mechanisms for institutions, a bilateral commission, it is necessary to use the experience of russia and the eurasian economic union the fact is that the eurasian economic union has recently been actively forming a bilateral agreement, including within the framework of free trade zones . this also applies and may apply to those countries that are located in africa; they also have their own integration associations and exit through an integration association. for example, economic community of west africa it is more comfortable more er, more effective sometimes than interstate relations. that is, it is a start to work and in many ways, by the way,

it begins with recognizing the country's mentality, culture, history, culture, business, and so on. all these are our employees who work there are different americans. eh, just needed. if we want to build some kind of relationship i must say that belarus, in principle, is also changing. we also want to be recognized and change our image somewhat. here is the head of state said so long ago. i completely agree with him, with regards to our e russian brothers, and that for a long time they, e, considered us there a country in which only potatoes are grown yes, combines and tractors collect bearings, he said, well, they knew the bearings, but it was not accurate . now they perfectly understand perfectly know everything. they look the same, but there are already other space technologies, again this exhibition showed. it is possible, electronics and so on. everything that, in principle, everything that we, in principle, are proud of. that is, belarus

a country with developed, uh, technologies, a country that, in principle, wants to be seen and perceived for this. well, we should not only be based, probably, on the sale or, hmm, on the creation of some kind of assembly plants yes, cooperation moments related to, uh, the sphere of agriculture, but also talk about technologies in eldgench. the question is such, uh, profile yes, in principle, did you study the possibilities of cooperation with that region and and how far now, uh, hmm, you can confirm or refute my words about what we really become, well, that's more attractive in terms of development. here are these high-tech intelligent. thanks for the question. so , you said that the new african region is such a resource base, but we forget that belarus, uh, it has an intellectual resource. an exhibition that has been going on for a week and a half cannot be called belarus

intellectual. i think those who were aware that there were more than 400 different developments. e in various fields precisely with high technology new technologies, presented in this exhibition. and in truth, we need to appreciate it and scale it up, uh, not only to the nearest regions, but naturally to the countries. well, what can we specifically offer? it ’s understandable that we are an intellectual country, but uh, for example, here, er, unfortunately, not so much work is done with the african region even in the socio-technical universities of the technopark , in particular, but, nevertheless, the central asian region. last year, we launched a joint production for orthopedic traumatology. that is, uh, technopark and ben-tu supplies blanks. there, the packaging is finished, labeled and shipped. uh, the population of uzbekistan, that is, what exactly are medical products for traumatology for osteosynthesis of bones. that is, it is something artificial joints there is something like this, yes, bones for

prosthetics for endocensing. this is the next step. this is an import substitution step. we used to acquire this as an import substitution step. it is for our country to scale to the russian federation to kazakhstan to uzbekistan and possibly in the future to african countries region. this is already an export. it's straight export. well, how, in principle, do you assess the promising cooperation. well, with such distant partners of ours, it is clear that now it is easiest to go about the thorny path, which has already been debugged, as they say, the russian market. now it will absorb everything that, in principle, we will offer them not russian, but chinese. but what to do with our other partners. and in general, as far as there is. here is trust in quality, or something, e belarusian these intellectual and high-tech i won't say products. the rector of the belarusian national technical

university is currently on a working visit to the african region and is laying the foundation. there e work with the african region, however, we have. uh, this year, from the country of africa, 150 people are studying at the belarusian national technical university, respectively, in the future it will be a joint curriculum and internships, and so on. that is, it is about the fact that it is important to understand the mentality, it is important to understand these cultural moments. how quickly pass e, the integration of these foreign students. here's to our learning process. well, in principle, how comfortable they feel here, what is quite important, belarus is an open country, so it’s quite good, but still, we talked a lot about the fact that even if we now take zimbabs, then, in principle, the country is an agrarian, and of course, ours are very much in demand there. uh, our agricultural technologies are from technicians. here, viktor viktorovich, how, in principle, gonselmash does this. are standing. uh, considered whether or considering the level at which you have established relations with the african region

, but we have always understood that the african market is quite a promising other point, that it is necessary to take into account the political economic situation in a particular country and the logistics of supplies. and if you take, well, literally 5-6 years ago, we had scattered one-time stands on the african continent, but er, with the advent of hmm our partner , this is an auto-raid company that operates on the african market. she deals with, among other things, and the implementation of our belarusian technology. uh, with the help of all the information feed flew around. as representatives of this company sign agreements, there is almost exactly right by the rulers, including with homos, it was written one of the first yes, and uh, that's zimbabwela. i think it serves as a prime example of our cooperation. african continent, but since the twentieth year, the first coasters have gone. they

have already begun to be measured in double digits, and i will say the following: according to our information, it is officially published food safety, no one has canceled yet. naturally, on the example of the republic of belarus , this is eloquent. eh, the republic of zimbabwe for its forty or forty years of history, for the first time, let's say, uh, left the import of grain, so even those deliveries are not only harvesters, but agricultural machinery of belarusian production. they did their job, and this is a vivid example for other countries of the african continent. well, from the point of view of logistics, you decide the issue. well, you know, at least mention that the first deliveries started in 2020, then everything has already happened, to put it mildly, not very simply, well, we are solving these issues, among other things. uh, certain supply chains remain with us, we have found a new logistical

route. together with our partners, there are carrier companies that deliver equipment directly to the african continent, so i think we should not have problems with this at first , now not all manufacturers disclose their logistics routes, because everyone understands everything perfectly. well, here's the question anyway. by the way, is it profitable from the logistical side? we export to africa yes, and like duties in the same zimbab are high. by the way, logistics duties, with whom do you have to compete? because i don't think it's so good and so sugary to enter this market. here they come and once, firstly, i understand that the equipment must also be adapted to these conditions. right absolutely right. so, of course, we compete with all global companies. everyone goes there, both western europe and the usa, which present the latest technologies, but we do not stand still. uh, our products enjoy a certain demand, that is, it has

established itself and the geography of coasters is already expanding on the african market from a fairly good side. and if he called, u, that our coasters are measured in double digits, then i think, already this year next year. these should be at least three-digit numbers and we will be able to replace, among other things , let's say uh hmm that we no longer supply western europe what we do not supply to ukraine i always say that you can’t store eggs in one basket. yes, you correctly said that the russian market ready today. well, to absorb everything that we produce, but you need to have, uh, purposeful cooperation and have a certain vector with other regions in this regard, because in one you, even in 2-3 years, you will not solve certain issues that have been resolved for years, therefore, here this cooperation she must and from herself with the best hand, and as i said

, it is possible to increase our geography of deliveries to the african continent until we develop the topic. these are the difficulties that principe will face, in addition to certain nuances. these political unrest and so on irina vasilievna what else, and what other pitfalls are there in africa? i also wanted to clarify. here's, uh, the previous point where you talk about exports, but don't forget. well, where did i start from, that assembly plants in the republic of south africa when you talk about customs e-e customs duties, we must not forget that there are customs unions in africa, getting into one of the countries we can export without customs duties. e to another country, so the problem is being solved here, so the ghusulman needs to think. i think that you probably also studied this issue, how you can break into the market of other african countries. for example, while doing assembly, and in the republic of south africa , here, therefore, this is a rather important

point, pitfalls, about which you ask, we will have a very big question. why am i talking about cobalt, because in african countries, after all , this is not the first attempt to go to african countries. uh, in 2011, the task was set to break through. e to the african continent. i remember giving it interview. eh, one of the allied channels, so to speak, and then muscovites began to call me from russia and said, you are crazy . eh, how are you? can you go there? they have nothing to pay with, that is, to the question that cyril is well done, or the russians. why they say so, because they don’t have pmc lager , you understand, and there they just came and prayed. immediately the french left burka left. well , the fact is that you don't have to necessarily about musicians, you can pay and economically you give us cobalt well, what can we do?

yes, a normal story, but it will certainly be more difficult, but no less you can try to go this way, it's not averse. and we tell them what they tell us, that in the context of your sphere, they don’t have a tree there, there is a baobab for the whole savannah in the context of woodworking and woodworking production. we mainly supply paper and cardboard to african countries. this is the newsprint of our newsprint factory at the cardboard school of the dobrush paper factory hero of labor, that is, we think that zimbabwean newspapers are printed on our paper. we are not yet supplied. basically. this is egypt uh, hmm morocco tunisia uh, in. the nearest countries are the so -called african region and we are going quite successfully, we have been present on this market since 2015 and we also understand that despite the fact that it was and remains more profitable for us to trade with the european union , the implementation of sanctions with the russian federation, but we are still trying there to stay behind

and develop all the time, because we understand what is right. and they say we need to diversify our export supplies. from a political point of view and in general trends and fashion uh, that's when we were preparing for this program, right? and when, in principle, it became known that the head of state appeared on such a tour, but usually what do we see in our news feeds, and the opinion of our opponents, so to speak, is positive, yes, yes, they are all kinds of jokes there, yes, but a comparison about who is dating whom, and here they say, like, and the level is also a zimbab to me, but it looks like a few decades of decades, remember laughing, then. remember that who is something now, i somehow did not directly notice this. andrey vladimirovich well, that's why they began to take it more seriously , in principle, and to understand how

important are the voices that may be on the hitherto, and the little-known continent or something else has changed. the problem is that africa, like many other regions, is a growing market. this is very much determined by whoever comes first. yes, they have the most stringent, perhaps in the world, terms of trade, let's say very difficult conditions for investing. if we think about it, this is very difficult, but we must understand that having entered once already it is possible to expand the field of work and in five to ten years it may be completely different, i emphasize with the corresponding work. results. this is evidenced by the example of china, which is implementing infrastructure projects there and in many african countries. more

than ours, of course, more. yes, but china is also our strategic partners and experience and support and competition should be used to our advantage. i would like to say these nuances and difficulties of entering the chinese market. we remember, that's uh, as soon as appeared some information that one or another, another category of our goods of our products appeared in china well, just the whole thing. eh, the event was one. i remember i left, and that’s how it was from everyone who wrote about ice cream, which was sold on the market in china indicate narrow ones, but really, not everything is so sweet, of course, we must understand that africa is a fairly multinational country, which has a large number of wanderer and has specific predilections in particular. now,

if we are talking about food, then not every product that would be faster would be a metal country there, so i saw the pork stew in the photo, i tried it gladly. they brought it. yes, we took a fairly wide range of our products, as far as it was possible to deliver. and here they are today. and in principle, well, he shows quite such an active interest , so i would like to repeat myself. yes a country is not a country enough continent for us. uh, fairly new. and appreciating the scale. how many people live there who need food and our capacity and ability to produce food to supply? yes, we are studying now. well, i think about ten. strange, but from african countries we supply trial batches, which, in principle, are in demand there, when we talked about entering the european market, let's say our milk is dairy products. we talked

about the need to get some 101 certificates there, which is almost impossible receive. naturally. and here is what we can get. possibility there i do not know, again our these packages. uh, put the milk somewhere, and in terms of the requirements of the african continent. do they have any certificates that we need to get something to prove to someone or go directly, negotiate and work. you see, each country takes care of its inhabitants and, accordingly, veterinary certificates, certificates. health, every country has it, but the question is how much they are uh not tough, and hmm, not enough to say so, but the necessary, that is, a set of indicators, how necessary it is, work in this direction is being carried out and we are producing products one way or another, but we are supplying products of animal origin, not of animal vegetable origin. that is, these works are planned.

what volumes are we talking about? you can say volume. now, of course, we cannot voice them there. what is sufficient or insufficient. yes, this should be attributed only to trial batches of individual enterprises vladimirovich, see ours again. here it is , returning by the same channel that is about us always write. only they say badly, well, how small, belarus can feed the same african continent when you read the statistics, for example, and the economic and crowds of development countries there and the supply of certain products around the world. it turns out that little holland is in the top 3 countries that are known for their food around the world. well, she still makes one of the two countries that makes machines on which microchips are also produced, such a unique story, but holland feeds everyone. we all know, for example, by the end of the nineties the new zealand australian, butter, that is, somehow arrived argentine e, beef. that is, it turns out that holland is fed.

maybe, but belarus cannot do that. maybe belarus will feed everything. well, about the whole world, of course, it is difficult to speak, but to provide significant. e part of the population we are able we also have enough m-m, in demand products, we can export cheeses and exported in sufficient quantities also butter, which competes quite actively and again from zealand therefore food. you all the time say, uh, food exports. why did you forget about our fertilizer? i want to say that in zimbabwe, the earth is very depleted, they did not lead quite correctly there. ah , agriculture. yes, yes, eighties. it was a colony not until the eighties, but they really messed up over the past 20 years, when there, well, let's not touch the political ones, they also took up privatization. ah, privatization. well , in general, let's not touch on this, nevertheless, a bad land, and therefore, i think, that's when

the question arises about our kolins, our nitrogen ones. fertilizers and e, here and in gomel there is a plant that deals with additives there, but you should think about exporting exactly this kind of goods and, uh, you don’t have to supply your products to feed. we are agricultural technology. we can in our e in the second part of our program. i remind you that this is a talk show in essence. today we have an export version of the program. we are talking about our export not only to the nearest, but also to far abroad, and this is a very paradoxical question for me. look , in general, in principle, the economy is built on the main postulate. need somewhere very profitable earn. well, it's the simplest, really. look, it means that we have the russian market and everyone. now they tell me one by one what we can sell to the russian market. especially after this signing of twenty-

seven agreements that the two presidents approved and that’s it. the government began to work, we suddenly remembered that we have such a strong alliance and that the russians are really interested in our products. we got access to their market. i have a question. of course, i understand this phrase here about that you don’t need to store eggs in one basket, i absolutely agree, but why, if i sell everything profitably to russia, if my deliveries are growing there, if i have a well- established, there is a price environment, i have suppliers that i trust. i have buyers for some loans related to my business. why should i drive three combines, four sticks of sausage and, relatively speaking, three packs of paper, now i’m exaggerating on the african continent. why i’ll explain. can i answer, uh, with the president's words? he once a few years a meeting about three years ago, probably met with the russian president, and here are his words verbatim. i always thought we were

feeding russia a. it turned out that our market also has a lot of food products, uh, agricultural products, so we are talking about the fact that when you say, here you have set everything up, you have one market, and you froze. if we freeze, then indeed the russians can already feed us or someone else. this is me, for example, saying, or someone else the economy must develop, and in addition, do not forget there is a so-called product life cycle and there comes a time when, for example, gumselmash. uh, well, some model has exhausted itself there, but it works well in africa. you can hand over its assembly to africans. but about intellectual, belarus. when you say, and there we will already have unmanned driving. there will be something more intellectual. you understand what i am talking about, that is, yes, we must develop, and therefore, when, uh, if we become fixated on one

market, then i say it again, then a situation will develop. when a we are from all markets we leave, and we were even given out from that market. well , if with technology with technology, in principle, it's clear then. what to do with paper, we will have a white one, they will have a yellow one, or vice versa, as you understand? in our sales structure, up to sanctions or pulp, we will sell more than 40% for export to the european union. we know what happened, they imposed sanctions against us. if we didn’t have developments in african countries , we wouldn’t have developments in asia, china, russia, we would not be able to reorient so quickly, therefore, in order to know logistics , understand how it is built, know pricing, you need to be present everywhere. yes, you can diversify both percentages and volumes. eh, to vary this already, the leader correctly says that he understands where the economy is higher premium markets go there the main stream, but you can’t leave completely, otherwise, then it may collide well? i have

one more question. it's called from a liberal economics textbook. look here. in soviet times, the foreign ministry called the exporter's house with us, in principle, the same story has been preserved, that is, our embassy, ​​which is located all over the world. this is primarily the economic representation of the country. we, as it were, do not go deep into politics, let alone into the internal politics of countries. we are not americans, not british, nor europeans, but on the other hand , the same question arises. there is a transnational corporation, which, in principle, has a representative office around the world. and, probably, it is easier for them, that is, they understand the market somewhere. fell, sanctions appeared somewhere, quotes appeared somewhere, shares rose, and they simply vary in that way. why does the state need to enter into this headlong, if in theory it is possible? well, as everyone says, well, let's sell our tractor and the same company, well, conditionally, a caterpillar about selling mtz around the world viktor viktorovich of course, this is from the facets of fantasy. wait, this is not fiction, this is from the economic programs of comrades in the twentieth year, when they specifically

spoke. let's close mtz 17.5 thousand people should go in and we will sell this mtz company to a conditional caterpillar, which it will naturally go bankrupt, because no one needs any competitor of the same africa why did the state authorities answer their own question, because it is difficult difficult to add something, if you believe so, uh, everything is fine there, i tell you positively, true alyona well, yes, i want to give one example on and on television they showed this fact. here is 2022 , one of our energy-saturated machines gs2124, and the steep mountains of podvinsk are petkovichi. she er hmm well, she broke the record for threshing, that is, more than six thousand tons of grain and not one vaunted western harvester did not bypass them,

therefore, to say that we are somehow backward, that we have no chance of survival. we even brought the guinness records to the most difficult. this fact has not yet been entered, but next year it will definitely be brought in, because we will still go for a better result. i think in order to be e , or rather, he worked his own. cities set important what to clean as well from this point of view. it seems to me that they need our technologies in the field of agriculture. the same vladimir viktorovich, that's how ready we are for the export of technologies. we even remember the example from the russian federation when you remember our cows on sakhalin , a whole agro-town, they built there, and so on and so forth, but it seems to me that this is a good story, in principle. and we, too, can, probably, export something there, teach something on a turnkey basis, build it and give it away,

how much it will be in demand at all. they didn’t teach the russians how to make condensed milk, you know, but only with us it’s the only true secret. we didn't share. well of course, belarus, you correctly said, it has always been, uh, a reliable partner and always build relationships of mutually beneficial partnership. we are actively sharing our technology developments with countries that are ready for partnerships and we have rich experience in agriculture in technologies such as growing crops, such as cattle breeding, which will be in demand in africa, and now processes are underway. uh, well, you can’t call them integration, of course, these are such trial meetings of trial negotiations studying the same mm. well, the climate, you can even say in general terms, because the features of agriculture are the same, well, we all understand from the school of geography that it will be different. e

agriculture, it will bear fruit all year round, but therefore work in this direction, of course, can certainly be more interesting, but agriculture is probably more than the same animal. why, then, do the earth live as an industry, which can e find e our technologies of application on the african continent their, for example, technology to us, relatively speaking, meat zebra. well, i'm joking, of course, well, nevertheless , we import ostriches, why not, about which we seem to have already gotten used to thinking that an ostrich always lives, as the chinese say that the world is so big, what to say that something then no. this is impossible. so yes, i have a question. i'll come back to this question a little. here tell me. uh, yes, yes, probably, yes, probably, our uh, tractors and combines harvest the best and most of all, but still i have

a question. what difference does it make who owns enterprise of a transnational corporation or the belarusian state. look, again , the logic of our comrades who tried to arrange a revolt here with taxes. where in the country are the people who work belarusians belarusians. as a matter of fact, the company can be called belarusian, well, in part, yes, that is, in principle, all the benefits. what's the difference here? who owns who? well, in fact, when we focus on such a question, that is, ownership, who owns and give as an example, a constant corporation here needs to be understood that after all a, despite the fact that they operate in such different jurisdictions they apply different mechanisms. well, the so-called optimization of taxation and so on, nevertheless. after all, they are head offices for the most part residents, and specific countries. and what is important, that is, in these countries, as a rule, such a practice is practiced, the so -called wild, that is, dispersed forms of

ownership. and there really is more important that management, or rather than the shareholders who own the company, that is, we have, uh, let's say this corporate one. management, these approaches, well, they, well, to put it mildly , did not take root, and they were trying to start one time earlier through the banking sector. we still have e, well, certain dedicated ones. yes, a concentrated owner, eh, but then again, after all, these issues are, say, ownership of the voice and management of the distribution of ownership and configuration of assets. even with our model, quite successfully let's say, uh, it will work, and so i don't think there is any such key snag to some extent. she's a little me makes adjustments for, say, how capital mobility is implemented, that is, in our countries where, well, the share of the state is quite high. yes, especially in large-scale

industrial production, that is, relatively speaking, if the usual small-medium investors there are not guided by the basic models of risk-profitability-risk, there are some external factors for it, then certainly in our case, well, the state can influence let's say this. the total risk in the economy is required here. just some specific form of such special investment agreements. stipulating. well, let's say these nuances are between states and between flagship corporations. that is, this is quite possible, and we are now seeing that within the framework of those processes that are now being activated by the specialization of the operation. well, these processes will be these. look, we are talking about relations with the state of the far arc. denmark is also distant because, in principle, relations are especially close, but they are very extremely difficult to develop. well, not every time the president will fly to venezuela or when he visited more cuba ecuador for example, yes, now we understand that the situation, for example, in the same

ecuador no well, it’s completely different yes, but uh, that’s how, in principle, to establish these relations with the strange so-called far arc so that they are stable, because even in spite of everything, venezuela seems to be close to us in terms of mentality and understanding. however, now it is being subjected to such ideological bombardments, because, well , there is a lot of oil and it has already been recognized by france , and guaido has been recognized by america already renounced his power. that is, well, everything seems to be fine with them there, yes. well, we need to maintain relations somehow. here we are on the ground. and how is zimba to fix zabi? larus well, here, of course, it is necessary, coming to a certain market from the point of view of the same economy. yes, to cling as tightly as possible, to consider certain moments? and, of course, take into account the mentality of this or that country, let's say uh people in the countries of the african continent. they are somewhat different

in economic terms in terms of management negotiations and so on. that is, they love communication live communication. yes, and the fact that alexander arrange marches on the african continent well, by the way, yes, this is one of those moments that should just bring them together, that is, these are people who treat us wonderfully, since they and we are in that or how we say that they treat us wonderfully, maybe they do n’t know us at all, no. okay, i'll give you an example of a country that is all. what applies and how to keep far-arc countries at a good distance. usa 200 military bases, and around all the countries in the world where the military base is located treats america well, if they have their own gumselmash. they would gladly buy it. well, what about the shortcomings with africa - this is not so. you will deduce what kind of rejection is going on, just in the background. here are those, uh, the example that you

just gave us. we see how actively the countries of africa, including russia, are responding in our direction. but look, we are all in such, iridescent vanilla colors, describing how they are waiting for us in africa. how can we work in asia, latin america, everything. it, understandably. we have just that sentence even the words mentality. in this story, there is little that, well, it means, because some kind of financial background is needed everywhere. well, that is, it means that they must be or have some benefit from na- well, viktorovich, here is the benefit from the sale of the same combines they have, okay, we already understood this, yes, because we sell our combines, we have different business, because we are expanding, roughly speaking, our geography in order, well, how to protect ourselves, but what difference does it make to them? well they bought the americans. you are talking mentality. yes, what kind of mentality is the money mentality, this comrade, who is drawn under me. and if you studied, let's say, as you used to study in moscow, you studied in minsk,

and then, even i came to vietnam , the president of the czech republic, elected yesterday, speaks russian, but hates russia, so viktor viktorovich knows nothing. this is what concerns? uh, we sell by harvester. we not only sell harvesters, but also come with a certain service, as far as zimbabwe is concerned, our representatives are constantly there. there is a service center there. we provide training for those who work on these combines and those who have to repair them, so we are already gaining a foothold in this market with a certain type of service and only in this part. maybe , but a certain movement is not a one -time delivery. really come seriously for a long time. i’ll repeat myself, maybe , yes, for the time being, our coasters are only measured in dozens, but we know that i’ll repeat it again in a year for two for three, they will not turn into hundreds. it must be hard work and again zimba

is a vivid example of this, and already last year we were visited by about five delegations from various regions. africa passed yes, yes, and there is already a certain interest, kind, seeing how we entered the republic of zimbabwe, how do we behave there? what is the situation there? what result? they are already ready , too, for where quite right. quite right. but you can give me an example of that, uh, that is, the country where we kind of went. here's how it is now yes, there are 2-3-10 cars and uh, for example, uh, something happened after that or let's say time passed, where we really are steel. if not a monopolist, then a fairly serious manufacturer. so i’ll bring you an example of technical specifications, azerbaijan has an assembly plant in ganja now open there. they also won a tender for the supply of equipment under agro-credit and the government of azerbaijan. that is, it was a kind of one-time condition. as a result, the enterprise was opened. here is gomselmash. in

what country of the world, for example, could there be nothing to boast of , it seems, well, i will give. what examples that we have been present in latin america since 2006, that is, we are present. how thus, we have created our own branch there in argentina, well, let's put it this way. the region is also quite promising, and yes, for the time being, well, no matter how the entire market is captured, but there are about 30% only of the actual production of equipment, so the difference is actually, therefore, far from being known to journalists. therefore, here is argentina - this is one, and then with argentina we are moving to brazil and peru. that is , certain developments are already underway in all these areas. yes, maybe they are still restrained somewhere, but we see unequivocally that there we are not going to leave. we represent our interests there. and now, uh, even the sanctions situation shows that we are right. if at first we counted only

on the supply of our equipment, now we are already developing developments in production operations, both in one direction and in the other. and this too. i think it’s worth a lot in this regard, that is, there should always be an alternative, there should be a replacement for this or that product, this or that region, because, well, there is an expression, nothing lasts forever under the moon, therefore naturally, it is necessary to develop enough of these markets, but such an example is the chinese market. unfortunately, yes, we went there at the beginning of the 2000s and worked quite closely. here the chinese market were. here it is and a special model of harvesters, we have not produced them on the cob before harvesting combines, but unfortunately, this is the uh pandemic period. he slightly reduced our activity, but a little almost brought to zero, because from berlin yes, but already, that is, let's say these barriers. e are removed as regards

of the covid pandemic, and i think we will be present in the chinese market in the near future for two years, again, quite well. here they talked about competitors alexandrovich, a question for you. who do you compete with in your field? well, who else can compete with us about african, these are all distant arc countries . for example, we have finnish paper here. very famous. you understand how profitable it is, in principle, to sell there. and the same paper, the same cardboard, we are talking about the fact that africa is less solvent than the same europeans and conditionally finns yes finnish paper. well , it’s probably more profitable to sell it to belarusians, who are guaranteed to pay for it with money, than e, where to take it far away, so not everyone is decided. this is who the whole world

is, too, and the same finns are present and the russian federation is our producers, and therefore the swedes also have to. and, well, absolutely all the manufacturers that are in the world with those. we compete there, but mostly or often we go there through our partners, the so-called traders, who world. actually, what's wrong with that? of course not. well, that's why we offer better conditions in terms of the same price and the same additional services in logistics or on some issues that allow us to be competitors and even with the same finns. well, the finns. the cost price is higher, therefore, we are there with them. well, they will talk. we are in the premium zimbab market, you are not premium. here south africa is still okay, but here, well, yes, that is, it turns out that it’s not enough to sell there, it’s just important to sell products. eh, her with some even uh, with some more goodies, because, well, uh, obviously, just some kind of tractor

or a pack of paper will not be enough. yes, vadim well, they say buns. i would probably even call it that. uh, such an emphasis on such an aggressive export strategy, a very important emphasis is honestly forgotten. maybe it looks quite systemic, but nevertheless, when we talk about export. credit is nothing like lending to the manufacturer of our products, like lending to the consumer of the product. i mean, it really does look like it. well they do it only the most advanced let's say companies in the world and naturally. this is an extremely attractive instrument for buying. they can pay off the loan. and this is a very important accent in order to generally say, well, on the one hand, to have some kind of pillow. uh, with some possible non-payments there, something else. and in general , in general, to combine a wide variety of opportunities, that is, financial, insurance , marketing, production, etc., it is necessary to create financial and industrial groups, relatively speaking, including banks, by the way, and

the state should not walk on their own. they should act as one link in an integrated, let's say, export strategy. e, in which the interaction of enterprises in banks. that is, it will be. well, let's say, it's extremely crowded in this case as well. that's when you reach such, let's say, configurations, that is, such a holistic interaction as financial, because you can afford more precise planning. and if you have more planning, as they say clearly, you can say it is possible, and the risks are not payments, yet provide something more. success is the most important thing. in addition, you can more effectively maneuver capital by transferring it to let's say divisions, in fact, all these instruments separately. there are institutions, we just need to unite them, and let's put it right. so. well, for example, yes, well, food, for example, you can’t sell such schemes. well

, because, well, i understand that vladimir viktorovich well, how much sausage is there, then bring it. well, it’s good even for a long time and a lot, or , as they wrote in our chat, like ice cream eats up in china how is it you refrigerated trucks? well , of course, well, here it is, but still, well, this is the understanding. that is, how we, for example, deal with the same food with the same food. yes, that is, if in technology we have, well , for example, two such big pluses as, uh, warranty coverage, yes or service and a short delivery time with food. what we guarantee is because, firstly , the delivery time and the shelf life of products are also quite long if we are talking about dry dairy products. this is the shelf life of them 2 of the year. that is, they are able to supply them for further processing on the continent and the production of dairy products for some purposes. well restored, that is, this is such a mechanism and is acceptable, including, well, let's have an assortment supplied to africa , for example, role-playing products. first, second, third place. what's this? well, of course, this is not the

wide range presented in our stores, these are dry products that can be processed and produced in the future. uh, some dairy product is already in that country, and the manufacturer 's performance and the shop. we also supply the same packaged. uh, dry uh dry whole milk, which is homemade frozen bread frozen. uh, the same uh vacuum-packed meat products. that is, it is also supplied and there are deliveries. uh, direct delivery performance or the world's third largest manufacturing. now we are in the top five exporters of dairy products in the course of the world, so we are already talking a lot about irina vasilievna, in the development of the topic with which we actually started, but about the fact that ah, solvency, insolvency, what will we calculate, that is, but it turns out that now we are agreeing on some kind of barter , no, why? isn't it necessarily a barter? maybe

, i'll tell you, there can be quite complex schemes. if we agree to buy almaz, we can sell them to third countries of the company. for example, you probably heard about the tenth package of sanctions that they are trying to impose, and there, uh, it means that belgian companies are being pressured to abandon russian diamonds, so somehow. yes, we can deliver through intermediaries. uh, so, uh, back to belgium. it's on one side on the other side. in this situation, while the world is changing and small companies will be forced to leave in dubai for india, we can also do it if we mine ourselves or help them mine. we can supply this, and alma yes, you touched on the topic here, we are here about zimbabu , about zimbabu, the president was in the united arab emirates and this country is radically different from zimbabwe, because if we go there if we can invest, then they

invest in us from dubai. well, yes, of course, they have a lot of money, but on the other hand, we can take you there , you know, what they export from russia practically, we can duplicate it. they need wood very much, moreover, they need yes, they need natural furniture exports to the united arab emirates by 2.5 times this year compared to the previous year. which products are not yet furniture, although furniture also passes at the same rate. they really need such exclusive, expensive furniture. we are her we produce, but they are absolutely. well, i understand that products with added 117 are supplied to such countries, probably more profitable than just paper, then here again, paper and cardboard, after all, soy , these are the main ones. used and in main demand in the arab supermega quality requirements, not make we do enough. you asked us as if we had bad paper. quite right. we have the best

quality, so we sell it to all markets, we do not have a division into markets into one market separate paper, modernization and opening of those industries that were in your profile, and it justified itself, and we have become. well, one of the largest exporters, that is, more than 70% of all let out products. both woodworking and pulp and paper. we export. well, look, almost a little milk, we got into the top five. but if the wood is papers, what are we, five out of six ten? unfortunately, yes, while we are not yet such a large paper, it is clear. well, what volume does the united arab emirates need to buy fuel oil from russia. i don't know why, but they buy enough oil. what is there to do? they have their own oil. i don’t know, they buy fuel oil, i emphasize again. i recently just came from the united arab emirates, they sell us. here is a tourist vacation and thank god kirill by the way, thank god a very good

tourist vacation. i can compare, maybe i'm doing advertising, so in one of the united arab emirates there is a beach, which well, i was in los angeles and saw the beach. in general, city is much better in terms of sand quality. although it is also such a bold diversification of options for where you can know some kind of beach there. us interesting just access to the ocean. so they don’t have ports, we have them closed from uh, uh to sambek. in my opinion, them. eh, so to speak, pushes carefully. okay, we just have to add. well, really, but our choice here to rely on several pillars at once, but has already justified itself. everyone felt the benefits and, probably, it is worth walking. eh, in this direction boldly, but the only moment. yes, the head of state, so to speak, paves the way, but everyone

else should not slow down and follow his example. well, i propose to refuse stereotypes, because sometimes it seems that africa is far away and people. it's far from the most civilized. however, it turns out that it is very profitable and as they say under us there is a marriage.

their technologies are our comfort and safety today for any specialist who works, regardless of the sector in which he must have the skills of energy-efficient technologies that save energy every time he comes to work. this is my chess game, because i need to plan and organize the work. so all this equipment worked. they are they tell complex things in simple terms, but here there is an imitation of the sun's rays and the light that imitates the sun heats the panel, uh, converts the energy of the sun into the energy of heating water for the house. now it is at -20 mark. this is the lowest point of our career. compared to the level of the baltic sea, then