[000:00:00;00] the liner deviated from the course by more than 300 km and unexpectedly turned out to be over the kamchatka peninsula, flying just north of the city itself, soviet fighters were raised in alarm, which escorted the board to the land borders of the ussr. however, soon the plane would again violate the soviet air border over sakhalin deviation. now it reached 500 km, which was interpreted by the ussr military as the gravest crime of the current situation , the commander of the fortieth fighter division in the far east of anatolia karnakov gave order to destroy the boeing in 1998-002. he served as commander-in-chief of the russian air force on several occasions, talking about the decision he made then in his life as a karnuk. he always emphasized that he was based on the norms of international and soviet law, considering the flight of the korean aircraft as provocations and the americans, and again there are too many nuances

. from the west, of course, all judgment, but the tragedy occurred at the hour of the cold war intelligence island, while provocations in the region were recorded the day before in new realities the us military significantly increased intelligence, and from the position of the ussr espionage illegal activities in the far east , mutual provocations took place in the sea of ​​​​okhotsk, the secret strategic objects of kamchatka and sakhalin were of particular interest to the united states . the incident of the fourth of april of the same year, when six american attack aircraft, pinned to the limit. for several tens of kilometers. they invaded the borders of the ussr and carried out conditional bombing on the territory of the green island in the area of ​​​​the small ridge of the kuril islands, the ministry of defense perceived this case, like a painful flick on the nose, arranging a scolding for the commander of the local air defense, which did not stop the impudent aliens a week later. so with a pointer in hand for our own and foreign journalists. the chief of the general staff will prove that the korean boyng. in

fact, he was not a citizen. with whom the plane, and the scout has irrefutably proven that the invasion of the plane of the south korean airline. into soviet airspace was a deliberate, carefully planned reconnaissance operation. it was controlled from the extreme centers to the territory of the usa and japan, said marshal the civil aircraft for it was deliberately chosen without taking into account, and possibly counting on human casualties, hence all the grave consequences of this emergency incident. as they call it in the western press, but the western world was already murmuring with displeasure and the tragedy was considered an excellent occasion in order to show the military power of nato dangerously close to the soviet borders . in the event of an escalation of the conflict, leading to nuclear war. this was followed by the deployment of pershingle ballistic missiles in europe in the most

epic case of aerial provocation. by right, we can consider the landing of a civilian aircraft on red square on may 28, 87 , an eighteen-year-old german freely crossed the border of the ussr and landed his small plane. on vasilyevsky spusk, he fell into the zone of responsibility of the soviet entry. they took him for his own, as at that time there were training flights of one of the zagas in the sky at the same time there were 12 cars in the other once. he was even confused with a flock of birds. if i had asked anyone before the flight if i had even one chance, everyone would have answered no, the russians will shoot you down immediately. matthias rus appeared before the court in september 1987. he was accused of illegally crossing the air borders of the ussr , violating international flight rules and malicious hooliganism, coupled with exceptional cynicism and insolence, the provocation entailed. uh, serious personnel purges

in the armed forces and was removed by the minister of defense and the commander of air defense systems are strange. that there are 34 more officers behind him, all mmm. all. uh, involved or something like that, and, uh, some western experts. they tried to compare this sweep somewhere with the sweep of stalin's military personnel in the thirty-seventh year, of course, air provocations did not escape, and our country would still have such neighbors in 2012, the airspace of belarus was violated by a private swedish light-engine aircraft, subsequently, the pilots scattered teddy bears. the provocation was being prepared for a year in belarus there were two more swedes. one photographed flying bears

land, the second was on duty in case the aircraft only last year was recorded by the belarusian border guards 463 flights of drones. drones are forcibly landed along our borders almost every week on the hospitable belarusian land. and such reports, unfortunately, are far from uncommon, and fresh finnish border guards intercepted a ukrainian drone. the incident occurred on february 8 near the state border in the stolin region of the belarusian border. found a drone heading from the ukrainian from the side to the rear of the belarusian territory, the quadrocopter was equipped with a built-in video camera, the contents of the memory card confirm that the drone was launched from the territory of ukraine and was used to conduct reconnaissance and filming technical means of border protection on the territory of the republic of belarus last year. similar cases were recorded on december 1, second and sixteenth november . and drones are also evidence that

the collective west would like to draw the republic of belarus into e. to provoke some kind of large-scale war actions on uh, some kind of tough response, which would allow, uh, again , to criticize the leadership of uh, the entire republic of wu in the information space. naturally, to cause a negative backlash , a purposeful methodically probing the locations of the belarusian air defense in february 22, the latvian tan-2 aircraft violated the airspace, the ship flew to a depth of 300 m. having flown around the urban checkpoint. then she returned to latvia, before that the border was violated by ukrainian

pilots, a ukrainian military helicopter mi-8 on at a height of about 100 m. he crossed the state border and flew to a depth of 1 km on the territory of belarus. as we can see, the air has been and will remain a zone of increased turbulence and the more threats and aggression on the world stage , the more belarusian border. they will continue to probe for vulnerability to air adventures. be ready day and night

. history has proven this dozens of times happily. belarusian winter all its little things and all the details. some are so beautiful they are breathtaking. some are awkward but together they are one. together, not harmony looking at them you feel aesthetic pleasure. do you feel that

belarus is closer? nadezhda good evening good evening i’ll be honest, i don’t know what to expect from our conversation and for sure it will be difficult for both of us , including me, but since you expressed a desire for this interview, i want to try to understand you, maybe , you will understand me, you know, here is the first question. let's go straight. yes, that's why you wanted to come to this studio? i think we must all it will be an interesting conversation. this is the first. why did i come? i think my experience as well

will be interesting. ah, mine made. there is an expression, and learn from the mistakes of others. i think that, well, as usual, we did not observe this, unfortunately, we ourselves do not care. well , suddenly it will come in handy for someone, perhaps someone will recognize himself in me and also analyze his actions, so i think that this interview will be. well, no wonder it will be interesting. well, look, i've seen your other interviews and i remember one in particular. you couldn't in blitz decide. eh, which of us is worse than you or unt. eh, if the brand, right? so, when i looked, i immediately had a question why , after all, i knew that you would ask this question , the delayed choice took place no offense. i just didn't know you either, so it's hard for me to make a choice. and when you do not know what,

respectively. well, well, uh, but you were wearing a t-shirt then, belarusian darmate. yes, i did not expect, of course, today to see you merch first. uh, well, here are the state symbols. e, there is e. i enjoy seeing her. tell me straight to you at least a little managed to somehow change their attitude towards state symbols. that is, all the time they once performed under it. well, let's not open it. eh, i'm telling you this was a bit of an alternative. but after all, another reason for this interview is that i will dispel this stereotype of the myth that i had some kind of negative attitude towards state symbols. and i have absolutely positive. i performed under our green flag for many, many years. it's all ninety-six- fifth, so i don't understand why, a formed this is the opinion such that i have some kind of negative. i honestly saw that they directly said that more topics for you. and i'm

not dozens is not very difficult to understand why such a stereotype has developed? yes, never negative about the fact that i never said that the red-green ones are worse there, uh , bchw. never spoke. yes , our history was just like that, that it was like this, and this stage is like that, all people chose this in a referendum. e, accordingly, i found all this, therefore, well, what other disputes can there be? and as regards praised there. well, again, some kind of formed stereotype, or there the opportunity was formed, despite the victories, it was under these colors of such a concept. i didn't include this expression. you know, here, well, first of all, i'm kind of history. yes, as it were close to me, well, there is a topic there, ours is there, like the development of our country. therefore, perhaps i am like that, but to these families, well, this kind of relationship is simply perceived calmly. calmly, these are our simple strengths. well, i, too, once was, sort of in a row. yes, and also went under the e-flag. but it was a certain historical period

when this symbolism was present. eh, just like everything. well, you see, everything changed, probably, 2020 first of all changed in consciousness and well now, unfortunately, yes , probably, most likely, they just started counting their flags to separate people, this is the worst thing that happened. that is, as if by themselves flags. they don't beat or kill anyone. why, when people use them, er, in malicious intent. eh, such an opinion will be formed accordingly. well, here i will fully support me with the truth. to me nice to see you in this sports uniform. yes, i remember a psychological thriller. uh, the girl with the dragon tattoo. you also have a dragon. yes, there is a small one, right? well, life now is like a psychological drama with a criminal tinge. i'm actually humanly interested, well, and it's important, that was your decision. after all, you were absolutely not a political person, yes

, far from politics. why did you plunge into all this in the twentieth year yourself, or did someone bring you there, if you are talking about the march? yeah uh, well, totally date marshak of course, i guess it was my choice. yes , after all this informational pressure there, when you don’t call someone, you don’t write what you saw there, and you heard, as it were, therefore, yes, i’m on the sixteenth. i went to mars there really was my decision. these were my emotions. i empathize very much with a person who empathizes with such things, and therefore there , and there, as far as there is further there, there is further there these mashas, ​​and here, such an e, factor, levchenko called me, for example, she says, the guys are going to athletes are going to film the march together. will you go won't you go? well, here you already know

, this one already works there, and colleagues are friends. moreover, i can not see each other. it's been there for 8-10 years. well, of course, how would i go further there for the company there with the guys to talk there like. and therefore, as it were, i don’t know, as it were, let me, rather here, probably, there, partly mine, partly there, i succumbed to some kind of influence there, and so on. it's true. well , there is hope that they tried to consciously bring us all to these emotions. well, it's obvious. naturally yes. well, that is, you now understand, you understand when you are in the thick of these events, when you have no other alternative points of view. and now it's accumulating accumulating accumulating you make an emotional decision not rational, but emotional uh, all these actions are just me, uh, you have purely emotions of guidance. yes, of course, with time, well , everything passed there, they poured passion, they fell there,

you know? well, damn it, well, yes, i did, well , as it were, it was clear that it was against the law to have unauthorized ones. well apologize. yes you same were you themselves on lawyers like simply. well, it didn't work out. yes, you are a truly strong woman. well, let's get straight, yes, well, even the very fact that you are here today speaks about this and i'm not only talking about the core. yes, i'm not only talking about the core, because i admit my mistakes. this is generally the lot of strong people, and the affairs of other strong people have to forgive. now they are talking a lot about this , send the president a lot of controversy, yes around this topic, but the president has a clear position . the return of our people to their homeland, who was wrong? who didn't commit a crime and we can say that they should not be left on the sidelines. these are literally his words. moreover, he has already signed a decree corresponding to the commission that will work on the return of these people. yes, well

, here here, help me how to understand in your opinion in people. who speaks sincerely, and who simply pretends to return to hide under the plinth and will wait, as they say, for brighter times. here is the question. let's break it down, probably from the canadian answers, that is, at the beginning, but they said about a strong woman, yes, i’m sort of, well, that’s my kind of position , my life, my character, brought up sports there since childhood, sort of, yes. i fully admitted my mistake fully admitted that i, uh, broke the law. but i do not deny my guilt, i did not deny it, and they will deny it. this is about the first part of our first part, the second part, that alexander grigorievich made such a shakhi and such, such, such, proposed such an initiative. and i'm the only one with two hands for it, i fully support it. a and. a. if this, if this will allow people, in fact already

weary steel against the confrontation of this. return home to hug family. uh, especially since the holidays are ahead of us. easter is happy to go to the cemetery to visit his relatives. this is a very good correct competent step here. as far as the third part of your question, i fully support the fact that how to understand how to understand, yes, but i think that we still need to be positive, well, to people, that is, do not immediately look for some kind of enemies there, that is. well, i think it's all the same. people will go who really want to come back, at least, well, who didn't do anything. a bad man's head cap burns on him, who has committed some crime, he will not go. he will be afraid of everything. and about just trusting trusting trusting people, because some opinion has really changed in this. they realized it. here's to sit in front of you live examples. yes, i calmly communicate with you, there i did exactly the same act as many of them, right? well

, now you are already at home, and now i am already at home, but look at hope, in fact. you are an example, you are an outstanding athlete and athletes. yes? let's talk directly and people who shine on the screen creatively celebrities are the so-called leading ones who work on television. this is always an example for many. this is a role model to a certain extent. opinion leader, yes, and that's why you were. well, let's speak directly to you, it was the person's bet that was known throughout the country. but how do you imagine, well, i will say in a dry wording, this is active repentance, how it should look. to be believed is not always an interview very difficult, for example, how to say yes to everyone, but look, but yes, i'm just here i'm a living example. i came to you. i openly communicate with you and explain. well, of course they won't do well. well, they made it a commission. yes, probably they are possible, i don't know, yes, how it will work. yes? perhaps there will be some points there explaining. why did the person act like this and so

on. yes? yes, even i think it’s even banal that uh fact that a person has already returned here, he’s already like, well, he turned to the commission. that is, he already realized that that is he turned. yes, he already admitted that he did something. and let's speculate, as if you and i are not even in the studio. now , if i were at your house, yes, we would sit down for a cup of tea and in fact. i wanted them to come to visit you. and maybe to talk there, but i think that i'm more used to it here , after all, it's more of my complexes. but look how i see it. can you support me or tell me that i'm wrong somewhere, here a person made a post, let's say, at that moment, yes, he made a post on his instagram page emotional he indicated that he against uh, violence, what do you have to go out? yes, and so on. and this post, in fact, served as a definition of his position, that is, a trigger for others, someone focused on him. after that, we'll put it right. and here it is, and

it's bigger. yes, he didn’t do anything illegal there, that is, he didn’t write nasty things, he didn’t call for violence there, or he didn’t leak data into the black book of the chkkb, belarus that’s what he should do in your opinion, will the same post be enough, well, the same post. here, how do you see it? in the same way, on the same platform, he spoke out said yes guys, i was wrong. and perhaps, yes, well, as it were, i'm not me, for example, i don't want to force someone to force. it must be a conscious choice. that is, if a person is ready to do it, then let him do it. that is, well, then it will be clear, honest and and. well, it's open. that is, well, you see , the most important thing is that it be really sincere, because i know such people and very many who really, and at that moment they were ready to tear me apart. true , they believed that i was personally responsible for the fact that they saw, and then it turned out that after a week they had enough there for some two months . well, look, we have already

touched on this topic, yes, emotions. i would like to continue it a little. if you allow it personally , at that moment you knew that we, for example, yes, journalists of the state administration, officials, deputies, state employees, especially those who later worked in precinct commissions. long before the elections, they began to write long before. well, in personal channels to call phones to send messages with appeals. yes, with insult i still have some of them , you know, the most interesting thing is that i later saw how the avatars changed depending on the situation, and then really a lot of security officials suffered. and it's real, we also went to the hospital and also saw broken arms and downed people, yes, cars and the spine. it’s just that they didn’t show it on camera on purpose and then a lot of interesting facts disappeared. it's under investigation now. this is a criminal case about the fact that there were staged videos, they really were. i

saw them myself, so i can judge this apartment were in police uniforms. yes, there were paddy wagons, well, the vans were made for tv, it was all the same, i emphasize the photographs that were used. not in belarus here i meet with labor collectives. i often show or tell about it, because there were photographs, for example, from america, uh, for example, american prostitutes there are women, homeless women, salta was beaten and so on. why was it the fourteenth year, the seventeenth different, we were pumped up like this, and here i have why this is about this, because it’s me personally affected. that's a lot of people led a lot to this. i understand that you did not watch us. well, even when you made a choice between beth and this, that's why i'm talking , maybe so much about it, but at that moment in that moment you at least understood that the picture that you drew, that this is a white coat, it's not quite white, well, it's understandable honestly. that's honest, i was sitting already started it

later. that is, when they have already gone. uh , i saw how the security forces in pinsk were stoned. well, maybe it appeared already in a half month. that is, at that moment, these videos did not exist. yes, as far as how they poured all this on you there lily yes, i understand you perfectly, i went through hell. i went through my own life too. i perfectly understand what it is. well, 12%. yes , plus. uh, and even in the twentieth year, they called me, so some people too, therefore , i understand you, i absolutely do not support it infuriates me, especially when something goes to children and i don’t categorically understand at all. well, uh, it must still be attributed to educated people, a normal person, adequately educated. uh, no matter what points of view we have, we won’t water each other, uh, some substance, yes, we

can talk constructively there , argue there, but we won’t pour each other. here, respectively. i will agree. it seems to me that this is, in principle, a person, a purely human human nature, but look after all one thing, succumbing to emotions to go to rallies. yes, but let's ask an awkward question. yes, that's another thing, what to enter or give consent to enter the coordinating advice yes in the free association of athletes, for example, yes. well, nadezhda. honestly, i looked at everything that concerns you over the past 10 years there. you have never been a party person. why and how you ended up, that's where in the twentieth year, in turn , maxim called me a sign. we knew him a little. that is, he ran in the manezh, and there i pushed the ball to mine. hello. hello. hello. hello, i knew that

i was engaged in a triad. yeah, well, the bell don't know who's calling, but raises his hand. he says this is the maximum sign. well, what the heck, he says it's hey, we have an initiative here. and alexander grigorievich well, i heard he said he wanted to be talking to people. well, we are ready to talk there with these, that is, the people. yes, we want to make, uh, such an uh, to bring together people, and uh , a lawyer from different areas of sports, and there, well, as you understand, the maximum wide is like that and says to offer, uh, such a dialogue, a platform for a round table. well, there, on all of these, on all topics at that moment, which were. because i have such my position, i am for any dialogue for any negotiations. this is the beam of any confrontations on the streets there than to beat faces, there and so on , so i gave my consent, that is, well, as if there were no uh underlying reasons, there was no other there, as it were, yes, that is, then it was organizational

meeting. this is what the presidium chose, and the regulations were established further. hmm and then we already went to the beginning, some members of the president were detained, and the rest left belarus and we ended up in such a dead end, as they say, how to do anything, that is, the president must deal with this dialect. there is body organization. yes. and we, that is, it turns out, everything else without approximately, yes, and according to the regulations. and all people should want to live in belarus that is, some of our people left there, right? and in fact, that's all she is. that is, that initiative ended there, yes, and then there were some attempts to do something, and to change , restructure some of these statements there, well, they wrote useless cases. yes, there, for example, i offered. well times we have already gathered experts in their fields. let's do something like, ah expert advice. yes, let's say something like a public

initiative that a can help the state, let's say some law was passed by lawyers, it was analyzed and prompted to be. what where? what are the errors, that is, help. yes, well, my offers of support didn’t find, uh, and gradually, you know , there was a feeling that, well, people abroad are moving away, they already have people in belarus, uh, the distance is starting to grow understanding. yes, in the end. i just left the chat. and what was your proposal, with which i do not agree, and about the fact let's make an expert advice, that is , let's say, that is, from among those who remained from those who are people. yes, there, well, it was not provided for by the regulations and were looking for. what other options are possible, let's say that, in order to waste already, well, people to gather, really competently with professionals in the fields. that's why we can't work for the good? well, what other suggestions were there? well, in general , the proposal was at least like. do you think that

there were no more such proposals, in fact, they only thought there, how is it to revive there what how to change there, so that, for example, a decision could be made abroad, but this contradicted this raglan , then, and, as it were, basically everyone was against it, hmm so, when this part left, which left, yes, they offered you to leave or leave was, well, there was no offer, there was an opportunity, but my position is that i stay from belarus. i want to live here. i want. well work, here i want there as much as possible that i can benefit here. well, here it is free the association of athletes, in general, what is it and how free it was, and free association is an initiative around a letter that came to power in the twentieth year. that is, there is a question there , some that you signed up with, yes, that is, these are just people who signed up for this , not an organization. this is not to be confused from the fund

there, yes, many are confused. it's true. this is our whole problem. problem a occurred because , that is, we really ordered at the beginning. uh, in our social networks only the agenda valery does not treat sportsmen there to meet tournament players. there's some kind of co-branding there, that is, it was interesting for people to see the tops of our belarusian athletes. yes, children were photographed and transferred to and then, and began to appear in social networks reposts from the fund with calls for sanctions there, i say that guys, well, wrong well , you understand where it all comes to. it will come. it doesn't matter what we recognize as an extremist before the ban. let's still separate, that is, well, judging by the first time there, yes, guys said ok. we deleted everything, removed everything there, yes, we continued to communicate further. ah, well, over time, everything went there again, like

politics interfered there. all. well, at the end , get down, let's go there, all these again, uh , ban-santia in the country and so on. i say, well , everything is already, that is, so you say, you can be thankful. yes, they didn’t hear the truth, these are right. and in the end, that's how it happened. well, the neighbors recognized it as extremist and, as it were, the initiative sank, because it didn’t go bad there at all, therefore, yes, the sports marketer just tells me, that is, this is an initiative, they were interested and it was possible to develop there for people. this is interesting not for athletes at all. especially for me, in general, such a feeling, however, that's when you start talking about sports, but this is it. what is important? yes, that's what you say, right here from the heart. so, nadezhda, you know, i was struck by one moment, which i would like to hear from you about this. you sold, in my opinion, in march of the twenty-first yes, your gold medal. yes of the european championship and the money was transferred to the fund sports solidarity i will tell the situation.

yes, there was money for the social solidarity fund. he just led the action. yes, and this money . send, uh, guys, to our colleagues from athletics for training camps. that is, well, the contract ended there and they didn’t renew it, i decided to support them, that is, this money went to training in the kin. people spent together in kenya a. that is, i and my post was written that i what this money is for. i want to help colleagues and so on to achieve the same results there, what is this business? i am you you know, it wasn't so much politics. how much just like sports athletes solidarity was e version in the language already. the question is true, but there were so many of these fees. well, funds. yes, in theory, they were supposed to support , it was possible to bring all those who left along the equator like this, so that they ran a marathon with this money, funds, where do they go? i, as it were, i just wanted to help specific people, so i helped specific people, you know, as an indicator for me. i'm not an athlete, but

for me it was indicative that gerasimania now, when she announced her withdrawal from this fund of sports solidarity yes, because there, according to her , it became obvious corruption and it was not clear where the money had gone and no one could say. why can't you just show it. uh, expense items. okay, that's not my area. i'll ask better as a broadcaster. yes, i had questions about the videos that were posted with you by the yes coordinating council. so, when you spoke, as if under this signboard , the coordinating council. here, write abbreviate with journalists, this is such a principle that they came up with it on purpose, yes, in order to make speech human and more understandable to the viewer. well, you have there, when you speak, here is a solid periodically expand your horizons yes, worthy people, a prosperous country. now you are talking to me like a normal person. yes, and

there you talked like an official, but you are not an official. where are these stamps from? that's why i didn't write it. well, of course, i won’t ask who wrote it, i don’t know if it was a prompter. yes, probably, most likely, each recorded separately. then this i just don’t remember, it’s really there, most likely, there was just a montage from all the cuts , therefore, well, yes, there was a cut. well, okay. okay, look here. hope you are young. well, let's go back again. you were going to go to law school. then we would have been with you not only fellow countrymen, but also colleagues in education, but in the end we didn’t have time to submit documents, right? and they entered the historical. well, look from the point of view of the law, you admit, yes, that you attended unauthorized mass events. well the authorities repeatedly warned about this, yes , the people who went out. well, look,

at the same time in the legal aspects of doping. i remember your words. yes, if a prohibited substance enters the body of athletes, then the athlete is to blame, regardless of the method. that is, you never admitted to using doping knowingly, but you admitted and did not refuse to bear responsibility, as i understand it. just like an athlete. now you can draw these parallels, between one external second is very simple in fact deeds, but laws. these are the same rules as in sports, yes, and in the rules, let's say, spoiled is indicated, let's say a substance got into it. it doesn't matter anymore. there she helped uh, or there accident yes also, well, how would you be responsible for well for the hit. yes , the law is not needed here, it is also not important that i succumbed to her emotions. there on someone we influence and so on. i went out, that is, before that i had to turn on my sober there and think

that after all i was breaking the law. so yes, i broke the law. yes i am this here i am completely the confessed admitted his guilt and, as it were, i do not deny anything. and then let's, maybe about historical education. yes, a few times we have already remembered, here is hope. you never lived , a thought never flashed. yes, in the twentieth, when what with these rallies. which you called a carnival is something wrong, which is not at all like politics. this is not carnival , this is not such a bright action. you know there is a good german expression. you politicians will become mts igizakh. yes, politics is a dirty business. eh, that's how it stays and today and this moment. now you are a historian. you understand perfectly well that this is so bright - this is a picture, and behind this there is a slightly different thing, when this came, and a little later, of course, at first to understand when a new one is unusual. it always attracts, that is, the text. for the sake of extradi- maybe you've never seen this before. yes, that is

, people have become there, well, beautiful people have stood in a chain with flowers. yes, of course, it attracts attention. yes, it seems like, well, something is not something unusual. yes, but on the other hand, of course, you will analyze a little bit. you understand that after all, politics is a more serious matter. and it's not some one, uh, who crowned the apparatus and other things that are still here, uh, the fate of the state is being decided. there election is the president, therefore. yes, but let me ask you directly. here you read the training manual, sharpe is not there. no. well, really, in vain here will be an opportunity. read, please, i wrote 50 years ago. yes, and you will learn a lot of interesting things for yourself, but in your opinion. so i'll say, maybe because i'm constantly fighting in this. yes, i often ask you have the right not to know the answer to this question . but when i ask people to meet, believe me, the pictures are almost always the same, which i will say later. yes, what kind of color revolution, in your opinion, became the prototype and complete prototype of what

happened in belarus in the twentieth. they directly put them in such ones, because in general i’m not associated with revolution in revolutions. laziness well, yes, therefore, yes, it’s really not difficult for me to bring some parallels that i didn’t follow there, i don’t know if it was a revolution at all. was it protest, or there was some kind of disorder, so i really won’t answer this question for you here. listen to your responsibility pleasure. well, let's do it, i'm probably not going to tell you a lecture about it in full. count. well, really, i really want you to read it and see for yourself. well first of all, look at me in the back of the ball you will see your actions. there are painted, the second. here in the nineteenth year, when there were riots in hong kong , you know there, so i just for myself, when i would read about it and i just have a deja vu feeling. uh, that's pursued at every turn, because the coordination of people's actions through instant messengers. there it was applied to the full extent. yes, that is, people just walked down the street

, they were told on the phone, you go right, you go left. here is a dead end, here is a state building and it needs to be poured with paint there or there and so on blinding. uh, security officials with pointers. uh, there were a lot of people in white clothes with white flowers. well, it was true in the cube, but there it was in the complex everything, and doctors against violence are without fail disabled people in wheelchairs, as participants in a protest of a separate category, university students as a separate target group, which influences and you know, and this is an insult to state symbols without fail and an attempt to storm a state institution, the publication there is all was and so, when you look at it in the complex. you understand perfectly well what they say there in yugoslavia, it was the same in georgia yes, there were elements of dressing, but so that like this in a complex exactly a year before our events. please read, of course. it's just, well, i advise a lot of people that

then understanding comes. it’s real that they led you by the nose, and even from above they laughed at you like that. well, okay, the athlete has hope in the shot put at the olympics. six attempts. yes, i don't know. how many attempts were there in belarus next revolutions. yes, but another attempt to break the core of independent belarus failed. well let's talk straight. and why in your opinion? now you can already look at it soberly, what lacked the explosive power of coordination, maybe what money? i'll probably judge for myself. yes, probably not enough, i don’t know anything, i’ll say that enough was enough, probably awareness to people, and who gradually came that well, this is still some kind of something abnormal that manipulates us, because we have, uh, pushing on the security forces. yes, there , like, they create these all these here, but i think that thanks. it is to the prudence of people that people

nevertheless understood that this is wrong, that this should not be so. yes? that's probably all and choked. as far as i understand you are not understood it immediately. ah, of course not. there, when at the beginning, no i will say, i will say, i will say when i understand. yes, i'll tell you, it was some kind of another mars. yes, i even it was probably the second march with the athletes. yes, when we are in squares and it is not clear where i am talking, we are going somewhere social, yes, that is, everyone was watching there, someone will write somewhere there oil is yes. well, in short, we'll find it with the guys. i say enough. well, damn it, why go there at all? where we are going we came, but to mi-rather there they became there opposite roads are blocked. i say and why would it come? that is, well, in fact, we were mixed after this. yes, i already had an understanding for me, and i already stopped attending all the events there, that, well, it's just useless, well, it just leads you. and then, when other meetings began, these already, and detention. well, how much you can

really endure there, and not the functioning of the event, it is clear that the security forces are working there. well, they showed up there, uh, they immediately grabbed them there, they detained them there, that is, there, well, that is, it is clear that it has already gone just like that people. well , well, you are a girl with a character. well, really, i know it. i saw it. and even when you were involved in these doping scandals. yes well, really your character was visible. well , rather than you, well, some kid begins to lead with such people. well, the truth , which are known in the world in the world is not something you know, here, probably they always want to say that your choice is your decision. well , sometimes you see it happens. this is where you get into it. well, then only you reach. well what is it, what, that you are not writing your decision, you know what, so that you get used to listening to the coaching staff, most likely,

the athletes of your colleagues still experienced. you know, it’s not there at all, there’s more, probably , in this, you know, i just always have it too, because i also have friends and colleagues who have achieved something in life. and yes, i really don't. well, how can a person beat out so much that he listened. here are those drug addicts. excuse me, but those people who urged you on, where are they now? they all left, in my opinion, all of them everyone left who went with us together. and you communicate with someone now in general, well , until recently you communicated, periodically communicated. well, well, they already parted a little there, that is, people live their lives, and then again quite rarely. look here. i think that only athletes know, yes, some titanic work to be with number one in the world. yes, sobolenko's latest event. this year she won her first

grand slam title and the truth is. here is the whole country i myself saw. and well, the people were really sick, but she received not only congratulations, but something of her slop from our former white colleagues, yes, yours and ours. that's what. well, that's real, well, how would you congratulate the opportunity. i want now i directly congratulate. uh. she deserved to win very well played. and uh, indeed it is a title, well deserved and got it. but with regard to this, watering is not good. yes, i went through this too and i understand it perfectly. well, as for my colleagues, uh, who do it? yes. hmm, here already. as a baby , they spoke to you before. it also depends on upbringing of a person. if he is rotten inside

, then he will do this about arina , i, well, i can only give advice to learn to live with it, or use it to translate it into some kind of energy that will help you win further. oh well, and then, good luck in the future, so that we can win everything as much as possible. you understand that really, the hat is the guardian. yes, this is unpleasant. and even more so when you clearly understand that you did not deserve it. here you have this situation happens, and you went through it, and why people who understand? it is they who are so afraid to speak out in defense of those who are. well, even just to say your opinion, guys. well, it's wrong, even if you and i are the same supporters, even if we are on the same side do not, because this is not a person, not human. i think that if a person has already done such a thing, then it is unlikely , because you will prove it, that is, if he has already fallen on such a thing, yes, in my opinion, this is the same as talking to a wall. well, look, now

here's thanks to the males. yes, there is no inscription on the cup belarus is true, this is not the worst thing of all, of course, the fact that there were no paralympians at the paralympics was the last one. that's scary, you'll never really understand. what did these people do wrong , it was some kind of thing. not that it's not a sporting act. she told you a human act was some kind of person. i understand this, of course, i went there, in my opinion, i didn’t even hide it. i say, damn it. well, of course, this is how to deal with the disabled, of course, the correct word honestly, i would like at least every athlete who believes that so bestial. let him then come to us and say, guys, this is bestial, or at least post it on facebook well, then who wins from these sanctions? that's real. well, i'm not even proportional at all. yes, in principle, sanctions, that sport, that in the economy are not in principle, it seems, probably, yes, in everything

in their actions. yes, no one defeats them, loses everything in reality, and you know , uh, such taxes were about sanctions? why, but it's on fire, they want to fine the driver. yes, the driver violated the rules of the road traffic fined the entire bus, which is a passenger. yes, that’s why, that is, why do we really have to suffer people, how would they really understand me too, and as for, let’s say about sports, but as we see, but with the support of the head of state, with the support of all of us there. federation ministries and so on are created the maximum conditions for people to uh it is, of course, difficult to compensate for the loss of international competitions. yes, it is necessary to at least minimize this loss, as he told the province about biathlon. yes, what it is clear that the level will drop? yes , it will fall anyway, because there is no well, at least it was a minimal fall, so that when our

guys have the opportunity to go to the petals for the game, they adapt as quickly as possible. e, we gained experience and showed the maximum result, and that’s for this, and we create various leagues there, they are looking for partners wherever possible. e, yes, and at the highest level this is all supported by alexandra grigorich. here, look. you want to become in any case, as i understand it, athletic functionary. yes, well, that is, you have this vein. yes, when you speak with pleasure, right? well, i understood this right away, as soon as you started talking about sports and about the organization, but in order for even this to take place. let's talk straight. yes, these competitions should be, yes, and secondly, we should participate in them, because this is the olympic principle. yes , sports outside the police and well, let's say, right even when, uh, in ancient times, the olympic

games began, wars ended. but it was right. so. maybe you have a lot i want you, but honestly your word is something, which means it is significant in the world community. let's be blunt, you've achieved the kind of success that most, overwhelming athletes have. never in life will achieve. maybe, at least just, well, you will be heard. you will be heard that, well, really guys , let's go for politics. do sports politics, we will do sports all together, and especially when it comes to paralympic athletes. for me, this monster is, by the way , bestial. i salute with both hands. ' cause when you're a man getting ready, 4 years old being already a little bit different, that is not, in character. they are not hurt, that's for sure. well, yes, nature has decreed this in the relations of the paralympic athletes, but they wanted to take part, and i am sure that if you are like you,

you will be heard a little too. wasp you speak of fort politics. unfortunately, sport has long been part of politics. unfortunately, even here the task is to move this policy a little away from sports, so that at least it doesn’t climb at least minimally, but we solve it for superheavy and it’s very difficult to do this. and for this should even be supported by the athletes of the whole world, and that is, it’s tough to say no. with this there must be some kind of consolidation, because at the state level it did not, that is, to do hope well, let's speak frankly. you have. surely every famous athlete in belarus in russia has yes. in any country there are a lot of the same athletes in other countries with whom they competed together and were friends. well let's talk straight drinking. yes, they sat down at the same table, and there they almost slept on neighboring couches. yes, it is normal. this is called communication, human communication, which brings people

very close, but these contacts, as they say behind the scenes, they have much more meanings and roles than. as you rightly say cabinet decisions. well , let's expressly agree, and they . indeed, it is precisely these contacts that solve the main issues. that is, not these, but public priests there. there are some forums that are not exactly solved. yes, everything is somewhere on the sidelines there at the level of personal acquaintances. only the elderly. yes, to make it happen. well, let's you didn’t really have this feeling that, well, to put it mildly, your well-known name was used at some point, but , of course, let’s say, when let’s say, the fund makes some kind of statement free athletes, well, to whom i, as it were , were also involved, yes, and i, as it were, to my question, like, they said there. here is a free reasonable question in fact. like, but

when i said something, yes, like, well, this is a general wording. well, they are also state type, and you are athletes, that is, well to take advantage, of course, they even literally used it, in my opinion, recently there was also some kind of statement. there are 50 people there, they said something there. there there against there the admission of our athletes, of course, to use. yes, it's easy for me when i looked at the list from the site. sorry, but you were the coolest there. in terms of achievement merit, but the truth is, it is clear what it is like? well, really moving motives. only e with publishing character. i am the most beloved person in belarus. i'm not talking about that. i'm talking about the fact that when such people are raised, as znamya yes this is very good. you can use. well, this is my opinion, i can judge about it. hope let me try to ask the last question. yes , finally extremely in this conversation. here's the truth. i unexpectedly enjoyed

talking to you. i was afraid. i told you this directly, at the very beginning. yes , even before we sat down on these chairs. i sincerely sincerely want your life to improve. indeed, i want you to become a good sports functionary. everything in the sports field has returned to its full circle and we met again. here in this studio for an interview, but they were already talking not about problems and revolutions, but some motivating things. well, really, so that you would tell me then that yes , i read the scarf. uh, and you know, well, yes, she was amazingly short-sighted, yes, in this regard. well, in your opinion, if suddenly this happens, what could this conversation be about, how do you see it? why all of a sudden i think it really will happen. and if i really have such an opportunity there, but to help our sport, yes, there it is better to make it better to do it qualitatively. yes we are with you

meet and discuss some he has achieved. what has changed? and what our guys have achieved. how did we survive? this is a difficult time. i think it will be anyway, you liked it today. yes, i think that if next time you will definitely like our communication too. i know for sure that the problems in sports are higher than the roof , the president speaks enough about this at every meeting. yes, it’s true, criticizing i propose i propose a case. so, i just have to really wish that you have such an opportunity, and you were able to direct your power to solve these problems in the right direction, because for all of us it is extremely important, well, i promise myself, i will do everything that i can, that everything is possible, that it depends on me. thanks for this size. thank you for

deciding to come here, right. when i was still such a teenager, one might say, i went to all kinds of sections. that is, there swimming away was not one of the sections in the kindergarten. i also have parents. i lived in pruzhany and my mother took me somewhere at the age of 3-4 years. i already went to the pool. my ex-husband is a military pilot, how would we lived in a military town in a kindergarten. we went to pruzhany at 6:50. we

had the first bus in the morning, then already in brest there are also a bunch of different sections . we have just opened. here is our pool and my grandfather is an amateur. dive try to flank because, well, i've never tried it before. well, firstly, i grew up, well, i was somehow a boy with us, if you don’t swim across the house, then it was considered that you couldn’t swim. there is a photo where egor is there for the first time. well, he came to us constantly, we brought him there to the house and eat him there, uh, dipped the water for the first time. here, i think so. this is this photo where he first dipped it is the beginning. as they say now, i want to take up diving and decided to take an initial training course here, but i wanted him to be

developed in a harmoniously developed physically. now i really look at him and what, i'm good and the figure is peat all this is due to the fact that water sports are swimming. and now, well, swimming in general, especially contributes to the development of all the muscles up to the eyes. there is literally no such sport in which there would be so much, well, we participated. well, we tried it here and there and there and everywhere. well, so that the boy could somehow show himself in any case. i say that we are in very good hands. thanks gennady alekseevich well, i have a funny story. one boxing competition during the fight me we opponent stepped on his foot. i was in my pants

, no one knew that i had a prosthesis on my leg, and my leg just flew off, that fight then even didn't lose it was a draw. everyone was excited about boxing. dad offered me to say, well , a man should be able to stand up for himself, and so he gave me to boxing. it has good ones, nevertheless. in what i say and begin to work with him, like everyone else has flown. he starts how the squat of the planet relates to his training, and i somehow didn’t see you that we can achieve high results with him. we tried with all our might. here

i am and mom and dad his all relatives. we tried not to make him feel some kind of flawed, infringed disabled person there. he didn't have it done. i don’t know, it somehow happened that from childhood he didn’t get hung up on this in itself, so that, well, he always comes forward. and so, uh, as if no one ever said that we have some kind of problem. well then, i don't really remember at the moment. i remember that no one could ever offend me with this. that is, probably, this is in principle, we are his upbringing is such that i react to it in such a way, so to this. and now everything as if even with a joke they relate to this, that is, well, it's cool. i studied at a regular school, the most common, that is, with an in-depth study of english , traveling abroad, too, when we traveled somewhere, very often i act as an interpreter for our team, which the same paralympic athletes