snow, that is, such conditions, well, that leave their mark, we wrote here. i think this is the best outing to date thanks to the victory in the belarus cup 2022. gomel got a chance to compete for the national football super cup against the championship. shakhtar's meeting will take place on february 25 at the stadium in general, what do you see, is the middle peasant strong, or is it something more? i want this project not to be a one-day project, so that, uh, both the football team and the infrastructure develop. here i really want to move forward. go somewhere step by step to progress upwards and achieve some big goals of big tasks. another interesting fact about the internal competition in the belarusian team, of course, the leaders dinara and anton smolsky could not

win the national championship in print, a real sensation happened in the men, either ovsienko took the first place with one miss by 3 seconds. overtook the silver medalist of the race. nikita lobastov. it is worth noting that both two misses of the usvolsky bronze three penalty circles on two firing lines today to compete, even for the top three, because i recently missed training. it was lucky, as if lucky at the construction site, the wind was very strong, there were also two dimensions, which i heard something misses, they were closing. that is, now it coincided today as directly as possible, because the big wind, this is good shooting alone, which is generally for today's weather, and the wind situation is quite difficult; e difficult weather conditions specifically for shooting and those more interesting. eh, here. eh, everyone has a different

condition today, so it's difficult to evaluate both their performance and the performance of their opponents, because e start is more preparatory in nature, but still this is a competition. and, of course, i congratulate the winners, however, the guy has a sports anger from smolsky on sunday in most start. still was the best, and all inca from the new was on the podium. and here is the reason for the absence of the wife on the pedestal. anton is not athletic dinara was disturbed during the week. cold and injured knee, but for let us recall the winner in the sprint was daria kudaeva in the most start. irina shakleina, kruchinkina. fans with experience called him the belarusian train for fast legs and often drank validol when oleg ryzhenkov did not close the target at the most prestigious biathlon competitions. and although he did not submit to the olympic games, but in terms of the number of world cup awards of the world and european championships, he is still the most titled pupil of the belarusian

biathlon, therefore, when we admire the achievements of modern guys from collections. you need to understand that a real block from the village of veremeiki in the mogilev region is watching them from the stock exchange through a spyglass. now, as you know, he works as a coach of the women 's team, but right now he will remember the belarusian gold relay of the world championship, the most prestigious type of program. our team won almost 25 years ago, which is uh a long time ago, when you were doing biathlon, uh, especially in the village in jeremeyka. you thought that biathlon would become. uh, the most watched sport on television. and what will you gain? such glory, uh, you generally had some other option for the development of your life than biathlon, sports. well, in general, maybe there was some kind of option, but on the other hand, there were no options, because the sport immediately, in principle, interested me in childhood.

and, probably, he helped in this and, first of all, played such an important role, probably the first coach with whom he trained, who attracted biathlon, who showed what biathlon is, which, let’s say, did not force, but helped to fall in love with this sport. well, there are other alternatives. let's say sports. of course, we didn't have it in the village. this is understandable, i can only say that at school i, in principle, studied well. here i have problems with study with study. never occurred. it was possible to go. and maybe let's say some kind of mathematical mustache. and so on. so, well, again, the sport upon arrival. it may be too late to start playing sports. i'm already seriously carried away, maybe in the eighth grade only. how would i start to go to competitions for training camps and, in principle, go and go now to look at all this infrastructure biathlon ripples in the eyes from the beautiful form from the beautiful equipment from all this beauty, and you grew up and developed, probably in the era of the late soviet union tell a story that. well, let's say, this is how modern youth will be surprised, which, in general, is satiated

with the variety of mobile phones. well, of course, yes, and high-quality inventory and preparation of the route and uniforms and equipment. of course, it was much worse, but there were, of course, the skis were not of the same quality, there were wooden skis and plastic skis and semi-plastic skis, with regard to the oversized jumpsuits. everything else, of course. this was also lacking. this may be missing, ski poles, boots there. that was enough. well, again , the quality was, of course, much worse. here they trampled the track themselves, in principle, there are no crayfish in snowstorms. in the village, well, somehow they survived, they drove to the olympic games in the eighty-eighth year, they were selected. that is, at that time already, in principle, i had equipment, well, there was not much abundance, but there was a good overalls, there was a championship. costume there were already modern boots, there was one pair of weapons, however, one pair of izh. here is one pair of sticks. well, against the background of that lack of universal a-a, a biathlete was considered prosperous. uh,

let's say a citizen, or still was, like everyone else. well maybe. it is difficult to say to this question, but let's say my parents, i got paid, lived in the village, received a salary. well, there my mother worked on a farm, my father worked at a construction site, then he also worked on a farm in the region of 120-140-150 rubles. yes, there were wages. maybe somewhere someone has less, u there may be a little more than someone. when i left the junior age, i became the winner of the ussr junior championship in 1987. here we immediately gave let's say a scholarship rate. it was 160 rubles. those soviet still, well, they received clean hands somewhere around 138-136 rubles in this regard. here that is, in principle, decently, when i first came home, this is the very thing i show my parents the money. they, of course, were very happy to understand that already, as it were , a person became independent for me, they were freaking out there in their youth, having such money. no, you do you know if there was such an upbringing or

not? at that time, there was a desire to buy inventory, hmm, because, let's say, in the same process , dynamo dynamos and mentally only soviet-made ones were issued , so in order to compete with the ussr national team, you had to have imported skis and imported poles boots. that is, everything was also bought with their own money. in principle, that is, somewhere you dig somewhere you buy somewhere and get dressed. i also wanted to buy some jeans at that time, you yourself know that jeans are junk some good shoes a good jacket, that is, all this, as it were, a little narrower. what is better in this regard? so you say, you weren’t weird, but i read such an interesting fact in your biography, you went to minsk to enter the institute of physical education and didn’t get in in the sense that you didn’t even bring the documents where you disappeared. this is not exactly how i arrived. we agreed with a friend. yes, to come from the village to enter the institute of culture. we submitted documents. rather , i handed over the documents. he hasn't submitted his documents yet. i've already passed all the medical examinations. well, in my opinion

there something had to be some kind of rotation to pass it was not. and the next day we agreed with a friend to meet the institute. here, well, respectively, this is after school right after the tenth grade. that is, accordingly, we came to appoint a time for the institute, but it was not there. i was waiting for him, in short, i didn’t wait and decided not to act alone , i went back like that. in terms of violation of the regime, in the teams that you were in your youth and now there is a more professional attitude towards sports. or about plus or minus are the same. well, now, of course, sport has become more professional in the first place. this is a financial interest, material values, some others appeared earlier, of course, athletes earned much less. well, as it were, probably, biathlon is such a sport, where, after all, a weapon, it disciplines athletes a little. oleg vladimirovich, you ran in those days when the soviet union was falling apart and, in fact, did not make it into the national team of the soviet union. well, we know that there was a selection to be made. this selection. you do not

retained because they were weaker than their competitors. there is tyumen and from somewhere else in the russian regions. or there backstage games also took place, as in all soviet sports. well, probably no, most likely backstage, there were none, of course, from the regions. it was very difficult for the guys to break through the ussr national team because there were certain centers where they were brought up, let's say. high-level athletes of this novosibirsk and sverdlovsk are probably moscow and st. petersburg rather late started playing sports somewhere in the class from the eighth hmm so seriously. that's why maybe a basic job. this was not enough for me to break through the ussr national team, maybe it saved me the time that i was not there for the ussr national team, but i quickly ran to press. maybe somewhere not very poor quality i shot the time very badly. we can say so. that's clear. the case for the ussr national team was to break through. very difficult. you mentioned your fast legs. well, i remember the times when i watched all the electrical broadcasts, they called you a belarusian

electric train, they shot you, you are worse, uh, why? because they came to biathlon late, or shooting. this is also some kind of innate quality, which, if you can train, then, well, not quite a little better. yes, let's say here, there is probably some share in the fact that there are shooters who are born shooters who immediately come into their hands and start to hit, there are such athletes who may not need much, just show them, tell them and give them a try. they are already starting to work, and i probably did not belong to this kind of athletes. i had to. through a lot to go through a lot to learn exercise a lot. uh, let's say, maybe not completely, i understood shooting, because it also needs to be understood the same way. as, say, an athlete catches equipment for skiing, he skillfully goes when the soviet union collapsed, a strong team appeared in belarus here. uh, it took a long time for the realization to come to the tops to the norwegians to the french there that the belarusian team not only there one athlete drove somewhere on the podium, but

they can take gold and relay in the team race. here are some funny ones history with this or some. well, the eyes of the germans, who are there very much surprised that you are there, sashuri- ryzhikov ivashka and played them for some reason. to be honest, maybe they were surprised, but we did not pay attention to it. we arrived immediately and poured into this, say , biathlon pool, almost from the world cup stages, we began to succeed with the team and win medals, and somewhere here and relay races are close to be. moreover, not only the men's team, but also the women's team did not have such material interest. that is, they did not pay money and were not paid premium, that is. mm, the same world cup competitions were held in more modest conditions. uh, they handed out a vase or a goblet. here are the medals not awarded. well, everyone somehow lived together like that, if it's not a secret, how much did you pay for the victory of the world cup? well , your time was paid for the race in our time, when we started we didn't pay anything. and when it has already

finished paying wants, of course, how much? well, when i finished already, they probably paid, well, they already paid decently, probably, 8 thousand euros paid for the first place, when you had drinks on your own assessments. e, speed if you evaluate e you were in the top 3 in the top 5 of the world biathlon, or still, at least your speed abilities were. no, my speed abilities were quite high and very often i showed the best moves at a distance. so i could win with one lap and with two laps, i could get into the top three winners in the sprint race with a penalty, that is, in terms of functionality, i had no problems when i had, say, the best years. this is from , say, 90 there in the fifth year and ninety eighth year. that is, in almost all races i had, if not fast legs, then let's say for m5. always your most significant events in your biathlon career. uh, in the career of an athlete associated with relay races, where you twice became

the world champion as part of the belarusian relay races. e. well, of course, you had individual podiums of the world cup stages and in fact. i will say that so far, if you do not take into account the medals of sergei novikov and anton smolsky, a single case at the olympic games. you are the most honored belarusian biathlete it was among the natives of belarus well, let's say so , i'll correct it a little, we won. once only the relay at the world championships is the ninety-ninth year and won the team race twice. this is the ninety-sixth ninety-seventh year. uh, at that time , we probably had a very good, balanced team and guys. alexander popov and sashurina were already quite experienced. vadim and your computer. well, that is , alexei darov, by the way, also an olympic medalist at that is, this composition could be called there at that time gold, because we complemented each other, like at a distance, someone ran well, someone shot well, but it was in team

races and relay races, as the spirit of the team, he was such an emotionally very good background, yes, in the team on well, look, you were at the training camp constantly with the same faces. um, well, probably in the men's team. uh, well, there were conflicts or everything was so smooth for you that you can just write a book, no, as i said, there are always some nuances and inside the team inside collective, but they never came out. let's say outside of our team were. well, of course they were. well, somewhere there were, of course, dissatisfaction, somewhere, there may be such internal situations, but nevertheless, they did not lead to the fact that if we went to competitions, we went out as a single team. well now you communicate how closely. you know, probably, it is not possible to communicate, as somehow else, when you were younger, you communicated. at the moment, we can only meet in competitions like this somewhere somewhere at work to discuss moments, because anyway, here somewhere nearby in plain sight, in principle, it’s very cool. we talked. we always

communicated normally with the german team. we communicated with the austrian team. uh, we communicated with all the baltic teams at one time, very closely and normally. that is, maybe the norwegians were somewhere so a little aloof, they were isolated, or because somehow ski races, as far as i heard in biathlon, were a little bit divided. maybe the swedes, somewhere tak, also stood aside for sure. now you are following behind the biathlon world championship, for sure there is communication with other uh, specialist colleagues who are on the other side of biathlon. what about private conversations? eh, what are you talking about? uh, that is, when the return is planned, how do they feel about you and the russians being now separated from the biathlon family, uh- a difficult question. eh, what can you say? of course i would like to return there, the sooner the better, let's say not to lose. this qualification is the experience, in order to be constantly in the stream in this one, in order to show the result, the result must be constantly compete with them. hmm, yes, about 1

year is, of course, not terrible, but if it goes, the second and third years, then it will be much more difficult to return. this is what the lobby says, of course, somewhere there may be biathlon and cross-country skiing is losing its entertainment due to the fact that the competition, perhaps, is somewhere not so high in the absence of russian athletes, belarusian athletes, but nevertheless the sport lives . it develops and continues to live at our level, which we are now demonstrating here. let's say with the russian team that's great too. for us. it's great that we still have a competitive practice and work. here's watching the world cup or watching the world cups that are taking place now. e, of course, we are analyzing the analysis we are looking at how athletes run, how what technique has changed, if something or not, so far in my opinion, practically nothing has changed. it is clear that now there are conversations. it is the applicable olympics to not allow russia into belarus. here there are some whole coalitions. here's someone there against whole whole team whole countries, do not allow in the biathlon family. there is no such thing

that we will not compete with you. that is, they themselves are the athletes themselves the coach will be happy to return to the return of belarus russia hmm someone will be happy, someone will be happy. i think that for someone it is absolutely a drum. some would say compete. what problems who? of course it will be against, who is against? well, i think there will be 13 athletes from the scandinavian countries, these are athletes or entire teams. and well, entire teams, probably no. there will be separate athletes. maybe individual functionaries. individual leaders who will speak out against. well, this is their right, just like the right of those athletes and coaches from other countries who are for the fact that we returned. well, let the shots from this interview become a motivational video for anton smolsky and company, and that's all for today, the whole news agency presents a project shot for belarus 5, see you later.

hello on the air, the program sas is authorized to declare i am the host nadezhda sas greetings. i remember. this is a program for those who want to better understand what is happening in the world and understand how these processes, events, people will affect the life of everyone and the life of the country, and the main events of world politics this week. i will tell you right now. the largest earthquake in turkey in syria took the lives of more than 15,000 people in decades, a series of powerful 7.8 magnitude tremors destroyed thousands of residential buildings in a race against time and in severe

weather conditions, about 80,000 rescue teams do not stop searching for survivors under rubble of ruined cities. to assist in the elimination of the consequences of the earthquake, the belarusian rescuers arrived in the republic of turkey. the american air force shot down the chinese rosstat for several days, official beijing, which hovered over the territory of the united states, claims that this is a meteorological probe that the biden administration accidentally brought into the airspace of the united states. on the contrary, he insists that the balloon was carrying out a military reconnaissance mission, whatever the incident with the balloon drove us-china relations into an even deeper crisis, us secretary of state anthony blinkin canceled a visit to china with which joe biden had previously pinned hopes for some détente in his speech to congress. he said that he was offering china competition instead of conflict, and partnership is out of the question

. president of ukraine volodymyr zelensky went on a european tour visiting london paris and brussels this is only his second trip abroad since the start of the special operation in december in an atmosphere of secrecy. he made an unexpected visit to washington however, after the revelations of former israeli prime minister benat that moscow had guaranteed zelensky 's security at the beginning of the conflict, the need to portray the leader hiding from russian missiles in a bunker disappeared during meetings with european heads of state and government, zelensky habitually demanded new supplies of weapons and money. at the same time, as expected at the brussels summit, the european union did not give any promises of ukraine's imminent membership in the bloc. and today i would like to start with a quote program

commander of the american forces in vietnam, general william westmorlent, it is not the military who start the war, it is the politicians who start the war, and we will talk about how and which of the politicians 9 years ago, ignited the war in the donbass then frustrated all efforts to establish peace in ukraine and eventually brought the matter to of the largest armed conflict in europe since 1945 to help understand this extremely complex topic. anatoly eye will be with me today, press secretary of the ministry of foreign affairs of belarus and people's deputy of ukraine oleg voloshin hello, we will start our discussion with a quick question, in your opinion, were the minsk agreements a real chance for peace? oleg, i am convinced that they were, but the most important thing is that uh, well, it was said many times that the only alternative. the implementation of the minsk agreements will be a big war, and, unfortunately, history has proven us right anatoly, you can talk a lot, yes, uh about

the past, but uh, an unequivocal conclusion, as a professional, i will say, as a diplomat, that u were definitely a real chance for peace and could be completed. we understand very well what kind of diplomatic work has been done by belarusian diplomacy in recent years to implement the minsk agreements, but in your opinion, why minsk was chosen in 2014 as a platform for negotiations on the settlement of the conflict in donbass, as in any complex issue, the reasons, of course, are complex . eh, and i 'll tell you more. e in diplomacy. who knows the history of diplomacy, the platform plays a very important role in the success of negotiations, therefore, it is always chosen with great care. uh, of course, there were big discussions around the minsk site, there were many different proposals. where to hold these negotiations, but

none of the proposals to one degree or another at that moment e did not suit all parties. uh, the only thing where all the factors converged was belarus of course here. objective on our side objectively uh, there was both geographical proximity and proximity. uh, mental with the ukrainians. uh, the logistical convenience of arriving here, because, of course, some of the venues were absolutely incredible. yes, where it would be necessary to fly for 9 hours, but the main factor the main factor, uh, is that no one like belarus at that moment was so sincerely interested in peace on ukrainian earth - this was the absolute truth. maybe someone then skeptical about this position. now you can be skeptical, but this is absolutely true, because the ukrainians. indeed, as the president says, people are not alien to us. hey, this is our region. and uh, we have a different interest, nor did pr

pursue anything. we really needed peace in that land. let's go back to september 2014, when the first minsk agreements were signed. remember the atmosphere that reigned in ukrainian society and the mood that was in the minds of the leadership of ukraine. i know that you have repeatedly discussed with petro poroshenko, then the current president of ukraine, the situation and the urgent need to sign the minsk agreements. i want to remind you that there is such a multiple times. discussed. yes, so that zelensky is elected as the president of the world, and eventually becomes the president of the war. it's true, but the first to be elected, and in the conditions of confrontation in the donbass, as the president of the world , he was just his own petro poroshenko, which is why he won in the first round. and what about the calculation of a huge number of ukrainians, and it was that he, as he promised in 2 weeks , would complete the anti-terrorist operation

and ensure e peace, moreover, my colleagues viktor medvedchuk, my senior evening from others, were then already in the spring intermediaries in the negotiations and then an agreement was reached on a ceasefire, when putin met with poroshenko normandy in june, when formal russia is considered a given coup d'état. she could easily avoid such a meeting and not recognize the results of the elections at all, but nevertheless poroshenko was recognized as president. e of ukraine and russia made contact with him and there was every chance, when i’m not mistaken, there were 72 people who died at the end of june 2014, and on june 30, as i now remember, petro poroshenko was under the influence of some of his advisers. hurray for the patriots and a number of western ones. e consultants. uh, i'm one-way order came out of the peace process , bloody battles began, and for the slavic or sla. russian is spoken by the inhabitants of donbass for kramatorsk, and so on and so on and so forth

, and in september of the fourteenth year it became clear that a full-scale big war was already underway, and then really , uh, largely thanks to, uh, the role of both alexander grigorievich lukashenko and the belarusian diplomat. in general, it was then possible to seat. e to the negotiating table. and then, again , poroshenko positioned himself as a person who is still tuned in to the fact that the guys are like that. yes, there, maybe i didn’t digress to the side for something, but in principle, i am for peace and he had every chance of this peaceful this peaceful plan, when to implement it right away, having, by the way, the parliament at that time, which consisted of mostly from former regions and communists, even who certainly would have voted for the embodiment of everything that was in the first minsk according to you. as for anatoly, it is widely believed that without compromise agreements and so on in september 2014 and later in february 2015 in minsk there is a big one. the war has begun would have been in europe already 9 years ago, do you agree with

this assessment there is a proverb? yes, rusak is smart in hindsight, so today you can evaluate. e differently, so that there would be a war. eh, or it wouldn't exist. uh, you need to understand that thanks to the minsk agreements, what is most important , for example, a number of issues were resolved for us . not a single child died. e was. uh, that means the sewers are repaired people began to gain access to water, but in fact, uh, the final ceasefire was also reached in 2020, initially. everything, it was thanks to the work of the tripartite contact group in minsk itself. that is, er, the war was stopped. but at that moment there was a huge escalation in europe , where would it go mmm without

stopping the ceasefire without the minsk agreements it is very difficult to say, but there were all chances, and today even if you engage in professional analysis. uh, of course, it's perfectly understandable that those wishing to kindle uh our region. there was a lot then and there is now. uh, perhaps then, someone was not completely ready and western players, but plans and desires. everything here was set on fire. actually, therefore, the minsk agreements also had every chance, 13 points, the letter of the law indicated the consistent implementation of each of them , a ceasefire from the troops, an amnesty election, and dali already gaining control of ukraine over the border. and naturally. ukraine in every possible way denied precisely such a sequence and asked that control over border, and then we will figure it out ourselves, but in this case, everyone understands perfectly well that the safety of citizens living on

the territory of the donetsk lugansk people's republics. no one could guarantee it, neither the osce nor any other international organizations, especially not the leaders of the normandy four. oleg tell me if there was a chance. in what time period is it possible to push through to convince the ukrainian society that the minsk agreements must be implemented? well, in fact, uh, for a long time , ukrainian society, in the middle, in the serious, not it was necessary to convince him of this, again, and poroshenko's victory in the first round in the fourteenth year and then his devastating defeat when almost three-quarters of ukrainians. you spoke for zelensky in many ways. uh, because he was already associated with a person who will ensure peace in the donbas confirms that the majority of ukrainians were in favor of a peaceful settlement ; moreover, i even remember, it all depends on how the question is formulated, how people are our opponents. or often manipulation they started telling there asking if you are ready enter sovereignty there, then in exchange there

for peace and so on, when we formulated, otherwise are you ready. i remember once in the studio of matvey ganapolsky, a journalist who was then popular in ukraine, a fugitive from russia. uh, i suggested we formulate a question. uh, telephone voting, but not representative. still, there's a lot out there. there more than 40.000 voted for the hour program. and the question was, are you ready to put up with the stay. e those, e separatists, the so-called donetsk verkhovna rada in exchange for the fact that these people they will stop fighting against ukraine and the bloodshed in the donbass will also stop, and then 2/3 of those who voted said they were ready, because we have experience, for example , in regulating the irish north, when the tires and the political wing, the irish, republican armies and the british realized that it was better to have those who stand for the separation of northern ireland from the united kingdom inside the british parliament, than under the parliament you are trying to blow it up and when you speak in such terms. goodbye forgive me not ukrainians say. yes of course, yes tree sticks.

okay, there god is with him, even to western ukraine it’s one thing in theory to talk there, we don’t want a special status for donbass there, it’s another thing when they asked if you were ready for donbass, after everything that has passed, to have the usual status of an area to shed blood people say. no, of course, let them have this autonomy there conditionally, to be honest, therefore, in fact, and the ukrainian society was led to where they wanted to lead those who were in power, they really, uh, want to meet you on one meeting. here i am finishing in june 16 with political experts in international relations, when petro poroshenko spoke directly, i urge you experts of political scientists on the air to lobby for the need to implement the minsk agreements to convince the hesitant ones, because this is the only chance to save the country. it was he who spoke behind closed doors, but went out to the cameras and began to tell that they forced us there at gunpoint and so on literally to the full, a very short phrase, what i think if at that moment the ukrainian society, and the actual political leadership. e. in hall e, what will happen as a result of non-implementation of the minsk agreements,

this is what we see now. yes, the solution would be even more states. first of all, how a person answers, knowing the full information, sounded from the lips of the opposition. but for this they were branded and tried in every possible way to shut their mouths 8 years ago , on february 11, 2015, after marathon negotiations between the leaders of germany, france, russia, ukraine, they agreed, and the members of the contact group, which included representatives of ukraine, russia, the osce and the unrecognized donetsk and lugansk people 's republics signed the text of the minsk agreements, which were supposed to ensure the escalation and peaceful settlement of the confrontation in eastern ukraine, we restore the chronology of events in our story. the maidan in kiev and the overthrow of president viktor yanukovych were actually the beginning of the civil war. donbass refused to recognize the forceful change of power and demanded recognition of its linguistic and other

features. the response of the kyiv authorities was the use of the army against those who disagree to help local militias. russia came, which delivered humanitarian aid to the population of donbass in september 2014 , full-fledged hostilities were going on in the southeast of ukraine, minsk offered to become a platform for negotiations and already on september 5, 2014. in the belarusian capital , a peace plan was agreed upon, providing for the granting of donbass a special status within ukraine, formally a ceasefire regime. the fire went into effect on the same day, however, after a short, lull in the fighting. it did not continue in january 2015, the situation seriously escalated alexander lukashenko again took the initiative for peace talks on february 11, 2015, during the meeting of the normandy four, the leaders of russia , ukraine, france and germany agreed on a set of measures to implement the minsk agreements, but despite a significant decrease in the intensity of hostilities, the world

now the ukrainian and western leaders have not come to the donbass, they do not hesitate to say that they did not strive for peace. this document gave ukraine 8 years to strengthen the army to strengthen economy and to build a global pro-ukrainian and anti-putin coalition. according to him, the minsk agreements were needed to win time and improve the combat capability of the ukrainian army. supported by. nato was not , we didn’t want war and don’t want it, but it’s good that we were watching just recently, that president poroshenko spoke out. why did he need peace with these negotiations and so on. it turns out he was preparing for war, there is something before us, that we are to blame for something, well, he was preparing for the planet. don't blurt out this situation. this ex-chancellor of germany angela merkel also confirmed in an interview with a german newspaper website. she admitted that in 2014 the conflict was

suspended, but the problem itself remained unresolved, the minsk agreements were an attempt to give kiev time for these 8 years. ukraine was able to strengthen its potential after the start of the military conflict in ukraine, minsk has repeatedly called for the parties to sit down at the negotiating table. if they want us to live peacefully, he is not looking in our region, they are somehow looking at it from across the ocean, belarusians are ready for this. if they want to fight the last, not only a ukrainian, not also a pole or that mercenaries. well, it's their business, it's their right, as long as you don't see our special services ready to negotiate full-fledged negotiations in a human way. the ukrainian conflict actively discussed in the world media has become the cornerstone of world politics and will have great consequences. but usually serious analysts do not undertake to accurately

predict how it will all end, but in order to understand how it will all end. you need to understand what it's all about. started. and here it turns out that it is unprofitable for many politicians to recall many of the processes that preceded the tragedy, since they put them in a completely different color with these words , viktor medvedchuk's recently published article begins. and with him. today we have the opportunity to communicate with us on the link viktor medvedchuk head of the political council of the party banned in ukraine opposition platform for life. hello viktor vladimirovich hello dear presenters dear studio i am glad to see and hear you victor vladimirovich, we are talking today in the minsk agreements. was there a chance for peace and you were not only a participant in those events, but one of the main negotiators from ukraine who made the agreements in minsk

possible in principle in your opinion. why the matter was not limited to those minsk agreements that were signed back in september 2014 . why didn't the fighting stop already then? you know, uh, the plot that was just shown on the screen of your studio, it is very revealing, but the story, about which you are now asking the question of that age of peace. and to be precise , attempts at this peaceful settlement. they are probably through long before september 14 and certainly long before february fifteenth. they began in may of 1914, when , still under acting president turchinov, he turned to me with a request to negotiate with the leadership of these territories of donetsk luhansk on the issue of a peaceful settlement. and then i repeatedly visited in may, donetsk lugansk

met with leaders, because those who whiter these talks before me at the end of april. in early may , the leaders of these territories refused to meet with them even after receiving consent at a meeting with me. we discussed. or questions that were supposed to form the basis of a peaceful settlement, namely, then it was about setting a common agenda, a plan for action and starting negotiations. for this we agreed. and it was in mid-may to determine the range of these issues. so that 's the first question. it must be an establishment, silence and a peaceful truce cessation of hostilities, and then discuss all the issues that should have been put forward and, according to the idea of ​​​​the leaders of donetsk lugansk, which i met on the eve of may 15, they agreed with this on may 15, i outlined this information and the preliminary agreements reached. uh, mr. turchinov, who said, you know, let's start with

the fact that let them release all those who are now, uh, from our side, held by that side. i phoned the head of the then territory. they said viktor vladimirovich we would love to let's do it together. if the ukrainian side also takes such an adequate step, but this will be the first issue on our agenda, when i outlined this information, he said, uh, if they don’t want any negotiations, there can’t be, that’s how the first stage ended, uh, in may, these negotiations resumed already in june. after e poroshenko became president on june 6 in normandy, where there was a meeting of the then president of the russian federation, putin, the president is already in ukraine, and ukraine poroshenko, the president of france, hollande and uh, chancellor merkel they agreed to create the normandy format. on the seventh

was the inauguration of president poroshenko 8. he invited me from zurabov to his office and said this issue should be settled within a week. well, that was funny. naturally, because in a week there is such a conflict that is to such an extent. already by this time, by the beginning of june, it was impossible to settle it, but such an attitude suited everyone and we took on this work, a tripartite contact group was created. it was around june 8-9. after of this, i visited the territories of donetsk lugansk at the request of poroshenko, agreed with the leadership of these territories to hold the first meeting of the trilateral contact group. then, by agreement between the heads of state of the already established normandy format, merkel suggested that i carry out these functions with the leaders of donetsk lugansk, and after several meetings , an agreement was reached on june 23 to hold the first meeting, where it was in the agreement

to cease fire and start peace negotiations. june 27 was the second meeting, where all this was confirmed and the third meeting was scheduled for the first of july. however, on the night of july 1, before i was supposed to fly out, and then to meet in donetsk for and bring an osce representative to meet with donetsk sluhansk and, of course, together with the lord kuchma, poroshenko called me at night and said, i left the suspension of the anti-terrorist operation . it has been suspended since june 23, since we agreed on a peaceful regulation and decided to hold it, and the peace negotiations were terminated, so you don’t need to go to the meeting. uh, tripartite contact groups along with leaders. donetsk luhansk will not be started active hostilities. you know well how they went through july-august and this

is ilovaisk mariupol and many other territories and thousands of dead, and then only on september 1 they sat down again at the negotiating table and on september 5 the first protocol was signed, which is called the consultation protocol. e. between russia, ukraine and e, the territories of donetsk and lugansk, this protocol was called the protocol for the implementation of the peace plan of president poroshenko and personal and initiatives president of the russian federation putin and it was decided that these meetings would be in minsk, after which the so-called minsk agreements and minsk meetings began. and i want to note that for some reason i am sure, in addition to the fact that i know that they are president poroshenko, not president zelensky, so far they have not expressed gratitude, including at one time. to alexander grigoryevich lukashenko for providing not only

a platform for negotiations, but also creating normal conditions for a peaceful settlement and made every effort, and he gave them the ministry of foreign affairs of belarus to ensure that these meetings were held for 5 years and they could con. successfully, however, this was never done, despite the fact that belarus created all the necessary conditions already on february 12. as it was rightly noted, the marathon , which lasted 17 hours of the head of state of the normandy format, representatives of ukraine, russia and the territory, which ended with the signing of a set of measures, e on peace on the implementation of the minsk agreements, that is, on all three agreements, on september 5, 19, and already on february 12, these minsk agreements. and the story that he told, which took place. these are all those attempts during this period of peace. but as it turned out, as

it appears from your broadcast. it's really. today there were attempts in order to delay time in order to prepare for the next in order to realize the political will that was not to be realized. peace of the minsk agreements for a peaceful settlement, this is what speaks of a double morality leader of europe, then leader of ukraine poroshenko later today lady zelensky who, despite the recognition of the minsk agreements, because zelensky also recognized them in a communiqué signed on december 9, 2019 in paris and as they then all noted already french president macron. e putin and merkel, all three of these agreements should have been fully implemented. however , they refused this, and zelensky first of all refused because their attitude, their political will was purposeful and

it is aimed at one conduct of hostilities in the creation of bridgeheads for confronting e russia e, paukazsky and wishing the west's wishes with ukraine so that russia has problems and russia continues. defend the interests of the people who live in these territories. yes, viktor vladimirovich , a story that had every chance of ending optimistically, but as they say in ukraine, may it be the plague. i remind you that on the air the osas program is authorized to announce the anniversary of the signing of the minsk agreements. was there a chance for mir would like to connect fedor lukyanov to our air editor-in-chief of the russia in global affairs magazine, scientific director of the international discussion club? hello valdai petr. hello , you have repeatedly emphasized in your publications

and you have rightly pointed out that the frankness of western leaders about the fact that they introduced the russian leadership by the nose is a unique precedent, and usually in such things. well, honestly , they are not created when the situation remains in the development of a conflict. in ukraine, it has yet to be settled, and suddenly such revelations. we we hear and trust is already at the moment zero. is it the search for momentary political gain by those who already? was he going into political retirement or is this a real reflection of the understanding that there will be no negotiations between the west and russia in the foreseeable future. well, first of all. it seems to me that this is such a self-whitewashing, or something, self-justification, uh, especially in the case of merkel, which is really in germany in the new political atmosphere that exists there, and in it, uh, any contacts with putin, uh, in the past are almost equated

not to make a deal with the devil. she needs to justify herself somehow, and i am absolutely sure. uh, a little bit, imagining, uh, merkel uh, what type of person is that? uh, of course, when the negotiations were going on, uh, the fourteenth in the fifteenth year of e, there were no special strategies. now we will deceive here later and it was nothing like that. in my opinion, there was an attempt to shut up somehow this black hole, they themselves were horrified, what was happening and it was necessary to stop it somehow. of course they acted from a position of interest. in ukraine itself of course, but not in the sense that now we will deceive the russians, no one then thought about it now. uh, well, you have to justify yourself somehow. some like, for example, the president of the federal president steinmeier. they now repent and say i was wrong. i was wrong. i,

yes, here, shame on my gray head putin i didn’t understand, but merkel says, no, we really understood everything. it was consciousness. it's pretty funny. well, in the case of aland. i generally talk about it like that, it's not serious, because he generally acted as such a dog, such a dog brought by merkel for entourage, but uh, from the point of view of hmm uh perspectives. i think they are extremely deplorable, because to submit. that after that there will be some serious negotiations with them on the part of russia is difficult, but they are not going to conduct them. you are absolutely right viktor vladimirovich you are still with us please tell me, but with what mood do you read those news, those statements that come from merkel's lips, from the lips of the same johnson what is the motivation to utter this nonsense in your opinion.

well, you know the motivation today is exactly the one that said, dear me fyodor lukyanov why because it really is so when they arrived in minsk they had the task of a peaceful settlement moreover, you, uh, everyone should understand what is at stake at stake was the authority of the two leaders of europe in this case, uh, the chancellor of germany and the president of france , and they simply couldn’t exchange money at that moment . front. uh, agreed to create this normandy format exactly what they were after when they arrived on february 12th and 5pm. negotiations of the normandy format continued and subsequently they decided to do everything because if they could.

and if we talk about whether the minsk agreements could be implemented, i categorically affirm that they could, if there was political will for poroshenko, political will and urgent demands on poroshenko from the leaders of europe and the european union, all this would have happened, but there was not a first, not a second to end. or, to be exact, to speak to the fullest extent, therefore, of course, they then pursued the goal of peace and gaining dividends and additional credibility, like what europe helps. yes, europe has done europe has settled. well, then it was all nakshtal of what you are looking at. here's what happened, it was all pre-planned. and if and as far as i understand, he was the first to start talking about this, hollande, to whom he gave a very accurate description. your interlocutor, what he was, then already the fact that he is nothing at all with himself i didn’t imagine when i wrote my memoirs , then she said about it, for some reason merkel, which,

it seems to me, humiliated her authority. e world politics large-scale politician, despite the fact that she was already retired. well , poroshenko is from, as it were, barking from the audience or from the concert pit, which he also decided to mark on this basis. i know poroshenko's mood well and i want to share it with you in order to fully appreciate this situation in the fourteenth and fifteenth. especially the minsk agreements could be performed in one click, because the verkhovna rada of the seventh convocation, which ceased its powers in november december of the fourteenth year and the verkhovna rada of the eighth convocation could do everything at the request of poroshenko and moreover, i remind you that then the law on local self-government was actually adopted on these territories and even an amnesty law was adopted, which was not signed by turchin as the chairman

of the verkhovna rada. but that was all later, but then this is a political trade that poroshenko already understood that these will never vote for him. he developed passivity and apathy and a mood to settle. he had in the fifteenth-sixteenth seventeenth. and when in the eighteenth year in one of the conversations. he told me. this whole story needs to end. i have to choose next year to win the presidential election, and then we will return to this and we will settle everything. i said that i am more in his circus, because i think that this circus does not participate, i am not going to go to minsk without intending to hold negotiations on release detainees and help peaceful regulation. i understood and explained to him. after that, we never saw him again. u until he ceased to be president viktor vladimirovich you see, poroshenko’s cynicism turned out to be contagious, because he struck from zelensky and many

european leaders and the president of the republic of belarus alexander lukashenko is in solidarity with you let's hear his primorye speech minsk agreements and america's positions like other pin. poroshenko were, then very serious. imagine after the minsk meetings, the whole world said that, well, they finally took a step and signed these agreements, the war stopped, people stopped dying. all this is positively assessed and today, against that background, talking about the fact that they are with poroshenko well, consider this, olund, whom she led by the hand in front of my eyes. they allegedly led a covert operation to deceive everyone there. first of all, putin's russia and everyone in the world was given a pause

to prepare the ukrainian army for this war. if that were the case , that would be too much. you just know you've been deceived prepared for war and are fighting now. but if this is so, it is not so, but if so, why then come out, that there is a war going on, you were preparing measures for it and poroshenko want to show their importance, that the ukrainian army. look, one of the strongest strongest armies in the world is fighting, because we deceived everyone and so on in minsk and the whole world was deceived , and russia and so on, petty and vile does not look like measurements already by this time, if we went, in the way that offered putin and the contract was concluded today. uh, except crimea there was no complete war. fedor

alexandrovich well, indeed, a lot is said about the fact that the minsk agreements were used to strengthen the ukrainian army. but if you look from the other side, in 2014-2015, in economic terms, russia was also much less prepared for tough sanctions pressure than in 2022 the european union and the united states of america were internally stronger, china is more cautious. but turkey, before the military coup attempt, was not particularly drawn to partnership with russia. do you agree that moscow did not waste time in vain. it seems to me that, on the one hand , of course, that is, all the things that were, for example, done in the economy. uh, if the same measures were taken, uh, in the fourteenth year of such a blockade, it would probably be much worse. well, there is a settlement system and all that. yes, on the other hand

, russia's military plan has prepared for this war, is it enough or not? i don't know i have big questions. it seems to me that ukraine prepared better in this sense, so the balance. we will probably never know alone we are told that it was then necessary to go to the end, and it would have been much easier, maybe, but maybe not. and the main thing in another in my opinion. here is our conversation. he's a bit interesting from a point of view. uh, that means, here, and understanding the path traveled, but it seems to me that here you need to slightly rise one floor upstairs, look from above and, unfortunately, understand that these terrible events, which it is still unknown when it will end and than they were inevitable in one form or another, because even if the minsk agreements were somehow political, still sold out.

i think that the very logic of the entire development in europe, the security system of relations between russia and the west, it would lead to a new clash, maybe in slightly different circumstances it could be more favorable for russia, but this was inevitable, because we are witnessing tectonic shifts of a completely historical nature, alas. uh, such processes are diplomatic, like the minsk ones. uh, could have delayed, but not cancelled. thank you very much alexandrovich for your participation anatoly , please tell me, uh, that's enough skeptical opinion was expressed by fyodor lukyanov about the minsk agreements in general, but now quite often we even hear a discussion about whether minsk is possible in three. in your opinion, is it possible for me to add, first of all , fyodor lukyanov, whom i respect, deeply respected, just two vivid examples of what has been said. so the first uh , the late minister of foreign affairs vladimirovich makei, during one

of my reports somewhere back in 2020, said you need to be very careful, because our opponents will do everything to discredit over the next 3-4 years. the so-called minsk process and the minsk agreements, uh, discredit why? because this process was successful, it could be done, and he says, they will do everything, this word merkel's statement and so on, in order to forget him in the end and completely discredit him, the second means in relation to the role. eh, one of the leaders of european countries here in minsk in his memoirs. this man dedicated in his memoirs, and there he devoted the seven years of his presidency to the minsk agreement, during which the bloodshed was stopped. yes firstly, he devoted a whole half page and their main content was that he wrote everything from minsk, which means, uh, he didn’t really like the treats. it means frog legs and other, probably, dishes

that he is used to. this is his kroly and how it means that they treated and actually relate to the ukrainians, er, and to these processes, moving on to your question. e. is minsk-3 possible, and in ukraine they say that it can be in c, i can say that belarusian diplomacy will definitely not stop working in this direction and, of course our sincere desire for peace. this position remains unchanged on ukrainian soil. what is your opinion on this. uh, i kind of systemically, of course, understand what uh , fedor lukyanov is talking about, and of course i agree that we are talking about the fact that, uh, the global hegemon in the united states of america that had this so-called unipolment. yes, that is , a period in history when they totally dominated, they lose their dominance as the main one . let's say the violator of their calm control is, of course, the russian federation a

although willing to destroy american hegemony in much. more. this is the so-called, frankly, popular thermal majority, but russia 1 and most strongly challenged. this is for him. naturally, in this sense, the clash between washington and moscow, and naturally about, first of all, ukraine as the most significant, and of the closest e, neighbors for russia in historical economic terms, there in demographic terms, and so on, well, it was inevitable, but in general consent but not agreement. if you look a little from the inside, then about what. by the way, viktor vladimirovich said, we had a chance to do the main thing to make this conflict really true, at least on our ukrainian territory, even without the implementation of the minsk agreements. it prevented changing the vector from the inside, because even with unfulfilled agreements that excluded millions of voters in the donbass from the electoral process at the beginning of the twenty-first year , the option platform for life party came out on top in the ratings, and together with the party in the ball, obviously close ideological positions, but

if not for the majority, but at least some very serious part of the parliament , which would have transformed the entire basic instrumentalization of this vector of ukraine how you, as a means of combating russia , would have been changed just when the west saw it. you're just not even in the minsk agreement issue in ukraine as a whole. and therefore, instead of the agreement , they were not fulfilled, because there were still millions of electoral donbass, then in general the majority would have been 100%. and and this is the key. that is, we had this chance even without implementation of the agreements, ukraine could become different. but a statement. let's draw the attention of our viewers to enough. an entertaining video in the fall of 2019, president of ukraine volodymyr zelensky came to the village of zolote to volunteers and veterans who had gathered there to prevent the withdrawal of ukrainian troops from the village , we will hear a direct speech about honest, decent

relations. i'm just speaking to you like a human being, and i have all the legislative rights to it. i'm telling you, it's not a harvest in any human way, boys. take away weapons, the transformation of zelensky is obvious to everyone today and then the conclusion arises and there is a version with which i think many will agree that neither poroshenko nor the zelensky regime needed the return of donbass in principle, since this would mean the return to the political field of millions of voters who would in the next elections they voted for such a party as, for example, the opposition platform for life. and in fact they would ensure changes in the course of development of the state. viktor vladimirovich please tell me there is such information in the media that at one time there was a conversation

in which petro poroshenko openly told vladimir putin that he or even offered to take donbass . is this a real situation, could it be, i want to tell you that such a situation took place, because this is confirmed not only in the media, but also by the relevant statements of those who, e, had and have reliable information about this. i can tell you about the fact that poroshenko has repeatedly said in a conversation with me, tell him to take it. what does he received an answer that at that time, in those years, putin constantly emphasized in his official interviews his official position that the donbass is ukraine , and so when the president of the russian federation took possession of vladimirovich putin, he said that the donbass is ukraine poroshenko tried

to he, as they say, sigh, it will be more accurate and more understandable, in relation to the donbass, because he understood that he did not need him. so, when he was elected as the president of the world and in the first round he received enough 54% of the vote. he spoke about the world. this was the main thing and the milestone of all his pre-election programs, the peace of the settlement of the situation in the donbass, the satisfaction of ukrainian citizens. in all their needs, bearing in mind, including primarily the population of the southeast. the southeast, like other regions , voted for the president of the world. then he became the president of the war. every year he confirmed this, and he understood that the peace program would not work for the new elections in the nineteenth year, because he, as president , actually did nothing for this. maybe he was trying to do something, but he

this did not work out due to the lack of political will, and therefore he already had to protect at any cost the voices of western ukraine of central ukraine which were against a peaceful settlement, which were against the donbass of anatoly well, i want a comment from you, and you must agree that in march last year. ukraine and the russian federation were as close as possible to signing the armistice, and we know the position of alexander lukashenko, who said in every possible way and says that negotiations are only peace - this is key to resolving this conflict. but then ukraine at the last moment turned away and decided not to do this. here, in your opinion, what was the key reason for this decision here you can not speculate on this matter. e hmm unfortunately, unfortunately, we

know for sure, uh from reliable sources and not from one source, like several high-ranking people. we were specifically told that yes, unfortunately, uh, the corresponding opinion was expressed by the western partners. and now to the president of ukraine zelensky, that on this stage of peace negotiations. we need to stop in this regard. actually. they were discontinued because er i say the document was at a certain stage of completion. it was possible to discuss it at that moment, our head of state spoke. uh, it was very important to stop the bloodshed. we belarusians are always very reverent about this, we may not look so widely, we don’t look so beautifully, but for us to stop the bloodshed, the death of people is a primary and main task. uh, and already the parties were close to this, but uh others did. uh, indications as a result of which the negotiation process was stopped and today, of course, uh, there are no conditions for its resumption. although of course diplomacy should work. and i, as an international journalist.

i’m trying to look for certain analogies in all situations, of course, the current situation , which is connected with ukraine, is a conflict, it is unique, but for many years after the signing of the minsk agreements, we heard from western politicians that they cannot crush the signs kiev demanding and their implementation, because what ostensibly europe cannot demand. from the sovereign side to change the constitution to grant autonomy to some regions, but in the case of the same kosovo, we see how the same europe directly forces a sovereign country to recognize the independence of one of its historical regions. entrance go and blackmail and threats. and now, do the serbs see how hypocritical western policy, pursuing in similar situations, we received a completely different answer to this question from the head of the entire serbian movement of the patriots of the fatherland and the diaspora, the dragon stanovich clan. let's

let's hear a direct speech in the ninety-ninth year - it was just the year when the west , at the head of the united states, destroyed international law, which is so referred to today, and they then opened pandora's box and showed that then there is the right of the strong and, uh, began to commit aggression , but to serbia, and for that they destroyed, e, the center of belgrade , bridges, infrastructure, a hospital, even children do not talk only about military facilities, so for now they demand from us that kosovo-mitohya, which they militarily illegally from orgla from serbia so that we recognize it as an independent part, and kosovo, which has always and historically been beaten by the serbian part, when these are their interests, then they cannot influence

, they cannot influence kiev, they cannot influence many others, where their interests exist and when they say, that as it is, it is impossible to violate the borders of international law and so on, that there russia committed aggression there and the like, and for this all the time they do not forget that he made them to serbia, you are first of all a diplomat. please tell me what you think. why don’t similar analogies arise in western leaders why then the united states of america got away with the situation, stable in circles, let’s say, pro-western in russian and ukrainian food and belarusian. uh, audiences in a meme are different. you don't understand this differently. but this is just a classic story. i just from the moment of the election of the deputy, but initiated the formation and led the friendship group between the parliaments of ukraine and serbia and the parliamentary serbia and for me. really. well, the obvious analogy. yes, that is, we constantly constantly heard.

but western