once again, why is this not the party of power, but this is the party of belarusian society and the state , this is the party of our country, which will have an ideology of non-private ideology of liberalism , conservatism, social democracy, and the ideology of belarusian statehood, as far as political parties are concerned. it seems to me that this is not enough. in our dialogue, of course. we are traditionally from school career. they have learned that the goal of a political party is the struggle for power. well, look at least at the adopted bill. there are a number of other goals which are the current legislation in terms of political parties, therefore, to reduce only, as it were, without power, is definitely a wrong basis, of course. say i shot the frame. it somehow fits into the fact that the defense of the country will be understood, if the communists are not given the floor, they will take it anyway. you know no one else has the same that the adoption of such an important law in modern realities will certainly . further

political structure and party structure of society and the country as a whole, but i would like so that our viewers today have their opinions. and here, too, i agree with oleg aleksandrovich that in belarus right now we are going to be frantically busy. uh, multi-party construction. here, as if by someone's excuse. and there are two reasons for this, because the first is not everyone will be registered. and this is absolutely for you. i think that 15 will definitely not be the second reason. let's look, after all, a little deeper into history. yes, but by the time, well , the modern history of belarus will not go far. here in the period from ninety to 94 you and by the time when the country was already near aleksandrovich lukashenko, then there were also 21 political parties in the political arena of the country. it existed, but at that time did people know, in general, at least they heard it was called before the year 90, when the political party, but

then the goal of most of these parties, which had very bright such glossy pro-european covers, in fact, candy wrappers had one goal further general privatization. as the people call it and e, the plunder is essentially the people's property, therefore, on that and so the resident of the country did, the only correctly weighed wise political decision as the leader of the nations he staked on the institutions of civil society on the trade union organization on the youth organizations, veterans and so on. show us the brand again. wait means the president when he decided not to operate on the party. there was another very important reason, and here it is. and here stands the legend of belarusian politics by and large, he will confirm me in the supreme council, which was the ninety-fifth ninety-sixth year. you imagine all the parties betrayed the country, even the communists, and then it was not these

communists who turned away, but others whom you can’t call communists, it was nonsense. and one more thing. here you have named a number. who does not know about public organizations. you don't have to be afraid of it. in ukraine, everyone is politicized, every second knows all the political parties, and the country is in ruins. the smaller society is already quite strongly politicized. this means that the country is more reliable and calm. well, for us. i know that story, for example from thirty percent of the creative class. yes, if a little more, then the country, in principle, is in constant chaos, which is why i say, well , just understand, i asked a question about something that our political system is being built in by three more significant parties, which in fact. you can also call institutions. after all, you understand that the leader of the party and the president of the party represent the people. that the party is on the ground, if there are ministers and deputies in this party, then, in principle, these people will also have enough weight, how to deal with them, this is competition. this is wonderful.

imagine here three parties or four competitors, that it is not embedding in the system of separation of powers, but political parties are specific, but a segment of civil society that is an intermediary between the state and the people and it performs significant functions of the function, uh, reflection and national interests or the interests of a large social group bringing it to power - this can not be taken into account, but for public associations have a looser structure for this. and here uh, and in addition to other functions more humanitarian, or something, public then, as a political party, it is aimed specifically at the political process and at bringing e interests, not just in the abstract form of certain political meanings, to the authorities, which should these meanings, i am now asking again as a journalist, because journalists write headlines . are there any parties? someone will come to power. i'm not talking now about

the president. how will it be possible in this situation, when the president, without a party vns, balances the situation to understand which party opposition, and what kind of power? how do you, how will you consider yourself the opposition will not read? opposite. sorry for the journalists. the question is such a soul the leader of the opposition oleg gaidukevich. well it sounds real. well , they themselves have taught our audience a little about the beautiful wording of the pro-government opposition . okay. no questions. well, let's start with the political aspect. yes, there is a political system, the political system is included in the subjects of the political system - this is a classic of political science, which includes the political party, a public association religious organizations represented by their subjects. and vns. now, as a state body, it is also included in the political system, and the political structure will only be stable when these political authors are consolidated together. defend both nationally and 23 years old. yes, although, but this

does not exclude that they cannot be in opposition to each other in terms of their statutory goals, tasks and programs aimed at the evolutionary development of the dynamic development of the state so that it strengthens and developed and here they compete with each other. in principle, they solve the same problem, they form public opinion, plus they generate a plast of politicians, which, having come to power, will just carry out about the state police in terms of nationality. remember your example. i promise to start with him the second returns. i want to tell you that this is our national path. yes, and this is the national way. he is an example for many post-soviet countries in the post-soviet space. look at the constitutional and legal reform. in kazakhstan appears. uh, people's national kurultai. this is, in fact, the prototype of our vns. it now appears in russia as the state council of the state council of kyrgyzstan and the nation, but as a national kurultai, both local and republican kurultai. everything that is following us. i joined our

discussion, we are talking about new realities and the belarusian political system. we are discussing the belarusian people's assembly, we do not fully understand, but our experts are those who really direct questions to whom are extremely direct. here we talked about the fact that belarus not so long ago decided to become a political party, but at the same time, the status of a public association of belarus will also be retained by aleksey oleg aleksandrovich, how will this work? i would like to put the accents very precisely, belarus did not decide to become the belaya rus party and initiated the creation of a political party. it is not the same public association. belarus remains in our political social space, works , solves the tasks that are assigned to it, but our activists are our citizens, uh, who are members of the republican public introduction. belarus took the initiative to create a political party. it is

open to all for any citizen. rus assume that the name will be valid, belarus but uh political party, belarus but uh, why not because public associations, belarus but, because belarus is the political brand of our country. this is something that is not just recognizable today. and what is will not get confused. i think we will work. so everything is clear. so the first uh, it's very good that belarus remains a public organization, because i don’t do it out of secret, many members of my party know the communists are members of a public organization, there is nothing wrong with that, and the second point. so we talked about being an opposition party, not an opposition one. you know, we have these terms not thanks to us, but thanks to the politics that was in belarus and radical and slandered our word, for example, the opposition is associated with something very bad. but yes. you are right, absolutely people, when they hear the position, and many of them listen to what kind of opposition they immediately associate with something bad, in fact, this is an alternative

opinion. and now i'll link a simple example. here i am the leader of the party. i support our head of state in many issues and will stand by his side to the end. and some minister is not for me. i will talk about this, that he does not work correctly and i will criticize officials. and that i have no right to do so. that's what politics is. and that's what a party is and we'll argue on these issues. and that's okay. but germany you say. if this minister were your fellow party member, would you insist on changing him, but can you change him? if , for example, well, it would still not be a party decision. if i am for a lot of what he says, lukashenka but here is the increase in prices, there is a moratorium on price increases dictatorial in a good way, this is wrong. it won't be liberal anymore. it's just that our party supports it, which means it won't support something. this is fine. this is fine. this is politics. and most importantly, parks allow people to see different points of view. this is democracy. we have always talked about our

belarusian democracy. not being public organizations. not conscious. the purpose of the party is participation in you. fear is still one of the goals, in addition to protecting the constitutional order. we have now written in the law a lot of things that parties should do. this is the unity of people. i will also tell you that the parties will save many people from radicalism, because let's take russia , which has been dealing with this issue for many years. not everything should be taken from them, but here they have five factions in the state duma, and they argue many the people who went out there with navalny's white ribbons went to normal parties, because they saw that civilized politics needed to be dealt with, and we must give people an alternative. that 's what we said here behind the scenes, but about the fact that, including political parties , public associations will be represented in the entire belarusian people's assembly. here is a translated example. uh, that one person, maybe in a political party. may be married to a union. this is the largest organization society, but at least two or three,

then there are four options for how to get into the national assembly yes, well, let's say, this person who really wants to decide the judge. countries, but it doesn't work, so in this way we reduce the chances for other people it doesn't work. and there are, as it were, two examples, yes, again, the nineties, almost three dozen parties, and a bright charismatic leader appears who says dear country. let's not go to the party with some program. follow me alexander grigorievich. lukashenka one second third and people follow him less pleasant example, let's say 2020 year, after all, tikhonovsky did not have parties , baba rick did not have a party for all the people who tried. well, one way or another , there was no party to fight for power. we slavs always strive to have some ideas embodied in a particular person. that's who it is am, which makes me

skeptical about party building. god grant that this situation will change in the near future. here are our viewers, they will call today. three other leaders , uh, ldpb, except for gaidukevich, hardly three leaders from the communists, it is unlikely belaya how will rus' get the party. let everyone know the leader. well, not well, in belarus yes, but we all, according to our psychotype, want to see a specific person. who is this anyway? well, what are we talking about? this is how this party building can be started by the president so that at this important moment for us the ground is created, so that new leaders are formed by specific people, that if our society is used to the fact that there is one person, and in principle nothing to change our society is used to it, you understand it is, uh a mechanism that was once tested in a neighboring country, when the current leaders, who are absolutely trusted by the majority, say in the country that dear citizens in

the next elections. i recommend that you cast your vote for this man. i trust him. and i believe that he will lead the country, as i led the right way. vote , please, we are used to not used to. the fact is that the structure of power, the system of checks and balances that is now built, it still presupposes the president, as leader, as the head of state and the entire belarusian people's assembly, which acts , has even more powerful powers than the president, no matter how strange it may sound, that is, of course. uh, a new habit, as they said here about a habit, will be formed. and this, of course, is also positive, because it develops peoples' power. here, uh, with respect to white russia, this has not accumulated. we have some solution, but white russia e has long heard we know the contribution to stabilization. our society is the consolidation of social development, so what they strive for their creation of a political party -

this is wonderful, but there is one main feature that distinguishes a public association from a political party. this is really a desire or, uh, such a statutory provision. eh, fight for power in legitimate ways and trouble. here are the parties they spoke here, whether we know the leaders or not, which 15 parties were created. maybe it's less now. e, will conduct this registration re-registration. they did not participate in the elections. and in this regard, people did not know, that is, in fact. here. uh, this phenomenon is not involved in the election led and their scenery. white russia all the time, so to speak, in plain sight, but the opposition. i think you noticed correctly. and that only representatives of a political party can speak differently. look at the opinion, and the deputies request an appeal, submit a proposal, a set of those measures that they use in order to influence the executive branch of the minister, and so

on . 400 civil society. this is a wonderful third - this is a representative of civil society. it will also be the party's public association of the trade union. by the way, i was surprised that they know about the trade unions, uh, 22 percent or something? it's amazingly fantastic i come forward to work inferior most often or offer him would like to say the protection of trade unions just people are so used to what they are, that they help. so to speak, protect the social science of the trade union. these are trade unionists, and stay in belarusian, therefore , this moment, but uh, remembers the nineties and young people should know those students who study, so that thanks to the representatives of just that's civil society. yes. these were veterans. yes, the society with the disabled, others were public associations, by the way, the communist party refused that there was their representation, purely under some party list in the supreme council thanks to these fifty deputies, who were not elected by districts, but they were from public associations . we got

free education. yes, it is, so to speak, somewhere 50 to 50. well, according to the budget, radical there were proposals for everyone to pay for their studies, in universities and so on. and this is an achievement, therefore, it seems to me, that's what ikevich says, and the influence of the party, but the significance of the party, when the parties will work for the common interests. e, beat conditionally this is good, and if suddenly the party deviated from the course, not even the head of state, but from the course that the russian people's assembly determined itself, but the strategy from the socio-economic program that was approved. then maybe the party will take a look, right. well , look what america is there, i just finished topic. well, all right, actually. we are the republican democrats because of the pro-american course. they don't turn away. they can arrange their foreign policy a little differently, arrange social policy, but in fact the same fiercely good examples, because for 20 years there were parties that opposed the constitution of state symbols, they wanted to completely change the state

structure that was by the way, there is no such thing in any country in the world, in none, and the fact that we have now adopted a law is arrange. these are the parties that will remain , they can be whatever opposition, but they do not have the right to speak in russian, but about belarusian, and one more thing about responsibility. i believe that every political party that will undergo re-registration, in addition to its political activities. such a usual dispute should be specifically responsible, i can say how, uh, we can come to the practice when the parties that have entered the parliament will receive specific referrals, like in other countries some kind of ministry of some kind a site of work and people will see whether she copes or not, for example. we have no secret in our history that karpenko , who is related to the communist party, he was in his time. he headed the ministry of education. and this is a good example when the party bore specific responsibility for a specific area of ​​work. to me, we will not have ministers in belarus and they are responsible for justice. well, the communists are ready to bear

responsibility and our party is ready to bear responsibility for a specific service to the united states it is belarus today that is actually a true country of opportunities for those people who have their own civic position, who are politically savvy, who want to participate. including the mechanisms of governance of the country, he is responsible for certain decisions and is ready for this. here there is already the right to choose or a public organization. do you have more high-reaching plans and political ambitions. go to the party of haidukevich sokol does not matter, belarus the real country of opportunities is not sitting on the couch or through the mechanisms of word of mouth the radio says something is wrong with us . here, i would do it differently. but maybe this is it, in general, people will always find it. they will always be today , they will not have a single argument not to accept this began at a referendum and for an updated

constitution . yes, it was about the redistribution of powers. it was about the fact that the belarusian society has matured, that we have seen that the belarusian society is ready to bear the responsibility to make the most important decisions , ready to be active president. yes. e. is it possible to make a decision? can't you just be a little more careful? i probably bring this example from program to program. it is the brightest it is all the same prices. well, why did no one, except for the head of the state, then raised this issue at prices, did not decide or not to solve it, well, to raise something, simple prices are rising. this is bad for global things about some super ideas, but about national security, and about protecting the interests of the motherland, this is all fine legal aspect

yes, we are still going through it. we have it before the end is not completed. yes, and we are doing this systematically. we do not have one, only the law of the vns. like some kind of fragmentary law, yes , which reformats the political system , there are laws on the foundations of civil society, the bundle goes electoral code changes in the electoral code. and political parties are public. they are all interconnected. they correlate with each other and systematically reformat our political system, but again legally, but not in fact, it will take a much longer way, because psychologically. we still live according to the old constitution, according to the authoritarian one, as the president of the constitution said, where one person, in fact, forms this state policy, but everyone else still sees some. the problems are correct, and including, as it were, probably, because there is no line of levers today and no powers. yes, they will appear later. and secondly, the practice has not yet been formed. let's just say courage once again there is a reason, the third reason, the reason is not only courage. let's

tell the truth one more time. just after all of our country being hit by unprecedented sanctions. i will speak for myself. i, for example, avoid now in the park and say less now criticize the uniform should be. now the time will come to criticize, when the situation will really be easier. now this is also the reason we sometimes see something, but we avoid harsh criticism. we are solving this with parliamentary inquiries. this does not mean that we do not raise the problem, we do not shout about it, we simply do not promote this problem. why because they are beautifully pr. now, when the country actually declared war, by the way, in russia a similar situation. now i often go to the state duma. they used to be among themselves. the factions fought really hard. i have just arrived, all the parties, as one stand and defend russia. i think this is correct. and now, for example, we will argue little with romanov, because the country is under pressure. but when we hold out, then we will probably argue, in my opinion, in general, common challenges - this is understandable. i'm still talking to you about how it all

begins. here, actually, look at you now the question has come, just about the economy, but about the fact that, uh, you criticized capitalism very harshly in your speech somewhere. what's the look. what will be the economic program of the party, belarus is an electrician in his lecture under criticism of capitalism, does this mean that the party of belarus will strive to compare socialism, in general for me, as if socialism is now such a very blurry story, because sweden is also a socialist. but if we talk about capitalism, i really believe that today it is not viable. economic system the degree of complexity of the economics of technology industry is such that no invisible hand of the market can handle it. if we talk about socialism, i see in it, really an advantage, uh, and they consist in the fact that socialism is, if we talk about it , really interpret it, no matter how u not coarse. eh, how is it? unfortunately , this is being done, relying on sources for a deep understanding of what socialism is, this is

the economic political cultural system , the center of which is a person multidimensional, personal development. now, if a society is built, so it has its goal not to maximize profits, not to increase consumption, but to improve the quality of a person, the quality of his personality, such a system can truly be called socialist. i think that the future is something you essentially. you can enter the police here, yes, and you will have a bright position, because uh, i agree a lot, white communist, that's all, but this is a good discussion, that is, we should discuss the existence of social projects. so i suggested, uh, to get acquainted with some of our data. why is there such a high demand for projects offered by our public associations, because these are the most socially oriented projects aimed at those tasks that each of us see as relevant for ourselves for society for

the state degree of support degree of participation degree of trust in which societies , associations and how belarus as the belarusian republican youth union is determined not only by social orientation, really wide sections of the population and these programs, but also the position of leaders and popularization of activities, and this is the basis in the best sense of the word about state associations that can serve as a prototype, but the future of party building. after all, speaking of party building in general. we must understand that this is a very serious challenge from a theoretical point of view, a challenge to all of us and the scientific community and academic researchers and journalists, including those who are faced with the issue. how way to answer numerous questions is a challenge to practitioners. see nikolai ivanovich uh. so, when you say that people have a question about some kind of social security, i absolutely agree. but as for the party system , i ask myself, again, from the point of view of a journalist, a person who has to talk about this or that candidate.

believe me, almost all candidates tried to party history, except for, well, bright leaders, like alexei sergeevich to hide, because they did not consider the party belonging of bonuses in the election campaign. but because we have not developed for 20 years. they are developing socio- political. i will explain why we should develop this about the presidential elections. everyone has already forgotten, and i will remind you, so again. we will be in the twenty-fifth year, all the homeless people from the street will run, who wants to then some western agent again will invest millions of dollars and will intoxicate the people. so, for this , too, political parties must be why presidential elections in all countries of the world - it is a controlled process. this does not mean that there are no people in the power of democracy, but no one lets a person from the street into the elections a person who has no experience in governance. nowhere is this. look at america , someone is running for elections there, a person who is very

important. aspect yes, in the updated constitution , the right of political parties to nominate delegates to representatives of government bodies has appeared, article 69 did not have such a right to a political party before. and so it was more. well, let indirectly let not direct, but in general, an argument not to advertise their political affiliation. now, by and large, political parties. yes , the right to nominate candidates from among its members shall be equal to labor collectives and citizens. here is the government representative. it was very good. do you know what the bonus is? the law, which here is someone cleared whining on the internet, listen tightened the law. now there will be no party. you don't understand, i'm the leader of the party, that this law is a gift for the party, you know that who has been re-registered. this is real political a force that will be reckoned with both officials and people will know. this is a gift, but someone says it's bad. but, please pay attention to the previous slad if it was with regard to areas of activity, again we often talk about politics, but apart from politics. that's when our respondents answered the question about what areas of activity of the belarusian republican

youth union are considered priorities for them. there, in the list of these directions, all those directions were indicated, uh, in relation to which our political parties. eh, and those who go for re-registration can and should realize themselves. this is a social request a request which, in fact, was voiced by our compatriots. this is another wide field for all those who want to become active players in the field of political struggle, not only the struggle for power, the struggle for realism. lization of national interests in our country well, look really. here i am again surprised, after all, so many large people who do not know about the public association at all. here is for me. i i understand, of course, that it is possible. this is the politicization of society. it is not so needed, we look at ukraine yes, when a party is created immediately after the series or a person who comes to power. in some area. he immediately organizes a party and leads people by subscription. here is the list history. she doesn't threaten us. we are now talking about the fact that we can

parties can nominate candidates there to ensure that the representative bodies of power. we are talking about the fact that the parties, uh, win the hearts of the mind and move in some correct directions, but the people are again worried because what if we win the party and bring those people who are completely unprepared for this. here it is said. yes, they will look at the leaders and, in fact, vote for the party. look, this is the physical system in ukraine, for example, zelensky led the business. i'm not against show business, but they don't know how to manage. and this can happen to us. everything was possible, he would take the party , he would bring half of the point, maybe, but we didn’t love him, the citizens of the country, of course, must study, e. responsibility for the decision made to know that we are responsible for the decision made must understand the programs unconditionally. it is a certain work in order to cast

a vote for someone. it is natural, struggle at some stages. eh, mistakes are made, but these mistakes should not be strategic and what is generally built. this is also not bad, in principle, to some extent that i don’t know the party there, in detail. yes, i know the head of state. yes, so to speak, his course. yes, it's big too, so to say the heritage of the republic that we are moving in line with those decisions that are taken at the level of parliament at the level of the head of state. now this is such a soft transformation, but with this arbitrator. from the side of the vns from the side, in fact, a safety option. now, in general , the course of this has been taken from the constitution, which implies strengthening the powers of the government. now much more will be responsible for the economic situation for the same prices and so on for the republican budget. they will carry, uh, the draft republican budget, essentially on their own. yes, not the president, he wears, and the government now has a very important norm. and this is also here. uh, those are the origins

of the conflict that were when the parliament passed the law without providing financial support. where did the head of state go? he had to object to this law. so here is the government. now, e will also fulfill this role of control over, e, the project that is brought in if costs are reduced. uh, uh, revenues go down, expenses go up, and so on. that is, in general. this is also very important, and socialism is one word. there is a wonderful standard in addition to the fact that the government will also be behind the economy. it’s good that it would be more correct to report to the navy for the social and economic program for the implementation of the program, a number of other leaders will also speak publicly, so to speak, we have a normal wonderful twenty -first, in my opinion, article of the constitution that everyone is responsible for social responsibility for the well-being of our society and must bear on the strong contribution of this