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krugin. so what awaits you and me, security full of meaningful conversations today is the number one issue with this . and let’s start on monday, alexander lukashenko led a meeting with the new general council of the council of ministers, let me remind you that belarus is chairing the organization this year, but i would like to start with this fragment. we look, if someone thinks that there is a conflict between ukraine and russia, this is not our conflict, that we will sit quietly somewhere, nothing like this will happen. the time will come, it is literally not far away. here it is tomorrow, when that time calls decide to take a certain position. i am not saying that it is to the detriment of national interests and so on, but with all our allied shortcomings. we will have to clearly define our policy and our line in order to act. i suggest, i guess, and your experience to this

was pushed together together it is always easier such a frank and honest message to our partners in the accident. what do you think, did everyone hear? first, i'll tell you about what, from my point of view, the head of our state was leaving when he sent this message. i think he came not so much from an appeal to solidarity to some moral feelings. how much he uttered the simple truth that it is impossible to ensure security alone in the modern world, if we draw a historical analogy, then the thirties of the 20th century, uh, in some ways resembled the current situation, and the ussr urged by all means to create a unified security system in europe if it was created, then the wehrmacht generalstadt would hardly have decided on such an adventure, because he understood that the united forces of europe of the soviet union were much larger, but they preferred sit out in their national apartments.

somewhere they played their games, they got what they got, and today we have a situation similar to the need to unite in order to meet those challenges, and challenges. indeed, we are close to the third world war, to the beginning of the third world war, in order to find challenges to give an adequate response, what else do i want to say about this to our partners in the csd should be understood. uh, a simple thing, that the goals of the collective west are not small countries in the post-soviet space, their real the targets are russia and china as major geopolitical competitors and they hit these targets using such a favorite method of anglo-saxon geopolitics creating a one-way loop. well, that is, along the perimeter, creating a hostile environment and suffocating in this hostile environment, unleashing conflicts at the borders. uh, they set up military bases there, provoking chaos, which will inevitably spill over into, uh, the territory of russia, and

there will be chaos, including among the partners in the csd, who border on russia in this sense , i want to emphasize my point again, a security. not for someone not for someone else's uncle. this is for yourself, for your people, and only together. we'll be able to provide it. alexei well, it's really involved. now we will see that last year was such a test of independence , first in kazakhstan, then they killed armenians, they saw the azerbaijani conflict, where it is very difficult, of course, for us the situation is on the one hand. armenia is a member of the dcb on the other hand, azerbaijan is so traditional, a big partner. here it was very important not to aggravate the presence of an accident, that is, understandably, not to resolve situation. there the task is different, but from the point of view of hearing this message that was voiced in minsk on monday. as you can see, you know, we still need to understand that in reality this is the tkb - this is a union of sovereign states. and those who are fighting against

us are large corporations, industrial banking corporations and they have an a plan for the next 15 years. this is the destruction of sovereign states. uh dive them uh, in a state of chaos. e. the complete destruction of any constitutional system of any government agencies of law enforcement agencies, uh, and. here is the dive the population is just such a very severe socio-economic crisis. and when the president says that, uh, this challenge will come tomorrow, the challenge is just related to the confrontation of sovereign states with their those corporations, if we do not resist, and we alone will definitely not be able to resist their huge, and their asset e money supply , but together we can resist and save our world, and most importantly, save the world, the order is completely different from the one that a large corporation is trying to impose now. i will assume to the national elites of these countries

those who own large capitals, because the russians, for example, showed that these young capitals, no matter how big they were, they were not the same. players in the big arena quickly indicate their place, so save your capital when you go beyond your national jurisdiction, if you are not a sovereign, it is extremely difficult, perhaps this is also a call to the fact that times have really changed now igor what do you think, but let's do it this way our opponents and even i would name enemies. here is. in general, what we have our country. hmm, this unity is a little less. despite the fact that, of course, there in the west they also swear about how many weapons to supply e to ukraine e, how anyone sees the fighting in from the point of view of national interests, but there is some kind of only thing there if such unity with our hand, even if we consider about dkb. well, let's just say that there are certain questions about this unity, and this

is not the first time we have. uh, hmm, not the first time. the president says that we must all be united in the csto, and this is not the first time. even, probably, in this studio we are discussing to whom it was a message, and whether they will hear it, and so on, maybe. the time is coming, perhaps, alexander grigoryevich is talking about this, when there is a reason to revise the list of participants in the collective security treaty, maybe someone new to be included, but there are many who want to, because there are countries that understand that they can cope with the western threat alone , but it is impossible, maybe some countries will wish. uh, leave this union, because from the point of view of the military, yes, and political and economic it is very important to feel that your partner will be with you in any situation about leaving. yes, we are now in the chairmanship, knowing the style and spirit of belarus and, in particular, alexander lukashenko what is called not on my shift, i agree here, but a matter of public discussion. perhaps already so

long overdue. here is the csto, as an organization, what can be done, well, not declarative, but really working . what decisions should be made so that this organization still gains political and military weight? more to that level which was planned, and andrei petrovich, his military point of view, a military expert yes, we heard another very important settlement, despite the fact that the contexts are now the most unfavorable and one could refer to it and say that well, let's postpone the decision of some these are the tasks that can be endured, but belarus became the chairman and the president said about it, i will quote, but the most difficult tasks have become, for example, here i am. hmm, i will repeat the words of the president. we ventured into our presidency to try to solve these the problems that we have, and the caucasus of central asia, we have problems there. let's try to resolve them and unite the organization as much as possible. hmm, a difficult task, but

is it doable at all now, this year , or are we just the main thing to start this path there, it will follow further. you understand, this is most likely there, the very main premise that i wanted to tell the president about, in theory, as if everyone understands that yes, if we are all together, we are much stronger, but in practice everyone tries to pull it all the same a blanket on ourselves, firstly, if we are talking about the dkb, it is quite such an organization, which is geographically very strong, well, it is located in almost the entire eurasian region. so, accordingly, what worries countries, for example, central asia, worries less, well, for example, belarus well, and vice versa, what is happening today is great. this is understanding and talking about the fact that you won’t have to serve time. here you need, the main thing is to understand at what stage you won’t have to serve time, because each of the republics of members of the road accident understands perfectly well that such to date to support a special military operation. it is to immediately fall under the ax for the collective west, these

are immediately harsh sanctions, which, moreover , cover all spectrums of the absolutely vital activity of the state, both external and internal, and, accordingly, whether any state is ready for this. and most importantly, we need to understand, really. do we really need those states that are really directly involved in this or that degree in this armed conflict. i mean the republic of belarus russian federation do we need it? we talk a lot about hybrid warfare. that is, today's actions are largely based on indirect actions, so we are limited in obtaining some modern technologies. we are limited in obtaining some resources that we do not have, perhaps we have the opportunity to receive these resources through these countries. maybe this is not a direct military assignment. maybe it will be just a dual-use or civilian purpose there already let's figure out how good luck fixing it. maybe it really is. this is the exit exactly there, which allows us to get around, including males.

well, as for the actual use in terms of military force, well, by and large, a lot of political will was not required from the military in order for us to unite. well, as the events in january showed, in january of last year, we will need a little time for this, about one to three days, enough for us to organize this organization and our main forces. first of all, the collective forces set in motion and efficiency. i think you've seen all hello. that is why it is unequivocal to say that we really need to unite today and oppose the collective west, or we still need to find other inputs and approaches in order to influence this west , the process, indeed, the president’s message was really not just the right one, but he was still later and argued by these all his words. it is connected , you really need to decide who

will really enter at what stage, let's move on then there was another guest in minsk whose uh. the visit to the belarusian capital caused serious irritation in the west. of course, i mean hungarian foreign minister petrosiat. not only that, on the eve of his arrival in minsk , he dared to call the european parliament one of the most corrupt organizations in the world. so here in minsk, with a belarusian colleague , he says that sanctions - it is wrong to discuss peaceful tracks in ukraine. they took and agreed on a cooperation program for the whole 23 year. what is the most important thing you see when you arrive? the hungarian minister, all over tried to find the symbols of some kind of symbols yes symbols. uh, moreover, the head of the foreign ministry, tak, indicated that his visit would definitely cause sharp criticism from the outside. ah, euro-strange, anglo-saxon, like a glomerate, but the question is, what did he continue to pursue? we pursue only our

national interests, if it’s beneficial for us, and it’s beneficial, well, hungarian, but to be friends with belarus primarily in the economy in production. well, we will do this and, in principle, your irritation is not important to us. and so just so independent. eh, the position of independent politics and annoying they do not obey brussels do not obey it was possible and said a number of countries a number of ministers. ah! and what is the question? but the head of the foreign ministry is also the head of the external economic department, that is, his main task, including the solution of economic issues, and the question arises. and hungary did not support the sanctions policy. and the european union actually receives these resources at better prices and can cooperate with belarus with russia with other countries of the eurasian space and thereby solve their national

economic problems. they have lower inflation, and neighboring countries also work for production. naturally, they look. the most important thing is that the simple population is idle, the worker looks and says, and then what happens, our politicians have betrayed us, and these national politicians have been chosen. and-and his people and observes it is his interests. they are the interests of america and not some corporations. well, this is more, of course, what concerns such interests of the hungarian yes, of course, but in hungary, with this visit of the shining one to minsk , it turned out to be pluses in this european field from the other side. no matter what, but what is it for us? it is clear that the head of the foreign ministry, like any diplomat, will not say everything publicly. in general, in my opinion, in his comments after the visit, he said that somewhere some meetings were public , some not public, it is important for us that the visit is here. hmm and a person of high office from europe is such the first sign, because many want the normalization of relations with belarus with

russia, but so far collectively it is not accepted and it is always more difficult to be the first. and the one who will be the locomotive and will first collect all some kind of negativity about the fact that it’s impossible to work with belarus like this. but that’s good, but art came to minsk after that. surely some other political players. the europeans will come to minsk with great pleasure because they want to work with belarus and communicate with belarus but here. we were afraid of this criticism. now all the bumps will be collected by the hungarians and beyond everything else will be a little easier. i think that ours is for our european diplomacy, which one way or another continues to exist and exist well, because there are behind-the-scenes negotiations, not public ones, but for our public pro-western diplomacy - this is a very good starting signal, hungary in general, she is such a white crow in a european family. we saw how now during the eu summit, everyone in the eu was running, applauding, hugging, kissing

zelensky, while urban defiantly held himself in aside. it was visible. he emphasized it. i would also like to say a few words on this topic. i would agree with aleksey alekseevich that here the fault line runs along e, the criterion of the national anti-national elite, they serve their people , they serve as foreign masters. but what else can i say? i can note a few things, firstly, hungary is quite rigidly distancing itself from that cultural policy. which takes place in the european union from that uh bacchanali uh, bacchanali that is happening, i 'm talking about gender policy and in general here this cultural or better to say antipse pseudo-e cultural policy, there are strong catholic e, roots. eh, the hungarian people, they do not allow us to take the path of dehumanization.

uh, on the way to the destruction of their european national culture, the second thing i want to note, but this is probably such a strong statement, but due to the fact that now everyone is very closely watching who will ultimately win the conflict on ukraine, my deep conviction that the conflict in ukraine, yes, if he understands this, this is not a local conflict, it is reformatting of the world, geo-structures of the world. and if you join the winner , you can then reap the laurels, er, the winners, and i think that they take this moment into account and rely on sia on belarus as an ally of russia in this er conflict. uh, i want to emphasize again, uh, to emphasize that there will be a redistribution following the results of this war. uh, peace, at least in european. eh, the continent and hungary are fully aware of the fact that now it is necessary to look, er, and er, into the future from this angle of vision. well, at the same time, we even though i noted that urban was in no hurry hmm to show zelensky's special feeling but in the meantime, welcome. it was very warm, uh, both in the uk and

in. in brussels, in general, this visit of zelensky is what you really expect, that it will bring some real changes on the battlefield or such a ritual story, no, i will explain why the fact is that the important premise for my thesis is that the elite of the collective the west still retained the colonial mindset. they do not see zelensky as a partner, as an equal figure. this is a service. this a colony, a colony with servants is impossible. to carry on a conversation and not need to carry on a conversation as equals , they must know their place. and the fact that they play these games. he arrived there , hugged him there, and so on. it's uh, the audience. i am sure that they will have completely different conversations, but from their national interests, if they pursue them at all, and, most likely, from the instructions that they receive. well uh now. i think the following is weighed. that is, are they ready to become a participant already having thrown off their masks, they are practically so thrown off. well, like this

frankly depends. well, the parties to the conflict, we are fighting, uh, and the solution to this issue will depend on specific decisions. will they give planes? uh, will there be other types of weapons that can radically turn the tide on the battlefield provided. but look, andrey petrovich, here we are talking, when they indicate their position, no matter how much they try to say that they just supplied these weapons, but do not participate in conflicts, but this is ridiculous. that is, it is not clear how you need to be a distant person in order to from information. mm, to believe it, here is stoltenberg. e, said, in general, the important thing is to create an even stronger army in ukraine after any conclusion of the current conflict. that is, it suggests that it may be, not even only a colony, that is, this is a permanent military hot spot, a statement by stoltenberg, who, well, as they say, does not spare words today in relations. he really is. e has

such a character. uh, like maintaining this fire in the hearth of this confrontation. and today nato has taken such a position, they will give both planes and tanks, but only in those quantities that are necessary to maintain this conflict in order to try to destroy russia from the inside, because from the outside to destroy the state that has the strongest world nuclear potential is impossible, therefore, it is precisely the stake that is being placed on the destruction of russia from the inside and, most importantly, how they went about this destruction from the inside. they took the path of not using today liberals, who by and large do not have any weight against the background of a special military operation of raising patriotic feelings, and they rely today on patriotic-minded people and dragging out the conflict, the uncertainty of the action will lead to the fact that the patriots, as in february of the seventeenth year can as they say rise against

the existing government and this should not be allowed. although it is precisely with regard to nato itself that it is necessary to look at their military strategies, what they expect from us is some kind of mitigation. until 2030, it is clearly spelled out for them and for the first time that in what is what in the us national security strategy that in strategy 2.000 until 2030 nato for the first time spelled out the republic of belarus where it is clearly defined that they are concerned about human rights in our country, which are allegedly violated and secondly, that belarus is one of the countries that interferes with the entire world order in europe that is, what they have prepared for us. it's clearly visible, no one will talk to us. here to mind. even such words come. you know in the background, bent gingerbread, when they were said by one well-known, uh, ukrainian politician, who said he promises them anything, and we will hang them later. therefore, nato politicians must be treated very, very carefully

at their time of remarks. uh, we really saw different moods about zelensky ’s visit, on the one hand, spectacular, and such a tour, uh, and macrons scholz met with karl the third, but here’s what news uik writes, for example, this is one of the authoritative publications of the european tour showed zelensky's despair and the author of this article brandon call argues that zelensky is falling into despair, this is the realization that the meeting with european politicians does not produce results. that is , what the ukrainians might have counted on, whom zelensky should have represented, that is, there is such a place there. we have such a very revealing example with all these european and e tours - this is , in fact, madam, tikhonovskaya, who when this movement with european trips began. here her electorate was happily clapping their hands. and now he's alive. now we all will be helped in some way. and so on. here is zelinsky, because plus or minus repeats exactly the same path of tikhonovskaya,

this immediately causes a wow effect in the audience. that's where tikhanov's zelensky and the european audience, which is watching, observes the principles of democracy, the joy of victory over e, russia and russians and so on, and then after some time, the electorate of tikhanov's zelensky am immediately has an idea. well, it’s good that we’ve traveled and what, no matter how farther what does it affect anything, then the europeans already have exactly the same thoughts well, she came again, but first she. and now, when we are talking about zelensky, zelensky has arrived again and that he is again asking for money, and what's next? that is, this is an internal irritation. it seems to me, but hmm, on the one hand, our opponents. they are trying to absolutely agree irritation inside us inside the union state, but at the same time some steps of the collective west it seems to me that it still causes much more irritation to its audience in europe because, well, zelensky and now the topic of ukraine is fed up, and they are artificially trying again in the top there are absolutely daily mail readers

who criticize very harshly. let's listen. now why is he even here this is not a british conflict. we must not interfere in this. we're giving british taxes to a telecomic hate-monger. why? of course, the establishment will help him. already made the decision to escalate permanently. instead of finding a way out please note that i will not die at the forefront of such a european one, and, unfortunately, politicians are such frank conjuncture, and then it will all go over and it’s immediately fashionable for your political field electorate to maintain, well, status and power, uh, praise zelensky and says that we should stand up for ukraine in a conflict with russia after some time, more and more fashionable, but in uh. for the population becomes other theses. zelensky is not needed. i need to help ukraine why are we doing this. why do we spend a lot of money and the same people. you have some time that they shouted that let's help zelensky. they

will shout with exactly the same zeal that everything is enough, we spent too much much money. why does he come, because it's just such a european, political situation. well, here is the most important thing to add. we even see on the faces of european politicians. not zelensky that indeed they are all at an impasse. they don't know how to get out of it. they can only do. this show he can come there several times a day several times there to call to do. uh, show program, but that doesn't really solve it. the main problem is theirs. they wanted through ukraine, as was correctly said somewhere during the year destroy the two, and lead russia to protests, and the collapse of the russian economy, and after russia is conditional on them. and naturally, they could not achieve this further to deal with china. yes, russia was able to mobilize, huh? the integration association

could unite, including the union state, yes, uh, we have a military group, and they are already forced to play this theater of the absurd to the end, but they don’t really know the way out of it. they will continue to focus only on escalation, because as soon as they the whole world will stop. and most importantly, global investors. here they will sit for coffee and laugh at them very much, because they lost, but everyone else started. and what should zelensky do, and in any case, uh, he will rise sometime , regardless of how the conflict in ukraine ends, uh, how to relate to the words of truly ukrainian uh, hmm representatives, here, in particular, the minister of foreign affairs kulebs, who here, says february 23-24, the anniversary of the beginning of their expected , i quote the great events that russia will remember. well, uh, on the one hand, you can't say that they're not preparing something, you can't treat it with some kind of humor and say,

nothing will happen. it is clear that e zelensky , his entire team is pr people. this means that they will prepare some kind of action of the first action, a provocation, where it will shoot on the territory, and the russian federation on the border. it’s impossible to say for sure that it was fired there, but for us, for our population, for our power structures of government agencies. we must definitely be ready for any provocations and know how to respond to this, and most importantly, before that, it is necessary to collect fully information about any provocation. it just doesn't happen. yes, there are always, uh, information trails, so it’s clear that now the west needs to make some kind of strong blow to russia , information political, foreign policy, economic financial. well, whether they succeed in this all depends primarily on how we predict them ourselves, the most dangerous thing here. this is not the first time we have discussed this. in general, it’s even a shame that

listen, 8 years ago, we met in minsk discussed the norman four. there was a chance we even saw some movements, and there were escalations, but then merkel and poroshenko were told that all this was a front. and look now, kuleba is talking about february 23-24. although a couple of weeks ago he said that there was some kind of ten-point peace plan from zelensky in the plan, that is, there is no smell of peace negotiations, a crisis of confidence. and here, by the way, i remember. ah , a statement, not a statement of the word silvia berlusconi by the experiments of the minister of italy , who just throws zelensky in the face, and the next thing was enough for him to stop attacking the two autonomous republics of donbass and this would not have happened. therefore, i evaluate the behavior of this gentleman , berlusconi says about zelensky very, very negatively and really. lately , we see zelensky making a statement over and over again that he put an end to the minsk agreements. although i remind you that

he came to power, promising his voters that he would stop the bloodshed from becoming a war. that's how it is in this world in general, and hope for some kind of negotiations, when you can't trust anyone else. forces to watch how the conflict in ukraine will end after that, rebuild the world, that is , forget about the fact that diplomacy should work. here, how do you see it? well, in my opinion. here, hmm, one should not underestimate ukraine on the one hand either, but you still need to look at it not as a subject, as an object of politics, so not everything depends on one ukraine from one zelensky for one simple reason, that we are talking now february 24-23, if you need a picture, but you need a picture why first, to show that the money that invests today, the west, they will be worked out, what to expect on this day, and then ukraine, uh, first of all from the leadership. yes, ukraine, well, here

the spectrum is very wide. yes, starting from the fact that we were witnesses of the terrorist act against daria dugina. we saw that there were postings poisoned streams. by the way, yes, explosions of the northern streams, the destruction of the crimean bridge. e attack on the air base in sevastopol that is, the same diaghilev airfields in engels, that is the spectrum is very, very wide. moreover , supplied weapons, well, they are actually the most modern, which are supplied today by the west, they allow somewhere at a depth of 300 to 300 km to act on this . we must how to behave in this situation in this situation. you know best to answer. it was the same situation. you will remember on new year's eve, when they also promised to celebrate this situation best of all , general suroviki answered this situation with a massive missile strike, which, in principle, distracted not only ukraine but the entire west, how is it necessary for you here, that

is, in this situation, a military solution to this problem. it had conditionally all defense attack, of course, of course, therefore, in my opinion, we were witnesses of new year's events. they really demonstrated russia's readiness and determination to defend itself in these conditions, but to find numbers. vladimir putin has a big conference planned. yes , respectively. that's what kiev is trying to do now is preparing the ground for diverting media attention. and the whole world from putin's statements because here it seems to me, but the whole world will rather remember what they say and what putin will announce. but kiev is already trying, and distracting from this topic by making stuffing about something will happen, there and at the conference it will supposedly be accepted some solutions. but in general, this is such a methodology of arrestovich, we talk a lot and make some forecasts. well, you see something, maybe it will come true and let's say that you are lucky, but from the point of view. what to do? and hmm when, unfortunately, there are fewer and fewer politicians like

i take horseback. and how are the russians there? uh, someone from the west spoke, and the russians have one unpleasant feature. they do what they say, yes, this is approximately how it is perceived by putin lukashenko , there are fewer such leaders, and more and more political ones, well, i’ll say rude balabols and conventurers who say one thing to do. in fact, no one has any idea at all, respectively, in the near future. it seems that all lomatya e international will go further into the non-public plane. i think i answer your question. about how to get out of the crisis i am confident that this path will be long, er, and not easy at all. here, russian minister of foreign affairs lavrov said that he had no idea how we would generally reach normal relations after, uh, what has been done and how much has been destroyed, but nevertheless, if we talk about the conditions for returning to normal relations, then, it seems to me, it is necessary to fulfill

several conditions: the first is to gain strength , strength, both economic and military and ideological. i would like here to recall the minister of foreign affairs affairs of the soviet union, our countryman gromyk andrey andreyevich, who was called mr. no, of course he was not mr. and to me, he just knew how to negotiate, to be able to say a compromise. he is tough and relentless. he left his interests not his own, but the interesting countries that he represented, and this led to the fact that the ussr was respected, including that its interests were considered not by kozyrevism, but by giving up emotional interests. yes, to be patted on the back, namely, to be able to protect yourself, including e, there by diplomatic military and other means, and secondly, uh. i think a reset of international institutions will be necessary. he does not work in other institutions that we see today, where he does not hear any at all in all these processes, but alexander is also a challenge to our

internal such integrity, and mobilization in the military sense, but in the documentary cognitive sense absolutely right. now i would just like to move on to the fact that you have implemented this step in your organization. so we matured for a long time thinking about how white russia when there is a base to turn into a political party. and now they have found this way out, when the organization remains an association. yours and the party. that's how it is construction, here. write off here the context that we are discussing with you today. ah. well, just a few more seconds, i’ll say that i wanted to support your thesis that we should be strong not only in the military political, which i spoke about above, but also in ideological terms, there should not be these flirtations, partners are friends there and so on, and yes, deceive yourself. we must clearly understand that we have what we have. our country. there is our national interest and civilizational shende - the identity of the eastern european east slavic and it must be protected, as far as , uh, parties and public

associations are concerned. surely they saw one of the parcels. our country needs instruments of unity and the party can and should be one of such instruments, if what a party is , a party is a unity built on ideology on a certain program and division. here e, a certain body of values ​​and meanings. this is a necessary condition for membership in the party, followed by the corresponding activity of the country in political terms in a different social worldview, perhaps in terms and such tasks the party can solve, it is very important to choose the right spiritual worldview foundations. they are the system of meanings , which even today we can call it the ideology of the belarusian statehood, which is largely reflected in the constitution in the messages that we made updated constitution in a referendum last year.

we don’t have much time left, but, uh, trying to collect the main thoughts, let’s say, that were voiced today during this conversation, and we understand perfectly well that now, apart from direct military confrontation. there are much more serious, someone calls a hybrid someone is called a proxy. but there is really a struggle of ideas, a struggle for brains. that's quite recently. and the thought factory in the united states of america in england works like clockwork, uh, analytical centers are known the atlantic council, uh, published an article in which, well, i won't name them for our viewers, not much, what if they say, but for specialists. these are famous people, so you know how they will connect. what things they write is extremely important for ukraine's friends and allies in the west to punish lukashenka's regimes. we fix the first. and then it will help the belarusian, like a democratic movement in the battle for the hearts and minds of the belarusian people, exposing that lukashenka's support for the war is

a direct cause of growing instability economic difficulties. that is, they are correcting the training manual now, it starts what you see here now, here is the war at the side of the belarusians. this is where they participate. they say that they participated, which means all our economic difficulties. e about this, that is , they forgot that the sanctions were long before swa and so on. and here i want. here you first offer before your answers the words of the president, who will be told last week. it seemed to be about prices. in fact, there is not a single meeting now, which goes narrowly only for some one igor here you are, like a polozovsky journalist. don't let me lie. that is, it is always considered in the complex. let's hear the president today the question is more than the goal. this is the basis of a just internal order and peace in our country. pricing is the basis of a just world in belarus, it is the main article of the agreement between the government and the people, so we must endure, we must

endure, everyone must strive to save our country. i categorically declare that we have everything for this. we not only can save. and when this cart of the planet ends, we will be an order of magnitude higher than all the facts. today i can't do that. i never cheated. all my predictions have always been wrong. an important question, look, petrovich is a global business, we hear the president saying that we have everything not just to survive in these circumstances, but also to come out with a plus, which the situation requires of us. well, first of all, i would like to say here that really hmm because. we can say that the west is trying in every possible way from us turn away, but let's call it that, then definitely. we already choose completely vector indeed. eastern is already visible. well, it's getting stronger in all directions. well, interaction with the russian federation is, as they say. a priori, this is how

a constant should be very globally interactable today. today, within the framework of the csto. first of all, as a military organization of the state. we form not only actions there or conduct exercises there with collective forces and interactions within the framework of this organization, but it is also developing very widely and in the educational military sphere. these tendencies have been outlined very widely and we are working on a lot in the scientific field. we maintain very serious serious cooperation with the people 's republic of china, primarily with the people 's liberation army of china. so i want to say that this is the east vector that has been chosen. i think for us, uh, first of all, it is promising for the coming years, maybe even for the coming decades. it can be said that, as far as we are concerned, we must definitely come out in the black today, even if we look to the west. you see, all globalist ideas have faded into the background, everyone has completely begun to engage in the restoration of the military-industrial complex. what is

the military industrial complex , the military-industrial complex is in any case, it is an impetus to any economy, that is, in any case, the military component is an impetus for the development of the state in general. as such, in the economic political , it shows how strong this state is really, if it has strong power, then, accordingly, it is strong power. it can only show itself in these difficult conditions of the situation, where you really need to make strong-willed decisions and bring these strong-willed decisions to the end, uh , our conclusions are what we should be in order to go through this track, you know, here is the president. he speaks clearly, he speaks the idea of ​​justice. yes, and also according to lassual by e, propaganda of the first world war. it clearly says what war is. this is a war of ideas against ideas, that is, our idea, it is the strongest . because it is very difficult to break it. and that's why the president is not pushing the ideas of some kind of free market. let's develop private corporations, let's develop. he says, no, we need to develop

in such a way that everyone who comes to the store feels this justice. they are so that coming to the store and could not buy it. that is why general justice is expressed; there will be no justice, internal conflicts will always begin. this one earns more, this one earns less, this one earns more. can afford. this should not be, and uh, it should be noted that the president is not only about prices i also talked about unevenness. friction of income is also injustice, and our task now is to make sure that our opponents are ours. well, let's just call it directly, the enemies did not use any technology, ideological in order to rock our society. uh, showing that you see that there, and a better car than you have, go there to do it. yes, this is unfair in reality, why are we at all levels? here the president says everyone should protect e our country, because at all levels in all regions of distant points. ah, those who responsible for outreach must go and

speak to the public. thank you don't worry. and hmm is often the simplest at the same time the most difficult. yes, everyone should , uh, do their own thing well, uh, at each specific workplace, and solve those problems that we have in our country, as in any country in the world. they have some problems , sore points, just the same, the collective west is trying on us. and he is trying to break us from the inside, relying on some of our internal problems. and it will be extremely stupid in this situation for some problems that there is to close your eyes, and by closing your eyes you will not solve the problem exactly, therefore, if suddenly we have some points of tension in society. and it could be prices. it could be an uneven distribution of income. it might be a question. uh, do not know what to do with the fugitive return do not return. and these problems need to be quickly resolved, not giving the opportunity to these sometimes strictly financial , strictly economic, strictly social petty problems, starting with a hole in the road, but

so that they do not develop into political problems, when due to a hole in the road in some city will try to bring people in this city type against the government, although the problem. it's easy in the pit, but there was no timely solution, so the first to see the problem. now it is extremely important to honestly see to recognize them and decide. uh, if we do this quickly and clearly, then, in general, these are western attempts to influence us. we will not be afraid. thank you alexandrovich for your findings. i think in order for us to reach a higher level stronger and find ourselves in the post, uh, military era, among uh, leaders. eh, world, we also need to solve this problem, to part with the illusions and myths that modern public consciousness is full of, after all. uh, a lot of people sincerely believe that, well, everything is in order in the world. in general, people there in the west and in general everywhere they are good, they want to be friends , trade there, get married. and here we are talking about some kind of wars about the fact that we

need to have a strong army, and consider such a formulation of the question as inadequacy, rather, on the contrary, the inadequacy of living in this illusion of such good-natured and kind world into which we must enter. well, in addition, a lot of other myths and historical myths, and in this sense. this is the work that is being done in our country , these dialogue platforms that have become a political, but a brand. or a brand of political e, the culture of our society, they must continue. and in general, this work with consciousness, which, including our association, is doing a lot, and other subjects of this process, there is social science. well, for many, it must continue and become even more active and more truly effective. to be honest, there is an unplowed field in this e in this plane to work. e need. well, thank you very much. thank you for being part of our program. but we continue the program in a couple of minutes, the well-known russian political scientist and public figure sergey kruginyan is in touch. so stay with us.

significant sporting events in the context of the whole world were very worthy of our girls 4.10.12 places the level of competition in russia you know today what therefore, we hope that this promising guys. they will in the future show the result of the key news and sports facts of belarus as the flagship of the belarusian football. and this, despite a significant renewal of the composition and a change in the coaching bridge of a new generation of belarusian athletes. today we can pay more attention to our hockey, so today we are attracting more children, 40 places are being vacated there for young guys.

there is an opportunity to take young guys out of them to make stars. look at the tv channel. belarus 24 one of the main personality traits and maybe the most important thing is self-esteem. i used to be criticized and didn't like the way i play. you are now coming to the performance of my project, for example, to karenina ksyusha is such an artist of ours, who criticizes you, if this person has no authority for you, you will laugh, and that's it. she is different. it can be absolutely hmm unpredictable love is a very selfish feeling. how long does love really last? and why did scientists give her only 3 years? i would even say that such a feeling as love rather not than it is. here is love. see the program of the concept of harmlessness on the tv channel belarus 24. the skin hero

of the branches of the matta project is an ideological person, how a child can learn to eat with a spoon when no one in front of him will do it in the same way . with happiness, you need to show the child every day. how to live happily when i am at home, i think about what i should do tomorrow, what am i preparing for? what are my studies. what should i do? what tasks to distribute to our specialists the path of sound therapy obviously had such a significant preparatory part, before we started training for 5 years. we were the organizers. he is ksenia in minsk now, playing every session. we still look absolutely everything on our tv channel and stumble at once with us. we

continue, the events that are taking place require not only careful recording, but first of all it is important to see the deep meanings. the reason is an investigative connection, but for this, you must admit , we need not just experts, real thinkers, and we are glad that we have one of them today there is an opportunity to chat online sergey kurginyan sergey ivanovich hello , thank you for finding uh time for us. thank you for inviting me, uh, at the suggestion of individual representatives of the ukrainian country , the topic of the korean scenario for ukraine appeared, so how do you feel about probability?

boris nikolaevich yeltsin please forgive me, he sometimes had very vivid tirades. yes , such people once asked him provocatively like that. and tell me, please, can it be that a jew becomes the head of the russian state. he sat in this already seen with hangover here, like, he says theoretically it is possible, and almost exclusively no one in ukraine will ever talk about any division of the territory. because politics will not accept this, he will build, yes, internal ukrainian politics. we will not accept this once and the second will not accept it. the west

does not need it. nobody needs it, eternal war. well, the problem lies in this once who gorbachev told me already somewhere in his fund that while you were still some trifle research fellow. i went there to meeting with twenty-two very influential people, in my opinion, he said to paris, i did not say mikhail sergeevich europe is dead and will be dead. let's go until the russian cauldron boils. here the russian cauldron boiled, who needs to stop it. magmet witches sit and talk, and i will blow. into the sieve. thank you for that, the cauldron is boiling. yes, and they only accurately verify the temperature. they need to be boiled, which is cooked over low heat. don't need it like that. once and for all , what is the way out for us, but with such a simple yes we are here in conditions, when we will not do anything unilaterally, they will impose a war, it must be won. they speak russian cauldron

in order to achieve a result. and we must achieve the result b from this warm-up. just don't talk like that all the time. it is not known that at first it is satanism, and then that together with the americans we won the cold war. well, don't do this, i beg you. well, they can't look at you. you guys in official positions are looking at you and predatory filed smile. hmm my all sympathies. not on the side. those who under smiles. why do you give such a reason so impossible. this i say, not to you of course, but to those who bend it all. yes, the names there are so familiar, something from the soviet era. yes, that's the point here. is that we can only do one thing, but we can. to create and use the potential and new life from

the energy of the russian boiler, which no one will stop. slowly, calmly, not without some kind of dramatization, you need to extract and extract this energy of new life. gotta get ready for more much more trouble needs to do everything possible, and thank god that this is so that this is not deflated by any nuclear war. nobody needs her. this means that the temperature in the boiler jumped sharply, yes, right away, but you need to change your life. this is the worst thing they are afraid of, they need to seriously calmly change their lives, leaving all the best that they managed to turn out. well , damn it, you managed to combine this best thing not directly with some restoration structures, but with rethought modules of the past rethought to know so poke you will be crushed. then they will start negotiations.

well, i don't know, like the cold war model or anything. uh, the general on general issues will always hate, plot intrigues all the time , set fire to something somewhere along the borders, but right now they will not go over to a nuclear war if they go over to any. there is nothing for them to do logically, or a cosmic replacement. there are nuclear, so to speak, devices with some kind of rods from outer space. yes , for the effect to be as devastating, but without infection. so it seems to me that there are madmen who want a nuclear war, but there are not many of them. so we need to move there. we will not change this constant and do not listen to what someone in ukraine is talking about, no one will share anything. nobody will share anything. it will be completely different to be delivering more, as it were

, tangible blows using more individual sick weapons and trying to create. revenge. new details have been revealed around the northern streams by an investigation by an american journalist. seyan rahersha, convincingly proves that the americans staged a terrorist attack, the norwegians helped, but can this information affect anything at all, given that, for example, the western press, it defiantly ignores this sensational material or even tries to turn hershe into a traitor, or even a madman. oh, can i say, there is one thing, a really very talented journalist. i know an investigative journalist. yes, he stands there 10 well -trained spies. yes, he is a nimble guy and can sniff out everything, but in one percent out of 100 cases. this is such a talent. yes, the eccentric is always such a slightly kooked such a sniffer. yes, this is a very important

figure. on hersh. it is not quite this, but in all other cases. i want to ask how plums remember this. these plums are journalists with experience, authority and a corresponding reputation, who are given information, and they draw it up. and so it has always been. that is the twentieth century. and not only that, so the question is who leaked all this to hersh. who leaked it to him, but who leaked something wants, yes, but what he wants is what he wants. the most important intrigue in this field, so the question here is that of course everyone will be hushed up and everyone will be indignant, but this hersh, this is not an osanzh. he is not a suicide, he is from the elite, he is

a respectable person. if he realized that it would be a strong b-bom for him , he wouldn’t do it, you know, in some way. uh , so it’s like one of the leaders of the pravda newspaper in the soviet era says to me, we are not a rural life magazine. we don't have directives we have control of ppds. we have to guess what need to print? and that there is no pnd board , so hersh is controlled by the trend. he understands where it is possible, where it is impossible. he ingeniously senses where this is a justified risk. for which there will be gingerbread and god will not be very strong and where is this madness, and he won’t go crazy, i repeat, this is not an osanj, and it’s not easier, which means he coldly calculated everything was spoken by modest, but people with grayish faces. yes. uh, not only from the cia, but from somewhere cooler, i think.

there is a department more abruptly. so i realized that you can yes, i received the material, checked it and leaked. having issued it literary for this they give pultzer prizes, but for nothing else you understand, and for another bullet the vlog does not lie down. even when the president, because when a journalist, even more so. and here is an important point, because there is still one operation under the direct supervision of biden's national security adviser, sully, was not conceived and developed even before the start of the special operation in ukraine, and russia's indignation is understandable, but will the germans calmly swallow that, in general, the main goal of undermining is to deprive europe of cheap gas bring down industrial power, above all germany germany is absolutely not sovereign. absolutely well, i don’t know, i always said something, there, that i talked when the soviet period,

when i was in charge of the center for strategic research, the representative of the ministers of the ussr, yes. it was there that i talked with such a john pink. and so he said that if germany starts to unite with russia on the ruins of the soviet union, yes, then it will be a nuclear war in europe , yes, but i can say much more about the head of one of the large ones, well this orientation is more understandable to us, sympathetic to the german parties. i was told right in the building of the european parliament. so what about german. so what, i can build socialism in germany in 2 weeks. in 2 weeks i 'll take a few steps, and there will be socialism. and what then, then what are you? you understand that then quit the military repressions, this will all be over, so he says instead of doing business, yes, and the new system in germany we will discuss the details of contracts, between hmm employers said

to me with a boring look, then looked and said what you've done, what you've done. and to emphasize that this is a large figure rather large. so, it's just there that it's all tightly grasped. maybe i don’t fully know how exactly i was captured, but you understand tightly, tightly. there is no germany germany is not sovereign europe is not sovereign, and in this sense, all our attempts to find something, for example, ultra-right, yes, well, at least some rude things if i managed to enter europe let's at least have something with someone grind. it's good for torture woefully useless means. do you understand? well, no, there's nothing guys. it will not help, not in any, there is a conditional alain case, or some kind of this very thing. pen was mortified there, or

someone else did fraternal unity. i do not know that the right of russia on the right of europe is a bluff of the left and a wild trash now all over the world they are destroyed. eh, as if they were turned into some kind of perverted slime and you won’t understand what else . well, people are looking if there is nothing in the center. and why not go to the right from here and before lunch? yes, but it makes no sense, there is external control. and uh, they have some variations. what bidens and obamas or trumps they have there, it doesn’t matter. there inside there is a core and cast. the core and the elite, which will govern in a simple way, we change the means of achieving power with the constancy of the goal , keeping the strengthening of power, all the cold face of such, well, sinful, but