yes, sincerely, sometimes all sorts of schemes and holograms are invented against us, and so on, our cause, the right victory will be ours. thank you. well, we are the first to understand that any instagram holograms and so on is a tool. you can carry out the most difficult operation with a scalpel. you can slit a baby's throat, so it's a tool, so we have to yes? and here , the first is completely different, understanding, uh, that ours, like my colleague, says, is a just cause, realizing our national interests, relying. uh on the support of our people. we must demonstrate ability. the first is to soberly assess the enemy, use his most effective methods and mechanisms to create an alternative platform. if there is youtube where the stream should be, yandex occupied 90% of the market. today it should occupy 100% of the market in russia and so on, that is, create its own competitive mechanisms and yes, yes, our peoples are able

to compete effectively, no one should ever convince us that we are not able to win, we will win and victory is true behind us. thank you huge to all participants of today's discussion. she was in really very bright. well, what conclusions can be drawn today? yes, no conclusions, draw your own ability on your own, get analyze and comprehend information better protection from lies and manipulation in the era of information wars and finish, i would like to quote from victor pelevin's generation pv novel about which one of our guests recalled, and getprom is immortal, only words change . thank you. well , now i am authorized to declare. in the information war, it is important to stay on side of the truth.

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, chairman of the belarusian republican colleague of advocates, today i would like to talk about the bar of legality about foundations of civil society. hello, on the air, the program, say, do not be silent in the studio svetlana smolonskaya and tatiana shcherbina and today we have alexey shvakov as our guest. hello aleksey ivanovich good afternoon in belarus now there is one lawyer per 5,000 people. yes, if i'm not confusing anything, how do you evaluate these figures? are there enough lawyers in belarus and not many, but if we take

the specifics of our work, they evaluate the availability of legal assistance, the negotiability of the situation on appeal, if possible, satisfy all requests of our population, we have enough lawyers, we have some problems with remote areas, but we are their operatives. we also solve such problems and complaints from the population there that we are not able to do somewhere. we can't provide legal help we don't, so we're fixing it. well you said that compared to other countries. and you have some other country, which your ideal in terms of the number of lawyers per well should be the population. well, if you just take bare statistics, then, of course, there, well, even in our e our countries, which we have here in the cis, when we are interested in the number of lawyers they have there, well, in the same russian federation there are almost 100,000 lawyers there. here we only now have 700

people there somewhere, so therefore the population, well, they have slightly different rules. we still have more here, uh, the advocacy is organized there in a different way. well, in some other countries. i'm not talking about european countries there. i’m now taking from us, for example, our partners there, with whom we work it there. we were in uzbekistan recently and, uh, russia and tajikistan are there. well, they have more. of course. well, we recently had a reform of the bar. liv happened in connection with this , an outflow of personnel took place. and, of course, we have such a difficult period. we had to e all these lawyers who worked in law offices and individually, as it were, transferred to legal consultations, and there was not enough space for everyone, because it was not easy, but now, of course, we have coped with this problem. we don't have any. and at

that moment a significant amount. of course, they are not so critical, but it was usually the lawyers who left, who at one time came to us from the so-called business lawyers, and they are, in general, of their own consideration. some didn't want to. go to legal advice to work in such new conditions. and, of course, there were only personnel, and in general, of course, over these 2 years we feel well, i repeat once again, this has not affected the regime in any way, the tasks we are solving to provide the population of our country with legal assistance. it's just that when there was a change in the legislation there in 12, that's exactly where we had a big increase. that's due to the arrival of, uh, and the so-called and licensees of lawyers on the farm. well, now it seems to have decreased, but we keep this issue under

control. you can say in percentages that a reform was carried out, there was a small outflow, we will not hide that even after the events in the twentieth year, there was also an outflow of a number of lawyers who switched to other activities, or even left the country. here it is in percentage terms. what is the current under the figures of more than 2,000 lawyers? 1.100 somewhere at the time there is the twenty-first year, but now we have e 1690 - this is a minus. here we have just summed up the results of all the activities we have sprouted. uh, all the territorial collegiums were brought here in minsk, taking into account the invitation of the ministry of justice , the presidential administration also participated. uh, we have -411 human. so for 2 years. that is. well, this is so significant, well, in 2020. we remember that not all lawyers supported the state, but let's say politics. and here's what it was about. why do you think someone decided,

knowing the laws. uh, i decided that they were allowed to violate it. the twentieth year, this year will probably be remembered by all of us, that there was an attempt, so to speak , to destabilize the situation in our country. and unfortunately, i will say that this phenomenon has not bypassed it. these are destructive manifestations. they showed up uh, and here are the advocacy among lawyers. well, that's what it's about, you know, we already sort of have the opportunity to pass here. well, let's say, 2 years to analyze these situations. you probably know, after all, for the most part, purposeful work. well, let's say so unfriendly countries there. uh, through social networks, influence here . choose a certain category for the situation. there , according to some other professional signs, work is being carried out among them, and when these events of august 2020 happened, of course, it was there for everyone. well, let's say it's unexpected. and for us it was suddenly. i was not expected that the lawyers would behave. before this, before these events, and

nothing foreshadowed that they would sharply change their shoes, as we like to say, that there would be presidential elections. it has been sounding there since the spring and they were doing the work. uh, the legal authorities. they did a lot in this regard, yes. well, we had this system then, you know, now we kind of centralized it. here we have. electric consultation we can now have the opportunity, so to speak, to influence certain processes that take place in the legal profession. and here is the environment of lawyers and uh, keep track of these or those negative ones. e manifestations of that in advance, yes , and then here is the presence of bureaus, independently legal entities, independently located somewhere there means individuals carrying out individual activities. we had half of them then. probably from the total number of lawyers, that is, of course, there was no opportunity here, it means to feel what is happening there. yes, well, this one, as they say, they took advantage of it, and

therefore, probably, this is the result, well which they gave birth to turned out to be. that's what i think too, yes, they did say, they really gave me the opportunity to work good work. here they work independently who interfered in their affairs. here you provide. well, these events took place here and, you know, many succumbed to the influence, there is a destructive work of these social networks. let 's say this is a portrait of a lawyer who changed his shoes in 1920. that is, this is a young man or, let's say, already held in the profession, and i will tell you there is no portrait of such clear so that it can be said. here they look like this. i just want to say, well, we also already say this everywhere, and we discussed this in the ordering community. of course they inflicted these people on us such a serious damage to our authority reputational loss, yes, the reputation was a serious damage to our authority zion. well,

the degree, so to speak, of trust in us. it's clear. why from the side there primarily population states. she, of course, fell like that, so we will feel it, in principle, objectively, too, i feel it, so we now we are making every effort to change the attitude towards us in this situation. well , that's after we change, of course . well, the work on the bugs is done, it is underway. i won’t tell you that there the man is hiding all these moments ended in the twenty-second year. in our country, lawyers fell under this situation there or held lawyers accountable for some wrong actions. well, of course, this is not the same, not the same scale. so i think that the results of our work let everyone know, more that you know when there then it happened. well, in the same place many of these all offenses are not latent in nature. yeah well, who knows where someone is out there, uh, what is he doing? yes, especially in social networks, there are all

manifestations of some kind of reason. well, now we already , as they say, are interacting on these issues more closely. yes, if we have more information with the state level, it’s just that now we didn’t have information at that time , some lawyers took upon themselves the right to speak on behalf of the entire belarusian advocacy the entire belarusian community. to make statements of all kinds for which they were not authorized, therefore, in fact , they pressed this right in themselves and in this regard, they did not represent anyone and nothing of interest, including we talked about personnel i would like to talk about the influx of personnel, we had guests chairman of the minsk city bar association vera reshka. here's what she said about young cadres. the city board is very interested, of course, in the influx of young personnel. and this is important. it's still new life. these are modern people. it is important that there is a problem with young personnel. how

are you planning to solve it. yes, there is a problem, i'll tell you too. she somehow formed for us. eh, unexpectedly, when we here, as it were, assessed our personnel situation, we have a very large percentage of lawyers who have already reached retirement age, so we are already 22 years old. this means that we have intensified work by law schools throughout the country , all throughout the territory. we are actively working. uh, directly with students student classrooms, we work with administrations in prestige educational institutions and that's the desire of students to come to us. here are the lawyers. that's enough for last year. at least it was low. well, many, probably, the reasons for this influenced this one. there was such a deep study of this whole phenomenon, because, well, if you take it there, let's say, 5-7 years ago. we had a queue among. uh, with those who want to become lawyers. and we

could choose there, you know, the mentalists. this is despite the fact that then it still existed. this is restriction that should pass there how many 3 years. yes, in my opinion, in the seventeenth year , amendments were made to the law on a lawyer, where the length of service for becoming a lawyer was 3 years. he, of course, spoiled the situation for us here, because all these, uh, graduates of law schools , they could not immediately, as we had before, go to work as lawyers initially. we would have trained them here already because of the lawyer profession. they just went. here's the other way and into the law firm. and those who practiced provided legal services. well, now this restriction is lifted. now it's just the twenty-first year of no restrictions. we have already done a lot of work. here we are starting to work already from the third year from the moment of their career guidance to students. well , at least bsu is here and we think that

now there will be a distribution in the spring. well, we hope that this is our work, the fruits will appear, which was five years ago, but alexey ivanovich, but before recording, you told us that well, not all, but there are some students who study at the faculty of law or law schools there, that is, receive such a prestigious education in everything lawyers. it sounds like absolutely his city. they themselves are not interested in working in their specialty later , but at the same time, maybe they even take someone’s place at the university while they are studying. . especially since our time , the peculiarity of the situation in which we are here we are really. i myself communicate directly with students. here, then you tell them. that's all about our profession, then once. well, it's not visible. here are those eyes. you know that there is no such brilliance in the eyes, that i want to become

a lawyer. yes, and you know, we actually have a lot of lawyers. now in the country they train in different universities to be lawyers. for some reason it 's not easy to choose. well, you know, i, perhaps, also connect with this to us, as they say, becoming a lawyer is not quite easy, that is, this is necessary, in addition to legal education is necessary uh, apply for an internship. there, for half a year to a year, then you have to pass the qualification exams of the ministry of justice, which is not easy. very difficult and very serious in this part. probably, i 'll tell you, i'm not afraid, probably the most serious among these legal professions, because when he passes the exam, the lawyer's license must know the entire field of law. yes, probably. maybe it scares away young people somewhere, on the other hand. see if the person really wants to become a lawyer. he will go through all these tests. and that is, in this case, we really get a person who burns with his work and wants to do it. maybe this is correct

, because for some reason we need to recruit people there who then will not know what to do with it and become a lawyer professional. i know many lawyers of young lawyers. i was talking to a girl recently. she, there , worked there for 5 years as an assistant to a lawyer, then several times there, as she began to teach this exam, yes, and she achieved her goal, and it’s clear that this person was striving. and here she is will cherish this profession. she will understand that lawyers that's what she will do all her life. what qualities should a lawyer have. well, first of all, as i said, it means to have great theoretical knowledge. it's about being communicative. it will be a psychologist to be able to communicate with people. it is to be able to hear people and listen to their problems. uh, the questions that he, uh, they come to him is to be an honest, decent, educated person, well , a lawyer is a serious profession and uh word

lawyer. it should sound like the city, but we know that e consultation with a lawyer is e hmm a heavenly thing, but on your site you have e on the website of the republican bar association, there is a section questions and answers, where e is any user. maybe ask a question and, uh, the lawyers answer, and, well, as i understand it, it all happens quite quickly. so, uh, in order to be able to find not just a section, even on the main page, there is such a column, that is, uh, it immediately catches your eye and it’s impossible not to notice. this is very convenient for a simple citizen. it is actually free legal advice, how willing are lawyers to do it, really free legal advice is what you see it. can i ask a question? well, of course, there you will receive an answer, so to speak, in some truncated form, because sometimes, well, it’s hard to immediately understand what a person wants. well, these are some details, a pitfall, well

, lawyers themselves can in this situation have no pressure or influence on them at all from the outside, so there are no governing bodies, who administrative resources responses per day will kindly no it and know. this is just very good, because these are the answers that they give. in the same place, they have such a rating , we keep who to contact more. well, that is, it is again increasing. so to speak, the popularity of the lawyer and the demand for him, and people see that 500 people turned to him there, which means that good lawyers have lawyers us even here for participation. here in these e- consultations, as it were, so to speak. that is, such digitalization, it has somewhat simplified your work as lawyers and, in addition , it adds rating to the specialists in the field of advocacy in general. here is such a one. uh,

counseling is free for our citizens. well, and a lawyer, too, of course, a lawyer must be in demand. yes, and there is generally some kind of rating of lawyers , there is no official rating, but it can’t be, probably, e lawyer. well, this is such a profession, you know, creative somewhere. she but such a one-time thing we have completely, not repeating people are completely different, so the rating probably exists among people among the population. you know how good it is, there are journalists, there is a rating, you know, because he saw well. there, according to the program, it is a success, and probably there, but every person has an adult already. yes, that is the properties of dentist educators, there word of mouth. yes, yes, because this is a more reliable way people then, so to speak , trust this information than we deduce there we have some kind of official rating. probably it will be wrong at all. what to look for when choosing a lawyer, that is, how

to choose a good lawyer? by what criteria can this be determined? i think that the main rating is like this, if people trust you, if the population trusts you, if people come, and you showed yourself from the best side, there are no negative ones for you. uh , there are no statements for someone to say bad things about you, of course , people will go to such a person and be grateful to him, you know, we have most people are grateful to the lawyers they work with. well, there is, of course, a case when there are complaints to us. well, mostly people are grateful. let's take a short pause on this , i remind you, you know the telegram channel, let's say they are silent, subscribe to the guests and ask questions. we are in touch. and in technology, our comfort and safety today is for any specialist who works, regardless of

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watch the new episodes on belarus 24 tv channel. on the air say again, don’t be silent and today we are hosting the chairman of the belarusian republican bar association aleksey shvakov aleksey ivanovich sanctions, how did they affect the work of lawyers, if today belarusian lawyers have the opportunity to represent the interests of their e, clients in a foreign court, say sanctions, probably of course, they influenced how they influenced, but he is from here our country, of course, no good. there are no such sanctions, but directly, so that the lawyers here somehow feel. this influence is direct, but i won’t say that, because we basically provide legal assistance to our population and try to help our people. yes, as far as participation in foreign courts is concerned, but if you mean, there are some european structures, of course, this is now impossible for obvious reasons, because the political events that are developing there. they probably excluded, i'll tell you. well, on the part of some legal structure there in europe, such an attitude towards us, probably,

can be said to be negative. yes, again, for political reasons, so you see that every day there are some events that are completely unrelated. they didn’t take anything on the right, by code. there they limited, they blocked it, there from the point of view of the legality of international law. how do you assess international law sanctions you know? unfortunately, it has already become rules, yes, which someone sets them at their own discretion, therefore, of course, if we take sanctions, as we understand, there should be competent authorities there. who is authorized, but it's there the security council, it's something like that. yes, here, when one side or a group of countries, the street sanctions against, uh , some country, well, in relation to belarus in this case, russia is already taking place. well, of course, that's understandable. that this is even nissan is u desire, so to speak eliminate there or economic competitor.

it's almost an economic war is going to affect this. some kind of political orientation influences the course of certain events within the country to influence the adoption of political decisions. this is pressure. this is a sanction, this is pressure, it is clear that from our point of view they are illegal. anyway, i think that they are international law. as you said , it’s illegal, because they are accepted , you know, again selectively in relation to someone they are applied to someone they are not applied in the soviet well, yes, we are there said these dual approaches. uh, that's why it 's all called it sanctions, in fact, it's an attempt, so to speak, to force another state to its will to subdue in turn. we have already drawn the conclusion that sanctions are not always bad sanctions help and make us work better to develop, but rather the dough of the countries that put forward. these sanctions against us, they also suffer in turn. well , ordinary people suffer, of course, ukraine

takes belarusian cargo for itself. recently. in one of the ports, 172gons of mineral fertilizers were arrested. before that there were others cases, refrigerator cars, other products, these actions are legal, ukraine already sounds from all sources here. this is, of course , the misfortune of a brother, a murderous war, in fact, that the authorities of ukraine are now using some kind of sanctions against belarus there, as i am not the first. by the way, this was used when relations on the part of belarus were normal. let's just say the sky is closed. ukraine closed the first sky. that's when they asked why his sky was closed. we, so to speak, are slavs with one blood, in fact. well, they appeared on the occasion of the authorities accept decisions are probably acting under someone's decree, of course, the confiscation of the seizure of some kind of property. there on the territory of another state. this is an illegal action. but you know it here is a table of iniquity, what i want, i do, it's illegal. and this is wrong.

this is wrong even in relation to our state. well, even our people. we remember that not only what you just called them. in the same place even earlier, when the cars were taken away from our citizens, who drove there and returned, uh, to their homeland and hostages were taken there. well, it's wrong, it's not not not a state, but some kind of criminals, it's like that, but as for the frozen russian assets, uh, and the attempts of the west to take them away, well, they say in a criminal language to squeeze out appropriate. yes, from the point of view, again, the legislation of international law. is this possible? yes know that on what basis on the decision? whom? which court, again, property, e of another state of property, and pluses are confiscated. they are not only there. there actually with the state, there and on private individuals these are imposed. what happens is this despite the fact that they are waving to rule there. here , private property is sacred, but we

see that nothing actually will be touched by anyone. yes, but when with a stranger it is not sacred. it's possible. that is, again, you know these doubles, and that's it. not everything is in order they recently read here , the swiss authorities are right there, in my opinion, they are just now here with the tenth package of sanctions, they tried to lead the european union and there they are serious about this. let's go because there just they demand that the banks provide. e information about russian assets, that is, they discovered something that, in principle, generally contradicts the entire banking banking rules, which have been stacked up there for centuries, yes, and all countries, of course, agree with this. do they understand what it is? well, that's banditry, right? and what then will be the trust in these banks. other countries are also looking at this with these package of sanctions. another question was that it concerned restrictions on supplies. russian rubber and italy germany are not agreed, and for some reason poland gave the go-ahead,

although it is probably also interested in the supply of rubber. and how do you feel about human rights activists, that is, here's a lawyer defending the interests of his e principal. yes, human rights, it seems, also protects rights. is it possible to equate them, and again, in the light of recent events, uh, on march 3, the verdict of, uh, the so-called human rights center is expected. spring. uh, here’s the state’s sovinite for proposed sentences for human rights activists of 42 years for everyone there from 9 to 12:00 to different participants of your relationship. here are the human rights activists who just appeared, in my opinion, after 1970, when the helsinki treaty was signed. and where did it all suddenly appear, the police and, accordingly, human rights activists began to appear. as far as i remember, all these stories are historical events. yes, there were investigators. accepted human rights, well, there is a peeper something human rights was. well, these are about

the defenders, they really appeared in the soviet union and built their activities. here's how to protect human rights. yes we are all we remember this, there is the name of these human rights activists. they are known to someone older. that's why, well, you know human rights activists. well, he has questions. yes, especially now, when we again understand that not all this is simple and that there is still the influence of external forces, someone's hand is everywhere. she looks furry. it's not always visible there. maybe, but she is, yes, who conducts all these processes as a human rights activist, it is impossible to compare. we act within the law, we comply with the laws of the state. and in this line of action, human rights activists are all these organizations, who even established them on such a basis, who gave them the right to speak at all? yes, here to speak up to defend human rights, they are many without higher. without a legal education and there they have different professions. well, they decided, but i will be a human rights activist.

yes, i will protect the rights. well, you know what a peculiarity here is to take more soviet human rights activists. if you remember, yes, they all opposed their country. yes , nowhere did they say there that something was in the interests of their own country. they have this one the whole position was criticism, criticism, criticism against the country, and in the end , unfortunately, here in the ninety-first year, this is also the influence of these human rights organizations, which then, by the way, were booming. uh, go uh, and the country fell apart. yes , that's a plus. this, again, is also a blow to the reputation of the legal community, because so many people perceive all these figures, and as lawyers, people who know the laws, uh, who can be counted on more than once. here after the twentieth year i e communicated and heard clear data that people turned to these human rights centers for help. and if it didn't concern how they called polits for the freemen, then no one even took up the protection of a person. that is, if it's

just there, let's say, somewhere a disabled person went to jail. and he needs some help. nobody even took it. eh, for these things. that's the whole price of their human rights day. well actually. you know, i’ll say right away that they have nothing, firstly, nothing to do with the legal community, these are people who persecute, as already everyone understands the political goals. well, the most important question. yes, that's what they do one more thing. who finances all this? yes, it turns out, who orders the music, where do all these human rights organizations get their money from. and how do we already kind of know, yes, alexey ivanovich, but nevertheless, the president wrote the law on the foundations of civil society. what do you think in the twentieth year, but even before the twentieth year, many brains were so reflashed, what now? we need to explain the foundations of civil society and reinforce them by law. that's important laws are good that we drew. this is what civil society is focusing on. this is a very thing. this is an important aspect of the existence of the state and peoples in general.

well, you know how they are formed, what views are in civil society among the people, so to speak, this is how the country develops. uh, as you said, yes, they reflashed the brains of many, because this is the influence of current technologies, these social networks telegram channels, of course, they have collapsed on modern society, including civil society. yes, but try there if u you don't have enough knowledge to prepare education for c. finally, figure it out. what is there, true, or something, not true, therefore the formation of civil society. here is the law. he is important, he gives there to say the basics, so to speak, guiding the movement. for us, this is the interaction between society and the state . civil society. this is the formation of the belarusian nation of the belarusian people in general and, uh, the formation of a citizen. the society we now need to give is the law. this is the beginning of a lot of work a lot of attention. it is necessary, so to speak,

to instill in people from childhood to our tradition, to our culture, so that they feel proud of their country, so that they understand that our country is the best, that our people are hardworking good, yes, that, if necessary, each member of civil society should stand up for his country. and this also needs to be nurtured. it seems to me that these are the things that you are talking about, which should be brought up from a young age. they, well, from here must go from the heart. well, you see, you can’t write everything in the law, all these things that i said, how we need to lead, how to educate this is what is called, you need to take this child or you and me by the hand, yes, and do this, because the formation of civil society is not just that the law has now been adopted and everything will be different with us . well, it's already formed somewhere. we understand, what are the views , what are the traditions, firstly, where will we go. where will our people take what values ​​in general, we have already accepted these values, and

we say that we now want to live like this. well, you see, we are still thrown there periodically, then this one from the other and we must e develop from our people and, as they say , inoculation of immunity from these here on these values ​​alien to us, we see the example of ukraine yes , when over the past 30 years they have completely turned away from russia yes. they turned to the other side and again reflashed. eh, the consciousness of people has already grown a whole generation that does not remember how we lived together in three fraternal countries. well, there and plus the rest, too, and absolutely other values. that's right, you say reflashed. so you know when there's already i watch, we watch when they take it down. there they are monuments to our soldiers in their place of our soldiers. all ukrainians are buried there. yes, and who were together. and in general, this is already some things, for example, when the monument to vatutin was demolished, and just a monument. it's on the grave.

he doesn't remember anything at all. how many ukrainians were killed, there in the woman. yara lies 8 million ukrainians, i'm not mistaken, they died during the great patriotic war. that's where they lie in these graves. the saddest thing, as he said. uh, the political scientist vozilfimov was at

visit us. so we talked about 30 years, and he said that it would take at least another 30 years for a new generation of ukrainians to grow up, who are already here, so that they return to the mainstream of the bosom of the slavic family. well, i think, yes, it is, of course, a mistake that these western values, they thought that this is their value never ukraine, uh, the ukrainian people are slavic people, well, they will not live by these values, let's get back to lawyering, and at the end of 2022, a commission was established. do you understand how it will work? correctly, and the lawyers also observed the law and acted within the framework of the rules of professional ethics that we have, which means that there may be some control bodies that are not lawyers from outside. there are some external state bodies there. this is understandable. and that's exactly when the lawyers themselves

can. well, at least keep track of certain processes that are going on, uh, the bar, and this commission is not something that is there, only there are some checks there on the activities of lawyers. this is just an analysis of an analysis, or a situation, like this process of communication with lawyers that take place in the bar in this commission, it is just starting. we have to work. it's the first time, so it's been created. but i think that this year we tried this activity, this monitoring. and this commission included representatives of all regions of all territorial colleges , the most, so to speak, it is already the responsibility of lawyers, and we will work in this direction. yeah, belarus is developing. professional development standard for lawyers. please tell me about it too in more detail this is also one of the main areas of our work. this is to ensure the availability of legal assistance to the population, including financial accessibility. and most importantly, our work.

that's what we talked about is judged by its quality. well, how the lawyers perceived it, how he worked out doing his job, and so the population and the state relate to this, so raising the professional level and the quality of knowledge is for us. here is the primary task of legal assistance legal assistance in our country is available any citizen. we have a very large category of doing, which legal aid , which is provided free of charge, is indicated in this category of business in the law on the bar, in addition to all this, we regularly conduct free consultations for free and promotions directed. on this we have last year there dozens of such actions took place, so uh man any person who wants to get legal help. even one that is somewhere limited by e material means. he will get it lawyer how we set the task should to improve their knowledge constantly constantly

regularly and education must be continuous, because we have very significant legislation and are constantly changing live ourselves. know about it. yes, it is to study and be aware. well, you need to constantly improve your level , first of all, of course, self-education, but the standards that we are talking about are the minimum that lawyers must master within a year. courses should be trained to speak in the press with scientific articles so that they are on top, so that this does not happen. shame is said. it's to carve out the teachers there. er, relevant who will be able to teach practitioners, yes. you know , we have our own advocacy in our bar , right now i'm afraid to make a mistake, but there are about 20 lawyers there who teach and have a ph.d. well, well, well, this is one thing. and we attract. we

are currently cooperating with our colleagues from other departments in this area of ​​advanced training. we have very close cooperation with the belarusian chamber of notaries. we are holding a joint education. we have now, in that year, it means that we have developed close relations with, uh, the investigative committee. they have an institute for advanced studies. there is now very close cooperation between the two groups of lawyers. we even learned from them there at their store, but it’s a common cause, so it’s good that we will improve our work in this regard. we are constantly working with universities with legal contacts, and now we have the institute for advanced retraining. at the belarusian state university we attract expert institutions to the e-experts. well, yes we don't have enough strength there. we hope that we will develop this activity seriously. and now we're going to take a short break.

after a short pause, we will return to this studio again, while subscribe to our telegram channel. it's called say and don't be silent. leave your comments. offer us guests we are in touch, and look for all our episodes on the belarus 1 youtube channel and on the website of the belteleradiocompany. on the air say it again, don't be silent. our guest is the chairman of the belarusian republican bar association aleksey shvakov aleksey ivanovich and what is the secret of a lawyer's success? what is the number of cases won? well, it is generally accepted that if a lawyer has won a lot of cases, then he is successful. and if he lost, uh, won and lost , then, then, well, so-so. well, success lawyer know, i guess so let's say it starts. uh, with his training. it is necessary to have great

knowledge, legislation, judicial there , investigative practice, and so on, success will come. well, this is already an external form, when a lawyer has a high level training and knowledge and practical work, and he skillfully puts this knowledge into practice in the court. uh, with legal entities working with citizens, yes, then, of course, this works as an indicator, especially in civil cases. this is of course how we lawyers say a case won. yes, of course , this is important for a lawyer, because it speaks of his level, people see it and appreciate it. again, here is a related question. if the lawyer sees that the case is not promising, but if you deal with it, then you can earn money, but he knows he won't win doing it. this will affect his reputation. yes, that is, everything seems to be interconnected. but a question. is he obligated to notify, uh, the client of his principal that the case cannot

be won? you know, yes, of course, we have this expressly provided for in the rules of professional ethics that lawyers have. first of all, it is guided precisely by the fact that if the lawyer, you see, judged without perspective and there are no steam grounds in the claims there or the position of the clients. he, of course, must tell the client about this. and if he is already sure that this is a matter at all, well, he has no prospects and will not lead to anything, then, in principle, he can even refuse to participate in such a case, only in this case he can refuse. well, a whole list of cases. here are these, when lawyers can refuse to participate in a case, as a rule, a lawyer does not have the right to refuse if he is approached by a client or, as far as criminal divisions are concerned , process is involved in a criminal case, or

contract, then he has no right to refuse to provide legal assistance, except for the cases that i have said and are indicated in the rules of the professional. well it's there they stipulated that the lawyers are somehow interested in this case. if there he used to participate there as a judge of experts. the prosecutor, if there is a lawyer on the other side, is his relative, if the relative is there his judge, if the lawyer. oh, by the way, there is still such a reason when you understand that the level of his knowledge or training there is not enough to initiate such a case. he too, how should you tell customers to look for it. sorry, i'm not ready to help you. well, there were also cases next to this when you refused some cases , there is always a preliminary discussion with the person who turned to you about this or that situation.

and probably it was not in my practice such an official refusal, as it were, that i participated, and then i refuse, but when you find out certain circumstances, you understand that, probably, when talking with the same clients, well, he explains to the person that i'm on those or for other reasons it is better to say so e to contact another lawyer. well, that is, because a person is more than a horseshoe well , i’ll say frankly that i’m not really a specialist there in labor matters there or there , marriage and family, yes, therefore, well, when i worked more now, i don’t have time. unfortunately, this profession is so tightly engaged in its more in criminal cases. yes? uh-huh and another topic. i would like to touch. uh, mediation is a mediation procedure, if we have a staff of mediators in belarus, uh, is this procedure in demand in society and are our legal systems ready in our bar, uh, 174 mediators are mediators

lawyers? i mean lawyers who are here ready to take up mediation, well, mediation. you know, probably, the entire legal system itself must somehow be prepared from all sides for this behavior of mediation. well, as for marital family relations, mediation is moving there and there are good ones, so to speak. results and lawyers are involved and people are happy and and everything goes on as usual. let's just say. well, as for mediation in the criminal process, there is also one. we have something there, of course, the results. at least, i don’t really hear it, because, well , i’m saying it again for many, many reasons, here it’s important that people understand this so to speak, and the authorities also, as it were, delve into this process , tell how you yourself became a lawyer. let's tell this story to our viewers. well, i already told you that my

path was such that the lawyers did not direct me so let's say it turned out that at first i entered the military school and unlearned there i had a smart face for 3 years for health reasons. well, then, as i just explained, i sit, i look at this book of incoming wu. directory yes, even under soviet power. so, as i also tell you, for some reason i have a first glance, fell on the faculty, journalism a second glance, something stopped on the second sheet on the next sheet. i'm looking at the law school. well, i entered law school. bsu means after that. uh, he studied for 5 years, as he used to study. e, went to work on distribution in the advocacy body. worked there for over 10 years. and then you know something, there is a situation. when well something happened there. i think we need something

change in life. well, he went, uh, went to work as a lawyer. well, here i am in front of you , alexei if it turns out that you are so close to us, to our field of journalism. here 's a journalist's watch when before speaking before an interview. he always worries, it is believed that if you are no longer worried, you come so relaxed, then you can already talk about the unsuitability of a lawyer before his speech before defending his client in court. he worries, worries or a worried lawyer - this is not. fine. not you. you know, you're probably worried. i can tell by myself, yes, and by my colleagues i see they are going through different situations. eh, you know, once there is a person there, maybe for some time you work there you already recognize him, there you recognize his family somewhere from this life with relatives, in general, of course, you worry and sometimes it happens. yes, some cases of your practice were exciting, maybe one thing when you

had to protect a person, the interests of a person, can you imagine, and which feature of ours is absolutely not sympathetic to you professions that we don't have to choose. uh, who to protect we protect everyone. well, this is a state duty - this state guarantees every citizen of our country the right. e to legal aid, including the right to defense. it's not like we're already like, uh, the mechanism for realizing this task of the state, so they ask me too. how can you defend the killer there or something like that, well, it's really difficult, very difficult, you know. psychologically, it's a very big stress. i would be a guy young killed a woman, serious crime. that's what happened. so, i took up this case there, because at first everything somehow seemed different there, and then i come to him in the isolation ward. here i am, well, this is already such a professional experience. here.

i, when they say, well, there are 20-23 years old, right? i look into his eyes, yes. here i have such a feeling, i see that a person is here. well, it's painted there that he's a criminal, yes, but you have to see it. this is what you know if you don't have a professional you won't see any preparation in this, and i communicate with him. i understand that he is talking some nonsense there. yes, that was not the case. i understand that it's different. yes. um, well, and when you testify in court after that. and when they sit in the hall, relatives, daughter, and i imagine how they look at you. and they will not fix you with this. well, yes. well, now, imagine when you go out into the corridor there, and this is it. well, it's very hard. well, not just emotional stress. here's one. so what to do? well work is something that relieves such stress is the simplest. it is necessary to leave the city.

they said to minsk, they say, it means to spend there, at least i have a place there where i can just relax and you have such a place of power where you can reset and sleep and do something else and breathe fresh air aleksey ivanovich is very happy that you came to our studio. we accepted our invitation. we wish you great success. e, in the position of chairman of the belarusian republican collegium of advocates. you at all recently took over this post, so good luck, uh, more clients grateful cases won. and, of course, i would like to. well, if so, we can say that these cases were such, well, more positive, or something, they are not the same as the case that you told us about. eh, at the very end. we are tatyana shcherbina svetlana smolonskaya. we say goodbye to you until the next broadcast. goodbye. goodbye. and now aleksey slags is speaking with us. not easy times now we have a lot of things we are doing. we have big plans and

tasks, but i think, in the sense we will cope with everyone, we have overcome all those problems that we already had, many of them are already in the past with us. i think the future is good and we will work with you in this direction. history in sound and sound in the history of the phonograph gramophone and gramophone very strongly emotionally touches those things, when substituting how

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