and now, damn it, some kind of click was cut out. mom always supports me at the beginning, uh, even here in the art school, when i went for the first time, uh , she supported me, uh, and uh with great search. i mean, go, everything will be fine. uh , i'll help, if anything, my mother is strict, but more often she is kind and sympathetic, if uh feeling, you understand very well from childhood. be there music is some kind of folk motives. let it be some kind of artistic education. this is also consonance anyway in any m-m any culture, somewhere there are certain motives. it is precisely that people of the toy the country in which you were born. and, of course, i have always internally been proud of my country, of my belarus. of course, i wanted

to instill the same thing in my children and the same thing. i want to instill in those, uh, young people who will come here for slutsk belts, i see and would like young people to come here to work with us, even without certain skills, so that they want to work at this enterprise. this person is really in his place, as a leader, we can turn, uh, with everyone questions and we know that they will be resolved comes looks, but morally supports somewhere shows how to do it when you start with sound, and when you get a certain product, and when you put your soul into it, when it's manual labor and the person, in what mood he makes it, he carries it into you when it turns out to be a wonderful product. it is certainly very nice and beautiful. of course, i would like young people to feel this. and when i would go somewhere to another country

to meet, or somewhere our towel our belarusian souvenir belts. he said, here i am belarus and here it is really beautiful and proudly any dream and achievement of some kind of dream. so moving forward is impossible without a certain platform. this is our heritage again, this is what our ancestors left us, if we stand firmly on this platform, we will have free hands, a free head, a free head and a pure heart to achieve certain goals ahead.

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foundations of civil society. and tatyana shcherbina and today our guest is alexey shvakov. hello aleksey ivanovich good afternoon in belarus now there is one lawyer per 5,000 people. yes, if i'm not confusing anything, how do you evaluate these figures? are there enough lawyers in belarus and many? well, if we take the specifics of our work , they evaluate the availability of legal assistance , we appeal from citizens, and so we monitor the situation in terms of appeal, if possible , to satisfy all the requests of our population,

then lawyers. we have enough we have there are some problems. with remote areas, well, we quickly solve them and there are such problems and complaints from the population that we are not able to do it somewhere. we can't provide legal assistance we don't have, so we 're fixing it. well you said that compared to other countries. and you have some other country, which your ideal in terms of the number of lawyers per well should be the population. well, if you just take bare statistics, then, of course, there, well, even in our e in our countries, which we have there when we we are interested in the number of lawyers they have there, well, in the same russian federation there are almost 100,000 lawyers there. here we only now have 700 people there somewhere, so therefore the population, well, they have slightly different rules . we still have more here, uh, the advocacy is organized there in a different way. well , in some other countries. i'm not talking

about european countries there. i now take from us, for example, there are ours here. e partners with whom we work is there, so we were in uzbekistan recently and, er, russia and tajikistan is there. well, they have more, of course, we have recently undergone a reform of the bar, was there an outflow of personnel in connection with this, there were changes in 21 , changes were made to the legislation on the bar, which came into force at the end of the 21st century. and of course, we have such a difficult period. we needed all these lawyers who worked in law offices and individually, as it were, to be transferred to legal consultations, and there was not enough space for everyone. it was just not easy, but now, of course, we have coped with this problem. we have no there is not. and at that moment a significant amount. of course, they are not so critical, but as a rule, they left, e.g. lawyers, who at

one time came to us from the so-called lawyers , and they are, in general. for some reason, they didn’t want to go to legal consultation offices to work in such new conditions. and, of course, there was an outflow of personnel, and in general, of course, over these 2 years we have experienced a significant outflow of personnel. here, i 'll say it again. this has not affected the regime in any way, the tasks we are solving to ensure population of our country legal assistance. it's just that when there was a change in the legislation in the twelfth year, then that's exactly what we had a big increase in. that's due to the arrival of, uh, and the so-called and licensees of lawyers on the farm. well, now, as it were, less, but we keep this issue under control. you can say in percentage terms: the reform was carried out, there was a slight outflow, we will not hide that after the events of the twentieth year, there was also an outflow of a number of lawyers who switched to other

activities, or even left the redistribution countries. here it is in percentage terms. what is the outflow? the figures are more than 2,000 lawyers , 2,100 somewhere at the time of the twenty-first year there, but now we have 1690 - this is a minus. here we have just summed up the results of all the activities we have sprouted. uh, all the territories were brought here in minsk, taking into account the invitation of the ministry of justice , the presidential administration also participated. uh, we have minus 411 people. so for 2 years. that is. well, this is so significant, well, in 2020 we already remember that not all lawyers supported the state, but let's say politics. and here with what it was connected. why do you think? uh, someone decided, knowing the laws. uh, decided that they were allowed to violate them. the twentieth year is such a year to remember. probably all of us that there was an attempt, so to speak , to stabilize the situation in our country, and unfortunately, i will say that i did not bypass

this phenomenon. these are destructive manifestations. they showed up. and in the legal profession among lawyers, but what is the reason for this, you know, we already kind of have the opportunity to pass here? well, let's say, 2 years to analyze these situations. probably you you know, after all, for the most part purposeful work. well, let's say so unfriendly countries there. uh, through social networks , influence here. choose a certain category for the situation. there, according to some other professional signs, work is carried out. among them. yes, these events happened in august of the twentieth year, of course, there were for everyone. well, let's say so unexpectedly, and for us it was unexpectedly not expected that before the lawyers would behave. before this, before these events, but nothing foreshadowed that they would change their shoes abruptly, as we like to say that there will be presidential elections. it has been there since spring. we were doing work. uh,

the legal authorities. they did a lot in this regard, yes. well, we had this system back then. you are here, we are now, as it were, centralized it. we have legal advice here. we can now have the opportunity, so to speak, to influence certain processes that take place in the bar. and here is the environment of lawyers and uh, keep track of these or those negative ones. e manifestations before in advance yes, and then here is the presence of the bureau on their own and legal entities, independently located somewhere there means, individuals carrying out activities, individually . we already had half of them then. probably from the total number of lawyers, that is, of course, it was not possible here. it means to feel what is going on there. come on, that's it, as they say , they took advantage of it, and therefore, probably, that 's the result of freedom was. yes, well, which they gave birth to turned out to be. that's what i think too, yes, they said it all the same. here they really gave me the opportunity to work. good

work. to work independently for them did not interfere in their affairs. only infernal de basically, these events took place here and many succumbed to the influence. you know, there is a destructive work of these social networks. let 's say this is a portrait of a lawyer who changed his shoes in the twentieth year. that is, this is a young man or, let's say, already established in the profession, and i will tell you there is no portrait so clear that it can be said. here they look like this. i just want to say, well, we also say this everywhere, and we discussed this ordering community. of course they have inflicted these people on us such serious damage to our authority. yes, the reputation was a serious damage to zion to our authority. well, the degree, so to speak, of trust in us. it's clear. why from the side there primarily population states. of course, it has fallen so much, so we will feel it, in principle, objectively, i also feel it, so we

are now offering every effort so that we change this situation in relation to us. well. what, after we also change certain over the mistakes, it is done is being carried out, and i will not say that there the man is hiding all these moments ended in the twenty- second year. in our country, lawyers fell under this situation, or they held lawyers accountable for some wrong actions. well, of course, this is not the same, not the same scale. so i think that the results of our work let everyone know, especially since you know when it happened there. well , in the same place many of these all offenses are not latent in nature. yeah well, who knows where someone is out there, uh, what is he doing? yes, those more in social networks, there are all manifestations of some kind , well, now we already, as they say, and interact on these issues more closely. yes, if with the state the level of us will be very information, just now then we did not have information at that time , some lawyers took upon themselves the right

to speak from everything. the belarusian bar of the entire belarusian community to make statements of all kinds, for which they were not authorized, therefore, in fact , they were pressed, and this is the right in this regard as well. they represented no one and nothing interests we also talked about personnel i would like to talk about the influx of personnel, our guests were the chairman of the minsk city colleague of lawyers vera reshka. here's what she said about young cadres. the city board is very interested, of course, in the influx of young personnel. and this is important. this is still a new new life - these are modern people. it is important that there is a problem with young personnel. how are you planning to solve it. yes, there is a problem, i'll tell you too. she somehow formed for us. uh, unexpectedly , when we are here, we would like to appreciate our

because of the personnel situation, then we have a very large percentage of lawyers who have already reached retirement age, so we are already 22 years old. this means that we have intensified work by law schools throughout the country throughout the entire territory. we are actively working. uh, directly with students in student classrooms, we work with administrations in prestige educational institutions and that's the desire to go students to us here is the bar. that's enough for last year. at least it was low. uh, well, many, probably, the reasons for this were influenced by this one. so deep it is necessary to study this whole phenomenon, because, well, if you take it back there, let's say, 5-7 years ago. we had a queue among. uh, with those who want to become lawyers. and we could choose medalists there, you know. this is despite the fact that then it still existed. this is the restriction that how many 3 years should pass there. yes, in my opinion, in the seventeenth year , changes were made to the law on the bar, where

it was necessary 3 years to become a lawyer older than work. he, of course, spoiled the situation for us here, because all these, uh, graduates of law schools, they could not immediately, as we had before, go to work as lawyers initially. we would have trained them here from the legal profession. they just went. here in the other direction and into legal broadcasts. and those who were involved provided legal services. well , now this limitation is lifted. now it's just in the twenty-first year of no restrictions. we have already done a lot of work. here we are starting to work already from the third year from the moment of their career guidance for students. well , at least here, bsu, and we think that here will now be distributed in the spring. well , we hope that this is our work that will bear fruit, which was five years ago, but alekseeva will start, uh, before recording. you

told us that well, not all, but there are some students who study at the faculty of law at law schools, that is, they receive such a prestigious education in everything lawyers. it sounds like a solid egor yes , they themselves are not interested in working in their specialty later, but at the same time, maybe they even take someone’s place at the university while they study the problem is not only faculty of law. we know a lot of those who come only for crusts. especially from our time to the peculiarity of the situation in which we now find ourselves. eh, really. i myself communicate directly with students. here, then you tell them. that's all about our profession, then once. well, it's not visible. here are those eyes. you know that there is no such brilliance in the eyes, that i want to become a lawyer. yes, and you know, we actually have a lot of lawyers. now in the country they train in different universities to be lawyers. for some reason it's not easy to choose. well, you know, i, perhaps, also connect with this to us, as they say, becoming a lawyer

is not quite easy, that is, it is necessary. here , in addition to legal education, it is necessary, uh, to apply for an internship. there, for six months to a year, then you have to pass the judicial examinations of the ministry of justice, which are not easy. very difficult, and in this part very serious. probably, i’ll tell you, i’m not afraid, probably the most serious among those legal professions, because when he passes the exam, the advocacy in the applicant must know all area right. yes, probably. maybe it scares away young people somewhere, on the other hand. see if the person really wants to become a lawyer. he will pass all these tests. and that is, in this case, we really get a person who burns with his work and wants to do it. maybe this is correct , because for some reason we need to recruit people there who then will not know what to do with it in the legal profession. i know many lawyers of young lawyers. here recently from one talked to the girl. here, she

worked there for 5 years as an assistant to a lawyer, then several times there, as she began to teach this exam, yes, and she achieved her goal , it’s clear that this person was striving. and now she will cherish this profession. she will understand that lawyers that's what she will do all her life. what qualities should a lawyer have. well, first of all, as i said, it means to have great theoretical knowledge. it is to be someone cable, it will be a psychologist is to be able to communicate with people. it's to be able listen to people and listen to their problems. e. the questions that he, uh, they come to him is to be an honest, decent, educated person, well, a lawyer - this is a serious profession and uh, the word of a lawyer, it should sound like a city. but we know that a consultation with a lawyer is not a free business, but on your site there is an e on the site

of the republican colleague of lawyers, there is a section for questions and answers, where e is any user. maybe ask a question and, uh, the lawyers answer, and, well, as i understand it, it all happens quite quickly. that's er, in order to be able to find not just a section even on the main page. there is such a column, that is, uh, it immediately catches the eye and it is impossible not to notice. this is very convenient for a simple citizen. it is actually free, legal advice, as far as willing. uh, lawyers do this really free legal advice what you see is. can i ask a question? well, of course, there, uh, well , you will get the answer, so to speak, in some truncated form, because sometimes, well, it's difficult right away to understand that a person wants someone to have some details, a pitfall, well , they themselves will be lawyers in this situation , there is no pressure and influence on them at all from the side, so there are no governing bodies. who has an administrative resource , yes. there's a day to be gracious. no, and

you know. this is just very good, because these are the answers that they give. in the same place, we keep such a rating, to whom everyone turned more and they, as it were, are fixed there on this site and any person who goes there, he immediately sees who is more applied. well, that is, it is again increasing. so to say, the popularity of a lawyer and the demand for him and people see. here, 500 people turned to him there, which means that good lawyers and lawyers are still here for their participation. here in these e-consultations , it is still, so to speak, struggling. that is , such digitalization, it has somewhat simplified your work as lawyers and, in addition , it adds rating to the specialists in the field of advocacy of the advocacy as a whole. here is such a one. uh, counseling is free for our citizens. well, a lawyer too, of course. a lawyer must be in demand. yes, and there is generally some kind of rating of lawyers , there is no official rating, but it can’t be

, probably, eh. well, this is such a profession, you know, creative somewhere. it’s such a one-time thing we have completely, non -repeating people are completely different, so the rating probably exists among people among the population. you know how good it is, there are journalists, there is a rating, you know, because he saw it well. there, the program is a success, there and it's like, probably, but every person has an adult already. yes, there is a dentist of educators, there is word of mouth. yes, yes, because this is a more reliable way, then people, so to speak , trust this information than we post there, some kind of official rating. probably it will be wrong at all. what to look for when choosing a lawyer, that is, how to choose a good lawyer? by what criteria can this be determined? i think that the main rating is like this, if people trust you, if the population trusts you, if people come, and you showed yourself from the best

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project on the air say again, don't be silent and today we have the chairman of the belarusian republican bar association aleksey shvakov aleksey ivanovich sanctions, how did they affect the work of lawyers, if today belarusian lawyers have the opportunity to represent the interests of their e, clients in a foreign court, let's say sanctions , probably, of course, they influenced how they influenced, but from here our country, of course, nothing good. there are no such sanctions, but directly, so that the lawyers here somehow feel. this influence directly. well, i won’t say that, because we basically provide

legal assistance to our population and try to help our people. yes, as far as participation in foreign courts is concerned, but if you mean, there are some european structures, then, of course, this is now impossible for obvious reasons, because the political events that are developing there. they probably exclude i'll tell you. well, on the part of some legal structure there in europe, such an attitude towards us, probably, can be said to be negative. yes, again by political reasons, so you see that every day there are, uh, some events that are completely unrelated. they took nothing on the right by illegality. there they limited took blocked. there from the point of view e legality of international law. how do you assess international law sanctions you know? unfortunately, it is already turning into rules, yes, which sets them there at its own discretion, therefore, of course, if

we take sanctions, as we understand, there must be appropriate competent people there levels, who authorized sanctions, but it's there the security council, it's something like that. yes, here, when on a side or a group of a country, sanctions against, uh, some country, well, in relation to belarus, in this case , against russia are already taking place. well , of course, that's understandable. what well, you even nissan is e desire, so to speak, to eliminate there or an economic competitor. it's almost an economic war is going to affect this. the course of certain events within the country to influence the adoption of political decisions by some political orientation. this is pressure. these sanctions are pressure, it is clear that they are illegal from our point of view. and in general, i think that international law. as you said, it is illegal, because they are accepted, you know, again selectively in relation to someone they are applied in relation to someone they are not applied in the soviet well, yes, we spoke there about these dual approaches.

uh, that's why it's all called it sanctions , in fact, it's an attempt to force another state to submit to its will in turn. we have already concluded that sanctions are not always bad sanctions help and make us work better to develop, and test ones that are put forward. these sanctions against us, they also suffer in turn. well, ordinary people suffer, of course, ukraine takes belarusian cargo for itself. recently. in one of the ports, 172gons of mineral fertilizers were arrested. before that, there were other cases, refrigerator cars, other products, these actions are legal, ukraine already sounds from all sources here. this is, of course , the trouble of a brother, a murderous war is actually what that the authorities of ukraine are now using some kind of sanctions against belarus, as i am not the first. by the way, this was used when relations on the part of belarus were normal. let's just say the sky is closed. that's

when they asked why his sky was closed. we , so to speak, the slavs speak with the same blood in fact. well, the authorities appeared on the occasion of making decisions; they act, probably, under someone's decree, of course, this is the confiscation of the seizure of some property. there on the territory of another state. it's illegal action. but you know it. here is the table of lawlessness, what i want, i do, it's illegal. and this is wrong. this is wrong even in relation to our state. well, even our people. we remember that not only what you just called them. in the same place even earlier, when cars were taken from our citizens, who traveled there and returned, er, to their homeland and hostages were taken there. well, this is wrong, this is not not a state, but some kind of criminals. this is so, but as for uh, frozen russian assets, uh, and their attempts and the west, well, they say in a criminal language to squeeze out appropriate.

yes, from the point of view, again, of the legislation of international law. is this possible? yes know that on what basis on the decision? whom? which court, again, property, e of another state of property, and pluses are confiscated. they are not only there. there, in fact , with the state, there , these are imposed on private individuals. we see that it's nothing when their part, well , actually, someone will touch. yes, but when with a stranger it is not sacred. it's possible, that is, again, these double sta- well, you know, that's all. not everything is in order they recently read here that the swiss authorities are right there, in my opinion, they are just now here with the tenth package of sanctions. there they tried to manage the european union and there they have this serious account, come on, because there they just demand that banks provide, uh, information about russian assets, that is, they open what, in

principle, it generally contradicts banking banking rules, which have been folded up there for centuries, yes, and all countries, of course, agree with this. do they understand what it is? well, that's banditry, right? and what then will be the trust in these banks. other countries are looking at this as well. well, there, with these package of sanctions, another question was that it concerned restrictions on supplies. russian rubber and italy, germany did not agree, and poland for some reason gave the go-ahead, although it is also probably interested in the supply of rubber. and how are you treat human rights activists, that is, a lawyer defends the interests of his e client. yes, a human rights activist, it seems that he also defends rights. is it possible to equate them between them, and again, in the light of recent events, uh, march 3 is expected to be sentenced, uh, by the so-called human rights center spring. uh, here is the public prosecutor for proposed sentences for human rights activists of 42 years for everyone there from 9 to 12:00 to different

participants in your relationship. here are the human rights activists who just appeared, in my opinion, after 1970, when the helsinki treaty was signed. and where did all this suddenly appear , the police and, accordingly, the human rights activist began to appear, as far as i remember, all these historical events are there? yes, there were accepted human rights, well, there is a peeper, something human rights was. well, these are about the defenders, they really appeared in the soviet union and built their activities. here's how to protect human rights. yes, we remember all this, there is the name of these human rights activists. they are known to someone older. that's why, well, you know human rights activists. well, he has questions. yes especially now, when we again understand that all this is not simple and that there is still the influence of external forces, someone's hand is everywhere. she looks furry. it's not always visible there. maybe, but she is, yes, who conducts all these trials

of lawyers as a human rights activist, in no way can be compared. we act within the law, we comply with the laws of the state. and in this line of action, human rights activists are all these organizations, who even established them on such a basis, who gave them the right to speak at all? yes, to come out to defend human rights, they many without higher education. without a legal education, they have different professions there. well, they decided, but i will be a human rights activist. yes, i will protect the rights. well, you know what a peculiarity here is to take more soviet human rights activists. if you remember, yes, they all opposed their country. yes , nowhere did they say there that something was in the interests of their own country. their whole position was criticism, criticism, criticism against the country, and in the end , unfortunately, here is the ninety-first year, this is the one, including the influence of these human rights organizations, which then, by the way, booming. uh, go uh, and the country fell apart. yes , that's a plus. this, again, is also a blow

to the reputation of the legal community, because so many people perceive all these figures, and as lawyers, people who know the laws, uh, who can be counted on more than once. after the twentieth year, i spoke and heard clear data that people turned to these human rights centers for help. and if it didn't concern how they called the policy for the military, then no one even took on the protection of man. that is, if it's just there, let's say, somewhere a disabled person went to jail. and he needs some help. no one even took on these cases. that's the whole price of their human rights day. well, it's actually peaceful. you know, i will say right away that they have nothing, firstly, to do with the legal community, these are people who pursue, as everyone else already understands, political goals. well, the most important question. yes, that's what they do one more thing. who finances all this? yes, it turns out who orders music, from where all these human rights organizations take money. and

how do we already kind of know, yes, alexey ivanovich, but nevertheless, the president wrote the law on the foundations of civil society. what do you think in the twentieth year? well, before the twentieth year, many brains were so reflashed, what now? we need to explain the foundations of civil society and enshrine them in law. that's important laws are good that we drew. this is what civil society is focusing on. this is a very thing. this is an important aspect of the existence of the state and peoples in general. well, you know how they are formed, what views are in civil society among the people, so to speak, this is how the country develops. uh, as you said, yes, they reflashed the brains of many, because this is the influence of current technologies, these social networks telegram channels, of course, they have collapsed on modern society, including civil society. yes here uh try there if you don't have enough knowledge of education preparation to at. finally, figure it out.

what is there, true, or something, not true, therefore the formation of civil society. here he laws are important. well, he gives there to say the basics, so to speak, guiding the movement. for us, this is the interaction between society and the state . civil society. this is the formation of the belarusian nation of the belarusian people in general and, uh, the formation of a citizen. we need to give society now. this is the law - this is the beginning of a lot of work a lot of attention. it is necessary , so to speak, from childhood to instill people in our tradition, in our culture, so that they feel proud of their country, so that they understand that our country is the best, that our people hardworking good, yes, that if necessary , each member of civil society should stand up for their country. and this also needs to be nurtured. it seems to me that these are the things that you are talking about, which should be brought up from a young age. they, well, from here must go from the heart.

well, you see, you can’t write everything in the law, all these things that i said, how to lead, how to educate this is what is called, you need to take this child or you and me by the hand, yes, and do this, because the formation civil society - it's not that the law has now been adopted and everything will be different with us. it has already been formed somewhere. we understand, what are the views, what are the traditions, firstly, where will we go. where will our people take what values ​​in general, but they have already accepted these values, and we say that we now want to live like this. well, you see, we still get thrown there from time to time, then this one is from another and we must e work out from our people and, as they say , we see the inoculation of immunity from these here on these values ​​alien to us example of ukraine yes, when over the past 30 years, but completely turned away from russia, yes. they turned to the other side and again reflashed. eh, the consciousness of people has already grown a whole generation that does not remember how we lived together in three fraternal countries. well, there and plus the rest, too, and absolutely other values. that's right, you say

reflashed. so you know, when i'm already there, we look, when they take it down. there they are monuments to our soldiers in their place of our soldiers. all ukrainians are buried there. yes, and who were together. and in general this one some things, for example, when the monument to vatutin was demolished, and just a monument. it's on the grave.

he remembers nothing at all. how many ukrainians were killed, there are 8 million ukrainians in babi yar, if i'm not mistaken, they died during the great patriotic war, this is where they lie in these graves. the saddest thing, as the political scientist said. vladimir elkhimov was our guest. so we talked about 30 years, and he said that it would take at least another 30 years for a new generation of ukrainians to grow up, who are already well in uh, so that they return to channel in the bosom, the slavic family. well, here it is. well, i think, yes, of course, it’s a mistake that these western prices are values, they thought that these are their values ​​and never ukraine, uh, the ukrainian people are slavic people, well, they won’t live at these prices, let’s get back to lawyering, and at the end of 2022,

an ethics commission was established. who entered it and , uh, how in general, it will work so that it functions correctly from each other and the lawyers also abide by the law and act within the rules of professional ethics that we have means that there may be some control bodies, which are precisely advocacy not from outside. there are some external state bodies there. it's clear. and that's exactly when the lawyers themselves can. well, at least keep track of certain processes that are going on, uh, lawyer, this is a commission, not that there are only some checks there on the activities of lawyers. this is just an analysis of an analysis, that or a situation where the processes of communication with lawyers that take place in the bar in this commission. she's just starts working with us. it's the first time, so it's been created. well, i think that this year we tried this activity, this monitoring. and this commission included representatives of all regions of all

territorial boards, the most, so to speak, respected lawyers of this responsibility, and we will work in this direction with this in belarus are developing. professional development standard for lawyers. please, tell us about this in more detail, you also know one of the main areas of our work. this ensuring the availability of legal assistance for the population, including financial accessibility. and most importantly, our work. that's what we talked about is judged by its quality. well, how the lawyers perceived it, how he worked out doing his job , and so the population and the states relate to this, therefore, raising the professional level and the quality of knowledge. this is for us. here is the primary task of legal assistance lawyer assistance in our country is available to any citizen. we have a very large category of makes, which legal assistance, which is provided free of charge, is indicated in the category of cases in the law

on the bar, in addition to all this, we regularly conduct free consultations free promotions are directed. we have dozens of such actions there last year, so uh man any person who wants to get legal help. even one that is somewhere limited by e material means. he will get it. the lawyer , as we set the task, must improve his knowledge constantly, constantly, regularly, and education must be continuous, because that we have a very significant legislation and is constantly changing live themselves. know about it. yes, it is to study and be aware, well, you need to constantly improve your level, first of all, of course, self-education, but the standards that we say are those, even the minimum that lawyers must master during the year, they must pass and train courses to speak in to the press with scientific articles,

so that they are on top, so that there is no shame, as they say, in this part , the teachers have appropriate ones can teach practitioners. in our country, you know , in our bar, in fact, the bar there right now i'm afraid to make a mistake, but there are about 20 uh lawyers who teach and have a ph.d. well , well, well, this is one thing. and we attract. we are currently cooperating with our colleagues from other departments in this area of ​​advanced training. we have very close cooperation with the belarusian chamber of notaries. we do co- education. we have now in that another year means close relations began with the investigative committee. they have an institute for advanced studies. there's very now uh, close cooperation is already two groups of lawyers. we even learned from them there at their base, but we are doing a common thing, so it’s good. here we will be in this regard from completely working with

us, uh, work with universities is constantly going on with legal contacts with all. now we have a retraining institute. at the belarusian state university we attract expert institutions to the e-experts. well, here's to learning to learn again to learn in their own strength. we don't have enough there. we hope that we will develop this activity seriously. and now we 're going to take a short break. after a short pause , we will return to this studio again, while subscribe to our telegram channel. that's what it 's called. say don't be silent. leave your comments. offer us guests we are in touch, and look for all our episodes on the belarus 1 youtube channel and on the website of the belteleradiocompany. on the air say it again, don't be silent. our guest is the chairman of the belarusian republican bar association aleksey shvakov aleksey ivanovich

what is the secret of a lawyer's success? what is the number of cases won? well , it is generally accepted that if a lawyer has won a lot of cases, then he is successful. and if he lost it, uh, won and lost, then, then, well, so-so. well, the lawyer's success, you know, i guess, let's just say it starts. eh, with his training, one must have great knowledge, legislation, judicial investigative practice there, and so on. you will have success. well, this is already an external form, when a lawyer has a high level of training and knowledge and practical work, and he skillfully applies this knowledge in practice in court. uh, with legal entities working with citizens, then, of course, this is as an indicator of work. this is especially true in civil cases. this is of course how we

lawyers say a case won. yes, of course , this is important for a lawyer, because it speaks of his level, people see it and appreciate it, these are people. well, again, in connection with this question. if the lawyer sees that the case is not promising, but, as it were, if we deal with it, then we can earn money, but he knows that he will not win this case. this affect his reputation. yes, that is, everything seems to be interconnected. but a question. is he obligated to notify, uh, the client of his principal that the case cannot be won? you know, yes, of course, we have this expressly provided for in the rules of professional ethics that lawyers have. first of all , it is guided precisely by the society that if the lawyer sees what to do without perspective there is no legal basis in the claims there or the position of the clients. he, of course, must tell this client, and if he is already sure that this is generally the case, well has no prospect and will not lead to anything, then, in principle, he can even

refuse to participate in such a case, only in this case he can refuse. well, a whole list of cases. here are these here, when lawyers can refuse to participate in the case, as a rule, the lawyer. they do not have the right to refuse if he is approached by a client or as far as there are criminal visions. well, if he is already, as we say , by the appointment of the authorities conducting the criminal process, participates in a criminal case, or an agreement, then he does not has the right to refuse to provide legal assistance, except in the cases that i have said, specified in the rules of the professional. well, that's where they said it, and the lawyers are somehow interested, in fact. if there he used to participate there as a judge of experts. the prosecutor, if there is a lawyer on the other side, is his relative, if the relative is there his judge, if the lawyer. oh, by the way, there is still such

a reason when a lawyer understands that the level of his knowledge or training there is not enough to initiate such a case. he too, how should you tell the customer to look for it, i'm sorry i'm not ready to help you. well, there were also cases nearby in your practice when you refused some cases , there is always a preliminary discussion with the person who turned to you about this or that situation. and probably it was not in my practice such an official refusal, as it were, that i participated, and then i refuse, but when you find out certain circumstances, you understand that, probably, when talking with the same clients, well, he explains the person that i'm after or for other reasons it is better to say so e to contact another lawyer. well, that is, because a person can more than a horseshoe well, i’ll say frankly that i’m not really a specialist there in labor matters there or marriage and family there, yes, therefore, well,

when i worked more now, i don’t have time. unfortunately, this profession is so tightly engaged in its more in criminal cases. yes? uh-huh and another topic. i would like to touch upon, and mediation is the procedure of mediation, if we have a staff of mediators in belarus, uh, is this procedure in demand in society and are our legal system ready we have here, which 174 mediators have evidence of a mediator lawyers, i mean lawyers who are ready to engage in mediation, well, mediation. you know, probably, the entire system itself must be somehow prepared from all sides for this behavior of this mediation. well, as for marital family relations, mediations are moving there and there are good ones, so to speak. results and lawyers are involved and people are happy and and everything goes on as usual. so to speak. well, as for the mediation of the criminal process, such there is also we then there, of course, the results.

at least, i don’t really hear it, because, well , i’m saying it again for many, many reasons, here it’s important that people understand this so to speak, and the authorities also, as it were, delve into this process, tell how you yourself became a lawyer. let's tell this story to our viewers. well, i already said that my path was not so direct, so let’s say it turned out that at first i entered the military school , studied there. well so, then, as i just explained, i sit, look at this book of the incoming wu. directory yes, even under soviet power. so, as he also said, for some reason my first glance fell on the faculty of journalism, but the second glance, on the second something stopped

on the next sheet. i'm looking at the law school. well, i entered law school. bsu means after that. uh, he studied for 5 years, as he used to study, and he went to work on distribution to the bodies of the bar. worked there for over 10 years. and then you know something, there is a situation. when well something is there happened. i think you need to change something in your life. well, he went, uh, went to work as a lawyer. well, here i am in front of you , alexei if it turns out that you are so close to us, to our field of journalism. here 's a journalist's watch when before speaking before an interview. he always worries, it is believed that if you are no longer worried, you come so relaxed, then you can already talk about the unsuitability of a lawyer before his speech before defending his own, and a client in court. he worries or

worried lawyers - that's not to eat. okay, you're probably worried. i can tell by myself, yes, and by my colleagues i see they are going through different situations. eh, you know, once there with a person who has already been working there for some time , you already find out that you are closer to him and his family somewhere from this life with relatives, in general, of course, you worry and sometimes it happens. yes , some cases of your practice were exciting, maybe some one thing when you had to defend a person , represent the interests of a person, but who you will absolutely not prettier. especially from our profession that we don't have to clean it up. uh, who to protect we protect everyone. well, it's a government duty. this state guarantees every citizen of our country the right to legal assistance, including the right to defense. it's not us anymore as the mechanisms for realizing this task of the state.