[000:00:00;00] he is the dean of the faculty of journalism of the belarusian state university and today i would like to talk, of course, firstly, about the problems of training modern journalists, but about who they should become and how we can achieve this. well, on the other hand , the soul of a historian and political scientist does not can ignore topics related to the preservation of historical memory, e.g. from the current political situation. and, of course, what worries everyone will our land be peaceful popova

and tatyana shcherbina good afternoon. hello hello alexey viktorovich well, the first question is to congratulate or sympathize with you in connection with your new appointment as a fabric of the faculty, everyone reacts differently, that is, i have not yet been your dean. eh, everything, all organs. we saw each other, it seems like a little time has passed. yes, but somehow life is now developing in our fast society. uh, somehow quite uh, at a cosmic pace, therefore, yes, positions change. well , i think that we people do not change, this is the main thing we remain. yeah well, i think you can probably congratulate. e with what they gave me an opportunity like, uh, to head a faculty that is actually legendary, so of course, i think any normal person who is somehow in the journalistic environment, of course, he would probably be happy that he was entrusted

with such. such an important, such an interesting faculty, on the other hand. of course , you can sympathize, because the work of modern journalists is very much more and more responsible, but also those who train them. uh, respectively, they also take on a large share of this responsibility, once you work e mediasde. i do not consider myself a professional journalist. i consider myself so, uh, not not. to some extent, even self-taught, i guess. although the basic philological education is unconditional, it helps to put letters into words to write some texts. on the other hand, basic historical education and long studies in political sciences make it possible to put some meaning into these words. i hope that for those who read the texts that periodically appear in various media

who are listening to the speech. i think they are usefully spend time consume the information that i'm trying now alexei viktorovich is reading you know, as soon as you were appointed immediately by our opponents. the eternals have dubbed you a body character. that is, they are not even familiar with your publications. well, something else is interesting. have you considered or not? or is it such a proposal, from which one cannot think for as long as 15 minutes. well, although i was given the opportunity to think, as they say to sleep with this thought to think until the next day, but somehow i have recently started to make decisions very quickly, because uh, well, there's this obvious thing where two plus two adds up to four very quickly. well, that's why yes, i'm really well aware that the faculty is extremely difficult, that all journalists, firstly,

are creative people. secondly, i know the teaching environment. doesn't matter. what kind of journalistic mathematical physical history teacher of higher educational institutions, complex people are all very ambitious everyone has their own ideas about this life. moreover, for example, teachers are used to teaching others. and, of course, it is very very difficult for them to perceive when someone tries to teach them something unconditionally. this is all understood. there is such a moment that when a person is invited. e in one place of work from another, it is perceived often. as some sort of stranger alien, it is not clear that in relation to him there will always be some kind of careless attitude. at least the first time. that is. i'm all the risks, all these things, as a political scientist, i perfectly analyzed them, i understand them perfectly, and even a lot of this all

went much faster. here it is just the process was like this. and why do i need it, we here and here, as it were, you know, you ended up in turkey. i significantly reduced the time to get to work by 30 minutes, so this moment also certainly played. here, well , actually, of course, uh, if we put aside the jokes, then, well, this is a very uh responsible assignment. eh, but at the same time it’s very interesting, i always tried to look for a job according to my interests, because to sit and , for example, as a teacher and teach there for 10-20 years one course of some kind, when you yourself are already so used to it, that you don't have to read no more books. eh, when you, in general, stop in development, because supposedly

you have known everything about this too. in fact, such a very erroneous point of view is very dangerous. but sometimes people get used to it. yes, all the time, being in one environment in one place. that is why there is such a psychological law that once a person is about 4-5 years old, it is necessary to change the field of activity. uh, well, a little bit even earlier, so when you have new tasks, when you e there is a need for yourself, it means something new. you open the world for yourself. so far i've come across the world of journalism. eh, just exactly as an author, writing, as a participant in various kinds of television programs, as a participant in some kind of radio show. now i have such a great opportunity to look at the training of professionals in journalism from a teaching point of view. and here is a very significant difference, when you

decide for yourself that you want to tell the world yes, and when it lies to you the responsibility that you must prepare to release a large number of specialists, as they say for the needs of our economy in its various industries, and what a difficult site you got and your very first fight with the political scientist vadim elfimov in the editors club testifies. let's see what says that we have no criticism of the state. the media we have are dealing with these issues and broadcasting the truth on television and various kinds. there's a revealing hour. just like that, just smearing problems, which exist the question is that the task in this case, by identifying a flaw to try, because it was eliminated, and not to shout oh, here, here on the road, there are pits. let's take the whole state to hell and build new ones with good roads. this position is absolutely not constructive, so here i consider the task.

as if the position of objectivism, yes, of course, it sounds good, beautiful, but this may be a trap, because here you are that you gave an example. yes there, supposedly objective independent mass media actually. i was told for the state exam. yes direction, therefore objectivity. eh, this is, of course, very good, but i can safely assure you that today the information struggle is going on and the journalist is colliding with ideology. he cannot be outside this struggle, he cannot be an outside observer, so every journalist has to, sooner or later. and it’s better to choose a certain position early and defend it as a state one. of course, this would be constructive and good. so anyway objectivity. or, so to speak, the ideological sharpening should be the first guideline for a journalist. well, vladimir alekseevich, of course, is an experienced journalist himself, a practitioner. e, as a leading writer as a journalist, but also he taught for many years at the faculty of journalism, therefore, he

also knows better from a teacher. points of view, but in our actual words and here and supposedly picks, there is no big contradiction. e when i spoke about objectivism. i meant that, after all, a journalist carries responsibility, he makes a mold of his time for posterity, leaving here his reports, his e, his newspaper notes. uh, some uh tv appearances. well, and preferably, depending on the genres of your photographs, leaving all the same a piece of the real life that we have now and according to it, according to this cast, then the future generations will evaluate us, they will judge our life, so here the journalists . still, there is a task. in my opinion. it is to try to give a mold of this life, as close as possible to reality, but no one says that a journalist should not have a position a journalist looks for topics a journalist looks for some problems. yes

, the journalist looks at this reality. from a perspective that other ordinary people would not even think of looking at her. from a perspective that he was told in the editorial office, this is also unconditional. but we must understand the specifics of the work. what is he talking about? in this case, it is necessary, of course, for the journalist to choose the right edition. we understand the beauty of what, of course, journalism is today. in fact, this serious most powerful weapon in the conditions. eh, that's this information society and a journalist today. er, well, there are different types of journalism. yes, here is a journalist , a public activist, a journalist of a socio-political orientation, of course, this is a person who will say unpleasant things to many, will say them harshly, but this is precisely what he will attract to himself as a journalist. there is the work of expert analysts who sit.

well, they weigh all the pros and cons, who say, this is good. this is a bad job for a journalist, of course, a little different from him should be clear he has to say. here we are going there, i agree, because for a long time we were taught at the same journalism faculty that objectivity is a stringent situation, and so on , this can be scientific work, but journalism is still of some degree. this is a public activity. it is in order to attract the attention of journalists that require certain actions. here's one that works in the public field. he must shock unconditionally. this is the style of behavior, the style of saying, the style of clothing, who can, yes, of course, the highest levels of journalism, this is when you strike a person with the depth of your thought, when you make him look at things. here with his eyes, with which he himself cannot

see yours to read. inhabitant and your, so to speak, vis-a-visa, you make him look at some familiar, perhaps, things for him from a completely unusual angle and not just make you, but make you believe that your version of reality is more truthful and more interesting. this, of course, is the pinnacle of journalistic skill. let's return to the question of ideology. how are you think, but it is needed in general today. in general, adhering to nekrasov's lines. e, therefore, you can not be a citizen ; a journalist is obliged to be a citizen twice that in triplets, therefore, of course, e, we cannot say that a journalist is just an idiot. eh, this is just a conductor of a particular ideology. eh, in the sense that journalists are creative people. he may have his own visions, but as they said before, there is a general line

of the party within the framework of which one can fluctuate, but here's one that can't be deviated from. so, when we are now talking about, uh, some kind of ideological foundations. uh, we owe everyone. uh, to be fair to warn that we are talking about socio-political journalism, you can be a good literary critic. and you can be wonderful there, like a singer of animals and tell nosological topics there or show them, no politics when you shoot. there is some cute family of monkeys driving around. there, by nature, you collect photographs of moose. this is one thing, but when it comes to journalism of the socio-political plan, when it comes to the fact that a person voices and conveys some thoughts regarding such a cardinal development of society in the economy in politics. they see in front of them they themselves have built some kind of picture of the world for themselves, and it is not

contradictory in their head. then he will be able to convey this non-contradictory picture of the world and i hear to my listeners that teachers and students, as a new leader, may not be afraid of you, because you are quite such an open person, yes, i will run in every possible way and cut down on the preach to the left. eh what does it mean to be afraid and i see my mission not in coming to break one of the oldest faculties, which for many decades, as they say faithfully served belarusian journalism, my task - i see it. so do not be offended by teachers who have been working for many years at the faculty, but that 's just what they work. there for many years, perhaps, plays a cruel joke. today man from outside. perhaps, with a fresh, unblurred look, we can evaluate those achievements that already exist, and, of course, the problems. here in

particular. i see my task in that first of all, to clean up and bring into line with the trends of the times the very content part of the training of young journalists, because already from what i see in a short time at the faculty, i see that there is, uh, a certain bias. eh, in the direction of some philological skills. eh, that's for sure. it is very important, as i said , the ability to put letters into words in a sentence , the ability to use different styles. there is less general to submit your idea, beautifully competently. it's all great, but it has to be thought, in order to submit something. e form, uh, in accordance with the content. here i met. so for now, uh, in such a very general form with the material and technical base. i will say that this is how a person has never been a supporter, who has never been before.

i was very pleased with these journalism consoles, i was impressed by what the faculty has. uh, there really are technical means to train a specialist, there is a photo studio, a radio studio, and the necessary computers. that is this moment this moment is beautiful of my will talk. i don't want to say. no i don't want to say that they have no content. but uh, you need to see, after all, what disciplines you would have there. well, for this i still need to deeply familiarize myself with the training programs, but i certainly understand that yes, the discipline of the socio-political plan. perhaps my experience as a lecturer in political science. uh, well, it will allow you to develop some yes, even maybe author's courses, but a modern journalist who writes on economic topics, but

he has no right not to know. living basics economics, a journalist writing on socio-political topics cannot but know the political science of the state structure. and not just there the political science that was read to him within one semester was read to him, there 10-12 lectures were held 10-12 classes a journalist must understand, that is, he must thoroughly understand the issues of the structure of modern states of modern complex social systems. a journalist should a little more than, uh, some physicist , mathematician, uh, understand, uh, the structure of organs state power opportunities for them e, actions in different directions in different areas. now it is necessary, uh, into our lives, uh, by leaps and bounds and artificial intelligence. for example, a gps chat is able to generate any ideology based on

the texts that you put in it. ask for your forecast on how neural networks and their development can affect future journalism. well you know, of course uh, everyone is afraid, in today's technology. they were always afraid of them, once they were playing and breaking cars, they believed that they would take away them earnings. once upon a time , the ancient scribes of books were even very distrustful of printing. and even more than that i will say. i gangutenberg my own first book after the invention of the printing press and this technology. he tried them in a special way, but how to fake them as handwritten, that is, this font, gutenberg's first, he imitated the handwritten font. why because everyone perfectly understood a handwritten book - it's expensive? and if this technology is mass-produced, it's cheap, of course, no one wants to lose their income. that's

what as for modern technologies, including the development of neural networks, of course. uh, we're not going anywhere with her. this is a very big help today, and in entire, uh , industries, uh, and industrial and public life sectors, the neural network is already being used, but it seems to me naive to think that they will replace a person. after all, that's when, again, i have a wealth of teaching experience. i worked for a long time. time is also very interesting, a very respected by me university belarusian national technical universities where i had to deal with tech students, as they are called completely different people than there, uh, journalism students, as i already understand, these are other people than, there students are historians , philologists, political scientists in the humanities in general, ah, but uh, doing humanities with them,

i always tried. to sew that technology is only the external design of a person’s life, a person is still basic. okay neural networks. they will write. they will write better than the authors. yes, but who will they do it for? who will read them? why is it necessary? because when we talk about journalism , there is certainly an important message about journalism. she responds to these needs of the day. she reacts to problems and not just like that, but so that these problems are then solved and so that life, just an ordinary person , becomes better and easier, but uh, a neural network can write anything. but to read herself will be offended by herself. eh, will this be of any use to us as human beings? here is the big question definitely from a point of view. today, after all , work with these large arrays

of information, here. there's a tube of technology dates. eh, this is the most important layer of our life. it makes our life very easy when we say that it makes life easier for a person. we assume that a significant part of the work people may not need to do. so, they have free time, what they will spend on. here is the question. we must ask ourselves not to be afraid of these networks, but speak well. they allow us to simplify our lives. uh, they release on mass free time. what did we spend it on, what does it mean the students spent it recently they baked pancakes and treated the newly-baked dc , pancake, and potato pancakes and a beautiful vereshchak hope that you enjoy working with creative journalists. in general , i myself, if i have already spoken and read all these references written about me. already, by the way

it is written to itself has created some idea. yes, he created a biography, which then scattered across many sites. well, i'll tell the truth. i didn't lie. yes, but i grew up in a really creative environment, because the faculty of philology, which i graduated from vitebsk state university. it was a very such hmm very creative place for a little while. we have a telegram channel. say don't be silent. subscribe ask questions and suggest guests we are in touch. on the air say it again, don't be silent. and today our guest is the dean of the faculty of journalism of the belarusian state university aleksey belyaev aleksey viktorovich well, the learned educators, as it turned out, you also unconditionally believe in the power of education. yes, that's what you said that, i also belong to this mountain, but

nonetheless. you say that education is necessary and good. uh, and behold, many say that with the help of knowledge education. you can build some kind of uh, beautiful society, then. explain like a historian. uh, how did an educated german, but managed to instill, uh, the ideas of nazism in just a few years, and in such a way that they then even took a direct part in the genocide, including belarusians. well, as a historian of the night from afar, but in fact, uh, if we take the problem. vania enlightenment, indeed, in the history of europe, for example, there was a period that is called the age of enlightenment, and now, just this period was famous for the fact that science and scientific knowledge were erected on some kind of almost divine pedestal, that is, it was believed that science could to replace everything with itself since those

times, by the way, in the 17-18 centuries, two such mythologemes have come down to us, uh, in the european public consciousness. uh, two such bright personalities, yes, two such bright images that everyone certainly knows, but people know one, probably more intellectually developed, and the other is known to everyone, including young people. i'm talking about two scientific myths about these scientists, which are reflected in the literature. then in art , the first doctor faust is a man who, uh, when the devil tries to seduce him, yes, in fact, it turns out that the devil cannot offer anything to the fausts, aus. maybe all this itself was just the quintessence of that idea of ​​​​the science of what higher power faust can make gold for himself and with mercury the faust of an artificial human homunculus in a test tube grow, that is, the creator of the scientist is equal to god well, they caught it. here there on the love of a woman, as

always. yes, it ruined him, but this is such a beautiful high story, and young people know more about the other name frankinstein, also dr. frankenstein, who created the living from the dead , it again became at the level of god, yes, that is, he collected the remains of human bodies there, the legend that these both appeared in xvii century in germany , they almost simultaneously germany was one of the centers of science education. enlightenment in europe etc german universities. yes, something that's just what was famous? yes, we are smoothly approaching those same germans. who understand, and then these highly educated people who have created the most beautiful science without german philosophy would not have had modern philosophy. uh, as goethe says, this is a reflection of such

an artistic german philosophy, and there is, uh, the rational thought of the shield comrades. such as kant, such as hegel , without whom modern philosophy probably would not have taken place. i don't take. now there are ancient greeks and so on, but here is the basis of dialectical philosophy. e hegel we are a school in soviet times and, er, this is a wonderful cultural heritage, which is philosophy, a science that makes you think. yes, philosophy is science. in general, about everything , science, which allows you to comprehensively understand the world, put together all these here are scattered into pieces of the mosaic, and yes. people brought up on goethe, brought up on kant , found gels there on fichte. and god knows, and hegel , yes, they suddenly give birth. this monster is a monster of fascism, a monster, nazism is born. this is logic, strict rationality

without a soul, yes, strict rationality without a soul. here is faust from whom the devil took the soul. here we get the same. how do you see. see, in general. the legend of frankenstein, and his frankenstein monster, it was supposed to make you think. why are you investing? here in these dead pieces of the bodies of life, what do you want? this is the same as later our brilliant compatriot russian writer. e mikhail bulgakov, with a dog's heart, said through the lips of a professor of transfiguration. feminine that i can certainly make of human dogs. well, why if any russian woman gives birth to the same, yes, that is, you understand the meaning of eternal struggles?

yes, all these attempts, e with the creator, to turn there to become at least one level or rise above it, yes, the misfortune of humanity, humanity sometimes burrows, as they say, yes, and goes somewhere in a deep flight, which then leads to how to shirakami, yes, the deepest fall. we are so eager for the sun we forget. eh why? yes, it appears that, uh, you understand how, it turns out, it turns out that yes, this here, uh, excessive rationalism, and sometimes multiplied by the idea of ​​​​some kind of own exclusivity, yes. multiplied by a certain snobbery, i am so smart all of myself, and you are nobody there, and then i taught you and the same germans. yes, they told us how many years they taught us, we created a state for you. this is famous in history, the norman theory of the origin of russia that supposedly the scandinavians came, in fact these germans, led by rurik, and these stupid,

incompetent slavs took control and taught all of them created a state for them. i mean, it's all historical. in fact , the role of the scandinavian has long been refuted, the only question is that we were offered sources written by these german authors there, miller, who was one of the first to write the history of the russian state. they were proposed , their author's point of view was suggested through and through. here is this snobbery. further. everything was like a snowball growing, so, of course, uh, how smart cultured people are. uh create such monsters such monsters. eh, soul, moral responsibility. uh, some kind of ethical component. here it should lie in many respects inside. no, this is an exclusively scientific-rational approach to the world. that's what we say

our ideology is practically, akin to religion. yes, uh, religion, ideology - this is something that is not focused on a walkie-talkie, it's a feeling, and we should still, first of all, when we talk about society, understand that relations within society. yes, it is not regulated by laws. especially in today's society, but the laws grow up. from what from a sense of justice from a feeling that, here is something that is not subject to rational analysis, because justice is at the heart of all laws. what is justice? our subjective idea is actually about how any law should be, because it is based, uh, the basic position on what we want to achieve. that is precisely this justice. therefore, if you have lost a sense of justice, you have lost, in general, the sensory perception of the world is emotionally

based, including on empathy for others. yes, to the idea that i can be in the place of another person. if you lose it, then you will follow the letter, not the spirit, and as a result, you understand, and you have long, by the way, been proposing to call collaborators the clear and familiar word traitors, but let's listen to your colleague, doctor of historical sciences natalya golubev anna was recently with us studios. here's what he says. larisa genusha the first days of the war are already bombing minsk, blood is shed, brest is in the blood, the great poet larisa geiner is collecting pears to support the impenetrable german army and the red roof of the german army signed and pears

and the ocean brought on the underbelly of the belarusian. i want to emphasize the army not only for peaceful ones, but to emphasize and on the territory of occupied belarus they received, and not occupational little stamps, but the flight of the stamp , moreover, in mine, by the way, you can give in the newspaper, but an example, but hmm rations, which they received, and every day, in addition to sausages, cereals and so on, there is always coffee in hungry minsk . yes, nowhere. get rid of the fact that these people do not need. here we abstract, yes from them so say positions from just the people who every day walked around minsk around the city. and where the gallows were not empty. well, first of all, uh, according or not? there is an opportunity to discuss with a colleague, now at least in absentia, and, secondly, it may really be a matter of terminology. why are there historians in your writings? i mean, this

memory of collaborators lives on about what was happening in minsk in the years, firstly, well, the very word collaborationism. where did it come from, that is, collaborators. uh, they began to call people in france, that is, the collaboration of cooperation. yes, collaboration is such a buzzword now . i do not like him. exactly, firstly, because you can eat, there is a russian analogue of absolutely calmly applied cooperation. here, and in this case, well , french collaborators began to be called laboratorists in french, that is, those who collaborated with the germans. this is, uh, the government of marshal pitten, who sat in vichy, the vichy government , which essentially signed the surrender of france and which embarked on the path of direct cooperation. helped by the germans organized the life of its citizens, the work of factories, which then supplied equipment to the eastern front and collected for the germans. here

the harvest is by or the germans in fine french wine. well, then they had a negative connotation in france, but for the french , the word collaborator, of course, yes, collaborating. eh, for a long time after the war we did not have any of these philological delights. we have written good serious books. that's about the people who collaborated with the nazis, and he was such. the red book of the belarusian researcher romanovsky, uh, it was called in belarusian saudelniki no collaborators. and everything is clear, clear and understandable, then already in the nineties they began to impose this narrative on us gradually, replacing the word traitor. uh, accomplice bandit criminal, yes , it definitely was. eh, whole again. uh,

a special operation to infiltrate through various western funds. e into our historical science of certain visions. yes, certain approaches. they tried to tell us that, well, historical science. it must be objective, uh, the term collaborators in the west is a bad negative. come on, but you will approach western science, but for us it is for our citizens. this term is just from the fact that you call a person a traitor about a criminal or a completed collaborator. really changes a lot of attitudes change. and, uh, collaborationism, as a scientific term. yes, it is used, i used it when i was working on my dissertation, yes, which makes a person think differently about language it is a way of thinking. yes, a way of understanding reality, therefore, i am always a big opponent of using any foreign words, if we have our

own, these are not analogues, but our own words, which reflect the essence of the phenomenon. and when we just give up the form, being replaced by another more beautiful, more aesthetic one , we give up the essence. it's just that in history, for example, there are such plots that are very difficult to shackle and which are very difficult, in fact, to hide this is the history of the great a qualitative history of the atrocities that were committed on our land by the german nazis and their henchmen. these collaborators are traitors, uh, this story that we see is very difficult to hide. although our ukrainian neighbors they left, but their stories. they have forgotten these horrors. they forgot eriha. koch, who was a guileiter there, all i ukraine, they forgot how bandera killed

their own ukrainians just because they did not want to live in this bandera nationalist paradise, when all this, uh, the story began. yes, we have already discussed. this with you somehow one of the transmissions that this, of course, was imposed step by step gradually. and those who were at the head of ukraine , either consciously or out of misunderstanding, did not make any attempts. stop it at some point. it all crossed a dangerous line and began to grow as an active opposition to these attempts, even those of our opponents , to rewrite history. well, first of all, uh, i want to tell our opponent right away and everyone else. eh, no matter how history is rewritten, but all the same, the historical reality will come out. well, look, here are the ukrainians fighting bolshevism. with uh, this right-wing decommunization with monuments and so on behave in exactly the same way as the bolsheviks, the bolsheviks, did. they wanted to erase all

the historical memory of the period of tsarism ; they destroyed monuments to tsars; they destroyed books. here are the temples, yes, some historical buildings. uh, did they manage to rewrite? no, it didn't work anyway, uh, all those bits of knowledge. it all came out anyway. here is beautiful. there is a moment, uh, connected with the spasskaya tower of the kremlin. that is, the bolsheviks also hung a star on it, and there, as they say, everything was cleaned in in the end, in the end, anyway, by the access gate, it turned out that this icon was preserved, which was well hidden by someone with a net , hung with plaster, smeared over, allegedly, then they fought with religion. yes, they destroyed them now after many years they opened it and it turned out that this icon was preserved there true. history, real history, she never forgets. there are people, and here are historians, who

bit by bit collect this information, which, of course, face huge problems. today, for example, we need to write my history. e even recent years. yes, now it will be necessary to overcome the boundaries of permission to receive. even for example, the belarusian history of russia, but now that's what the majority is. yes , this is a rupture of human ties, if only poland and we just have human ties to a lesser extent, but what has happened? ukraine, what have the baltic states done? i want to say, lithuania yes, an insignificant part of our historical heritage is stored in lithuania only because the grand duchy of lithuania once received the name of the first lithuanian and then the true russian zhimois. yes, the archives are on, our historical events are described there. this is the metric of the grand duchy of lithuania was given to vilnius to lithuania today, belarusian researchers

are cut off from the opportunity to study their historical heritage thanks to. here are the boundaries of the ban and everything else , the understanding that, well, how would the policy of the scientific community be in general, the scientific community should communicate. we have such an understanding, but they do not. and try to get it again off topic. our polish friends love us a lot. talk about how the red army destroyed the poles. what are the bad soldiers of the red army? what are the good soldiers of the home army? try to get access to the polish archives in order to study, for example, the situation with the red army soldiers who were captured after this famous one. uh, the soviet-polish war of 1919-21. the poles are completely trying to cut off our opportunities to study how they muzzled and killed our

soldiers, it turned out to be a question. e about historical memory. uh, scientific responsibility community scientists are people too. they also live in their own states. they also perform to some extent. eh, we are the orders of our countries, when we talk about objective history, yes, then all the same, each nation writes history from its own point of view, each. roth looks at history through the prism of his state and his interests, but again, there are objective things, there are events that happened, what happened there in 1385 in the current belarusian cream, a strong union was concluded and was interpreted. this event. can differently. but we are now coming to such moments when they don’t even try to interpret history and try to rewrite it, they just try to prohibit it, just delete it and not give

the opportunity to find out about any fact. after all, you can relate differently, er, to the leaders of the communist movement, but the monuments that the streets were erected to them, which were named after them, make us turn to these people again. remember, that is , this story, as soon as we remove the symbol from space. yes, we are closing this symbolic space. that's how uh simple a man who is filmed by historical studios all the time, how can he try to make sense of what happened, he still needs a reminder to help your optimism. you said that communism will come through, but historical memory is still returning, if someone cannot return their historical memory, he dies, like a people for the time being. let's uh, let's take a break. after a short pause, we will return to this studio as a basis, while subscribe to our telegram channel. say, don't be silent, and look for all our releases on the youtube channel, belarus

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there's something like she was, but our ear was not there was water and the rays were such a blaze, it was a crumb, what was sometimes not visible. she was the wind of the children for half a year about how terrible fascism is and what destruction and suffering it brings to the world in the project of genocide without the right to life, watch on belarus 24 tv channel. about people who, in spite of everything, go towards their goals. i do a lot of consulting for clients. i have a lot of people who want to lose weight, i am not a supporter of diets, because in each of them i will find a lot of pluses and a lot of minuses. i teach at a culinary school-studio. ah. well

it's still probably more of an option for those who just want to learn how to cook. i hope that soon, perhaps at school, we will open how some courses are already more advanced training of our thieves, they do what their heart tells them, the main function from the dictionary is to come up with dishes to train staff and watch, so as not to the technology was violated and the return of the dish was the same as for invented, and i realized that i absolutely do not know on ours did not use. it's very embarrassing. and when i started to study. here are the first steps. i realized that it is very interesting. watch belarusians in the project on our tv channel on the air say again , don't be silent, and in our studio , alexey belyaev, dean of the faculty of journalism of belarusian state university, alexey viktorovich, we will probably have time to ask you

only one question at the end of the day last time. i remember they tortured me a lot, when, when the day and hour, when their own will stop, but now it’s already clear to everyone that this is all for a long time and seriously, but i would like to ask you a question, see covid. the twentieth year, then uh, what's next, judging by your question. yes you if you want to lead us to the fact that some more apocalypse is waiting for us, yes, that is, it is logical to assume that a special military operation will be followed by nuclear bombardments of each other and the world will plunge into the eternal nuclear land. this question is also terrible, it turns out that they have become very active now. yes, i saw a map where all reports of the appearance of aliens are marked. so, on the map of the united states , there is no living place, that is, all americans see them directly, they ask. then why are aliens so attracted to the usa? you see. well, or they are watching them very much, or are they manipulating them? yes

, the next thing is that the world order has already collapsed, which was established after the second world war. and we are waiting for reformatting, by the way, what our president openly spoke about in his recent communication with foreign belarusian journalists . eh, the old ties have been lost and, accordingly , some new principles of the new international community should be created and a new hierarchy should be created. a new system where everyone will be its place is indicated. and here we understand that this is a military activity that is taking place now on the southern borders of belarus in neighboring territories. uh, all that uh straight , here, uh, such perseverance that the western

world is trying to defend its elusive right to be the world hegemon and the only pillar and support of international relations, of course. all this is very sad. that is , here the conflict is clearly expressed, which should end. the victory of one of the parties is only a question of whose, that is. if this is the victory of the west, then it turns out that they will finish this world is final, because they have already, for 500 years, established their colonial system to part with, which they absolutely did not want to, when they could not, purely politically and physically keep subjugations of countries very far from themselves. they created a savings system. subordination created this global world, where everything rests on the economic center of the united states on the dollar, as a world currency on some standards and some

international law, which is again dictated by washington well, if today, god forbid, they win again, then this is the end of everything, but they will not win, they will not lead. only because, if only for one reason, that hmm for the victory of the military-technical confrontation. today they do not have enough strength to eat. eh, today. the most important thing was that they were once afraid of mine and always didn’t scold me very much and they said that i’m so bad that humanity invented atomic weapons here i am , for example, for myself and my views, yes , i revised it, if there were no nuclear weapons, today there would be more more chaos catastrophe nuclear weapons continue to be deterrent factor and i think. that all the same, the remnants of reason are preserved on all sides, and in conditions where no one can win, uh, or victory will be the result from zero sum, when everyone dies, sooner or later

you will have to agree. now the question is about what e offset, for example, the same ukraine ukrainians. uh, it's just that the parties designate for themselves the conditions for negotiations. and it's sad that the ukrainians allowed themselves to be dragged into this bloody mess to make themselves even fiat money. yes well do transform yourself. just here in some material with which they play there cubes that are shifted do not need to be thrown away. it's terrible, but we understand that in fact e shifts will eventually end. it will end and, uh , some new world order will be established, there are a lot of people here who are stretching their little hands to shift these cubes. yes, and they will decide among themselves, but, unfortunately, those who are now shouting, we are here to protect all of

humanity. we're fighting the aggressor here. we are your only hope here. give everything to us, and they will remain in complete oblivion. they will then rake. here are these terrifying blockages and deal with their problems. let's really hope that they still have enough strength and means, because as usual after such games. well, the bloody ones themselves account for the countries that fell into these, remember what happened to our republic. after the end of world war ii, we were recovering, we reached the level of 1913, in my opinion, we reached. yes, in the mid fifties. well, i'm exaggerating, but in fact we had to, we had to to rebuild their country. here is to restore all these huge destruction. from scratch, if not for help, again, there are the same other soviet republics that suffered to a lesser

extent. it’s not the same machines that were partially exported from germany, e.g., in the form of reparation of equipment, then it’s also unknown what would happen to the republics, belarus, but here we are again returning to what we discussed in the previous part. still, our historical memory has been preserved at the level of the people at the level our political power and our leader and the fact that, for example, alexander grigoryevich was often poked at the beginning of a special military operation, even there in 2014, when all the events began after this coup d'etat in ukraine when they said to alexander yuryevich well, something like doing, why are you friends with them, they are bad , but we saw that the policy was actually aimed at not dragging us into the new war, so as not to take at least one careless step, behind which you would fall then you will not get out of this abyss.

let you better sweat it, let it be better to tear your clothes there, scratch yourself, but you are walking along this thin edge. you saved yourself your life, if you fall there, clean beautiful, yes, then nothing will help you. there are lines that should not be crossed. thank you very much for today's conversation. i hope not the last one stayed with you, but as always, we managed to discuss only a small part. good luck with your new post. and may you really be able to benefit our favorite faculty, journalism we thief. shcherbina victoria popova say goodbye to you today, goodbye. goodbye. and now aleksey belyaev is speaking, i would like to wish us all peace, i would like to wish us all to save. robust. i would like to wish all of us to be kinder to each other, if we

just can in the year of peace and creation, which is now taking place in our country. and, firstly, uh, learn to live in peace with each other, then we will succeed and create something

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