[000:00:25;00] hello this is the club of editors for belarus 1 and belarus 24, as always, we are on fridays with a repeat of sundays discussing the most important topics, the outgoing week on what happened in the country on the continent as a whole on the planet and according to tradition. at the very beginning of the program, i will always introduce the guests who came to our studio today at 600 m. on makarenko, according to our good tradition, nine thermal editors were the first to represent the editors and managers of the holding from belarus today dmitry alexandrovich zhukan sergeevich markov, general director of cjsc

second national tv channel electromanov chairman belaya rus andrey deputy of parliament chairman of the commission on international affairs and minister of information of the republic of belarus vladimir pevtsov. good evening. thank you very much for coming. and, by the way, we will still have uh members of the editors' club today. we're trying to try to get in touch with two very interesting experts. one from the baltic countries, the other from the united states of america is very interesting. guest, so don't switch. stay with us in literally 15 minutes, uh, we'll call usa although it's early in the morning. well, nothing let's wake up a man. so, the main topic of the president's visit to china is the state visit - this is the highest form in the deprotocol, 13, if i 'm not mistaken, the meetings of the belarusian leader with the chairman of the prc and the top leadership of the country took place. and here is the video you see on your screens. well, the details speak volumes, firstly, how the head of our

state was met. uh, what conditions were created for the work of a chic motorcade led by long motorcyclists, blocked by the street and beijing you see the anthem flags. honor guard company. artillery salute of twenty-one volleys. uh in china just the way it is. you are generally in general politics just like that, uh, nothing happens. well, if we talk about this specific part, yes, i can immediately say that here my impression here is a little more than the protocol, more than more without any doubt, that is, some signals have been given. yes, these are not even signals, these are the attitudes of the chinese leadership towards the belarusian leader. why because clearly over the years purely human relations have been built, clearly achieved a very high level of trust and the second point is the reaction to belarus, relatively speaking, more than, say, the scale of the belarusian economy, but it seems to me that this also has a deep meaning for the chinese. after all, they remember

their history well. they remember her colonial policy, which was carried out. yes, they got into it. due to this, they carried out industrialization, but they understand that the west has always imposed unequal conditions for interaction. and when they collide with our approach. we are a country that uh builds partnerships we say let us give you, but we also want to take. it should be on a mutually beneficial basis, we call them sincere. at least, though, it 's true, yes it's sincere, but it's also equal, and when the east is the east - it's important to feel respect. and when they get them, that's something for themselves and the opportunity to develop some segment of their technology. yes, even more so, when they can rely on their partner as an ally, when they see a single system of values, please tell me, what then are not stupid people americans counting on,

who say, listen, take a step aside contact beijing will receive. they truly, naively, believe that they are adopted by beijingers. or i think the situation has gone much. further they realize that in this global economy the western segments are western and chinese. segments they can't survive, someone will have to give in. someone must be destroyed takes, so this is a controversy. i think that they say this more not for china, but for their allies. yes , to show how significant they are and there are supposedly no other options, but there are options, and china is probably the most such. i would say promising, and i will add that the years of decades of impunity, they were in vain for the american elite, and they lost their sense of reality to a certain extent, sincerely it will turn out that one word changes reality. and the time when their words changed reality at such a time, it really was

, it must be admitted, it is gone. and now, uh, it looks very often just ridiculous when the american diplomats are not of the highest level. uh, demands from the zempina. suppose making some decisions. i am not sure that even them will be heard, that his assistants will bring these demands to him. i’ll probably start with the media component of this visit, there weren’t so many publications mentioning our president for a long time, this is both the eastern and western media, of course, the interpretations are completely different, here’s a small ally of russia , why he didn’t talk about russia with the president of russia, but no less everyone calls the president the president everyone noticed this visit everyone understands its importance. in addition, smart people understand the difference between western policy to which we are more accustomed. it is such a policy of performances that they shared it and buffaloes, where there is a lot of performance

, begins their election campaigns, ending with some sort of sorties that have nothing under them at all, it is not clear what is being done for. well, we understand, probably for some kind of rating for the popularity index and so on, then there are no unnecessary movements or unnecessary statements to china. i 've been to china i know how. pay attention to details, it happens that sometimes a high western delegation and a ladder to the plane are not they will give, which is also a signal denoting some accents in this geopolitical game, but there is an attitude towards our president, except for the status of the relationship of our states and the friendly relationship between the president of xi and alexander grigorievich. it is worth adding that the relationship and the meeting was at the highest level. uh, westerners were brought in here. media uh olaf scholz's recent visit to germany it's not comparable at all.

although the state on the scale of the economy. they are incomparable there by some other parameters, but this is the position of china - this china's demonstrative position towards a country that constantly adheres to its friendly position towards greater china and for our opponents who are always trying to make fun of the people's republic of china, its economy and position in the world is, of course, a rising hegemon, with this no one argues, neither friends nor enemies. everything that is happening in the world right now. this is probably a set of actions, sometimes ridiculous sometimes cruel, in order to prevent this hegemony from taking place in order to stop this dynamic the progressive growth of china, and for opponents , another figure is the population of china - this is the united states and europe taken together, multiplied by two about the economy it's not worth talking about. if you compare in dollars, then this is not entirely correct, because many things in china are much

cheaper. what is actually the success and failure of, uh, western currencies, because it is cheaper to produce there. there are lower wages. there is a cheaper taxi and life itself. therefore, if in comparable prices, then the chinese have long won the competition between the american economy and the chinese economy they just scream, they won't talk about it now. uh-huh but in addition, this visit was characterized by specific agreements for fairly large sums of almost 4 billion 3.7 billion dollars. this is a continuation of the already existing serious projects between china and belarus of chinese investment agreements with the largest companies of the fav corporation on construction. here, the automobile plant is in dire need of our market in cars. and thank god, there lived, which in our country captured the palm is the most ranetki russia is the best-selling car and skeptics and reptics we have already understood

that this is a decent quality car. and soon this redistribution of the market. and now they will leave these stereotypes, but this alliance of the submissive so-called 25%, e of the planet's population, which they call the majority, who look into their mouths. uh, the united states of america and all to your own detriment. unfortunately, he will lose. unfortunately for us , among other things, because we traded profitably with them, we had convenient logistics, convenient communications and normal fruitful interaction is not, but it seems to me that not all of those who are silent. i mean, the strange ones look out the gate. many simply do not want to get involved, what is called? uh, because recently i saw, uh, a statement by some brazilian, in my opinion, leaders of brazil, regarding the vote in the un security council. they asked not to pay attention to the voting results and said that the russian federation, in general, does not pay much attention to how it would have voted everyone knows the hint that we think about it.

wait. excuse me. there is a man standing there with a notepad of america, representatives of the american permanent mission, and he writes down who voted how and we don't know for sure, but there are behind-the-scenes preparatory negotiations. with each country starting small islands the right to vote to the big states that he had a conversation with some serious european politicians i can say, be twitchy, you will have problems 75% who, so to speak, do not support sanctions against belarus russia is very layered cake. there are those who frankly giggle and rejoice when the americans, losing the collective west , do not succeed. there are those who are waiting. there are those who profitably trade in the name of their first and foremost economic geopolitical interests, but what do you know? the alliance of the west is the majority of this, the americans have also rolled out a list of sanctions against. here is such a list of countries

that, according to their versions, help russia enter belarus and sanctions. here are the countries here this list can be taken. that's exactly who rejoices that in relations with sanctions on this, apparently, they make great money, there are moments for which this needs to be learned, that is, when there is a vote on key issues, it will be special g20 let's say or uh, the conference does not matter, and why not a man with a notepad from russia from china why don't they pay attention to it, right? eh, there are very serious relationships with any countries and interests and often compromises, which are made, including by the great powers. yes, not only because the united states but me i would like to draw attention to two points. that's it for this visit. remember how xingping started his speech. yes, he immediately outlined the level of personal relationships. friendship friendship between the leaders, but he emphasized this moment literally immediately and the second moment, which also drew attention, because only six months had passed.

after samarkand was announced a new level of relations between the countries. yes, all weather. uh, all-round strategic partnership is only half a year. and already at this meeting after only six months. i emphasized, because it is possible to build a bridge between other countries, including. uh, sindipin said that this is a new form of relationship, the new status of relationships, it requires specific content with programs that will be implemented between the two countries. this is the moment, really. it may not have been very noticeable, but we immediately remember the 28 integration programs that we have been following for 20 years, by and large, and here in six months. it's already being talked about. i'm sure the chinese they won't be that long strain. in any case, they will fill this moment. and this is extremely beneficial and important for us. but there is one more point that needs to

be emphasized. pay attention to the 12 points of the plan, which china designated yes, in the same place what is it about yes of the peace plan, what is it about, they are permissible attacks on nuclear power plants yes, they are the inadmissibility of unilateral sanctions, pressure of political use and further and the like 12 points now the question belarus can sign under each item of this plan without problems certainly. yes, definitely and now ask the same question to baidin or schultz, along with ursula, they will subscribe and you will get absolutely concrete. that's what this plan was russia they will immediately get the answer to your question. why are they close to china and belarus, and why a lot of contradictions have arisen between the usa and china, and even the red carpet in front of our president makes them so excited that they will preventively fight color revolutions. this is also a joint statement. this is how the us can

support such statements if they initiated color revolutions in the dozens, if i may and i want to draw attention to a very interesting thesis that we have already approached, the thing is that it seems to me that the collective west is the leadership of, let's say , the collective west. yes, they have largely failed with their concept. exclusive capitalism, they have set a course for the collapse of the whole world, their task now is to create as many regional conflicts as possible all over the planet, in order to look like a more or less stable territory against this background and turn the united states from an aggressor into the cannibal fails to bring down the russian economy, uh, to live on the resources that are pulled out of western europe is the cannibalism of pure water. uh, so that's the only force that is systematically opposed today. uh, this chaos, which

is moving from there. this is, in fact, the sco and china and this system of values ​​is one smart person. e, said that now it is not even ideologies that are in conflict in the world, but systems of value. china is, in fact, the pillar and hope of the whole world for stabilization. and in this context, i perfectly understand these two thirds of small states that are simply afraid to oppose the position of the united states because they may be the next victim, and precisely in connection with the color revolutions, including uh-huh well, the americans get energized or somehow often happens to them. everything matters, including the visit of the president of belarus to china, which they recently recognized. here you have seen the headlines everywhere the president has no questions. well, it's a sin to hide the disappointment of our whites. i want to reveal a secret to you dialogue is still there at some

levels. and it's just that he's often not in public. uh, reuters is publishing washington is seeking the support of its closest allies on the issue of possibly imposing sanctions on china over this story about china possibly uh, supplying weapons to the russian federation well, about cnn's visit china rolled out the red carpet for a key ally, uh, putin, they write in the new york times. uh, adds the us fears that lukashenka's visit to china will strengthen ties between russia's closest allies , president lukashenko's trip to the middle kingdom, is a sign of even greater tension in american-chinese relations. after all, belarus is the closest ally of russia, you see, they are always projecting onto russia that they say we are fulfilling some orders of vladimir vladimirovich putin and protecting their interests. although this is the thirteenth visit, that every time we defend putin’s interests, you know, global times paid a lot of attention to this and started talking about disrespect for the united states of america by such a state as belarus. we

also noticed writes the publication that some western. the media still views this visit through a biased lens, describing belarus as a small ally of russia, such a view shows disrespect for belarus that is not only extremely narrow-minded, but also reflects the insincerity and hypocrisy of western political towards the world, belarus russia ukraine known as the three slavic brothers, having the same historical roots, minus has repeatedly played the role of an intermediary between moscow and kiev , lukashenka's state visit is a clear a signal to the world that china is developing bilateral relations with its partners based on common interests. we will never bypass this or that country just because the us or other countries do not like it. west, look at these western ones. here are the newspapers, there are well-known publications , all that you cited here, they fundamentally destroy the ideology of the isolation of belarus and references to putin, because we are talking about the isolation of russia, which is what they would like to do. yes, it doesn’t work,

thanks to china, and this moment is very important he not only makes it clear. let's just say to europeans and americans that there is no such thing as isolation. this is what they themselves played attention against themselves, and i will return to what marat sergeevich spoke about, he is absolutely right, everything that our opponents need to know, who talk about the isolation of our country and our economy. this is a quote from the chairman. we've been friends for over a year now. we have a strong, unbreakable friendship. and these two people who are depicted here in this photo are different from western politicians. the most important trait. they make a decision. they trends follow. you can read a detailed report on the visa, i must say a small remark, in general, i liked what is highlighted , they consider belarus a small country,

so we are not worthy of respect. yes, but sometimes a country may be eight times larger, but there will be no red carpet in front of the leader, no handshakes and the question is not in a small country, the question is in the leader, which determines the status of this country, if it were so small and not important side here they didn’t try five times, here is one more consideration. this is very important, the thing is that switching attention to the fact that belarus allegedly represents the interests of russia or a small country. it's just a distraction . why are they trying to distract from the model of interaction that we propose, which is fundamentally different from those models that the west has been imposing for decades and which, in principle, can become the basis for the interaction of a new , multipolar world. and this is the most important danger. e for this collective. i

i would also like to add that i noticed that we sometimes, perhaps , simplify the situation a little when we say a collective smell, we assume that this is some kind of prayer, but even the media shows that there are other points of view. moreover, quite influential publications and this instills in me personally, well, such cautious optimism that in the medium term it is possible to shift political cents and the political line, especially if this is supported by the failures of american diplomacy of the economy on the external frontier and on the contrary, the successes of russia, china, belarus in the activities that they are conducting will inevitably come to a necessity. and the restructuring of relations and the first swallows. i really hope so, because even the american media , albeit with restraint, but condemn the policy that the american establishment is implementing. yes, yes, sanctions are far from a secret that we were invested there from all sides against the russians, as far as i know thousands. uh, the sanctions are already in place. uh, they're probably all wrong. e with

a score, but this is, of course, a score, if carefully look at the documents signed. well, first of all, a free trade zone. we know that the great stone will be implemented medical research projects in belarus will increase the supply of viburnum suspicions in china e, belarus expects in the twenty-third year to almost double to increase the volume and supply of food in china, one of one of the important export items. uh, the participation of the chinese side in the construction of the third phase of bnbk. we know, uh, npk, products are also needed, because there are also at least the chinese with this no problem. well the white electrician increased china's exports four times and will continue to increase. well, in general, yes. uh, pay attention signed an agreement on a single industrial policy. this is what i'll tell you will block all our trading operations. why we are building a division of labor with china for belarus , i don’t know, i don’t know for 10 years working on decades of creating joint ventures.

yes and that would be great nbk, fits. and this is in areas with high, added value and at the forefront of the very technical progress of biotechnology. e microelectronics robotics so i think it's very good here about the general policy. in the field of ensuring global security, the president of belarus spoke, let 's listen, today's meeting is taking place at a very difficult time. requiring new non-standard approaches to responsible political decisions, they should be aimed primarily at preventing a slide into a global confrontation in which there will be no winners . they declared they appealed to the world community therefore, the belarusian is actively coming out with a proposal for peace, he whole body supports the initiative put forward by you, he is international

security. well, there are fears that china's initiative will remain china's initiative, we heard that the west, in general, has a so-so attitude towards what it proposed unconditionally, because it is an initiative. uh, the west cannot support if they would maintain their dominant positions, would dictate their will to the whole world. as it has already been said here. e that it has already become a myth, yes, then, perhaps they would have come out with such proposals, but in fact they have changed and they will not support, it is important that a real set of measures of real steps has appeared that can stop the war and lead humanity on a safe path of development. that's how friends. yes, you need to find out we got through on the phone, the united states of america and a fairly well-known person is in touch with us. in our area former us marine corps intelligence officer

scotter uh, scott good morning. i'm sorry that we got you out of bed so early, but we are very wanted to talk to you. to be honest, we have some problem getting comments from the united states of america. we are from our dictatorial country. yes, all the time inviting to our broadcasts, reading what they write about belarus, uh, a variety of people , representatives of the united states of america , journalists, politicians, we write in the washionton post, they run away from us, everything is fine with you, with freedom of speech in the us democracy. this is an evolving process. we are still developing, so to speak, please. we have now discussed the president of belarus visit to china and we saw, maybe we are mistaken enough nervous reaction. e of washington despite the fact that there, belarusian-chinese relations were naturally discussed. there are concrete results, but uh the western press is projecting this trip as uh. it is almost putin's assignment from the united states that the rapprochement between russia and china looks like a catastrophe, why such a reaction? i believe this is one of

the biggest countries in the united states that hmm china and russia are forming i this could lead to a trans eurasian union united states hegemony and which will leave relations in eurasia to a new level and the united states will not be able to do anything with this president lukashenko's trip to china as part of the interaction between russia and china as putin's initiative to bring russia closer to china

some big geopolitical tasks are being solved. krat with evil, or is this also a geopolitical showdown; nothing here has anything to do with democracy in this ukraine . this is just an attempt by the united states to maintain its hegemony with the help of nato and an attempt to limit russia's opportunities in the world, please from the united states of america e. whether the nazi basis of the ukrainian ideology of the ukrainian state is visible or the american media is silent about this fact, what we see here is that a special military operation in the united states discussed the issue of the nazi

origin of this ideology in ukraine. however , now that the operation has begun, this issue is simply ignored. to stop the conflict on your mind. sometimes the best way to finish something is to see it through and right now the best way is, for russia to win, and here are the words of a military man of a reasonable person, first of all. and what should, please, tell me, it should happen so that the us government, uh, still begins to take into account the interests of other countries in other regions, or is this impossible? basically, what moods in the american litas are yours what needs to be done. it must be recognized that russia is a sovereign and influential state and take into account, er, the opinion and position of russia, what the united states is not

doing now and our people do not want to explain. they understand less and less. uh, what's going on around because you know about the situation that was going on. in belarus in 2020 , there were clashes with the police, they built barricades, used cocktails and molotovs were hit by police cars, as a result , sanctions were imposed on us, and our president was called a dictator. after some time. ashley baby enters the capitol and is shot at point-blank range, making it harder for people to understand what's going on. why what kind of double standards we should not discuss this in in terms of democracy, democracy is what grows within, grows out of the state, and at the moment, democracy is just a code word that america uses to enforce its interests in the world. please tell me the last question is hard to understand, but the mood of american society regarding the war from cnn and even fox news reports, uh, how the american people are set,

because now what is happening in the world , american people in general are peace-loving people, and they do not want war. but now americans are being made afraid of russia being afraid no explanation. this is an irrational fear. this is the only thing that needs to be done is to explain to the americans that it is possible and necessary to conduct a dialogue with russia. thank you very much scott for agreeing to take part in our program , the opinion of experts from the united states of america is very important to us. whatever the opinion, therefore, thank you very much. well, such a conversation took place, we are talking about the fact that there is no democracy. a well- known expert admits that the united

states of america is fighting for the remnants of its hygiene the point is that this discourse about the fact that democracy is e in all western countries. no, it is already very clearly spelled out. e. a large number of academic publications e professors e, western universities from oxford to cambridge, they even introduced a new term post democracy, this is a special two-loop system, when on the outer loop political parties are political leaders who declare something, and on the inner loop sponsors of these political parties, so no political structure in the west can operate without a serious budget, but a budget. she receives only if she fulfills the order. from what financial corporate structures here is a process hidden from the public,

how is it determined what they do? how are they doing? well, our guest, in general, bluntly said about this, well, wonderful news is coming. uh, this week they are about double standards in georgia or to adopt a democratic law on foreign agents, they did not invent anything, they took the same as in the united states of america, they simply rewrote it, as their teachers and idols from washington e, as they say, they didn’t bother much, and then the us ambassador to georgia began, kepli e, degman, you are talking about the united states against the law on georgia’s foreign agent even if it is translated word for word from american law, the head of the press service, the state department, you don’t know the price funny person. he tries to save all the time. yes united states of america at press conferences. we are aware of this bill seriously concerned about its impact on freedom of speech and democracy in georgia said he we believe that such a law could potentially, to undermine georgia's euro-atlantic integration price added that he proposed the georgian

social movement the power of the people a bill to silence and dependent voices of the citizens of georgia but it's just like a slap in the face. like like this, that is, we have. right you limit, they assigned themselves the status of a hegemon, which can do everything. and as soon as russia and china, as a result of political changes in economic changes, their own claims to a certain role in the world appeared. because when the soviet union collapsed when gorbachev surrendered all the positions that the soviet union could only have yes, when the soviet union ceased to have a strong bloc, with which an economic bloc with a military bloc. yes , after that they felt that it was possible and that the whole world belongs to them. only to them, respectively, what was allowed on her peter yes, they will not be allowed, simply. well, and other

options. let's say straight out that everyone was not allowed to claps. but can i still return to the words of e, our guests, right? such let's say the united states we say in the usa it's not quite right. the point is that the people of the united states have nothing to do with this, another question. let it not be heard , the problem lies in the fact that somewhere else from the end of the 20th century. well, more precisely, even since the eighties, the united states of america has been controlled by a cluster of transnational corporations that are not national in nature, and which absolutely do not care about the interests of ordinary americans, and hence , by the way, this one arises, including e, s and this desire to dominate and dictate they dictate terms to everyone. this is for ordinary

americans. they act. this is georgian. they consider themselves the highest morality, even if they commit crimes, it is supposedly for the good that we have the right to do. this is the manifestation of such a policy. i also heard a lot. a good version of one of the americans during one of the talk shows to us on the russian channel, when we reproach the americans for the fact that they apply the law in two ways, so to speak. uh, with regards to the united states of america, belarus, they explained that the americans have such a strategy them such a tradition. uh, everything that concerns the law concerns the citizens of the united states of america , their subjects. everything that concerns, for example, belarus, the law. eh, so to speak, it doesn’t really work here. here they begin to work to change one point, i emphasize. uh, just an example of confirming your words, the latest situation with an environmental disaster in the region. yes , what is it about, uh, quite a lot is now paying attention to this, when 100 billion is given to ukraine for the war, but this money would save the situation in this state. and when biden says no

you have no money. you are not very interesting to us , because of this it is now, uh, hmm, it is already developing another about 100 billion dollars. mood - these are the medical problems of people who 100 billion could close exactly 50%, and this is already concerning many americans, a problematic issue of medicine. it’s very expensive and inaccessible there. even with insurance, you have to pay extra from your own wallet, and when money is spent on a country that is not even officially recognized as a strategic ally of the united states, which, of course, is not is one of the states of the united states of america and huge money goes there , ordinary americans have questions. actually. why why is life getting worse? why such money goes somewhere to us, but whether these protest moods will turn into some kind of political ones, and the actions of

the elected senators of the president of the vice president are a big question, because. as you said these people are elected thanks to the budgets of transnational corporations and are controlled just by the same clans and what you said about georgia there, in other countries, e, which are considered, so to speak , friendly to the united states, because on the one hand, it seems to be a theater of the absurd, when what is possible for one is impossible for another. this concerns not only uh, but this implementation of the bill with direct copy-paste translation from american into georgian. this applies to the work of many, many areas, including our sphere of journalism, i know by my own example i have been in i don’t know how it is now. it was probably six years in the european parliament. first story, second story. the history of our seemingly petty journalists worked at the match of the english football championship. there, too, at the end of the approaches to the press, so here it is in the european parliament. they said that at the briefing you can’t ask questions

that are not agreed in advance, you can present a question they will tell you who you can ask, but even at football. he comes up to you and asks what you want to ask, and he says you can ask such a question or not. i just imagined that if we had this, but let 's move on to another topic, a very high-profile topic. we have, moreover, one of the guests is in touch. i will soon i will introduce. you know that a propaganda action was organized in europe on the wrecked russian tanks put up in some cities in the capitals of berlin, vilnius and riga , as a result of this, these wrecked tanks turned into monuments they brought them. uh, flowers had some uh skirmishes. uh, in general, as it seems to me, uh, there was a complete failure, we will definitely discuss this. let's first invite to our conversation. uh, the guest is the editor of the balt news portal andrey starikov andrey hello, hear us. good afternoon. thank you very much for agreeing to participate in the program. and we here discussed literally only the beginning of five words. they said, i made such an idea expressed that e propaganda action

turned into a complete failure. uh, you see better and are more deeply immersed in everything. it was a complete failure, and those who planned such an action about the expense of ukrainian propagandists, the miscalculation of those who oversaw the company in the west, and the roots of this miscalculated bees, they got lost in their own historical mythologies, they got lost in their concept of the soviet occupation. they got lost in the anti-russian nerfs, so they broke away from the reality of the kidney, and we saw that the layman is a citizen of that people, he is in a completely different supposedly anti-russian installation. they replaced those monuments that the balts destroyed. uh, it was especially significant in estonia, where

the tank monument was dismantled in backgammon a few months ago. here is an anti-russian, supposedly installation. replaced it, replaced it the place where the flowers were carried , it became the object of a platform for political disputes of discussions, therefore their anti-russian action failed and we can observe from the same estonia cited as an example how the municipalities refused to further prolongation - this is the action they said, there is no need to carry this allegedly knocked out russian tank to us in narva in other cities, because we saw on the example of tallinn riga vilnius we saw a special sign and mass in germany that it works with signs? minus it works against us in the anti-russian until the training does not believe people want the end of the conflict. people don't believe in this western the situation that more weapons means an early

victory for ukraine, which means there is no end to the war, people understand that this is an escalation. please tell me well can you admit. that we are, maybe in a specific e- closed information environment, but nonetheless over the past few years. we are closely following what is happening in the baltics to us, it seems, i think that all uh, those present here will agree, but definitively. it seems to me that the baltic authorities fell into nazism. just what we read chills the blood. is it like this or no, right here in the region. in latvia , estonia, lithuania, the most filthy anti-russian anti-belarusian practices are being rolled back and tools are beginning to rewrite the history of that very nazi ideology, uh, which was passed over, which was experimented, and in ukraine, uh. these are, of course, anti-legal instruments. now those assets that were seized, that are stuck in the accounts. and if estonia

manages to do that, well, relatively not as vile as it really looks, then uh, they will also be held with russian zolo. the so-called developed democracies with belarusian assets, which they also intend to steal, will already become reserves with russian assets. uh, that's why it's a historical laboratory, and an anti-legal language laboratory, that's why the baltics are really a testing ground, a laboratory, and everything that we don't like is being tested here. what are we up against? yes, andrey , allow me the last question. uh. we see that the officials of the baltic states are saying about belarus that there is a terrible dictatorship here. better here. don't go walking around here commissars along the street with rifles. uh , the state of bears is on a leash and they arrest everyone who walks along the streets of belarusian cities and towns, but that’s not all i get the feeling that just, uh, everything is the other way around. uh,

what's going on. for example, in latvian society, how ordinary people relate to this behavior of the authorities. here pranksters were recently played by the chairmen. e actually , zegemantos is an attorney for foreign affairs of the lithuanian parliament, and he said during the prank, what is the product of the hds, and they tell him, what policy should be pursued, how in our opinion. it's impossible for us. it's just a shame, shameful behavior on the verge. with a betrayal of national interests, as people treat it in the baltic countries, regarding the myths about belarus, you yourself wonderfully disavowed them open borders. eh, having launched a visa-free regime for e residents of latvia for lithuanians, the last figures that i remember are more than half a million people. who took advantage of this opportunity was able to see for himself understand how local propaganda and latvian a. estonian lithuanian difference with reality. uh, because, indeed, these are two different

worlds, if we can freely discuss and raise sharp objectionable questions. it's impossible there. it's impossible to hear. what are we talking about today here with you. uh, there is really a total cleansing of the information field , the fight against dissent with various tools, ranging from technical blocking of any, and informational alternatives, ending with criminal prosecution, articles, conclusions , real magpies, people, intimidated, really space for discussion. there is no room for doubt. uh, no, everything is cleaned up, these are totalitarian systems, and again. this is the sample where the countries of western europe will subsequently come - this is a training ground. this is the initial run-in, and these tools are informational ideological cleansing, so, of course, we are in different worlds with them. uh, it's quite

difficult to compare and understand their reality, but what has belarus done is really a great example. here and now, anyone who doubts can take a bus ticket can get in a car, uh, and after 3 hours see a different reality and compare what the political leadership in latvia, estonia, or 200 tells him with what is in reality. incidentally, i really hope that russia will follow this example and open up to its baltic neighbors. thank you very much. thank you for your opinion. absolutely welcome. i know that we see a lot on the internet, we are watching, uh, viewers from the baltic countries, we pass on to them and hello everyone , we invite you, as well as andrey to us in belarus thank you very much, we continue, but it failed this is an action, but i would, uh, look at andrei vladimirovich. i recall at once the famous session of parliamentary observance. if this is europe, just these countries, about which we are talking and shot, are there ukrainians, a ukrainian delegation and latin, or what

? yes, the parliamentary assembly of the bse cursed yes, at this winter session, the introduction of the atmosphere, of course, it was very hot. well, it was very interesting to pay attention to the structure of the conversation. uh, tough systemic absolutely rational speeches were made only by two delegations. it's us and uk uh huh around them erica chorus hysteria. uh, like a state of satellites, moreover, basically. it was the baltic states and a small state of europe, they have all the speeches, on the contrary. e, they were characterized by such one feature to turn off the rational consciousness and pedal the emotion as much as possible, to scream about any, so to speak, unverified things that naturally cannot but cause a normal person. e rejection. that is

, this is turning off the brain. this is hysterical. uh, hysterical screams could still be here is the third layer, u hear, sometimes from representatives of old europe of large states, but mainly from the party, which were most susceptible to this transformative influence of the green. uh, radicals like this. eh, the rest. uh, especially the representatives of the conservative parties in france, germany, italy, they were either silent or spoke very carefully, urging them to change their minds and start a normal dialogue. very interesting. here, here, behind the scenes behind the scenes, but no one hears their voice. uh, they're under pressure and they they simply do not risk speaking in public , and this is the rational start now. e, strictly speaking, does not determine the behavior

of the political circles of europe, and they are not subjective at all from the word. yes, they simply obey this anglo-saxon pressure, it's amazing to watch. why because, when he said that the most sovereign state in europe is the republic of belarus, just go, try to bend over in western europe , there is not even a hint of this and add. here i am when i look at what is happening, i always remember historical texts concerning the later. rome or later children. yes and here is spengler at the beginning of the twentieth century in the book. decline of europe wrote that one of the important features. eh, the decline of civilization is the eruption of the elite, its depravity. eh, unreasonable susceptibility to all kinds of passions. and so, in principle, we see it now. it seems to me that this is a good example of a fading civilization, which is true in its anger in this. uh, the unwillingness to accept pulls others along with it.

and now it would also like a remark. relatively the reasoning of our colleague, our guest , about the baltic countries, because they still need to be there. here's what to see? here, somehow , we are left a little aside such a factor. uh, hmm, the development of society, how demographically here is our, uh, baltic neighbors, they talk a lot, they try something there as an example. there's someone to put yourself in particular. and if we look at how they develop demographically in terms of quantitative composition and do not break up, that is, people leave from there, estonia is empty, lithuania is empty, and i think that if we continue the trend in the future, and there is no reason to believe that they will somehow stop, then i’ll just say there will be no one there. you ask this, we will learn from those who today are already dying before our eyes. whether on a politically valuable demographic level, this is, i think, an important dimension of our conversation was, of course, watching the video of what

happened at this osce session. of course, it must be admitted that this is diplomacy of a high e rank of a high standard against the background of what our opponents, friends, colleagues, tried to, uh, arrange to endure and still voice position, of course, we understand how difficult it is, but at the same time. here i have some doubts. they say that what was recently voiced by josep barrel is, uh, about the jungle and the flowering garden. this is such a broad opinion of the big european western elites that broke out, they thought about it this way, but because of tolerance, because of some ways of society. uh, they once said they acted publicly in a different way. or maybe, after this performance took place, let's call it that with participation, and

puppeteers and designated baltic choral performers there. maybe, when it was over, you came out to the kular, and there was some kind of substantive conversation with some representatives of the political elite, not necessarily the parties of the socialist parties , or all this dialogue of reason ended, and we move on to mouthpiece diplomacy. let's move on to those sanctions that harm, that are slipping, that you can approach, no one will. that's a good question for the tenth year. sorry, too, were outcasts in the fourteenth year entered teams. such friends. we i did not have time to receive western delegations here. good question. and yes, they are afraid to approach by their views, by the reactions in the wings, it is clear that what they think is real. even sometimes here. by the way they let you in, uh, on the stairs in the wardrobe you can feel it, but the conversation no

is taboo, yes, but i want to tell you something else. why do you have to go out? eh, and why? this is not only, let's say, mouthpiece diplomacy. we are now speaking our position not for the elite e, not only for the european elites, we are speaking for the people, and i can confidently say another thing. i think about 30 to 40% of the population of western europe, and these are, in principle, people who are well educated, have a certain level of culture, they do not share these positions. and such speeches through the internet through all the same these channels that leak to them. we have the opportunity to convey our point of view to a certain extent. maybe even give them hope that all is not lost. that this is the civilization that has been developing in europe, uh, the last 2,000 years, despite

spengler's absolutely clear assessments, nevertheless, maybe not completely rolled up, but they are not stupid. such behavior, including working for our public, but this is one as an example and an absolute miscalculation. they are so convincing to our people. e that everything is done here and in the russian federation is correct and the army of a supporter of the authorities, here and in belarus in the russian federation, this only grows after such behavior, that's all. yes. you, when you see in parliament in any mass yes body. uh, when we see the mess for real, well, in the ukrainian uh parliament, it was solid nearby. yes, in many, when you see this picture, you feel a certain awkwardness. and this chaos and mess clearly speaks precisely spanish shame, when a girl, it seems, they do, but you are ashamed of them. and that's when it happened. yes, it's a shame for the people who stood there behind your backs, but it's not only us who are ashamed, it's a shame for the europeans who are watching this, and they

really feel that they don't want to be in this. e even mentally distancing distancing distances itself. yes, it’s just that this is what shame is, after all. i agree. maybe not all is lost. what i want to say is that these episodes really are. uh, we need to show more often and even popularize in our countries. why because that's what we saw, and it says that europe has ceased to be educated has ceased to be cultured has ceased, wait here we see the deputies of parliament europe corresponds yeah let's do it. wait. well, that's how they act. they act in any case, realizing that part of their electorate will support them in this wild zeal. and if they if they support it, they will do it, as biden

is falsified with the president dudey. uh, they do. it's been a long time. it seems to me that they have been controlling the electorate for a long time through manipulative technologies. confusing them, we turn off the rational consciousness. and as soon as it comes to the political establishment. they. well, they are primitively fighting for financial flows. didn't talk about politics it all comes down to money last remark yes, what's the difference in the uk er. here the mother chooses to feed herself or the child. after all, they really write about it themselves, that they have such a conflict now in a significant part of the population, almost 20%, faces this issue every day. and that it somehow influenced the choice when i'm sorry they are simple among themselves. agreed, then will be the next leader of the country elections. so it's still, when one day they made a claim to me and won, why are we inventing, you show

empty shelves in european stores in your news releases. i 'm telling you i'll let you in on a secret this video we got from the press site 1500 britons died of cold this winter about it video read only in the english-language press. come on, you are from there, of course, the english-speaking press already the term is not great britain but average britain or into russian they translate so-so britain, this is already in the course of boris a few quotes in e. confirmation of this from what we spoke to you with old age. uh, the latvian police are actively checking for loyalty, from whose hand the police will be. listen to the quote of the head of the hospital, you should know him armand it's not a secret that the police, like the whole society, slavic people work origin. those who may have a family tradition, for example, to take part in the undressing on may 9, they need to be identified and isolated from society, and the president of lithuania and gitanas on the seat, the president of lithuania, uh, said that this is

the story with flowers and tanks. helped to identify quilters. it was needed there in order to see those quilted jackets that go there, bring flowers, organize all sorts of prayers very well to highlight and see who is who in lithuania. well, a little more and u stars, and then you bake. still not ruins. yet it's a museum, but it's never too late to light it up. yes, e , what is zimon uncovered, remember that a well-known opposition nationalist link once went to somewhere far away in the usa well , i won’t say anything bad. let 's hear what he said about democracy in europe. this is democratic, that we have a struggle for democracy, as we had democrats. on a person ah-ah-ah, these are far-sighted children. that's all, it's not like europe is a door, not a pragmatic efficient rational

you will leave your own lida river, domain the theme of your interests, their intensity is hungry and democrats and democratic frills. this is just a mechanism for grounding their policy. well, the same thing that you told 103 came up with a word about what to call it more often during a speech, the better it is a question of how there is no nazism in ukraine, yes, when our opponents argue and say, yes, what can we come up with? there is no nazism. but now, on the screen, and flashed an announcement that only purebred ukrainians can be blood donors. yes, there is. yes, well, this is a gel, i would envy more, well, i don’t know, there’s not such a topic of the slavs blood was taken during the great patriotic war. they are there with skulls uh for the purpose of matching aryan russia and here uh blood, well, just that we are surprised. here on the screen recently there was a quote from a latvian policeman who said pure racism of the slavic nationality sounded there, they must be identified

and expelled. this is what it is. and then believe me, the command will come to beat and they will go to beat. you know, this kind of coordinate system is interesting here, look at cultural nationalism, which, by the way, you can sometimes meet here and beyond any doubts. it can only evolve into radical nationalism, which is now becoming commonplace, and in the baltic countries they will continue to evolve where fascism is? when already part of the population of its own population is declared unreliable, but in fact on an ethnic basis, the final stage is nazism even worse, when, in principle, not only part of its population, but also a separate nation. in general they are denied life this is what we saw in nazi germany but starting from

this it is all with a cultural nationalism statement this latvian policeman. and this is nazism already. he basically, i disagree about the final stage, the final stage is the red banner on top. everything always ends. one of two regular passage. we have seen now that we will touch on this topic, a sabotage and reconnaissance group entered the territory of russia and it seems that there, as the russians were, they were already identified by the ukrainians. look, these are your russians, but what kind of russians were in the armed forces of ukraine, there was a video. uh, i think last summer, where are they? something is being trained. look at every word.

let's get a look. come on, here, they are here to shoot at us without interruption, they are generally interested in the ideological basis on which they are based, but again the nazism cattle rider said that not only did they know about it very actively. we talked about it, including the british press, and, uh, films. uh, i filmed, well, now it’s completely open in the composition of the force , damn it, anyone, fascist nazis are good, when it comes to confrontation with russia and confrontation with the collective east begins with belarus ending with china, therefore they block in every possible way stop any mention of political predilections. frankly, the anti-human predilections of these battalions. all this is cut out, as if you saw a wolf swastika, a hook. that's all,

they are banned and washed away for the western layman, and this is presented as the resistance of the free people against the intervention of another aggressive country. this is the substitution of the concept that it causes delight in europe, unfortunately ukrainian ukraine in the first place, the collective west and the united states did not draw any conclusions from the afghan fiasco. they understand that they are following the same path, and you know, someone else is delighted . judging by the press, the belarusian e, bright and incredible fighters for democracy and human rights, which we are constantly at the club. it is one thing to voice your political preferences, the desire to vote for someone to support one or another party of presidential candidates, and so on, another thing is national betrayal. when you already want sanctions, you want your people suffered when you want war and blood on your land, wanting the invaders to enter here and kill their citizens. and these are two big and very different things that people who

live in our country with different political views should clearly understand for themselves, especially in such a difficult period. and one more story. remember this week. in order for the information to pass , we turned it into embarrassment and e gogo. there, on the entire internet and on television, e, not only on the territory of belarus, in ukraine and russia , regarding the attack on russian e, liner, bandit, azarov with a quadcopter this is not the point. we are looking at e from the other side. it's all about how our incredible, again, our uh, fugitives and our so-called independent liberal presses, which are no longer presses, reacted to inveterate propagandists. i mean dubai charter and so on. delight just understand, people are in delight from what she told them. er, well, as a result. you know the story was presented as if different versions were first with him blew up the antenna, then fell off, wings, agreed. e banditosaurs before that, according to

him. hey, we have a video. yes, it burned out completely. and you can generally show in pieces, and you can show on cars. on air or not? i hope that, so to speak, the true authorities, uh, will forgive us for showing on the air a frank traitor terrorist, and after his statement that he uh says, he is frankly a terrorist, but we are interested from a medical point of view from a manipulative, how they are people, uh, manage and what they would say, what they feed, let's listen to him. there was information today that, allegedly, it was already planning to dismantle it for spare parts, that trucks were already coming there , which were taking out it was not clear that it was surrounded by military personnel and armed, then, perhaps, they had already begun to disassemble satellite images of the padded a50 not yet, but even according to preliminary information, many experts already claim that this aircraft was disabled until the end of the war. so

the strength of the aircraft itself is broken. and i think that apparently he will sit until the end of the war. can you imagine what our reaction was when we laughed at this filming. this was all seen on the internet at the same time, the charter dump wrote that the drones flew out of the village of the minsk region , the repair would take at least a year , the mirror wrote that it was a completely losing situation for uh, alexander, uh, lukashenka, and if they hadn’t gone, they wouldn’t have filmed it, they wouldn’t have shown everything, it would grow. i don’t know what for on such a scale, so you should always show the struggle of narratives and here, of course, uh, a big bow and a low bow our media that simply show facts, not comments, do not invent fakes and do not give any stories. but the facts and give people the opportunity to draw their own conclusions. key note. yes, why did this appear? why did it create such a buzz? yes, after all, the very fact

of the ukrainian drg crossing the border in russia and the seizure, as they call a few everything, right? and this is the situation with the plane. he 50 is, in fact, an event of about the same order purely from an informational point of view in the absence clear successes with obvious failures at the front again. no one needs e completely now in the west, fugitives from belarus they are not interesting at all. this topic is gone. it has long been exactly the same as they are trying at least how to carry out peramogi in the information sphere. and for now, while these pyromachs will appear in this form , it will only say that degradation in their environment is gaining momentum. yes, well, you understand here. here, let's remember. we talked about a provocation in other words, the president said what it was for to destabilize the situation within society within the country, that is the purpose of all these publications and action. our task is including, but we

are at war, including show that they lie, show. degree, of course, i myself took part in the preparation of all this, so to speak. we just brought them to clean water. we just mocked them fed this video in parts. we showed in the evening knew that there would be a tantrum, that we were hiding the video. we showed in the afternoon the hysteria began, what is it, where are the fighters. eh, this one. uh, fighter already they had testimonies. uh, fighters and uh, i see that from the other side, the degree of frank lies is simply outraged by the people who took it. eh, this is supposedly for yourself, but in this regard, of course, it’s useful, so to speak, you just need to understand that in relation to everyone else, they behave in exactly the same way . when you open these extremist chat rooms, listen to these people. know, believe. we have been doing this for many years. i'm liars, outright blatant

liars. if you listen to them do it let's move on to uh, good party topic construction. yes, yes, there is still time, belarus has come up with an initiative to create a political party. well, finally, we have been waiting for this for a long time and we congratulate you, so to speak, e with a confident movement towards the cherished one. uh, the goal of the organizers of the party position themselves as, uh, the president's guard, the main goal is to support the state course planned to cover all segments of belarusian society and become the most massive people's party. the program has already been published and founding congresses have taken place, but soon the most important thing is to say, i did not confuse anything. no, nothing. everything is correct. uh huh, indeed. everything, he mikhail correctly said that e belarus was the initiator. this is exactly the correct wording, that is, the public association remains and it continues to fulfill the tasks assigned to it by the charter and program, and we are creating the party, as they say from scratch, it is open to all citizens of the republic, belarus and its members can be not only and maybe not

only members of a public association, belarus, but also people, representatives and eh public associations without party members, those who may not have been interested in politics before, but at the present stage, see the need for this, and already now we can say that the party will indeed be the most massive, if only because that at the constituent meetings e members are not so founders of the party, who, after registration, will become members. there are already 16,000 people, as far as i know, no other current party in our country has such a membership, only start such a hard core of activists are people who immediately said that they are the regions of our country in all regions, and i confess. we may not have even expected that there were so many people, but this wave of interest turned out to be so high that, in general, such a quite decent number of founders, and the created party never turned out and how will it go if march 18 passes, uh, in

minsk concert hall will host about a thousand delegates from all regions of our country. sputnya we will take out questions about the approval, the charter and the program of the party - this is a fundamental thing, because a party is not a club of like-minded people. there you can in a public association. i don't know whether to ride bikes together or have pets there. uh, there to educate, a political party - this is the idea of ​​unity. this is a series of meanings that must be shared by all members of the party. and these meanings will be discussed and approved within the framework of the program and charter. in addition, will be selected, the leading organs of the party will be e, decided on its name and exactly right. now there is still a process of discussion on the agenda. ah or not the process of discussion. this is the main name of the belarusian party, belarus, but our activists are on the organizing committee in others. uh, in other venues they suggested the name of the party of white russia, which seemed

interesting to us too. now we have launched a survey. uh, in our telegram channel and instagram account, and now we are discussing. what option is put forward for discussion and the decision of the congress is such work. we are now carrying out and what is very important i would like to emphasize here that the program of the party is being widely discussed. uh, it would be possible, of course, to involve experts you know, uh, high-profile people who would say, that's good. this is right. it's wrong to take sergey, i feel all my life. yes, dmitry alexandrovich, according to the constitution, how many proposals were taken into account were taken into account? many quite right to him here we went that's why the path. now there is a discussion in many platforms in many social groups, and on our website there is a feedback form where we accept a proposal, they accumulate and those that are really constructive and significant they will be included in the draft program, of course, not

all here. it must be said, in the end the program is not a vinaigrette, that everything in the world is there, but to plan and lay, but the conceptual consistency of our ideology is significant. they will be accepted. let's give a point of view. uh opponents. no, be afraid , political scientists say that there has been a cleansing of the political field in belarus in connection with the new legislation. but it seems to me, after all, that we have finally got rid of empty shells, under which grants could be introduced here. but no more than that, a little bit in 20 years 20 years. that's from the moment how i came in my time in the administration and began to study. just public ideas in political portions during this time we have had 15 parties that have existed since that moment. yes, at that moment, yes, there, as it were, the party of the communists of the belarusian time was rephrased or renamed , uh, into the party of the left there is a just world and these are all the changes that have occurred, but the question is different you during this time uh, i always say a simple test. go outside and ask the

person any first. how many parties in belarus and then which ones you name and at least name a couple of party leaders, this will be the answer to all questions. why now we need not a purge, no, but simply, roughly speaking, a revision of the simplest, and what exists in fact , because not a party, with the exception of two of which we will call today, yes, two or three max are not leaders, with the exception of one or two. yes, you won’t name and won’t say where, when, in what place you saw them and what symbols you will name in these cases, and the programmers are no longer doing this. you knew the real situation. please tell me those parties existed or they were dummies. well, let's just say that the parties, as such, practically did not exist. there were single leaders whom we knew, who showed themselves exclusively during the election campaigns. yes, and i will not name you, as a rule, i will not name you. that is , these were in vain, true, but no one stood behind them in an organized manner, no one

stood behind them at all. they couldn't even excuse themselves and pay for the office, yes, that's all. time there were courts due the fact that they occupied the premises and could not imagine what kind of party it was that yours wanted to kill. see they are here, for real. this also applied to the party. they were not created. how they became active under the electoral campaigns for the distribution of financial rollers that came from abroad, which already a priori, says that these were not belarusian guys, one moment, you just need