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on the air is a weekly socio-political talk show essentially in the studio of kirill kazakov and alena surova today we will talk about forgiveness, farewell, decisions made regarding our compatriots who are abroad or within the country. we will discuss what worries our society, we will talk about modern commissars, who are they, and are they in our studio? hello good evening. well, while we were preparing for this program, we discussed it. in what context to speak, so on a complex topic, you need to understand that yes, when the decision was made to create, the commission of forgiveness, so called by the people, and you might think, that attention is paid only to those who had, let's say, an alternative point of view and

fled abroad. here's a criminal point of view about this conversation abroad, but afraid to return. if he is afraid to return, so, uh, there is a reason for this, but i would like to start by focusing on something else, that, in principle, in our society there are still those whom the president calls, uh, hiding themselves under the plinth hiding, and those people who hmm in the twentieth year, who may not have had the courage, so i'm ra obviously speak, but at the same time , they did not leave any such ideas and ideas in their own. they live by their hmm perception , but by their dislike for the fact that internal emigration is happening beautifully, yes, but at the same time, it seems like they mimicked the reality that exists today, but andrey has questions for you. why are we discussing andrey, we were just

discussing this question, who to ask? and i say, here is august 9, 2012. andrei flour, eight from the stage of the kupala theater, said that you have time for everyone. strictly speaking, there must be a desire to find and defuse. actually, that's why the question. well, my question is just about how easy it is to figure out such people and whether or not they can be known so absolutely seamlessly entered our new reality. well, why, and now i have colleagues who, as it were, are like this. people are said to be quite simply identified, to the point that m-m they tell their life stories or supposedly their life stories, which in fact are people who stand before their eyes as friends, i don't know if they are relatives or fictional characters. how calculate yes, it's very simple for all business leaders.

so, when i speak there in front of people in the area, yes in the field, what is called i say you are not too lazy, there is such a thing as a facebook public page, it is public initially , what was cleaned is also visible, you can also see if a person does not have a record before rather, there are a lot of records up to a 20, yes, and then, as i know, a lot of people who demolished theirs on facebook, someone cleaned them out by posts, and someone demolished a whole pack. it just disappears there for ten years, but for many it still remains so, you don't be lazy. take a look at these pages. and if a person after 2 years, and soon there will be three, if after 3 years such a person on the page above, i would hate not forgive , i walked, i walk and i will walk. and that's it, that's the position. you see, what a thing this position is for this person. i think that the path to culture, to education, should be ordered

, in general, with the youth in public service in any way, even for the wrong crossing of the street. take me, for example, as a member of society, as a citizen. doesn't matter. how in this way, society isolates itself from this kind of person with this kind of, fundamentally look, andrei, with such a radical , rather subjective opinion, is at stake for internal enemies. uh-huh you're the commissar in the foreign commission uh-huh question. here, how can you be objective there, or subjectivity, this is our everything in that position. wait a second. do not be confused, you asked a question about the hidden ones. you asked a question about those, uh, about those who , named, fought under the plinth, sits under a broom, there, and so on and so forth, the commission is a commission on appeals to citizens, abroad and committed an offence. what's not clear? listen,

let's start with the fact that maybe konstantinovich will correct me and so on. unless, of course, i am not savvy enough here in this commission, as the prosecutor general said, in principle, any citizen whose belarus has been determined from a certain period and for some reason, and believes that it is dangerous for him to return to the country, but he wants it do. so the commission can check, so to speak, whether he will be clean. whether there are questions for him? if yes, what are they? you are right that the commission is not absolutely immediate, the application that comes from a citizen who is in the country, but the commission was created specifically to inform and resolve the issue of the return of those who are for those who are abroad, so i can immediately say those citizens who are here and will

apply. they will also receive a competent qualified answer, but this answer will be narrow enough that they will have to be within the framework. acting naturally, legislation to apply, whether it there will be a supervisory complaint, whether it will be a statement. oh, what about some other issues, but the statement will still concern non-return and not a solution to the issue of their possibility of return, but the possibility of, uh, recognition by the commission of the fact that it is inexpedient to bring him to criminal liability. it's not about the ghoul. no, of course, even the vector that is scheduled for returning from abroad is also out of the question, that all citizens who turn to those who are there will come for them. uh, universal mission.

well, look, when was the interview attorney general, immediately after the announcement that this law came into force and that the commission was ordered to youtube, a very large number were watched in poland. man, well, not really coming off, of course. case. why, because it was interesting. what mechanism, but after that, how many people spoke out, well , or wrote anonymously, not anonymously. we want our case to be looked at, because we are talking about the fact that some kind of such is being created there. it feels like no one will go, well, you won’t go anywhere, well, with officially. how many have now applied to the commission 23 applications are under consideration 23 applications i will immediately say that most of the applications do not meet the criteria prescribed in the order. the directions of the information that are indicated so that they are presented, that is, the commission is informed about there, are clearly described.

what are the requirements for applying e to these appeals. we give exist feedback. we inform the citizen that you please provide this information that is not available. imagine missing - missing documentation. well, the very process of the commission’s work, for example, is it defined, or, of course, did it work, did it meet, or at least uh, beforehand, we are talking about some kind of theory, how it will work , the commission’s meeting has not yet been held, because it has not yet the material necessary for the discussion of this or that application of the appeal has been accumulated. from, respectively, one or another candidate who wrote it. well, here we are, let's say, let's move on to what is probably to be soldered. i am sure that those people will appear who will bring vladimirovna to you

let's connect a little later, until we finish with those questions, and with which we started our conversation like this, that is, people will have to suffer in any case, well, the punishment is the responsibility for the actions that they committed, i have everything with this questions for you alexey ivanovich is ready whether lawyers stand up for such our citizens. naturally, lawyers our main task, which is entrusted to us by the state, is to ensure the protection of the rights and legitimate interests of citizens. and, of course, lawyers will do their job in this direction. well, as for the commission, you know, i want to say that, probably, the purpose of this commission , as it seems to me, was to create the first words there and you remember, this is, uh, reaching agreement in society to ensure the rights and legitimate interests of belarusian citizens. it sounds like a decree, so i think it's probably the main goal. i think that this commission was just to achieve, uh

, peace and harmony in our society, that is , to give an opportunity to people who, one way or another , ended up abroad for various reasons, who violated the law. possibly done crime had the opportunity to repent and apply to this commission in the appropriate body in order to return to their homeland and continue here, so to speak, to work legally to achieve peace and harmony. i mean people who live outside our country before the creation of the commission was real, you heard that you people applied, for example, abroad as a lawyer or lawyer in order to check the legal status. well , i think that there were such cases, because, naturally, a person, like being outside within the borders of the motherland, he is some kind of euphoria, probably, initially he passes through them there and the help is over. you run out of money, it just ends and you need to live somehow, so uh,

where you were born there and came in handy, as they say among our people, so i think there were cases when, of course, people were interested. uh, how to return to your homeland, but due to the following reasons, uh, criminal prosecution administrative prosecution, perhaps the impact of uh. due to the fact that they once committed, as i say, illegal actions. of course they afraid. this also applies to our youth and people. who is already so grown up? well, i think that the goal is the commission, why is there a composition? here we have such a different e, according to the members of the commission? i think just one of the goals is to achieve reconciliation in society. and in this way, let's say that there are some people who made a conscious choice and left. we remember, yes, those very stories when, well, they exaggerated these scarecrows and horror stories in order to

get a better job there. well the people who who needed a push kick in order to change their lives. i think that they don’t really want to come back here then, but it’s another matter, yes, those who were really subjected to emotional attacks by a psychological technique and hmm ran away, ran away frightened well, i think, yes, they have a chance to return, and they will be able to fully integrate into our society. i will return to the question that igor started with. what do you think, can we achieve this goal, which we say is global peace and hmm, i agree in the belarusian society, and without creating, let's say the same commission within the country for those who are inside belarus well , no commissions of peace, in principle, reach agreement. it's a question. much more philosophical than the question of legal commissions, it seems to me. what is here anyway? i have not seen. unfortunately, in

the work of the commission there, in the decree on the creation of the commission, which i personally really expected , i fully admit that this is such a subjective opinion. here, just the same clear mechanism, how the commission will work in my subjective opinion, while the work of the commission is, well, not i don’t want to talk about systemic, but some, and decisions for each specific person are made collectively, but what decisions according to what rules? under what articles will leniency be allowed under what? no, this is still not clearly spelled out, respectively, the commission right now in my opinion. this is the most wonderful amazing better, maybe there was no precedent yet. yes, that is, there was no meeting yet. yes, yes, yes , there is a challenge for a minute, so as you said, let's, let's discuss. uh, everything you can’t write down the algorithm of the commission’s work, otherwise it would be a decree on and there they became a hundred, therefore, as for the algorithm of work. i can

add lena more hmm so that it doesn't happen. sorry, alyona, so as not to give the impression that i only said, but the applications received that do not meet the criteria. no, there were applications that did not fall within the competence of the roots of our extremists at all, when they applied there to work as a journalist, making a report in this way , there is also a statement that you can work with. and i think that in the foreseeable future, of course, a specific date has not been set, but there will be a meeting of the commission. we will discuss specific candidates and how leniency can be shown to them, as for the algorithm of the commission's work, the secrets of the secretariat have been created. this is the working body, which consists of a fairly large number of prosecutors who systematize these statements, which are evaluated initially. so to speak, the first order is sent responsibility to

the competences and bodies, if it is known for sure, that there is a criminal case, it means that this criminal case is required to be studied. well, as for the completeness of informing citizens, then, of course, we understand that only on the website of the prosecutor's office, which contains the email address and the address of the prosecutor's office, not everything is visible from abroad, so what about the work of the commission's website, which is located on a secure internet resource , which from abroad citizens will see and will be able to contact moreover, on the initiative of the prosecutor's office , the ministry of foreign affairs has placed at all. at all our diplomatic representations and consular offices, europe is covered, everything is covered, the united states of america, turkey, georgia, there are also posted on the websites of diplomatic missions in the relevant information

to help citizens, which describes, so to speak, what needs to be presented. look, the algorithm is a algorithm. i understand your anxiety there, because in fact we journalists have to work with this and most of all we will have to work in order to explain. and why because well, look, in fact, i am like journalists to me explain your common concern with igor. you explain to people every time. and why yes, no after the conversation? i'll tell you seriously. look, really. i'm not opposed to collegiate meetings, but the commission , which decides whether this person can not come, but you and i began to talk about the fact that a subjective and fairly radical opinion, a torment waxer is subjective. yes , a fairly radical opinion of an enlightened person, and yet more, uh, a legally justified opinion, for example, on index vinchevskiy is correct. and here is how these two opinions will agree on the correctness of this decision, because relatively speaking, petrov passes, but

ivanov does not pass. and why did they seem to have done the same thing, wait for petrov, let's skip it. we will wrap up ivanov and then we will explain it to you, whom i think that the rules are clearly spelled out. here is for me. all clear. that's specific and clear. radical extremists. this is not their story. it's a commission, it's unlikely they, uh, will be able to somehow. i will now give an example. yure excuse me. here you are. i understand that it's probably these 3 years you have already been stuffed with these examples, but you were one of those one of the first who, but publicly said that, well, he was the first to be mistaken. i’m not a radical, and now i even apologize to him for the fact that, in principle, i mention a moment in 3 years. we are already accustomed to the fact that a yuri work for the good of our country. ah, here

the point is that um those people we will be that a person can change their point of view right? here we believe you will not climb a person. you understand, and this commission should work not only on emotions or sympathies. i liked ivanov a. petrovna worked on emotions. there is a need for a clear mechanism, prescribed yes, the relevant law enforcement agencies of the commission have a secretary from the commission who collects materials. these are clear legal ones. can i still say, after all, well, listen. well , why don't we. here we are, we are talking about the fact that there should also be sincere repentance. well marina here, i agree. i'm more of a crap. publicly. sorry if

really absolutely radical positions, as likely as it will be the president of our country. that's how he said these people should be cooler even i batik, that is, they have to prove it. well, let's talk about the fact that radicalism, both right and left, is the word. in principle, we all understand perfectly well with you, to some extent. eh, radical patriots are also suffering there, a healthy society, so there should be no distortions here, of course, but even when they said, yes, that's when yuri gave his first interviews, even among a-a. not only are there a bunch of those who were on the other side, there are statements among those who were on the side of the authorities and did not change their position was a misunderstanding. why

should we trust this person? why should we take this person into our ranks, and i'm sure yuri had to go a long way to prove this in principle. well, probably, you could share your experience, including with those who have to go this way, because it seems to me that the horror story of just the same for many is precisely this very moment of adaptation, integration back , we will explain again, uh, all the difference uh, vector direction of the commission. yes, that is, for those who are inside, uh, the procedure is very simple, you go to the territorial police departments or you calmly tell them to the lips, and they directly decide that you violated the law, you live on absolutely right, or the measure the measure applied, understand our statement will not be caught. yes, that's why. the fact is that before the creation of this commission, many of us were approached. relatives yes, acquaintances

of these people who are now abroad, and therefore the authorities went to create such a procedure so that everything is regulated, so that we live according to the law, as they like to say that there are few of them , according to your data, so, uh, these people who escaped, you mean, they want to come, but they want to apply , so to speak. uh, there are different numbers, there are different assessments, up to completely insane ones, which the ubsie parliamentary assembly gave. uh, almost half a million billion. yes, it means that as of today , dozens of people have applied to the commission, alexey konstantinovich said, but only 23 applications were taken into circulation, because they meet more or less the criteria of the commission and er. you understand those who laugh are sorting through the personal composition laughing through uh teeth. on the other hand, they

must understand that both the flour carrier and the lightening , or voskresensky and other members, are one thing - it is just the flour carrier, the lightening. and voskresensky and his civic position is another matter, and the members of the commission are another matter. we are different from them. we will make all our decisions based on the laws and the evidence base, without intertwining our own here. uh, make sure here is your personal in fact, it was because of your citizen that revolutionary legal consciousness was included in this commission. well, now we understand the task. consolidation task. see. please tell me, that's actually people's creativity. especially those who well in show business. we recently discussed this topic with you and most of all blamed them for being emotionally susceptible. for example , some such creative impulse, sometimes. yes, they all here they ran. that's all , the whole kupalovsky theater once ran away. after would like to return. for example, i know

that the kupalovites, who brought the application, put it on the table, then all of a sudden they suddenly realized that this was not a game. it's all real and they kind of want to come back and don't always understand how, but people like them will come back, for example, here they are. well, in fact , there was no creativity there. excuse the bare calculation of those who led this rebellion and nonsense is not a passable nonsense. those who shine it yes and those who followed them. i perfectly i also remember the events that took place before that. i remember perfectly well the events of august 8 and the concerts in support of the elections, and i remember very well how the programs poured in, because some artists. they suddenly fell ill. it was a one-time fear. no, although they returned here, then they ended up not with us, but, let's say, monthly at the minister's, receiving 2/3 of the citizens who are recording. at the reception, these

citizens can already be seen by the names that come with a question. what did i do? how to return, and how to return she and us for what? well, the most about the simplest question. and where did you publicly announce a change in your civil position after that? can you state it, please do it somewhere, uh, in the minister's office, who will hear it? well, the press secretary will hear, but the specialist who oversees will hear. let's not confuse our viewers now and not confuse the commission, which for the fugitives and those who come to minsk inside the country can somehow be told, because there are a lot of conversations, almost the ministries there do not set the task of all proverbs, believe me, they go. sorry if this is a thread from this thread. it's good if one drop pours out, because the test is to publicly declare our positions and the test that we have 24-25 years ahead of us. and you can go to such a concert, it withstands very much. a small number of people, well, as for

the white freemen of kupala, i called the advice whether the current kupala people would accept them. there were 12 now two respected people's artists have passed away. now, probably, from the old composition, 10 remained accepted olga valentina will accept them tamara vasilievna will hardly accept them on the same wall. sorry. now it’s just not to live, and not because, well, not to exist together, because the fact that you are not the theater of iskupalovsky, only revived it. sorry from the first castings. and how this young first set came, and they were hounded in social networks. sorry, it is unlikely that this is someone now , journalists, colleagues will return, they will come with regards. here is reconciliation in society. right now , something continues to happen that, in general, is always normal for the situation that we experienced in 2020, the winning side e, decides what will be, the losing side. it's completely normal, it always happens , moreover, i'm even glad, because i'm obviously. to the winning side, but there is

some subjective perception of the processes. and there is legislation. i'm a little bit. here is an example of article 328 distribution of drugs. and there is a law. and there is the right application practice, sometime 10-15 years ago such long terms under the drug article were not issued, then the time came when we were under attack from a big death in russia, it was then decided that the terms were being increased for narcotic articles. they became. well, let's just say i won't say abnormally large, but large. and where did the problem of the mother come from 3:28, here is a slight negativity in society , some time has passed and right now. in general, there are concessions on 3 2 8, because the peak of the threat has passed, and we return to 2020 and earlier we had unauthorized actions, but in 2020 in order to bring down such a criminally radical impulse, revolutionary to people , who are somewhere.

the article began to be applied to the avenues, but there is a mass blocking of streets in general, as if there were questions about e , because indeed the composition of e. and the right purpose of the law became. well, a little tougher in relation to these people. what did not happen before until the moment when the law will be just as harsh on people who went out somewhere in the twentieth year and did something. well, there's no one like that, total there will be no reconciliation. this is not good and not bad , but the moment, apparently, has not yet come, just as the moment did not come for a long time when it was possible to make an indulgence on 3 2 8, it happened only now the commission. well, in general, we are here in terms of the work of the commission on the return of the whites, and here a lot of opinions have been said, but the most important result is not yet, there are no real returnees yet, but there are really considered cases, but with positive results. i agree,

we are already discussing relaxation. we're discussing an indulgence, uh, theoretical, but there's nothing. i have legally we are discussing. i have a suspicion that if there were several dozen applications in the first month, there will be fewer applications in the following months. and i'm the first, and i think that i 'll explain more. why examples this is the story of a girl from the conditional old roads there, who went to enter as far as minsk or as much as patient zero. yes, it's a shame to return , it turned out that the most obvious opponents were nearby. yes, a skeptic to god zaya- legislation. we've gotten tougher. in what sense is it not what previously provided for 10 years, and now does not count. for the main

socio-political events that we are now discussing, not what used to be 15 years, they have increased. uh, the upper limit was raised to twenty years. no, many legal relations were not regulated and they used it. as you said, the losing party and we experienced a clear flaw in terms of the ability to stop and fight these phenomena, and therefore the legislator really settled precisely those legal relations that the gap in which is in the law regulation was used by our opponents , we call them so in this the legislation has changed and in this it can be considered the legislation to be tightened. uh, his tightening came, but not a simple understanding was used as a weakness. if

now we are all so well gone. why do n't we really forgive everyone. well, i’ll even tell you that this is wrong, because well, just imagine, i can understand igor when he says that, well, they can’t always accept. yes, people are their teams. here, let, let in our the team will come the person who betrayed us. well, you can work with him and i will support andrey who says that it is necessary at least at the level of the street crossing such people are not allowed in the journalism departments. i 'll tell you more people who talk about the losing side, our opponents are our opponents. and such intonation. i think

this i intones. yes, it’s already like this . you can’t carve it out. i think they lie to themselves and lie to society, which is worse, because our opponents would hang us on lamp posts instagram went for a walk somewhere , people would not hang us on poles. in the crowd of this a and b in the twentieth year were different , of course there were many who you are not different, but there were others , there were others who would not do anything with those who would come for the official. i took him by the handles by the legs and threw him into the garbage can. wouldn't have done anything these people, who only look, yes, that it is impossible today, of course, to say all forgiveness, but mercy must be said. why because only the strong truly true people's state is capable of to such mercy you see in our state.

there is such an ability and this decree on the creation of this commission, it speaks about it, we are ready to forgive further, tell us about what you wanted to add on the previous thesis to speak in defense of your attention to the fact that we probably need to understand and determine the goal. e creation of this commission. the most important thing, yes, well, look, if i take it so about the legislation, i will speak as it should be. we have the possibility of exemption from criminal liability of procedural ones. the law spelled out exemption from administrative liability available. we have the opportunity to apply the amnesty in the legislative procedure , the pardon procedure, that is, the mechanisms. here. uh, as they say to forgive people, we have plenty and the state and law enforcement agencies and courts are very active. here dear colleagues. i think, after all, the purpose of this commission was just a little bit. it was aimed precisely at those people who

are abroad, who are now, well, i’ll even say, she’s probably somewhere to some extent, the political goal was, uh, these are people who are them. yes, i also want to note that, of course, you can’t say here like that, that one is like that. or one is like that. eh, everyone should be judged by deeds and deeds, in principle, this mechanism is provided for in the commission. there, each individual person will be considered for what he has done and accomplished, and his future fate and decisions to be made by the commission will depend on this. but, in principle, now our people who are abroad. they are largely influenced of that information resource that you understand that it is so to speak, yes they receive information, they are impressed. there are these telegram channels there with destructive elements. yes, it’s difficult for them now , with the decision, all the more so now they are 100% told that where you are going, you are all

here. yes, right here, and therefore this is an opportunity just to give to people who did not commit, of course, we are not talking about radical elements here. they will not turn to this commission this to those who are not lost to our society. these are the students who may have left someone else like that, yes, uh, to return to their homeland, it seems to me that this is the main goal of this commission. this is very important. well, look, a lot of people say that they are not so much respected. how much strength is strength. we make people afraid in some way and people will go. why here, well, as if andrey here. well come back. yes, yes, they seem to feel disrespect, but they are afraid of the feeling of fear. here is strength from our side. yes. well, it's normal to be afraid of the power of the state. yes, the state for that and a why apply? well, you're afraid, because you

live, everything ends, passport money. no work you're in in situations like this, well , the situation when you're at home, well, you're afraid, it's not so much afraid. how long has it been unclear how to live? when i started talking about being ashamed, there is a way to break through, and i had a little different in mind, it’s very embarrassing, having failed the entrance exams to return back. when you told everyone there , you all know who you are here, and i left, it's cool there. everything . and i'll do it. i'll be higher and so on left and that's it. but there already yes, it doesn’t work, no money, there are no prospects, no fate, there is nothing medical. i agree turned back, how to write it never come back the girls just go to the panel, well, they don’t return to their native collective farm. the first swallow is needed, the first is needed, as it were, approximately. here i want to say that the commission is not driven by enrollment. as some kind of yes, that is, it is

not the quantity of quality that matters to us. let it be 23 people or 230 people. doesn't matter. it is important that no one will reproach us later, what there was no mechanism. and now about the fact that some giggle about the repentance of repentance. we want not not e from those who return, and we are ready to accept them. we want not, uh, what not their assurances of love for some party or for some political activity. e to the leader, so that they come, kneel down, we look for love there, light up the onco or the flour carrier or something else? no, we do not want this, but they must understand, although sometimes it was necessary for me it seemed that this is how they interpret it on purpose so that people do not we were returning people must, who are now watching us abroad. they must understand that now belarus is in a difficult situation around

the perimeter, our partners are swearing with their teeth. we are on the verge of war, under the threat of our independence sovereignty, of course we would like that as evidence that they are patriots they said how much they love their country. but look explain even they will say not how they like it. let them condemn the rebellion, condemn the wrongful act. here tell me yes than, but the usual repentance for the crime differs from a very civilized form on the border from lithuania to latvia whose crimea and who started the war in ukraine well, in fact, this is not repentance in essence. we do the same thing only in a more civilized way. we do the same thing, because they ask a question to everyone who wants to pass through their border, they arranged. such for themselves , contrary to all international rules, they staged a democratic and diktat. no, they

do what they do, what they want, and we are really democratic, because let's apply and come again remind you committed a crime. you see, there you are afraid of a lawyer? you know, here we are talking about students, about young people, after all, we should not forget about some kind of youthful maximalism. and believe this brother, because many of them. well, time will pass and they will understand that here it is one motherland and there is no need for another, how to convey to these young people that they need to return, because there they are a ballast, one of them, of course, will settle down. and maybe he will even have a very good life for himself, and someone with this ballast and will remain the motherland will accept, and we need these young people, we need smart young people. why not and they will repent over time, but here and well we need to work. these young people will arrive, and we must also make every effort so that they hear us and tomorrow we will not allow

such a situation at all. and here there is work to be done, very huge, starting, as we say from kindergarten, so that no one even has a desire to go out to some squares, that everything is just in the soul. understood here she is mine earth. here is my country. here is my flag. here is my anthem. and now, even some , you know, who are very active behind the plinth today. like repented because such people are also true, then you are hinting at artists not only at artists at many, but in any case, you understand, i’m still for mercy for indulgence, of course, reasonable but well, you yourself speak repented, but uh we still don't fully trust. this is irina. you say that the interview is in the minister's office. yes a few people pass, although they ask. well, there simple questions are not ready to publicly repent. well, maybe then minkul, then it makes sense

to roll out some list of requirements to the artists who want yes, clear, who want and no one is embarrassed about it. it's only us who are kicked by what we blacklists do. by the way, speaking, by the way, there is your personal black list, you have a personal black list and or it's just a pestle top list that you like to hear your positions and mark in the appropriate let's say so. accessories for a certain group of people, let's say, and secondly, i will participate in cultural projects that are of a socio-political nature , because there are people who come, it seems, repent, even such persons it would seem significant, but when you speak, and you will go out to a special event. no no, it's not really for me. here the concert would be commercial somewhere. that's what i did there, but they don't invite me. well, that's why we invite you, that's why you and they invite you, because you'll put it this way, you haven't identified yourself anywhere in the appropriate way. a

concerning? sorry it is said, as regards the sincerity of remorse. sorry, but here you need to measure seven times once, then there was such an actor to make decisions, there was pavel kharlandchuk, who remembers an older participant in politics for a long time, in my opinion, since 2006 he was very active there in front of october square, then from one theater. here they sent it. well, then he repented, he came to the same kupala theater of a black dog, you can’t wash it white, anyway, his essence manifested itself, so very very carefully we look at all such people a question for you as a journalist. this is what he always asks when you start arguing this topic. with those who ran away periodically. they appear in your social networks. they say it's understandable. you have run out of doctors, policemen. the artists have run out, the deputies have run out, and the journalist has run out. and now you want to shave everyone with this, forgive everyone and go to work. the reverse is not a problem at all. yeah, not uh , some number of people who left somewhere from the country in 2,000 there in the twentieth twenty the first year is not critical, not

problematic for belarus, they always left somewhere for labor migration. as a certain number of people, and then, uh, it means that all this was replenished by internal labor migration did not stop, and the return of all whites, uh, will not affect anything critical and important. eh, for life inside belarus for me personally. this is what is happening with the situation with the fugitive return commission here, which means the main part of society, which is directed to this work. this is the core of society, relatively speaking, neutral, which is not one opposing country, nor the other, but observes how the state of belarus behaves in such a post-crisis situation. as far as we know how, and how to show the power of mercy, as far as we do not gesture in terms of some kind of personal revenge there. uh, this is what people are watching, and to hell with them running away personally here, let them sit there as long as they like, i worry about people who watch the state system and sometimes

say that well, of course you are right in the twentieth year. here the fugitive wanted to let the country down, but solving the problem of the twentieth year. you gesture such people also have me. they interest me personally in the first place, they are active, opposing to the side, so that our people treat us well, our government and our country. right now, yes, they trusted, because and yet we talk a lot about the first sign. about this here is the first example on his return, but we are with uh, with yura voskresensky before the air. generally discussed. yes, we are, uh, with regards to who signed for whom in 2020 we follow. well, let's put it this way, but in parallel with this , the process of party building has been launched in our country. are we not scaring people , but with what we are doing now, what if you give your signature for and there for gaidukevich, ldpb or for the communists, and after some time,

after the twentieth, you will have to ask a question. why didn't you sign up for this party. and instead, it seems to me that you are discussing this problem with yura a little. i seem to be socialists, well, what are we talking about waste. no, there is a little bit, another story is the consent of the law. and there is the right of the stronger not and the second too well, wonderful, but sometimes you still need to return to the mainstream of legality, still sometimes illegal. how will we be in period? it seems to me that i already spoke on the air there, uh, in 2020 in september, alexander lukashenko to meet, and told prosecutors that sometimes there is no time for laws, after uh, 1.5 years ago, alexander grigoryevich said that we all need everything - still learning to live by the law there is a time frame when the goals are sometimes reduced they are up to the law, because the time is like this, but time passes you have adapted and set here, 15. yes, that is, uh compared to that, a

period that was there 2-3 years ago 2020. i mean, a and now well, does it make sense for us to soften or not? undoubtedly, i agree that if i understood correctly, uh igor hmm, the main thing, or rather, not the main thing, is who will return. and most importantly, for the citizens inside to understand that this humane human, uh, did not see the inhumane approach. i would say so. i think that i agree, of course, and with the impression that this goal must be achieved to affect our population, which is located on territory of the republic of belarus, but i think it’s important to show that people can return and there are people who want to return, so uh, i’m sure that this vector is directed in both

directions and moreover, uh, you can’t regulate everything. here we have, uh, such a message sounds that it is necessary. everything in the law must be prescribed, then how what where? why and why? dear colleagues in the work of the commission and in work with these citizens who, uh, would like to return, everything cannot be prescribed , the commission will consider this individually. we can formalize like this. this is what we will see, what is wonderful this person can return and we can give him a chance to return and integrate into a good normal life inside the republic a on formal grounds - this will be a very pleasant mission, therefore there is andrei mukovoshchi and yuri voskresensky and the same grigory illumined. look, how do you understand your role of work in the commission. you are not a lawyer. yes, you are folk. uh, well, i don’t know, there is a person

who describes some events, and in that gives some conclusions. yes , and maybe even somewhere it’s not quite right to eat such people consider chewing gum to parsnips. yes, they did nothing against the justified, they are smart. they are very smart and that's why every day i emphasize every day starting august 8, 2020. they conducted literary digests, let me process, yes, the best results of all the most cardinal, most extremist, most terrorist telegram channels. and bring them under the law. nothing to write a fine for wrong crossing the street, so to speak, to spend certain forces of means on it, yes, and so on. i see my role in the commission, there are a lot of lawyers, investigators, yes, the invoice of the prosecutors

, they will give an invoice and everyone will perfectly see what it really is, i am in the commission. i think it's just to be on time to say that guys. yes it is in my opinion. in the case of private a, these are guys in the case of zhvalevsky and pasternak a, you do not know about this, because this is not your professional field of activity. everything, essentially. you can be the chronicler of the commission itself can simply make a collegial decision. it is understandable not from the flour carrier, and the little ones, which you diligently here, so to speak, make monsters in the palaces. here's a real decision here well, you know when a decision is made or collegial it's always probably more correct? than it is taken alone, because it takes into account all the different points of view. i, probably, with a colleague

somewhere, too, probably, do not quite coincide in terms of point of view, so this gives an opportunity. e verified some position take and take e decision, because again i will return to what, in each case, will be considered the fate of man. we should forget about it for this, and this is the fate of a citizen of the republic of belarus, and in fact, if he, as i put it, is not a loss for society. he might still be very useful. yes, the final word. it's still from the prosecutor's office will no more majority of votes majority, at least one meeting is normal. you condemn your colleagues ahead of the locomotive. i still need to know. wow still be aware that it's not just a commission, m-m gathered, someone just

reported. uh, superficial about this person, and we and the commission will immediately make a decision. after all, the secretariat will do a lot of work , it will be studied, if there is a criminal case, it means that the criminal case has been lost, all the competent authorities will be requested. we do not hide the fact that not only not only based on the materials of the case, the reasons are lying to us, but there, yes, yes, all the competent authorities, the relevant ones, will be abandoned, this person will be illuminated. i understand, i'll tell you for example, andrei pauk called me briefly. yes, i heard a great conversation. it's just that the prosecutor's office and the investigating authorities will have their own proposal there. how long can he serve? and, well, that is, he will say from the term immediately offer instead of 15 years. here's five for you. under such conditions, come from being punished and return to the family. i'll offer, just

simply offer commissions, another option. the spider travels around the country, participating in all special events and only sings songs. aura does. it's every week on full, what called serious? yes, it's fake once. all over again andrey well, then look, maybe you don't know, maybe, uh, a spider. there is yuri vladimirovna on the list in the list of those people who went well there. here you are. pay attention to what a liberal approach the members of the commission demonstrate about life, but uh for me is very uh, the information aspect is really interesting, as i said? igor this is a very important aspect. the point is that later and now we observe all their statements and fix them. i even note something. means then this will be used by our media

in order to show their active, so to speak, desire to return, for example, today i look, there is some kind of journalist and extremist. romanova says my grandmother called me. that is, it means that the information already reaches and says that a commission has been created and you can return, and it says why are you sitting there? why don't you come back, and i told her that i'm not in power yet. i will not return, they are wonderful texture, wonderful. they are groping. like water with a foot, huh? because they feel like and prickly you think spider. why did you call me just to collect materials and try to post it there on this very inexpensive one. no, it's parallel all the time. and if they will forgive me a, they will definitely forgive me, and they will definitely treat me a to me. and how much do i have with bones, and you yourself will consider or a little light? i didn't come up with this. it's that he's afraid that grisha will be him, you say that we are escalating about your surnames. well, i'm nothing

personal consideration is not an issue. fine? it is clear that the extremists, well, we have already come to there are three places for such an understanding, but those who definitely won’t get into this commission and definitely won’t come back here, but they perfectly understand what they have done, but they won’t go here. under no circumstances, as a rule, these are also people with a very radical position. and they will do it, right? well, not everyone succeeded. yes, that's all that break off, too, went. and they will not return here, they will remain, and there let's talk about those who, after all , do not create anything directly of such we have a wonderful couple here, they didn’t do anything like that, what do you think it’s just to write in telegram just write telegram just to block the road, yes, it’s nothing

to do. it's okay to just hang a white piece of paper in the window every day. it's okay. just, by the way, pieces of iron, pasternak igor you often give an example that you just got out. it's just on the road. well, are you okay? we look yes, they know what they did, they never realized that they could really take right there to detain. they themselves are not went. and they had to send a report to their grandfather. they sent a seventy-year-old old man to take pictures at the bus stop and watch what is happening on pushkinskaya well, so to speak, the approach is such a grandfather, it’s not a pity, he’s old enough to understand if you have such an approach. why then the commission, of course, everyone does not, because it is the most that they just take advantage of this mechanism, but the return is to use. well, it will be necessary to talk about the fact that in fact, here are your words, then

we don’t allow anyone, as if we allow them to come sits like a smoker came and sit in yourself. how long the commission determines how long to sit, you understand , you can see how long the prosecutor general will determine here anyway. sorry. i'm sorry, okay? how, then, how long will you have to sit and under what article to determine? forgive me for interrupting you, a person is addressing you. well, relatively speaking, something went there. did i take some selfies in august, i got scared and left in the twenties, well, donatil left something there. well, he wants to come back. here he can turn and say. you know, maybe i'm hmm yes, i've entered the fa and sort it out. i'm ready to take the punishment . better they are a significant administrative offense the same, please can less serious crimes. and what does he say? wait for the crime. and

today we are talking about the fact that the commission will not make decisions on administrative proceedings or on condemning them, replacing them with a grave crime. the court will do this, but the generator will do it back. giving comments. he said that such persons, if they repent really publicly, then perhaps they will be punished, they will be punished. they will be held accountable, but even this punishment will not be connected with imprisonment , restriction of freedom, i say correctly. alexei konstantinovich on these crimes, but i quote uh, the prosecutor general, everyone sits down is called yes but activity. yes, i have. yes, this is what it says. the application must be considered individually and nothing can be formalized in advance, which means that i regard the tin in such a way that it is not quite, uh, a specific

answer addition. the commission will not decide give him u more less, if you break it down, u into three main vectors. eh, the responses of the commission, then it is possible , if it is established that there are no administrative proceedings at all for a person , no criminal cases, then the commission will answer him that, please, return no administrative proceedings initiated, that is , simply put, there is no claim against you, if from whom the box will express, a specific personal one. uh, so to speak, no, then the commission will consider and decide before everyone gets there. up to this commission. to me it seems that such an internal judgment is to be passed, which will be tougher and more terrible than what is to come if, after all , he says to himself, yes, and they will boldly take this step. well, the connection with the fact that everyone returns for mercantile stories. i can honestly tell you

that both andrey the fly swatter and i have alena severovy igor artur all have a telegram channel, at least repent there.

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