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our viewers to get comfortable, the excellent composition of experts in this issue. i welcome our guests. thank you for taking the time. and the second part of the program is well known, russian public figure sergey kruginyan. so what awaits you and me, a meaningful conversation, security today is the number one issue with this . and let's start on monday, alexander lukashenko held a meeting with a new general road traffic accident. let me remind you that belarus is chairing the organization this year, but i would like to start with such a fragment. we look, if someone thinks that there is a conflict between ukraine and russia, this is not our conflict, that we will sit quietly somewhere, nothing like this will happen. the time will come, it is literally not far away. here it is tomorrow, when hmm this time will require to be determined to take a certain position. i am not saying that it is to the detriment of national interests and so on, but with all our

allied shortcomings. we will have to clearly define our policy and our line in order to act. i suggest, probably, your experience in this pushed together together always easier or easier such a frank and honest message to our partners in the accident as you think everyone heard. first, i'll tell you about what, from my point of view, the head of our state was leaving when he sent this message. i think that it came not so much from an appeal to solidarity to some moral feelings. how much he uttered the simple truth that it is impossible to ensure security alone in the modern world, if we draw a historical analogy, then the thirties of the 20th century, uh, in some ways resembled the modern

situation, and the ussr urged by all means to create a unified security system in europe if it were created, then the wehrmacht general staff would hardly have decided on such an adventure, because he understood that the united forces of europe of the soviet union were much larger, but preferred to sit out in their national apartments . somewhere they played their games, they got what they got, and today we have a situation similar to the need to unite in order to meet those challenges, and challenges. naturally, close to the third world war to the beginning of the third world war in order to find challenges to give an adequate response, what else do i want to say about this, our partners in the csd need to understand, uh, a simple thing, that the goals of the collective west are not small countries in the post-soviet space, their real goals are russia and china as major geopolitical competitors and they hit these targets using such a favorite method of anglo-saxon geopolitics, creating an anaconda loop well, that is, along the perimeter, creating

a hostile environment and suffocating in this hostile environment, unleashing conflicts at the borders. uh, they set up military bases there, provoking chaos, which will inevitably spill over into uh, the territory of russia, and there will be chaos, including among the partners in the csd, who will limit with russia in this sense , i want to emphasize my point again, and security. not for someone not for someone else's uncle. this is for yourself, for your people, and only together. we'll be able to provide it. alexei well, it's really involved. now we will see that last year was such a test of independence first in kazakhstan, then we saw the armenians in the azerbaijani conflict, where it is very difficult, of course, for us the situation is on the one hand. armenia is a member of the dcb on the other hand, azerbaijan is only traditional, a big partner. here it was very important not to aggravate the presence of the dcs. that is understandable, do not resolve the situation. there the task is different, but from the point of view of hearing this message that

was voiced in minsk on monday. as you see it, you know, we still need to understand that in reality the tkb is a union of sovereign states. and those who are fighting against us are large corporations, industrial banking corporations and they have an a plan for the next 15 years. this is the destruction of sovereign states. uh dive them uh, in a state of chaos. e. the complete destruction of any constitutional system of any government agencies of law enforcement agencies, uh, and. uh, the population is just such a very, uh, severe socio-economic crisis. and when the president says that, uh, this challenge will come tomorrow, the challenge is precisely connected with the confrontation between sovereign states with their own corporations, if we do not resist, and we alone will definitely not be able to resist their huge, and their assets e money supply, but together we can

resist and save our world, and most importantly, keep the world order. eh, completely different. not the one that a large corporation is now trying to impose on the national elites of these countries. ah, those who own large capitals, because the russians roughly showed that these young capitals, no matter how big they were, they were not the same. players on a large arena for them quickly at each of their place, respectively, to save your capital when you go beyond your national jurisdiction, if you are not a sovereign, it is extremely difficult, perhaps this is also a call to the fact that times have really changed now igor what do you think, but let's do it this way our opponents and even i would name enemies. here is. in general, what our country has a little less hmm is unity. with all that, of course, there in the west they also swear about how many weapons to supply uh to ukraine uh, as anyone sees

fighting in terms of national interests, but there is no single thing there, if there is such unity on our part, even if we consider the csto. well, let's just say that there are certain questions about this unity, and this is not the first time we have. uh, hmm, not the first time. the president says that we must all be united in the csto, and this is not the first time. even, probably, in this studio we are discussing to whom it was a message, and whether they will hear it, and so on, maybe. that time is coming, perhaps alexander grigorievich is talking about this when there is reason to revise the list of participants in the collective security treaty, maybe include someone new , but there are many who want to, because there are countries that understand that it is impossible to cope with the western threat alone, but maybe some countries wish . eh , leave this union, but, because from the point of view of the military, yes, and political economic it is very important to feel that your partner will be with you in any situation about leaving. yes, we are now in the chairmanship, knowing

the style and spirit of e belarus and in particular alexandra lukashenko what is called not on my shift, i agree here, but a matter of public discussion. perhaps already so long overdue. here is the csto, as an organization, what can be done, well, not declarative, but really working. what decisions should be made so that this organization still gains political and military weight? even more to the level to which it was planned, and andrei petrovich, his military point of view , a military expert yes, we heard, after all, another very important settlement, despite the fact that the context is now the most unfavorable and you can i had to refer to him and say that well, let's put off until better times the solution of some tasks that can be tolerated, but belarus, having become the chairman and the president , said this and will quote, but we have become the most difficult task, for example, here i am repeating president's words. we took the risk during our presidency to try to solve these problems that we have, and

the caucasus and central asia we have problems there. let's try to resolve them and unite the organization as much as possible. hmm difficult a task, but is it feasible at all now this year, or we will just continue to apply the main thing to start this path there. you understand, this is most likely there , the very main premise that he wanted to tell the president about, in theory, as if everyone understands that yes, if we are all together, we are much stronger, well, in practice, everyone tries to pull it anyway a blanket on ourselves, firstly, if we are talking about the dkb, it is quite such, well, an organization that is geographically very strong, well, it is located in almost the entire eurasian region. here and accordingly, what worries countries, for example, central asia worries to a lesser extent, well, for example, belarus well, and vice versa , what is happening today is great. this is understanding and talking about the fact that you won’t have to serve time. here you need, the main

thing is to understand at what stage you won’t have to serve time, because each of the republics of the members of the road accident perfectly understands what it means today to support a special military operation. it's immediately getting under the ax for the collective west it's immediately tough sanctions, which, moreover, cover all spectrums of the absolutely vital activity of the state, both external and internal, and , accordingly, whether any state is ready for this. and most importantly, we need to understand, really. do we really need those states that are really directly involved in this or that degree in this armed conflict. i mean the republic of belarus the russian federation do we need it we talk a lot about hybrid warfare. that is, today's actions are largely based on indirect actions, respectively, we are limited in obtaining some modern technologies. we are limited in obtaining some resources that we do not have, perhaps we have the opportunity to receive these resources through these countries. maybe this is not a direct military assignment. maybe it will be just

dual-use or civilian use. there we will figure out how good luck to attach it. maybe it really is. this is the exit exactly there, which allows us to get around, including males. well , as for the actual application in terms of military force, well , by and large, the military did not need much political will in order to unite us. well, as the events in january showed, in january of last year, we will need a little time for this, about one to three days, enough for us to organize this organization and our main forces. first of all, the collective forces brought into action and efficiency. i think you've seen it all. that's why to speak clearly about what we really need today to unite and oppose the collective west, or, nevertheless, we need to find other inputs and approaches in order to influence this process in the west, indeed, the message was

indeed made by the president. not just correct, but he was still later and argued with all these words. it is connected , we really need to decide who at what stage will really enter, let's move on then there was another guest in minsk whose visit to the belarusian capital caused serious irritation in the west. of course, i have it’s not enough for hungarian foreign minister petr that he dared to call the european parliament one of the most corrupt organizations in the world on the eve of shifts on the eve of his arrival in minsk. so here in minsk, with a belarusian colleague , he says that sanctions - it is wrong to discuss peaceful tracks in ukraine. they agreed on a cooperation program for the whole 23 year. and what is the main thing you see in the arrival of the hungarian minister, all over they tried to find symbols of some kind yes designations symbols. uh, besides, the head of the mead tak himself meant that his

the visit will definitely draw sharp criticism from the outside. ah, euro-strange, anglo-saxon, like a glomerate, but the question is, what did he continue to pursue? we pursue only our national interests, if it’s beneficial for us, and it’s beneficial, well, hungarian, but to be friends with belarus primarily in the economy in production. well, we will do this and we, in principle, do not care about your irritation. and that's just such an independent. eh, the position of independent politics and annoying they do not obey brussels do not obey it was possible and said a number of countries a number of ministers. ah! and the question is what? but the head of the foreign ministry is also the head of the external economic department, that is, his main task, including the solution of economic issues, and the question arises. and hungary did not support the sanctions policy. and the european union actually

receives these resources at better prices and can cooperate with belarus, russia and other countries of the eurasian space and thereby solve their national economic problems. they have lower inflation, and neighboring countries also work for production. naturally, they look. the most important thing is that the simple population is a simple worker, they look and say, and then what happens, our politicians have betrayed us, and these national politicians have been chosen. and-and his people and observes it is his interests. they are the interests of, there, america and, uh, some corporations. well, it’s more , of course, what concerns such hungarian interests . yes, of course, but in hungary, with this visit of the shining one to minsk, it turned out to be pluses in this european field on the other hand. how would, but what u for us u it is clear that the chapter mida, like any diplomat, will not say everything publicly. in general, in my opinion, in his comments after the visit, he said that

somewhere some meetings were public , some not public, it is important for us that the visit is here. hmm and a person of high office from europe is such the first sign, because many want the normalization of relations with belarus and russia, but so far it has not been collectively accepted and it is always more difficult to be the first. and the one who will be a locomotive and will first collect on himself all some kind of negativity regarding the fact that so it is impossible and impossible to work with belarus but that's good, but art came to minsk after that. surely some other political players. the europeans will come to minsk with great pleasure because they want to work with belarus and communicate with belarus. but here. we were afraid of this criticism. now all the bumps will be collected by the hungarians and then it will be a little easier for everyone else. i think that ours is for our european diplomacy, which one way or another continues to exist and exist well, because there is behind-the-scenes negotiations, not public ones, but for our public pro-western diplomacy - this is a very good starting

signal, hungary in general, she is such a white crow in the european family. we saw how now during the summit in e, in the eu everyone ran applauded, hugged, kissed zelensky, and urban defiantly kept aloof. it was visible. he emphasized it. i would also like to say a few words on this topic. i’m in solidarity with alexei alekseevich that here the fault lines pass through the ashes along, uh, the national criterion anti-national elites serve their people serve a foreign master. but what else can i say? i can note a few things, firstly, hungary is quite rigidly distancing itself from that cultural policy. which takes place in the european union from that bacchanali, bacchanali that is going on, i 'm talking about gender politics, about this cultural policy in general, or better to say the antips of pseudo cultural policy, there are strong catholic roots. eh, the hungarian people,

they do not allow us to take the path of dehumanization. uh on the path of your destruction european national culture, the second thing i want to note, but this is probably such a strong statement, but due to the fact that now everyone is very closely watching who will ultimately win the conflict in ukraine, my deep conviction that the conflict in ukraine, yes, and everyone understands this, this is not a local conflict, this is a reformatting of the world an agent of the structure of the world. and if you join the winner, you can then reap the laurels of the winner, and i think that they take this moment into account and bet on e. soi to belarus as an ally and russia here in this e-conflict. uh, i want to emphasize again, and there will be a redistribution following the results of this war. uh, peace, at least in european. eh, the continent and hungary are fully aware of the fact that now it is necessary to look, er, and er, into the future from this

angle of vision. well, at the same time , even though i noted that urban was in no hurry to evoke a special feeling for zelensky, but in the meantime , welcome. it was very warm, uh, both in the uk and in. brussels in general, this visit of zelensky is real. you expect, that he will bring some real changes on the battlefield or such a ritual story. i will not explain why. the point is that the important premise for my thesis is that the elite of the collective west still retained a colonial mindset. they do not see zelensky as a partner, as an equal figure. this is a service. this is a colony with servants is impossible. to carry on a conversation and not need to carry on a conversation as equals, they must know their place. and the fact that they play these games. he arrived there, hugged him there, and so on. it's uh, the audience. i sure that they will have completely different conversations, but from their national interests, if they pursue them at all, and, most likely, from the

instructions that they receive. well uh now. i think the following is weighed. that is, are they ready to become a participant having already thrown off their masks, they are practically already thrown off. well, it honestly depends. well, the parties to the conflict, we are fighting, uh, and the solution to this issue will depend on specific solutions. will they give planes? uh, will there be other types of weapons that can drastically turn the tide on the battlefield provided, but look andrey petrovich, here we are talking, when they indicate their position, no matter how they try to say that they just supplied these weapons, but do not participate in the conflict, but this is ridiculous. that is, it is not clear how one needs to be a distant person in order to avoid information. mm, to believe it, here is stoltenberg. e, said, in general, the important thing is to create an even stronger army in ukraine after any conclusion of the current conflict. that is, it suggests that it may be, even not only a colony, that is, this

is a permanent military hot spot, the statement of stoltenberg, who, well, as they say, does not spare words today in relation to everything, he really has such a character. uh, like maintaining this fire in the hearth of this confrontation. and today nato has taken such a position, they will give planes and they will give tanks, but only in those quantities that are necessary to maintain this conflict in order to try to destroy russia from the inside, because from the outside it is impossible to destroy a state that has the world's strongest nuclear potential, therefore it is precisely the stake that is being placed on the destruction of russia from the inside and, most importantly, how they went about this destruction from the inside. they took the path of not using the liberals today, who by and large do not have any weight against the backdrop of a special military operation to raise patriotic feelings, and they are

betting today on patriotic-minded people and dragging out the conflict actions will lead to the fact that the patriots, as in february of the seventeenth year , can, as they say, rise against the existing government and this cannot be allowed. although it is precisely with regard to nato itself that it is necessary to take a look at their military strategies, what they expect from us is some mitigation. until 2030, it is clearly spelled out for them and for the first time that in what is what in the us national security strategy that in strategy 2.000 until 2030 nato for the first time spelled out the republic of belarus where it is clearly defined that they care about human rights in our country, which supposedly violated and the second, that belarus is one of the countries that interferes with the entire world order in europe that is, what they have prepared for us. it's clearly visible, no one will talk to us. here to mind. even such words come. you know, in the background, a bent

gingerbread, when they were said by one well-known, uh, ukrainian politician, who said promise them anything you want, and we will hang them later. therefore, nato politicians must be treated very, very carefully at their time of remarks. uh, really different sentiments about zelensky’s visit, on the one hand, we saw such a spectacular tour, uh, and macrons, scholz met with charles iii, but here’s what news week writes, for example, this is one of the authoritative publications of a tour of europe that showed zelensky’s despair and the author of this article brandon call claims that zelensky is falling into despair - this is the consciousness that a meeting with european politicians does not give a result. that is , what the ukrainians might have counted on, whom zelensky should have represented, that is, there is such a place there. we have but there is something very significant, for example, with all this european tour. this is actually, madam, tikhonovskaya who when this movement with european

trips began. here her electorate was joyfully clapping their hands, and now we will live. now they will help us all with something. and so on. here is zelinsky, because plus or minus repeats exactly the same path of tikhonovskaya, this immediately causes a wow effect in the audience. that's where zelensky's tikhanovskaya and the european audience, which is watching, observes the principles of democracy, the joy of victory over e, russia and russians, and so on, and then after some time, the electorate of tikhanov’s zelensky am immediately has an idea. well, it’s good that we’ve traveled and what, no matter how farther what it affects on anything, then the europeans already have exactly the same thoughts , well, they came again, but first she. and now, when we are talking about zelensky, zelensky has arrived again and that he is again asking for money, and what's next? that is, this is an internal irritation. it seems to me, but hmm, on the one hand, our opponents. trying to cause absolutely agree irritation inside uh of us

inside the union state, but at the same time, some steps of the collective west, it seems to me that it still causes much more irritation to its audience in europe , because well, zelensky and now the topic of ukraine is fed up, and readers of the daily mail are absolutely criticizing it artificially again in the top . let's listen. now why is he even here this is not a british conflict. we must not interfere in this. we're giving british taxes to a telecomic hate-monger. why? of course, the establishment will help him. already accepted escalation decision. instead of finding a way out please note that i will not die at the forefront of such a european one, and, unfortunately, politics is such a frank opportunism, and then it all goes over and it ’s immediately fashionable for your electorate to maintain the political field, well, the status and power, uh, praise zelensky and talk about that we should stand up for ukraine in the conflict with russia. after some time, more and more fashionable, and in e. for the population becomes

other theses. zelensky is not needed. i need to help ukraine why we are doing this. why do we spend a lot of money and the same people. you have some time that they shouted that let's help zelensky. they will shout with exactly the same zeal that everything is enough, we spent too much money. why does he come, because it's just such a european, political situation. well, here is the most important thing to add. we even see from the faces of european politicians, not zelensky , that indeed they are all at an impasse. they don't know how to get out of it. they can only do. this show he can come there several times a day several times there to call to do. uh, show program, but that doesn't really solve it. the main problem is theirs. they wanted to destroy through ukraine , as it was correctly said, somewhere within a year or two, and lead russia to protests, and the collapse of the russian economy, even after russia would be conditional on them. and

naturally, they could not achieve this further to deal with china. yes, russia was able to mobilize, huh? the integration association could also unite, including union state. yes, a military group is stationed with us, and they are already forced to play this theater of the absurd to the end, but they do not really know how to get out of it. they will continue to focus only on escalation, because as soon as they stop the whole world. and most importantly, global investors. here they will sit for coffee and laugh at them very much, because they lost, but all the rest began to have questions. and what should zelensky do, and in any case, uh, he will rise sometime , regardless of how it ends the conflict in ukraine is somehow related to the words of truly ukrainian, uh, hmm representatives, here, in particular, the minister of foreign affairs kuleba, who, on february 23-24, the anniversary of the beginning of his life are expected

to quote great events that russia will remember. well, uh, on the one hand, you can't say that they're not preparing something, you can't treat it with some kind of humor and say, nothing will happen. it is clear that, e zelensky , his entire team is pr people, which means that they will prepare some kind of action, the first action, a provocation, where it will shoot on the territory, and russian federation on the border. it’s impossible to say for sure that it was fired there, but for us, for our population, for our power structures of government agencies. we must definitely be ready for any provocations and know how to respond to it, and most importantly, before that, we must collect all the information about any provocation. it just doesn't happen. yes, there are always, uh, information trails, so it’s clear that now the west needs to make some kind of strong blow to russia , information political , foreign policy, economic financial.

well, whether they succeed in this all depends primarily on how we predict them ourselves, the most dangerous thing here. this is not the first time we have discussed this. in general, it’s even a shame that listen, 8 years ago , the norman four met in minsk and discussed it. there was a chance we even saw some movements, and there were escalations, but then merkel and poroshenko were told that all this was a front. and look now, kuleba is talking about february 23-24. although a couple of weeks ago he said that there was some kind of zelensky the peace plan consists of ten points in the plan, that is, there is no smell of peace negotiations, a crisis of confidence. and here, by the way, i remember. ah, a statement, not a statement of the word silvia berlusconi by the experiments of the minister of italy, who just throws zelensky in the face, and the next one was enough for him to stop attacking the two autonomous republics of donbass and this would not have happened, therefore i evaluate the behavior of this gentleman says

berlusconi about zelensky very, very negative and real. lately , we've been seeing zelensky doing it again and again. a statement that it was he who put an end to the minsk agreements. although i remind you that he came to power, promising his voters that he would stop the bloodshed from becoming a war. that's how it is in this world, and hope for some kind of negotiations, when no one else can be trusted. watch how the conflict in ukraine will end after that, rebuild the world, that is, forget about the fact that diplomacy should work. here, how do you see it? well, in my opinion. here, too, one cannot underestimate ukraine, on the one hand, but you still need to look at it as a subject, as an object of politics, so not everything depends on one ukraine from one zelensky for one simple reason, that we are talking now on february 24-23, if you need a picture, but a picture need why first,

to show that the money that is investing today, the west will work out, what to expect on this day, and then ukraine, uh, first of all from the leadership. yes , ukraine, well, here the spectrum is very wide. yes , starting from what we witnessed and terrorist act against. we saw that there were also mailings poisoned streams. by the way, yes, explosions of the northern streams, the destruction of the crimean bridge. e attack on the air base in sevastopol that is, the same airfields in diaghilev in engels, that is, the spectrum is very, very wide. moreover, supplied weapons, well, they are actually the most modern, which are supplied today by the west, they allow somewhere at a depth of 300 to 300 km to act on this . how should we behave in this situation in this situation. you know best to answer. you were in the same situation.

you will remember on new year's eve, when they also promised to celebrate this situation best of all , general suroviki answered this situation with a massive missile strike, which, in principle, distracted not only ukraine but the entire west, that's how it is necessary to act, that is, in this situation military solution to this problem. it had all the defense attack, of course, definitely, therefore in my opinion. we were witnesses of new year's events. they really demonstrated russia's readiness and determination to defend itself in these conditions, but to find numbers. vladimir putin has a big conference planned. yes , respectively. here is what kiev is trying to do now - it is preparing the ground in order to divert media attention. and the whole world from putin’s statement, because here it seems to me, but the whole world is more likely to remember what they say and what putin will announce. and now kiev is trying, but hmm the conference in which some decisions will supposedly be made. but in general, this is such a methodology of arrestovich, talk a lot and make some

forecasts. you see something, maybe it will come true and say that you are lucky, but from the point of view. what to do? and hmm when, unfortunately, there are fewer and fewer politicians like i take horseback. and how the russians have it. uh, someone from the west spoke, and the russians have one unpleasant thing. such a trait they do what they say, yes, this is approximately how it is perceived by putin lukashenka , there are fewer such leaders, and more and more political such, well, i’ll say rude balabols and conventurers who say one thing. what will they do, really? no one understands . in general, it doesn’t have at all, accordingly, in the near future, it seems that the whole international lomatya will go further into the non-public plane. i think, in answer to your question about how to get out of a crisis of confidence , i am sure that this path will be long, uh, and not at all easy. here, the minister of affairs of russia, lavrov, said that he had no idea at all about how we would generally

reach normal relations after uh, what has been done and how much has been destroyed, but nevertheless, if we talk about the conditions for returning to normal relations, then it seems to me that several conditions must be met, first to gain one’s strength, strength , both economic and military and ideological. here i would like to recall the minister of foreign affairs of the soviet union, our countryman gromyk andrey andreyevich, who was called mr. no, of course he was not mr. and to me, he just knew how to negotiate, to be able to say compromises. he is tough and relentless and the interests were not his own, but the interesting countries that he represented, and this led to the fact that the ussr was respected, including that its interests were not considered kozyrevism, it was to surrender emotional interests. yes, to be patted on the back, namely, to be able to defend yourself, including, uh, diplomatic military and other means, and secondly, uh. i think

a reset of international institutions will be necessary. he does not work with other institutions that we see today, where he is in all these processes, no one hears at all, but after all, alexander is also a challenge to our internal such integrity, and mobilization in the military sense, but in such a mental cognitive sense absolutely right. now i would just like to move on to the fact that you in your organization have implemented this step. for a long time we have been thinking about how white russia, when there is a base, can be turned into a political party. and now they have found this way out, when the organization remains a union of yours and the party. that's how it is construction, here. is written off in the context that we are with you today discussing. well, it's just a few more seconds. i will say that i wanted to support your thesis that we must be strong not only in military and political terms, which i spoke about above, but also in ideological terms , there should not be these flirtations, partners are friends and so on, yes, and deceive yourself. we must clearly understand that we have what we

have. our country. there is our national interest and civilizational shende identity of the eastern european 116 and it must be protected, as far as, uh, parties and public associations. surely they saw one of the parcels. our country needs instruments of unity and a party. can and should be one of those tools. after all, what is a party? this is a unity built on ideology on a specific program and division. here is a certain body of value and meaning, this is a necessary condition for membership in the party , followed by the corresponding activity. strengthening the country politically in an ideological such a public worldview, or something like that, and such the kind of task the party can have to solve is very important to choose the right spiritual worldview foundations. they are the system of meanings that even today

we can call it the ideology of the belarusian statehood, which is largely reflected in the constitution in the messages that we introduced to the updated constitution at last year's referendum. and we don't have much time left, but uh, here, trying to collect the main, let's say, thoughts that were voiced today during this conversation, and we understand it’s great that now, in addition to direct military confrontation. there are much more serious ones and some call it a hybrid, some call it a proxy. but there is really a struggle of ideas , a struggle for brains. that's quite recently. ah , think tanks in the united states of america in england are, as the clock is known, atlantic council think tanks. uh, i published an article in which well, i won’t name them, our viewers are not enough, what if they say, but for specialists. these are well-known people, so look how they will tie you up. what things they write is extremely important for ukraine's friends and allies in the west to punish lukashenka's regime. we fix the first. and then

it will help the belarusian pro-democracy movement in the battle for the hearts and minds of the belarusian people by exposing that lukashenka's support for the war is a direct cause of the growing instability of economic difficulties. that is, they are now correcting the training manual, they are starting what you see with us now, here the war is at hand by the belarusians. this is where they participate. they say that they participated, which means that all our economic difficulties. e about this, that is, they forgot that the sanctions were long before their stuff. and here i want. here you are first to suggest before your answers the words of the president, who would have said last week. he said that we are talking about the price process, in fact, there is not a single meeting now that goes narrowly. only on one igor . that is, it is always considered in the complex. yes? let's hear the president today the question is more than the goal. this is the basis of a just internal order and peace in

our country. pricing is the basis of a just world in belarus, it is the main article of the agreement between the government and the people, so we must endure, we must endure, everyone must strive to save our country. i categorically declare that we have everything for this. we can't just keep it. and when this cart of the planet ends, we will be an order of magnitude higher than all the facts. today i can't. so i never cheated on you. all my predictions have always been wrong. look in short, the global girl is coming, we hear the president saying that we have everything not just to survive in these circumstances, but also to come out with a plus, which the situation requires of us. well, first of all , i would like to say here that really hmm because. we can say that the west is trying in every possible way to turn away from us. well, let's call it that, then

definitely. we are already opting for a completely electro- really eastern, this is already evident. well, it's getting stronger in all directions. well, interaction with the russian federation is, as they say. in priora, as a constant, it should be very global today interact. today, within the framework of the csto. first of all, as in the organization of the state , we not only form actions there or conduct exercises there , we interact with collective forces within the framework of this organization, but also develops very widely in the educational military sphere. e tendencies have been outlined very widely and a lot. we work in the scientific field. uh, we maintain very serious cooperation with the people's republic of china, primarily with the people's liberation army. china that's what i want say that here is vector east which is selected. i think for us, uh, first of all, it is promising for the coming years, maybe even for the next decade. on this, one can say that we must

definitely go into the pluses today, even if we look to the west. you see, all globalist ideas have faded into the background, everyone has completely begun to engage in the restoration of the military-industrial complex. what is military industrial complex military industrial complex any in any case, it's a boost or any economy, that is anyway. the component for the impetus for the development of the state in general , as such in the economic in the political, it shows how strong this state is really, if it has strong power, then, accordingly, it is strong power. it can show itself only in these difficult conditions of the situation, where it is really necessary to make strong-willed decisions and bring these strong-willed decisions to the end. uh, our conclusions are what we should be in order to pass this track, you know, here is the president, he speaks clearly, he speaks the idea of ​​justice. yes, and uh, according to the lassoal propaganda of the first world war. it clearly says what war is. this is a war of ideas against ideas, that is, our idea, it is the

strongest, because it is very difficult to break it. and that's why the president is not pushing the ideas of some kind of free market. let's develop private corporations, let's develop. he says, no, we need to develop in such a way that everyone who comes to the store feels this justice. they are so coming to the store. i was able to buy it. here you are us general justice is expressed, there will be no justice, internal conflicts will always begin. this one earns more, this one earns less, this one can afford more. this should not be, and uh, it should be noted that the president did not only talk about prices and about the uneven distribution of income. this is also injustice, and our task now is to make sure that our opponents are ours. well, let's just call it directly, the enemies did not use any technology, ideological in order to rock our society. uh, showing what you see u that there, a better car than yours. go there to commit. yes, this is unfair in

reality, why are we at all levels? here the president says everyone should protect e our country, because at all levels in all regions of distant points. ah, those in charge of outreach should go and speak to the public. thanks a lot. ah, often the simplest. and at the same time, the most difficult thing, yes, everyone should, uh, do their own, uh, business well at each specific workplace, but also solve those problems that we have in our country, as well as in any country in the world. they are some problems , sore points, just the same, the collective west is trying to put pressure on us and is trying to subdue us from the inside, relying on some of our internal problems. and it would be extremely stupid in this situation to turn a blind eye to some problems, and closing your eyes will not solve the problem for sure, therefore, if suddenly we have some points of tension in society. and it could be prices. it could be an uneven distribution of income. it might be a question. don't know what to do with fugitive return do not return.

and these problems need to be quickly resolved, not allowing these sometimes strictly financial, strictly economic, strictly social petty problems, starting with a hole in the road, but so that they do not develop into political problems when, due to a hole in the road in some city . trying to get the people in this city kind of against the authorities, although the problem. it's easy in the pit, but there was no timely solution, so the first to see the problem. now it is extremely important to honestly see them, recognize them and solve them. uh, if we will do it quickly and accurately, then, in general. these are western attempts to influence us we will not be afraid. thank you alexander. i think that in order for them to reach a higher level and get stronger and to be here, the post, uh, the war era is among the leaders of the world, we also need to solve this problem, and this is the problem of parting with the illusions and myths that modern public consciousness is full of . after all

, many people sincerely believe that, well, everything is in order in the world. in general, uh, people there in the west and in general everywhere they are good, they want to be friends to trade there to marry. and here we are talking about some kind of wars about the fact that we need to have a strong army, and to consider such a formulation of the question as inadequacy. rather, on the contrary, it is the inadequacy of living in this illusion of such a complacent and kind world, in which we must enter. well, in addition, there are a lot of other myths and historical myths, and in this sense , the work that is being carried out in our country , these dialogue platforms that have become a political e, a brand or a brand of political e, culture, and our society they must continue. and in general, this work with consciousness, which, among other things , is being carried out by our association and by many, uh, others. e subjects of this process, there is social science. well, for many, it must continue and become even more active and truly effective. to be honest, there is an unplowed field in this in this plane to work. e need. well, thank you

very much. thank you for participating in our program. but we continue the program in a couple of minutes, the well-known russian political scientist and public figure sergey kruginyan. so stay with us. we continue, the events taking place require not only careful recording, but first of all it is important to see the deep meanings of the cause-and-effect relationship. to do this, you must agree, we need not just experts , real thinkers, and we are glad that today we have the opportunity to communicate with one of them online sergey kurginyan sergey ivanovich hello, thank you for finding uh time for us. thank you for inviting. ah, at the suggestion of individual representatives of the ukrainian country, the topic of korean scenario for ukraine, that's how you feel about probability perfectly. they will never go for it.

let's divide under the dnieper that is, this will be the thirty-eighth parallel ukraine let's divide under it what korea is divided korea is divided, ukraine for god's sake yes take this lviv and everything else for yourself and uh, how would you exercise there, as you like, even though the poles at least someone yes for god's sake what's the problem? one that this will never be understand? why is it never out of the question? boris nikolayevich yeltsin please, he had sometimes very vivid tirades. yes, such people once asked him provocatively like that. but tell me, please, is it possible for a jew to become the head of the russian state?

this will not accept the policy. he's so shot. yes, there is no ukrainian politics inside, we will not accept this again. and the second will not accept it. west it is not necessary. nobody needs it, eternal war. well, the problem lies in this once who gorbachev told me already somewhere in his fund that while you were still some petty research fellows. i went there to meet with twenty-two very influential people, in my opinion, he said to paris, i didn’t say mikhail sergeevich europe is dead and will be dead until the russian cauldron boils. here the russian cauldron boiled, who needs to stop it, macbeth's witches sit and say, and i'll blow. into the sieve. thank you you for the fact that the boiler is boiling. yes, and they only accurately verify the temperature. they need a brew that is simmered on a slow fire. yes, it is not necessary so once and for all. yes, we are here

in conditions where we will not do anything unilaterally. they will impose a war, it must be won. they talk russian cauldron in order to achieve a result, and we must achieve a result from this warm-up b. just don't talk like that all the time. it is not known that first what is satanism, and then that we together with the americans won the cold war. well, don't do this, i beg you. well , they can't look at you. guys, you are in official positions looking at you and predatory smiled at all my sympathies. not on the side. those who under smiles. why do you give such a reason so impossible. this i say, not to you of course, but to those who bend it all. yes, the names there are so familiar, something from the soviet era. yes , that's the point here. that we

can only do one thing, but we can? create and tap the potentials of new lives from energy of the russian boiler, which no one will stop. slowly, calmly, not without some kind of dramatization, you need to extract this energy of new life. we need to prepare for even much more troubles, we need to do everything possible, and thank god that this is so that this is not discharged by any nuclear war. nobody needs her. this means that the temperature in the boiler jumped sharply, yes, right away, but you need to change your life. this is the worst thing they are afraid of, you need to seriously calmly change your life, leaving all the best, that they have been able to earn. well, you managed to do something, damn it, and this is the best to connect not directly with

some kind of restoration structures, but with rethought modules of the past , the rethought nobility will be crushed so you will put yourself in. then they will start negotiations. well, i don't know, like the cold war model or anything. uh, the general on general issues will always hate, plot intrigues all the time , set fire to something somewhere along the borders, but right now they will not go over to a nuclear war if they go over to any. magical it they have nothing to do, or a space replacement. there are nuclear, so to speak, devices with some kind of rods from outer space. yes , so that the effect was just as destructive, but without infection. so it seems to me that there are madmen who want a nuclear war, but there are not many of them. so we need to move there. we

will not change this constant and do not listen to what someone in ukraine is talking about, no one will share anything. nobody will share anything. it will be completely different to strike more, as if tangibly, using more separate patient weapons and attempts to create. revenge. here are the new details around. uh, northern streams investigation by an american journalist seymra. hersh, convincingly proves that the americans staged a terrorist attack, the norwegians helped, but can this information affect anything at all , given that, for example, the western press, it defiantly ignores this sensational material or even tries to turn hershe into a traitor, or even a madman . oh, can i say, there is one thing, really very talented journalist. i know an investigative journalist. yes, he stands there 10 well -trained spies. yes, he is a nimble guy

and can sniff out everything, but in one percent of 100 cases. this is such a talent. yes, the eccentric is always such a slightly kooked such a sniffer. yes, this is a very important figure on the margin - it's not quite this, but in all other cases. i want plums to remember this. these plums are journalists with experience , authority and a corresponding reputation, who are given information, and they draw up, and so it was always there the twentieth century. and not only that, so the question is who leaked all this to hersh. who leaked it to him, but who leaked it, he wants something, yes, but what he wants is what he eats. the most important intrigue in this field, so the question here

is that of course everyone will be hushed up and everyone will be indignant, but this hersh, this is not an osanzh. he is not a suicide, he is from the elite, he is a respectable person. if he realized that it would be a strong b-bom for him , he wouldn’t do it, you know, in some way. uh, it means that it was as if one of the leaders of the pravda newspaper told me in the soviet era that we are not a magazine of rural life. we don't have directives , we have pnd management, do we have to guess what to print? and that there is no pnd board , so hersh is controlled by trends. he understands where it is possible, where it is impossible. he ingeniously senses where this is a justified risk. for which there will be e gingerbread and there will not be very much bo-bo. and where is this madness, and he won’t go crazy, i repeat, this is not osanj, and it’s not easier, which means he’s cold

calculated everything he spoke with modest people with grayish faces. yes. uh, not only from the cia, i think. well, somewhere cooler. there is a department more abruptly. so i realized that you can. yes, i received the material, checked it and leaked it. having issued it literary for this they give pulsar prizes, but you understand for nothing else, and for another bullet the vlog does not lie down. even when the president, because when a journalist, even more so. and here's an important point, because there is still one operation under the direct supervision of biden's national security adviser sulleev on was conceived and developed even before the start of the special operation in ukraine, and russia’s indignation is understandable, but will the germans calmly swallow the fact that, in general, the main goal of undermining is to deprive europe of cheap gas to bring down industrial power, first of all

germany germany is absolutely not sovereign. absolutely well, i don’t know, i always said something, there, that i talked when the soviet period, when i headed the center for strategic research of representatives of the ministers of the ussr, and there i talked with such john frost, so he said that if only germany starts connect with russia on the ruins of the soviet union, yes, then it will be a nuclear war in europe, yes, but i can say much more about the head of one of the large ones, well , understandable of this orientation is more us, sympathetic to the german parties, i was talking to me right in the europe parliament building. so what about german. so what, i can build socialism in germany in 2 weeks. in 2 weeks i 'll take a few steps, and there will be socialism. and what then, then what are you? you understand that then give up military repression,

this will all end, so instead of saying in order to do business, yes, and a new system in germany we will discuss the details of contracts, between hmm employers said to me with a dull look, then looked and said what you did, what you did. emphasize that this is a large figure rather large. so, it's just there that it's all tightly grasped. maybe i don’t fully know how exactly i was captured, but you understand tightly, tightly. there is no germany germany is not sovereign europe is not sovereign and in this sense all our attempts to find something, for example, ultra-right, yes, well, at least some rude things if we didn't manage to enter europe, let's at least rub something with someone. it is fit for torture, not deplorably useless means.

do you understand? well, no, there's nothing guys. it will not help, not in any, there is a conditional alain case, or some kind of this very thing. pen was mortified there, or someone else did fraternal unity. i do not know that the right of russia on the right of europe is a bluff of the left and a wild trash now all over the world they are destroyed. uh, as if they were turned into some kind of perverted mess and you still don’t understand what. well, people are watching if there is nothing in the center. and why not go to the right from here and before lunch? yes, but it makes no sense, there is external control. and uh, they have some variations. what bidens and obamas or trumps they have there, it doesn’t matter. there inside there is a core and cast.

the core of the elite, which will manage in a simple way, we change the means of achieving power with the constancy of the goal of retaining the strengthening of power, the whole cold face of such a decrepit, but decrepit master of the world, which he, of course, decrepit and likes to talk about, he will demystify, but he remains owner. yes, everyone says, look look, he has a fifth pigment on his hands. yes, there are spots on the hands, and you see the claws, but the claws are still the same look, this is an old tiger, he has such yellow teeth, they are yellow, but if he squeezes, it will be bad on your throat, get ready for strength. look for sources of strength in yourself, in your history, in your people, in your experience sergey ivanovich thank you for participating in the program. thank you. thank you. always with you it was a fragment of a conversation with the leader of the essence of time movement, political scientist sergei kurginyan. well, today she is all thank you for

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