in 8.000 m² of the inhabitants of the region, they complain of burning eyes and shortness of breath. many required medical attention , tens of thousands of dead fish washed ashore. the saddest thing in this story is that the sea surf will be cleared of poisonous algae not earlier than in a month. this promises problems not only for the health of citizens, but also for the tourism business. more information from my colleagues at 15:00. i say goodbye to you on this. all the best. hello, i just want to wish

our viewers to get comfortable excellent composition of experts in this issue. i welcome our guests. thank you for taking the time. and the second part of the program is well known, russian public figure sergey kruginyan. so what awaits you and me is a meaningful conversation. today security is the number one issue with this . and let's start on monday, alexander lukashenko held a meeting with the new general secret of the csc. let me remind you that belarus is chairing the organization this year, but i would like to start with this fragment. we look, if someone thinks that there is a conflict in ukraine and russia, this is not our conflict, that we will sit quietly somewhere, nothing like this will happen. the time will come, it is literally not far away. here it is tomorrow, when this time will need to be determined to take a certain position. i am not saying that it is to the detriment of national

interests and so on, but with all our allied shortcomings. we will have to clearly define our policy and our line in order to act. i suggest, probably, and your experience to this was pushed together together it is always easier such a frank and honest message to our partners in an accident, do you think everyone heard. first, i'll tell you about what, from my point of view, the head of our state was leaving when he sent this message. i think that it came not so much from an appeal to solidarity to some moral feelings. how much he spoke the simple truth that it is impossible to ensure security alone in the modern world, if we draw a historical analogy, then the thirties of the 20th century, uh, in some ways resembled the current situation, and the ussr urged by all means

to create a unified security system in europe if it had been created, then the general staff of the wehrmacht would hardly have decided on such an adventure, because he understood that the united forces of europe of the soviet union were much larger, but they preferred to sit out in their national apartments. somewhere they played their games, they got what they got, and today we have a situation similar to the need to unite in order to meet those challenges, and challenges. really close to the third world war to the beginning of the third world war in order to find challenges to give an adequate answer, what else do i want to say on this occasion, our partners in the cst need to understand, uh, a simple thing, that the goals of the collective west are not small countries in the post-soviet space, their real goals are russia and china as major geopolitical competitors and they hit these goals using such a favorite method anglo-saxon geopolitics, creating a loop

of anaconda well, that is, along the perimeter, creating a hostile environment and suffocating in this hostile environment, unleashing conflicts on the borders. uh, setting up military bases there, provoking the chaos that is inevitable it will overflow on e, the territory of russia, and there will be chaos, including among the partners in the csd, which borders on russia in this sense. once again i want to emphasize my point, a security. not for someone not for someone else's uncle. this is for yourself, for your people, and only together. we'll be able to provide it. alexei well, it's really involved. now we will see that last year was such a test of independence , first in kazakhstan, then we saw the armenians and the azerbaijani conflict, where it is very difficult, of course. for us, the situation is with one sides. armenia is a member of the dcb on the other hand, azerbaijan is so traditional, a big partner. here it was very important not to aggravate the presence of an accident, that is, understandably, not to resolve the situation. there the task is different, but from

the point of view of hearing this message that was voiced in minsk on monday. as you can see, you know, we still need to understand that in reality this is the tkb - this is a union of sovereign states. and those who are fighting against us are large corporations, industrial banking corporations and they have a plan for next 15 years. this is the destruction of sovereign states. uh immerse them, and in a state of chaos. e. the complete destruction of any constitutional system of any government agencies of law enforcement agencies, uh, and. and the immersion of the population, just such a very, uh, severe socio-economic crisis. and when the president says that, uh, this challenge will come tomorrow, the challenge is just related to the confrontation of sovereign states with their those corporations, if we do not resist, and we alone will definitely not be able to resist their huge, and their asset e money supply ,

but together we can resist and save our world, and most importantly, keep the world in order. eh, completely different. not the one that large corporations are trying to impose now. i will suggest to the national elites of these countries those who own large capitals, because the russians, for example, showed that these young capitals, no matter how big they were, they were not the same. players in the big arena im quick at each their place, respectively save your capital when you go beyond your national jurisdiction, if you don't the sovereign is extremely difficult, perhaps this is also a call to the fact that times have really changed now igor what do you think, but let's do it with our opponents and even i would call enemies. here is. in general, what our country has a little less hmm is unity. despite the fact that, of course, there in the west they also swear about how many weapons to supply e to ukraine e,

how anyone sees the fighting in from the point of view of national interests, but there is some kind of only thing there if such unity with our side, even if consider the csto. well, let's just say that there are certain questions about this unity, and this is not the first time we have. uh, hmm, not the first time. the president says that we must all be united in the csto, and this is not the first time. even, probably, in this studio we are discussing to whom it was a message, and whether they will hear it, and so on, maybe. the time is coming, perhaps, alexander grigoryevich is talking about this, when there is a reason to revise the list of participants in the collective security treaty, maybe include someone new, but those who wish there are many, because there are countries that understand that it is impossible to cope with the western threat alone, but maybe some countries will. uh, to leave this union, because from the point of view of the military, yes, and political economic it is very important to feel that your partner will be with you in any situation

about leaving. yes, we are now in the chairmanship, knowing the style and spirit of belarus and, in particular, alexander lukashenko what is called not on my shift, i agree here, but a matter of public discussion. perhaps already quite long overdue. here is the csto, as an organization, what can be done, well, not declarative, but really working . what decisions should be made so that this organization still gains political and military weight? even more to the level to which it was planned, and andrei petrovich, his military point of view, is a military expert . yes, we heard another very important settlement, despite the fact that the contexts are now the most unfavorable and one could refer to it and say that well, okay, we postpone the solution of some problems for better times, who can suffer, but belarus became the chairman and the president said about it, i will quote, but the most difficult tasks have become, for example, here i am. hmm, i will repeat the words of the president. we took the risk during our presidency to try to solve these

problems that we have, and the caucasus of central asia is where we have problems. let's try to resolve them and unite the organization as much as possible. hmm, a difficult task, but is it doable at all now this year , or are we just the main thing to start this way there it will be applied further. you understand, this is most likely there, the very main premise that the president wanted to talk about, in theory, as if everyone understands that yes, if we are all together, we are much stronger, but in practice everyone tries to pull the blanket anyway on ourselves, firstly, if we are talking about the dkb, it is quite such, well, an organization that is geographically very strong, well, it is located in almost the entire eurasian region. so, accordingly, what worries countries, for example, central asia is less concerned about, well, for example, belarus well, and vice versa, what is happening today is great. this is understanding and talking about the fact that you won’t have to serve time.

here you need, the main thing is to understand at what stage you won’t have to serve time, because each of the republics of the members of the road accident perfectly understands what it means to support a special military operation today. it is immediately to fall under the ax for the collective west, these are immediately harsh sanctions, which, moreover , cover all spectrums of the absolutely vital activity of the state, as external, and internal and, accordingly, whether any state is ready for this. and most importantly, we need to understand, really. do we really need those states that are really directly involved in this or that degree in this armed conflict. i mean the republic of belarus the russian federation do we need it we talk a lot about hybrid warfare. that is , today's actions are largely based on indirect actions, respectively, we are limited in obtaining some modern technologies. we are limited in obtaining some resources that we do not have, perhaps we have the opportunity to receive these resources through these countries. maybe this is not

a direct military assignment. maybe it will be just dual-use or civilian use. there we will figure out how good luck to attach it. maybe it really is. this is the exit exactly there, which allows us to get around, including males. well , as for the actual use in terms of military force, then well, there are a lot of military to a large extent, political will was not required in order for us to unite. well, as the events in january showed, in january of last year, we will need a little time for this, about one to three days, enough for us to organize this organization and our main forces. first of all, the collective forces brought into action and efficiency. i think you've seen all hello. that is why it is unequivocal to say that we really need to unite today and oppose the collective west, or, after all, we it is necessary to find other inputs and approaches in order to influence this

process on the west, indeed, the president’s message was really made not only correct, but he was further argued by all of them in his words. it is connected , you really need to decide who will really enter at what stage, let's move on, then there was another guest in minsk and whose visit to the belarusian capital caused serious irritation in the west. of course, i mean the head of the hungarian foreign ministry, petr, not only on the eve of his arrival in minsk he dared to call the european parliament one of the most corrupt organizations in the world. so here in minsk, with a belarusian colleague , he says that sanctions - it is wrong to discuss peaceful tracks in ukraine. they took and agreed on a cooperation program for the whole 23 year. and what is the main thing you see in the arrival of the hungarian minister, everyone was looking for some symbols, some symbols yes, symbols. uh, moreover, the head of the foreign ministry, tak, indicated that his

visit would definitely cause sharp criticism from sides. ah, euro-strange, anglo-saxon, like a glomerate, but the question is what he continued to pursue, we pursue exclusively our national interests, if it’s beneficial for us, and it’s beneficial, well, hungarian, to be friends with belarus, first of all in the economy in production. well, we will do this and, in principle, your irritation is not important to us. and that's just such an independent. eh, the position of independent politics and annoying they do not obey brussels does not obey it was possible and said a number of countries a number of ministers. ah! and what is the question? but the head of a mida he's in including the head of the external economic department, that is, its main task, including the solution of economic issues, and the question arises. and hungary, without supporting

the sanctions policy, and the european union actually receives these resources at better prices , can cooperate with belarus, russia, and other countries of the eurasian space and thereby solve its national economic problems. they have lower inflation, and neighboring countries also work for production. naturally, they look. the most important thing is simple the population of a simple worker looks and says, and then what happens, our politicians have betrayed us, and these national politicians have been chosen. uh, his people and observes it is his interests. they are the interests of america and not some corporations. well, it’s more , of course, what concerns such hungarian interests . yes, of course, but hungary, with this visit of the shining one to minsk , has turned out to be pluses in this european field on the other hand. no matter what, what is for us it is clear that the head of the foreign ministry, like any diplomat, will not say everything publicly.

in general, in my opinion, in his comments after the visit, he said that somewhere some meetings were public , some not public, it is important for us that this is a visit, and a person of high office from europe is such first swallow. after all, many want to normalize relations with belarus and russia, but so far it has not been collectively accepted and it is always more difficult to be the first. and the one who will be the locomotive and will first collect all some kind of negativity about the fact that it’s impossible and impossible to work with belarus that's good, but art came to minsk after that. surely some other political players. the europeans will come to minsk with great pleasure because they want to work with belarus and communicate with belarus but here. we were afraid of this criticism. now all the bumps will be collected by the hungarians and then it will be a little easier for everyone else. i think that ours is for our european diplomacy, which one way or another continues to exist and exist well, because there are behind-the-scenes negotiations, not public, but, but for our public pro-western

diplomacy - this is a very good starting signal, hungary in general, she is such a white crow in the european family. we saw how now during the summit in uh, in the eu , everyone ran applauding, hugging, kissing zelensky, while urban defiantly kept aloof. it was visible. he emphasized it. i would also like to say a few words on this topic. i’m daren and alexey alekseevich, the fact that here the fault line runs along e, the criterion of the national anti-national elite, serve their people serve as a foreign host. but what else can i say? i can note a few things, firstly, hungary is quite rigidly distancing itself from that cultural policy. which takes place in the european union from that bacchanalia, bacchanalia that is going on, i 'm talking about gender politics, about this cultural policy in general, or better to say anti pseudo cultural policy, there are strong

catholic roots. eh, the hungarian people, they do not allow us to take the path of dehumanization. uh, on the way to the destruction of their european national culture, the second, what else i want to note, but this is probably such a strong statement, but due to the fact that now everyone is very closely watching who will ultimately win the conflict in ukraine my deep conviction that the conflict in ukraine is yes, and that’s all . it understands. this is not a local conflict, this is a reformatting of the world, the geo-structure of the world. and if you join the winner , you can then reap the laurels, er, the winners, and i think that they take this moment into account and rely on sia on belarus as an ally of russia in this er conflict. e, i i want to emphasize again, and to emphasize that there will be a redistribution following the results of this war. uh, peace, at least in european. eh, the continent and hungary are fully aware of the fact that now

it is necessary to look, er, and er, into the future from this angle of vision. well, at the same time , we at least i noted that urban was in no hurry. hmm, to show a special feeling for zelensky but in the meantime, welcome. it was very warm, uh, both in the uk and in. brussels in general, this visit of zelensky is what you really expect, that it will bring some real changes on the battlefield or such a ritual story. no, i'll explain why. the fact is that the important premise for my thesis is that the elite of the collective west still retained colonial thinking. they do not see zelensky as a partner, as an equal figure. this is a service. this is a colony, a colony with servants is impossible. to carry on a conversation and not need to carry on a conversation as equals , they must know their place. and the fact that they play these games. he arrived there , hugged him there, and so on. it's uh, the audience. i'm sure the conversations will be very different go, but from their national interests, if they pursue them at all, b and, most

likely from the instructions that they receive. well uh now. i think the following is weighed. that is, are they ready to become a participant already having thrown off their masks, they are practically so thrown off. well, it honestly depends. well, the parties to the conflict, we are fighting, uh, and the solution to this issue will depend on specific decisions. will they give planes? uh, will there be other types of weapons that can radically turn the tide on the battlefield provided, but look andrei petrovich, here we are talking when they indicate their position, no matter how they try to say that they just supplied these weapons, but they are involved in conflicts, but this is ridiculous. that is, it is not clear how one needs to be a distant person in order to avoid information. mm, to believe it, here is stoltenberg. e, said, in general, the important thing is to create an even stronger army in ukraine after any conclusion of the current conflict. that is, it suggests that maybe, not even only a colony,

that is, this is a permanent military hot spot statement by stoltenberg, who, well, as they say, does not spare words today in relations. he really is. e has such a character. uh, like maintaining this fire in the hearth of this confrontation. and today nato has taken such a position, they will give both planes and tanks, but only in those quantities that are necessary to maintain this conflict in order to try to destroy russia from the inside, because the outside from the outside it is impossible to destroy a state that has the world's strongest nuclear potential, which is why the stake is on the destruction of russia from the inside and, most importantly, how they went about this destruction from the inside. they took the path of not using the liberals today, who by and large do not have any weight against the backdrop of a special military operation to raise

patriotic feelings, and they are betting today on patriotic-minded people and dragging out the conflict actions will lead to the fact that the patriots, as in february of the seventeenth year , can, as they say, rise against the existing government and this cannot be allowed. although it is precisely with regard to nato itself that it is necessary to look at their military strategies, what they expect from us is some kind of mitigation. until 2030, it is clearly spelled out for them and for the first time what in what in the us national security strategy, what in strategy 2.000 until 2030, nato for the first time spells out the republic of belarus, where it is clearly defined that they care about human rights in our country, which supposedly violated and the second, that belarus is one of the countries that interferes with the entire world order in europe that is, what they have prepared for us. it's clearly visible, no one will talk to us. here to mind. even

such words come. you know, in the background, a bent gingerbread, when they were said by one well-known, uh, ukrainian politician, who said he promises them anything, and we will hang them later. therefore, nato politicians must be treated very, very carefully at their time of remarks. uh, really different sentiments about zelensky's visit, on the one hand, we saw such a spectacular tour, uh, and macrons , scholz met with karl the third, but here's what new sweek writes, for example, this is one of the authoritative publications of the european tour, which showed zelensky's despair and the author of this article brandon- kol claims that zelensky is falling into despair - this is the consciousness that a meeting with european politicians does not give a result. that is , what the ukrainians might have counted on, who should have been represented by zelensky, that is, there is such a place. at we have such a very revealing example with all this european and e-tour. this is actually, madam, tikhanovskaya, who when this movement with european

trips began. here her electorate was happily clapping their hands. let's live now. now they will help us all with something. and so on. here is zelinsky, because plus or minus repeats exactly the same path of tikhonovskaya, this immediately causes a wow effect in the audience. that's where zelensky's tikhanovskaya and the european audience, which is watching, observes the principles of democracy, the joy of victory over e, russia and russians, and so on, and then after some time, the electorate of tikhanov’s zelensky am immediately has an idea. well, it’s good that we’ve traveled and what, no matter how farther what it affects on anything, then the europeans already have exactly the same thoughts , well, they came again, but first she. and now, when we are talking about zelensky, zelensky has arrived again and that he is again asking for money, and what's next? that is, this is an internal irritation. it seems to me, but hmm, on the one hand, our opponents. trying to cause absolutely agree irritation inside uh of us

inside the union state, but at the same time, some steps of the collective west, it seems to me that it still causes much more irritation to its audience in europe , because well, zelensky and now the topic of ukraine is fed up, and readers of the daily mail are absolutely criticizing it artificially again in the top . let's listen. now why is he even here this is not a british conflict. we must not interfere in this. we're giving british taxes to a telecomic hate-monger. why? of course, the establishment will help him. already accepted escalation decision. instead of finding a way out please note that i will not die at the forefront of such a european one, and, unfortunately, politics is such a frank opportunism, and then it all goes over and it ’s immediately fashionable for your electorate to maintain the political field, well, the status and power, uh, praise zelensky and talk about that we should stand up for ukraine in the conflict with russia. after some time, more and more fashionable, and in e. for the population becomes

other theses. zelensky is not needed. i need to help ukraine why we are doing this. why do we spend a lot of money and the same people. you have some time that they shouted that let's help zelensky. they will shout with exactly the same zeal that everything is enough, we spent too much money. why does he come, because it's just such a european, political situation. well, here is the most important thing to add. we even see on the faces of european politicians. not zelensky that indeed they are all at an impasse. they they don't know how to get out of it. they can only do. this show he can come there several times a day several times there to call to do. uh, show program, but that doesn't really solve it. the main problem is theirs. they wanted to destroy through ukraine , as it was correctly said, somewhere within a year or two, and lead russia to protests, and the collapse of the russian economy, even

after russia would be conditional on them. and naturally, they could not achieve this further to deal with china. yes, russia was able to mobilize, huh? ma-could unite and the integration association, including the union state, yes, the rocca military group is stationed with us, and they are already forced to play this theater of the absurd to the end, but they don’t really know the way out of it. they will continue to focus only on escalation, because as soon as they stop the whole world. and most importantly, global investors. here they will sit for coffee and laugh at them very much, because they lost, but everyone else started. and what should zelensky do, and in any case , he will rise someday, regardless of of how the conflict in ukraine will end, uh, how to relate to the words of truly ukrainian uh, hmm representatives, here, in particular, the minister of foreign affairs kuleba, who, here, says on february 23-24 the anniversary of the beginning of his life is expected

to quote great events that russia will remember. well, uh, on the one hand, you can't say that they're not preparing something, you can't treat it with some kind of humor and say, nothing will happen. it is clear that e zelensky , his entire team is pr people. so some kind of action first action provocation they will cook where it will shoot on the territory, and the russian federation on the border. it’s impossible to say for sure that it was fired there, but for us, for our population, for our power structures of government agencies. we must definitely be ready for any provocations and know how to respond to it, and most importantly, before that, we must collect all the information about any provocation. it just doesn't happen. yes , there are always, uh, information trails, so it’s clear that now the west needs to make some kind of strong blow against russia information political

foreign policy economic financial. well, whether they succeed in this all depends primarily on how we predict them ourselves, the most dangerous thing here. this is not the first time we have discussed this. in general, it’s even a shame that listen, 8 years ago , the norman four met in minsk and discussed it. there was a chance we even saw some movements, and there were escalations, but then merkel and poroshenko were told that all this was a front. and look now, kuleba is talking about february 23-24. even though a couple of weeks ago says that there is some kind of ten-point peace plan from zelensky in the plan, that is, there is no smell of peace negotiations, a crisis of confidence. and here, by the way, i remember. ah, a statement, not a statement of the word silvia berlusconi by the experiments of the minister of italy, who just throws zelensky in the face, and the following was enough for him to stop attacking the two autonomous republics of donbass and this would not have happened, therefore i

evaluate the behavior of this gentleman says berlusconi about zelensky very, very negative and real. last time we see that zelensky again and again makes a statement that he put an end to the minsk agreements. although i remind you that he came to power, promising his voters that he would stop the bloodshed. stop the war. that's how it is in this world, and hope for some kind of negotiations, when no one else can be trusted. forces to watch how the conflict in ukraine will end after that, rebuild the world, that is , forget about the fact that diplomacy should work. here, how do you see it? well, in my opinion. here, mmm, too, can not be underestimated ukraine on the one hand, but it should still be looked at not as a subject. and as an object of politics, therefore, not everything is far dependent on one ukraine from one zelensky for one simple reason, that we are talking now on february 24-23, if you need a picture, but

you need a picture why first, to show that the money that invests today, the west, they will be worked out, what to expect on this day, otherwise ukraine, uh, first of all from the leadership. yes, ukraine, well, here the spectrum is very wide. yes, starting from we were witnesses of a terrorist act against. we saw that the northern streams were also poisoned. by the way , yes, explosions of the northern streams, the destruction of the crimean bridge. e attack on the air on the naval base in sevastopol that is, the same diaghilev airfields in engels, that is, the spectrum is very, very wide. moreover , the supplied weapons, well, they are actually the most modern, which are supplied today by the west, they allow somewhere at a depth of 300 to 300 km to act on this. this. we must how to behave in this situation in this situation. you know best to answer. you were in the same situation.

you will remember on new year's eve, when they also promised to celebrate this situation best of all , general suroviki answered this situation with a massive missile strike, which, in principle, distracted not only ukraine but the entire west, that's how it is necessary for you here, that is, in this situation a military solution to this problem. it had a high defense attack, of course, of course, therefore, in my opinion, we were witnessing new year's events. they really demonstrated the readiness and determination of russia to defend itself in these conditions, but to find the numbers. vladimir putin has a big conference planned. yes , respectively. here is what kiev is trying to do now - it is preparing the ground in order to divert media attention. and the whole world from putin’s statement, because here it seems to me, but the whole world will rather remember what they say and what putin will announce. but kiev is already trying, and distracting from this topic by making stuffing about something will happen, there and at the conference in it will supposedly be taken by some solutions. but in general, this is such a methodology

of arrestovich, we talk a lot and make some forecasts. you see something, maybe it will come true and say that you are lucky, but from the point of view. what to do? and hmm when, unfortunately, there are fewer and fewer politicians like i take horseback. and how are the russians there? uh, someone from the west spoke, and the russians have one unpleasant thing. such a trait they do what they say, yes, this is approximately how it is perceived by putin lukashenko , there are fewer such leaders, and more and more political ones, well, i’ll say rude balabols and conventurers who say one thing to do. in fact, no one understands, it doesn’t have at all, accordingly, in the near future, it seems that the whole international lomatya will go further into the non-public plane. i think i answer your question. uh about how you want to meet the trust sure that this path will be long, uh, and not easy at all. here , russian foreign minister lavrov said that he

had no idea at all about how we would generally reach normal relations after of, uh, what has been done and how much has been destroyed, but nevertheless, if we talk about the conditions for returning to normal relations, then, it seems to me, several conditions must be met, first to gain one’s strength , strength, both economic and military and ideological. here i would like to recall the minister of foreign affairs of the soviet union, our countryman gromyk andrey andreyevich, who was called mr. no, of course he was not mr. and to me, he just knew how to negotiate, to be able to seek compromises. he is tough and relentless he put his interests not on his own, but on the interesting countries that he represented, and this led to the fact that the ussr was respected, including that its interests were considered not by kozyrevism, but by giving up emotional interests. yes, to be patted on the back, namely, to be able to defend yourself, including, uh, there by diplomatic military and other means, and secondly, uh. i think

a reset of international institutions will be necessary. he does not work with other institutions that we see today, where he is in all these processes, no one hears at all, but after all, alexander is also a challenge to our internal such integrity, and mobilization in the military sense, but in the documentary cognitive sense absolutely right. now i would just like to move on to the fact that you have implemented this step in your organization. for a long time we have been thinking about how white russia, when there is a base, can be turned into a political party. now they have found this way out, when the organization remains an association. yours and the party. that's how it is construction, here. is written off in the context that we are with you today discussing. well, it's just a few more seconds. i will say that i wanted to support your thesis that we must be strong not only in military and political terms, which i spoke about above, but also in ideological terms , there should not be these flirtations, partners are friends and so on, yes, and deceive

yourself. we must clearly understand that we have we have our country. there is our national interest and civilizational identity of east european east slavic and it must be protected, as far as, uh, parties and public associations are concerned. surely they saw one from parcels. our country needs instruments of unity and the party can and should be one of such instruments, if what a party is, a party is a unity built on ideology on a certain program and division. here is a certain body of value and meaning, this is a necessary condition for membership in the party, after this, the corresponding activity is the activity of the country politically, in an ideological such a public worldview, or something , and this kind of task the party can solve, it is very important to choose the right one spiritual ideological foundations. they are the system of meanings

that today we can call it the ideology of the belarusian statehood, which is largely reflected in the constitution in the messages that we introduced into the updated constitution at last year's referendum. we don’t have much time left, but uh , trying to collect the main, let’s say , thoughts that were voiced today during this conversation, and we understand perfectly well that now, apart from direct military confrontation. there are much more serious , someone calls a hybrid someone is called a proxy. but there is really a struggle of ideas , a struggle for brains. that's quite recently. and the thought factory in the united states of america in england works like clockwork, uh, think tanks are known the atlantic council, uh, published an article in which well, i won’t name them to our viewers, it’s not enough if people say, but for specialists. these are famous people, so you know how they will connect. what things they write is extremely important for friends and allies of ukraine in the west

lukashenka's regimes were punished; we fix the first. and then it will help the belarusian, sort of democratic movement in the battle for the hearts and minds of the belarusian people, by exposing that lukashenka's support for the war is a direct cause of the growing instability of economic difficulties. that is, they are correcting the training manual now, it starts what you see here now, the belarusians are at hand. this is where they participate. they same say, that often and means all our economic difficulties. e about this, that is, they forgot that the sanctions were long before swa and so on. and here i want. here you are first to suggest before your answers the president's words that were spoken last week. it seemed to be about prices. in fact, there is not a single meeting now that goes narrowly . only for some one. igor here you are, like a polozovsky journalist. don't let me lie. that is, it is always considered in the complex. let's hear the president today the question is more than the goal. this is the basis of a just

internal order and peace in our country. education prices are the basis of a fair peace in belarus is the main article of the agreement between the government and the people, so we must endure, we must put up, everyone must strive to save our country. i categorically declare that we have everything for this. we can't just keep it. and when this cart of the planet ends, we will be an order of magnitude higher than all the facts. today i can't do that. i never cheated. all my predictions have always been wrong. here is an important question. look, petrovich , a global carve-up is underway, we hear the president says that everything is not easy for us, to survive in these circumstances, but also to come out with a plus, which the situation requires of us. well, first of all, i would like to say here that really hmm because. we can say that the west is trying in every possible way

to turn away from us, but let's call it that, then definitely. we are already choosing completely the vector is really eastern, this is already evident. well, it's getting stronger in all directions. well, interaction with the russian federation is, as they say. a priori, this, as a constant, is already very global today interact. today, within the framework of the csto. first of all, as a military organization of the state. we form not only actions there or conduct exercises there with collective forces and interactions within the framework of this organization, but we are also developing very widely in the educational military sphere. these tendencies have been outlined very widely and we are working on a lot in the scientific field. uh, we maintain very serious serious cooperation with the people's republic of china, primarily with the people's liberation army of china. that's what i want say that here is vector east which is selected. i think for us, uh, first of all, it is promising for the coming years , maybe even for the coming decades. it can

be said that, as far as we are concerned, we must definitely come out in the black today, even if we look to the west. you see, all globalist ideas have faded into the background, everyone has completely begun to engage in the restoration of the military-industrial complex. what is the military industrial complex military industrial complex any way, it's a push or any economy, then in any case, there is a military component. well , the impetus for the development of the state in general, as such in the economic political, it shows how strong this state is really, if it has strong power, then, accordingly, it is strong power. it can only show itself in these difficult conditions of the situation, where you really need to make strong-willed decisions and bring these strong-willed decisions to the end, uh , our conclusions are what we should be in order to go through this track, you know, here is the president. he speaks clearly, he speaks the idea of ​​justice. yes, and also according to the lassual on the propaganda of the first world war. it clearly says what war is. this is a war of ideas

against ideas, that is, our idea, it is the strongest . because it is very difficult to break it. and that's why the president is not pushing the ideas of some kind of free market. let's develop private corporations, let's develop. he says, no, we need to develop in such a way that everyone who comes to the store feels this justice. they are so that coming to the store and could not buy it. here, therefore general justice is expressed, there will be no justice, internal conflicts will always begin. this one earns more, this one earns less, this one earns more. can afford. this should not be, and uh, it should be noted that the president did not only talk about prices and about uneven races. friction of income is also injustice, and our task now is to make sure that our opponents are ours. well, let's just call it directly, the enemies did not use any technology, ideological in order to rock our society. uh, showing what you see u moreover there, and a better car than you have go there to commit. yes, this is unfair in

reality, why are we at all levels? here the president says everyone should protect e our country, because at all levels in all regions of distant points. ah, those in charge of outreach should go and speak to the public. thank you and your choice. and hmm is often the simplest at the same time the most difficult. yes, everyone should, uh , do their own, uh, business well at each specific workplace, and solve those problems that we have in our country, as well as in any country in the world. they have some problems , sore points, just the same, the collective west is trying on us. and he is trying to undermine us from the inside, relying on some of our internal problems. and it would be extremely stupid in this situation to turn a blind eye to some problems that exist, and closing your eyes will not solve the problem for sure, therefore, if suddenly we have some points of tension in society. and it could be prices. it could be an uneven distribution of income. it might be a question. uh, don't know what to do with

fugitive return do not return. and these problems need to be quickly resolved, not giving the opportunity to these sometimes strictly financial , strictly economic, strictly social petty problems, starting with a hole in the road, but so that they do not develop into political problems when, due to a hole in the road in some city will try to bring people in this type of city against the authorities, although the problem. it's easy in the pit, but there was no timely solution, so the first to see the problem. now it is extremely important to honestly see to recognize them and decide. uh, if we will to do quickly and clearly, then, in general, these are western attempts to influence us we will not be afraid. thank you alexandrovich for your findings. i think in order for us to reach a higher level stronger and find ourselves in the post, uh, war era, among the uh, leaders. eh, world, we also need to solve this problem, to part with the illusions and myths that modern

public consciousness is full of, after all. uh, a lot of people sincerely believe that, well, everything is in order in the world. in general, people there in the west and in general everywhere they are good, they want to be friends trade there to marry. and here we are talking about some wars about the fact that we need to have a strong army, and consider such a formulation of the question as inadequacy, rather, on the contrary, the inadequacy of living in this illusion of such a benevolent and kind world in which we must enter . well, in addition, there are a lot of other myths and historical myths, and in this sense , the work that is being done in our country , these dialogue platforms that have become political, but a brand. or a brand of political e, the culture of our society, they should continue. and in general, this work with consciousness, which, including our association, is conducting and many, uh, others. e subjects of this process, there is social science. well, for many, it must continue and become even more active and truly effective. to be honest, there is an unplowed field in this e in this

plane to work. e need. well, thank you very much. thank you for being part of our program. but we continue the program in a couple of minutes, a well-known russian political scientist and public figure is in touch sergey kruginyan. so stay with us, we continue, the ongoing events require not only careful recording, but first of all it is important to see the deep meanings. cause causation. to do this, you must agree , you need not just experts, real thinkers. and we are glad that we have the opportunity to talk with one of them today. in touch sergey kurginyan sergey ivanovich hello , thank you for finding time for us. thank you for inviting us, and at the suggestion of individual representatives of the ukrainian country, the theme of the korean scenario for ukraine, how do you feel about such a possibility is excellent, they will never agree to this. let's divide

under the dnieper that is, this will be the thirty- eighth parallel ukraine let's share. what is korea, this is a divided korea, a divided ukraine yes , for god's sake yes take this lvov and everything else for yourself and uh, how would you exercise there, as you wish, at least there are poles , at least someone yes, for god's sake what's the problem? the only problem is that this will never be understood? why is it never out of the question? boris nikolaevich yeltsin please forgive me, uh, he sometimes had very bright pleasures. yes, such people once asked him provocatively so. and tell me, please, is it possible that a jew becomes the head of the russian state. he sat in the same form of us with a hangover here; theoretically, this is possible, and almost exclusively, no one in ukraine

will ever talk about any division of the territory. because politics will not accept this, he will build, yes, internal ukrainian politics. we won't accept it once and for all the second will not accept it. the west does not need it. nobody needs it, eternal war. well, the problem lies in this once who gorbachev told me already somewhere in his fund, that while you were still some kind of petty researcher. i went there to meet with twenty-two very influential people, in my opinion, he said to paris, i didn’t say mikhail sergeevich europe is dead and will be dead until the russian cauldron boils. here the russian cauldron boiled, who needs to stop it, the macbeth witches are sitting talking, and i will blow. into the sieve. thank you for that, the cauldron is boiling. yes, and they only accurately verify the temperature. they need to be boiled, which

is cooked over low heat. don't need it like that. and that's it. what is the way out for us, but with such a simple yes, we are here in conditions, when we will not do anything unilaterally, they will impose a war, it must be won. they speak russian cauldron in order to achieve a result. and we must achieve the result b from this warm-up. just don't be so confused time to speak. it is not known that at first it is satanism, and then that together with the americans we won the cold war. well, don't do it like that, i beg you, but you can't be looked at. you guys in official positions look at you and smile predatoryly. hmm my all sympathies are not on the side of those who under smiles. why do you give such a reason so impossible. this i say, not to you of course, but to those who bend it all. yes, the names there are so familiar, something from

the soviet era. yes, that's the point here. is what we can do only one, but we can. to create and use the potential and new life from the energy of the russian boiler, which no one will stop. slowly, calmly, not without some kind of dramatization, you need to extract and extract this energy of new life. we need to prepare for even much more troubles, we need to do everything possible, and thank god that this is so that this is not discharged by any nuclear war. nobody needs her. this means that the temperature in the boiler jumped sharply, yes, right away, but you need to change your life. this is the worst thing they are afraid of, seriously calmly change life, leaving all the best that they managed to turn out. well, you managed to do something, damn it, and this is the best to connect not directly with

some kind of restoration structures, but with rethought modules of the past , the rethought nobility will be crushed so you will put yourself in. then they will start negotiations. well, i don't know, like the cold war model or anything. uh, the general on general issues will always hate, all the time , intrigue, all the time, somewhere along the borders , set fire to something, but right now to nuclear war, they won't go over if they go to either. they have nothing to do magically, or a cosmic replacement. there are nuclear, so to speak, devices with some kind of rods from outer space. yes , so that the effect was just as destructive, but without infection. so it seems to me that there are madmen who want a nuclear war, but there are not many of them. so we need to move there. we

will not change this constant and do not listen to what someone in ukraine is talking about, no one will share anything. nobody will share anything. will it will be quite another to strike more, as if tangibly, with the use of more separate sick weapons and an attempt to create. revenge. here are the new details around. uh, northern streams, an investigation by an american family journalist. hersh, convincingly proves that the americans staged a terrorist attack, the norwegians helped, but can this information? can i say one thing here, there are really very talented journalists. i know an investigative journalist. yes, he is standing there ten well-trained spies. yes, he is a smart guy and can do anything sniff out, but in one percent and 100 cases. this is such a talent. yes, the eccentric is always such a slightly dipped

such a sniffer. yes, this is a very important figure, but hersh is not quite this, but in all other cases. i want to ask how people remember these are plums. these plums are journalists with experience, authority and a corresponding reputation, who are given information, and they draw it up. and so it has always been, and here is the 20th century. and not only that, so the question is who leaked all this to hersh. who leaked it to him, but who leaked, he wants something, yes, but what he wants is what he eats. the most important intrigue in this field, so the question here is that of course everyone will be hushed up and everyone will be indignant, but this hersh, this is not an osanzh. he's not a suicide, he's an elitter,

he's a respectable man. if he realized that it would be a strong b-bom for him , he wouldn’t do it, you know, in some way. uh , so it’s like one of the leaders of the pravda newspaper in the soviet era says to me, we are not a rural life magazine. we don't have directives us control pdds. we have to guess what to print? and that there is no pnd board , so hersh is controlled by the trend. he understands where it is possible, where it is impossible. he ingeniously senses where this is a justified risk. for which there will be e gingerbread and there will not be very much bo-bo. and where is this madness, and he will not go crazy, i repeat. this is not osans. it's not easier, it means that he coldly calculated. he talked everything over with modest, but people with grayish faces. yes. uh,

not only from the cia, i think. well, somewhere cooler. there is a department more abruptly. here i realized that you can. yes, i received the material, checked it and leaked it. having issued it literary for this they give pultzer prizes, but for nothing else you understand, and for another bullet the vlog does not lie down. even when the president, because when a journalist, even more so. and here is an important point, because there is still one operation under the direct supervision of biden's adviser, according to us, sullivan's security was conceived and developed even before the start of the special operation in ukraine, and russia's indignation is understandable, but will the germans calmly swallow the fact that, in general, the main goal of undermining is to deprive europe of cheap gas to bring down industrial power, first of all germany germany is absolutely not sovereign.

absolutely well, i don’t know, i always said something, there, that i talked when the soviet period, when i was in charge of the center for strategic research, the representative of the ministers of the ussr yes, he talked with such john rose , he said that if only germany will begin to connect with russia on the ruins of the soviet union yes, then it will be a nuclear war in europe yes, but i can say a lot more the head of one of the large ones, well, understandable to us this orientation, sympathizing with the german parties, he spoke to me right in the building of the first parliament. so what about german. so what, i can build socialism in germany in 2 weeks. in 2 weeks i 'll take a few steps, and there will be socialism. and what then, then what are you? you understand that then it's just military repression, that's all over, so he says instead of doing business, yes, and the new system in germany we will discuss the details of contracts, between hmm

employers told me with a dull look, then looked and said what you have done, what you have done. and to emphasize that this is a large figure rather large. so, it's just there that it's all tightly grasped. maybe i don’t fully know how exactly i was captured, but you understand tightly, tightly. there is no germany germany is not sovereign europe is not sovereign and in this sense all our attempts to find something, for example, ultra-right, yes, well, at least some rudeness, because if i managed to enter europe let's at least with someone will grind something. it is fit for torture, not deplorably useless means. do you understand? well, no, there's nothing guys. it will not help, not in any, there

is a conditional alain case, or some kind of this very thing. pen was mortified there, or someone else did fraternal unity. i don't know that right-wing russia and right-wing europe are left-wing bluff and wild trash all over the world now. they have been destroyed. eh, as if they were turned into some kind of perverted slime and you won’t understand what else. well , people are looking if there is nothing in the center. and why not go to the right from here and before lunch? yes, but it makes no sense, there is external control. and uh, they have some variations. what bidens and obamas or trumps they have there, it doesn’t matter. there inside there is a core and cast. the core of the elite, which will manage in a simple way, we change the means of achieving power with the constancy of the goal of retaining the strengthening of power, the whole cold face of such a sinning, but hmm, debilitating

master of the world, which he, of course, grows decrepit and likes to talk about, he demeans, but he remains owner. yes, everyone is talking. look look, he has the fifth pigment on his hands. yes, spots on the hands, and you see the claws, but the claws are still the same look. it's an old tiger, he has such yellow teeth, they are yellow, but if he squeezes, it will hurt your throat, prepare for strength. look for sources of strength in yourself, in your history, in your people, in your experience sergey ivanovich thank you for participating in the program. thank you. thank you. always with you this was a fragment of a conversation with the leader of the essence of time movement, political scientist sergei kurginyan. well, today she is all thank you for being happy with us.