[000:00:00;00] time to feel the second part of the program in touch with the well-known russian public figure sergey kruginyan, so what awaits you and me, full of meaningful conversation , security is the number one question today. presides over the organization, but i would like to start with this fragment. if someone thinks that there is a conflict between ukraine and russia, this is not our conflict, that we will sit quietly somewhere, nothing like that will. eh, the time will come, it is not far away literally. here it is tomorrow, when this time will require to be determined to take a certain position. i am not saying that it is to the detriment of national interests and so on, but with all our allied shortcomings. we will have to clearly define our policy

and our line. in order to act i suggest, probably, and your experience to this was pushed together, together it is always easier or easier some kind of frank and honest message to our partners in the accident and what do you think, did everyone hear? first, let me tell you from what, from my point of view , the head of our state proceeded when he sent this message. i think that it came not so much from an appeal to solidarity to some moral feelings. how much he uttered the simple truth that it is impossible to ensure security alone in the modern world, if we draw a historical analogy , then the thirties of the 20th century, uh, in some ways resembled the current situation, and the ussr urged by all means to create a unified security system in europe if it was created, then the general staff of the wehrmacht hardly decided would have been on such an adventure, because he understood

that the combined forces of europe and the soviet union were much larger, but they preferred to sit out in their national apartments. somewhere they played their games, they got what they got, and today we have a situation similar to the need to unite in order to meet those challenges, and challenges. naturally, we are close to the third world war, to the beginning of the third world war , in order to find challenges to give an adequate response, what else do i want to say about this to our partners in the csd, you need to understand, uh, a simple thing, that the goals of the collective west are not small countries in the post-soviet space, their real goals are russia and china as major geopolitical competitors and they hit these goals using such a favorite method of anglo-saxon geopolitics, creating an anaconda loop well, that is, along the perimeter , creating a hostile environment and suffocating in this hostile environment, unleashing conflicts on

the borders. uh, they set up military bases there, provoking chaos, which will inevitably spill over into uh, the territory of russia and but there will be chaos, including among the partners in the csd, who will limit relations with russia in this sense , i want to emphasize once again my idea, and security. not for someone not for someone else's uncle. this is for yourself, for your people, and only together. we'll be able to provide it. alexei well, it's really involved. now we will see that last year was such a test of independence , first in kazakhstan, then we saw the armenians and the azerbaijani conflict, where it is very difficult, of course, for us the situation is on the one hand. armenia are members of the dcb on the other on the other hand, azerbaijan is such a traditional one for us, a big partner. here it was very important not to aggravate the presence of an accident, that is, understandably, not to resolve the situation. there the task is different, but from the point of view of hearing this message that was voiced in minsk on monday. as you see it, you know, we still have to understand that in reality

the cst is a union of sovereign states. and those who are fighting against us are large corporations, industrial banking corporations and they have an a plan for the next 15 years. this is the destruction of sovereign states. uh dive them uh, in a state of chaos. e. the complete destruction of any constitutional system of any government agencies of law enforcement agencies, uh, and. uh, hmm, the immersion of the population is just such a very severe socio-economic crisis. and when the president says that tomorrow this challenge will come, the challenge is precisely connected with the confrontation of sovereign states with these corporations, if we do not resist, and we alone will definitely not be able to resist their huge, and their assets e money supply, but together we can stand and save your world, and most importantly, keep the world

in order. eh, completely different. not the one that large corporations are trying to impose now. i will suggest to the national elites of these countries those who own large capitals, because the russians roughly showed that these young capitals, no matter how big they were, they were not the same. equal players in the big arena, they quickly each have their place, so save your capital when you go beyond your national jurisdiction, if you are not a sovereign, it is extremely difficult, perhaps this also a call to the fact that times have really changed now igor what do you think, but let's do it with our opponents and even i would name enemies. here is. in general, what our country has a little less hmm is unity. with all that, of course, there in the west they also swear about how many weapons to supply e to ukraine and how does anyone see the fighting in from the point of view of national interests, but is there any single thing there? and, if

such unity is on our part, even if we consider the csto. well, let's say so to this unity has certain issues, and we are not the first time. uh, hmm, not the first time. the president says that in the csto we should all be united, and this is not the first time we even discuss in this studio who the message was to, and whether they will hear it, and so on, maybe. the time is coming, perhaps, alexander grigorievich is talking about this, when there is a reason to revise the list of participants in the collective security treaty, maybe to include someone new, but there are many who want to, because there are countries that understand that they can cope with a western threat, but it's impossible, maybe some countries will. eh , to leave this union, because from the point of view of the military, yes, and political economic it is very important to feel that your partner will be with you in any situation, but about leaving. yes, we are now in the chairmanship, knowing the style and spirit of belarus and, in particular , alexander lukashenko what is called not on my

shift, i agree here, but a matter of public discussion. perhaps already so long overdue. here is the csto, as an organization, what can uh, well, not declarative, but really working to do. what decisions should be made so that this organization still gains political and military weight? even more to the level to which it was planned, and andrey petrovich from a military point of view, a military expert yes, we heard another very important settlement, despite the fact that the context is now the most unfavorable and you could refer to it and say that well, let's postpone for better times, the solution of some problems that can be tolerated, but belarus , having become the chairman, and the president said this and i will quote, but the most difficult tasks have become, for example, here i am. hmm, i will repeat the words of the president. we took the risk during our presidency to try to solve these problems that we have, and the caucasus and central asia we have problems there. let's try to resolve them and

unite the organization as much as possible. hmm, a difficult task, but is it doable at all now this year , or are we just the main thing to start this path, and then we will apply it further. you understand, this is most likely there, the very main premise that i wanted to to say the president, in theory, as if everyone understands that yes, if we are all together, we are much stronger, well, in practice, everyone tries to pull the blanket over himself anyway, firstly, if we are talking about the dkb - this is quite like that. well, an organization that is geographically very strong, well, is located in almost the entire eurasian region. so, accordingly, what worries countries, for example, central asia worries to a lesser extent, well, for example, belarus well, and vice versa , what is happening today is great. it's realizing and talking about what you don't have to sit. here you need, the main thing is to understand at what stage you won’t have to serve time, because each of the republics of the members of the road accident perfectly understands what it means

today to support a special military operation. it is to immediately fall under the ax for the collective west, these are immediately harsh sanctions, which, moreover, cover all spectrums of the absolutely vital activity of the state, both external and internal, and , accordingly, whether any state is ready for this. and most importantly, we need to understand, really. do we need those states who are really directly involved, as it were, to one degree or another in this armed conflict. i mean the republic of belarus the russian federation do we need it we talk a lot about hybrid warfare. that is, today's actions are largely based on indirect actions, so we are limited in obtaining some modern technologies. we are limited in obtaining some resources that we do not have, perhaps we have the opportunity to receive these resources through these countries. maybe it's not straight military destination. maybe it's just dual-use or civilian use. there we will figure out how good luck to attach it. maybe it

really is. this is the exit exactly there, which allows us to get around, including males. well , as for the actual use in terms of military force, well, by and large, the military did not need a lot of political will in order to unite us. well, as the events in january showed, as the events in january last year, it will take us a little time one to three days in order for us to this organization and our main forces. first of all, the collective forces brought into action and efficiency. i think you've seen it all. that is why to say unequivocally that we really need to unite today and oppose the collective west, or we still need to find other inputs and approaches in order to influence this process, the president really made a message. not just correct, but

he was later argued by these all in in my own words. it is connected , we really need to decide who at what stage will really enter, let's move on then there was another guest in minsk whose visit to the belarusian capital caused serious irritation in the west. of course, i mean the head of the hungarian foreign ministry, petr, not only did he dare to call the european parliament one of the most corrupt organizations in the world the day before in shifts on the eve of his arrival in minsk. so also here in minsk with belarusian colleagues he says that sanctions are wrong to discuss peaceful tracks in ukraine. agreed on a program of cooperation for the whole 23rd year, which is the main thing you see in the visit of the hungarian minister. all of them tried to find some kind of symbols. yes, symbols , moreover, the head of the mead tak himself indicated that his visit would definitely cause sharp criticism from

the outside. ah, european countries, uh, anglo-saxon, like a glomerate, but uh, the question is what he continued to do next, we pursue only our national interests, if it’s beneficial for us, and it’s beneficial for us, well, hungarian, uh, to be friends with belarus, first of all, you economy v production, but we will do it, and we, in principle, do not care about your irritation. and that's just such an independent. eh, the position of independent politics and annoying they do not obey brussels does not obey said a number of ministers. uh, we want so, and the question is what? but the head of the foreign ministry is also the head of the external economic department, that is, his main task, including the solution of economic issues, and the question arises. and hungary did not support the sanctions policy. and the european union actually gets e resources at more favorable prices can

cooperate from belarus with russia with other countries of the eurasian space and thereby solve their national economic problems. they have lower inflation, and neighboring countries also work for production. naturally, they look. the most important thing is that the simple population is a simple worker, they look and say, and then what happens, our politicians have betrayed us, and these national politicians have been chosen. and-and his people and observes it is his interests. they are the interests of, there, america and, uh, some corporations. well, it's more, of course. what concerns such hungarian interests. yes, sure. in hungary, with this visit of the radiant one to minsk , it turned out to be pluses in this european field from the other side. no matter what, but what is it for us? it is clear that the head of the foreign ministry, like any diplomat, will not say everything publicly. in general, he, in my opinion, in his comments after the visit. i said that somewhere some meetings were public , some not public, it is important for us that this is

a visit, and a person of high position from europe is such a first sign. after all, many they want to normalize relations with belarus and russia, but so far it has not been collectively accepted and it is always more difficult to be the first. and the one who will be the locomotive and will first collect all some kind of negativity about the fact that it’s impossible and impossible to work with belarus . but that’s good, but art came to minsk after that. surely some other political players. europeans will come to minsk with great pleasure because they want to communicate with belarus, but they were afraid of this criticism, now everyone the bumps will be collected by the hungarians and then it will be a little easier for everyone else. i think that ours is for our european diplomacy, which one way or another continues to exist and exist well, because there are behind-the-scenes negotiations, not public ones, but for our public pro-western diplomacy - this is a very good starting signal, hungary in general, after all, she is such a white crow in a european family. we

saw how now during the eu summit, everyone in the eu was running, applauding, hugging, kissing zelensky, while urban defiantly held himself in aside. it was visible. he emphasized it. i would also like to tell me about this topic. i am in solidarity with aleksey alekseevich that here the fault line runs along the e, criterion of national anti-national elites, serve their people serve as a foreign master. but what else can i say? i can note a few things, firstly, hungary is quite strict distance. from the cultural policy that is taking place in the european union from the bacchanalia e bacchanali that is happening, i 'm talking about gender policy, and in general, here this cultural or better to say antipse pseudo-e cultural policy, there are strong catholic e, roots. eh, the hungarian people, they do not allow us to take the path of

dehumanization. uh, on the way to the destruction of their european national culture, the second thing i want to note, but this is probably such a strong statement, but due to the fact that now everyone is very closely watching who will ultimately win the conflict on ukraine, my deep conviction is that the conflict in ukraine is yes, and everyone understands this, this is not a local conflict, it is reformatting of the world, geo-structures of the world. and if you join the winner, you can then reap the laurels, er, the winner, and i think that they take this moment into account and put it. betting on e russia on belarus as an ally and russia in this e conflict. uh, i want to emphasize again, and there will be a redistribution following the results of this war. uh, peace, at least in european. eh, the continent and hungary are fully aware of the fact that now it is necessary to look, er, and er, into the future from this angle of vision. well, at the same time, we even though i noted that urban was in no hurry hmm to show

zelensky's special feeling but in the meantime, welcome. it was very warm, uh, both in the uk and in. in brussels, in general, this visit of zelensky is what you really expect, that it will bring some real changes on the battlefield or such a ritual story. i will not explain why. the point is that the important premise for my thesis is that the elite of the collective west still retained a colonial mindset. they do not see zelensky as a partner, as an equal figure. this is the service the colony. it is not possible to have a conversation with the servants and it is not necessary to have a conversation on an equal footing ; they must know their place. and the fact that they play these games. he arrived there , hugged him there, and so on. it's uh, the audience. i am sure that they will have completely different conversations, but from their national interests, if they pursue them at all, and, most likely, from the instructions that they receive. well uh now. i think the following is weighed. that is, are they ready

to become a participant having already thrown off their masks, they are practically already thrown off. well, like this frankly depends. well, the parties to the conflict, we are fighting, uh, and the solution to this issue will depend on specific decisions. will they give planes? uh, will there be other types of weapons that can radically turn the tide on the battlefield provided, but look andrey petrovich, here we are talking when they indicate their position, no matter how hard they try to say that they just represent this weapon, but they involved in conflicts, but it's funny. that is, it is not clear how far away a person needs to be in order to from information, in order to believe in it, here stoltenberg. uh, he said, a very important thing is to create an even stronger army in ukraine after any end of the current conflict. that is, it suggests that it may be, not even only a colony, that is, this is a permanent military hot spot, a statement by stoltenberg, who, well, as

they say, does not spare words today in relations. he really is. eh, it has such a character. uh, like maintaining this fire in the hearth of this confrontation. and to date, nato has taken such they will give a position, and they will give planes and tanks, but only in those quantities that are necessary to maintain this conflict in order to try to destroy russia from the inside, because it is impossible to destroy a state that has the world's strongest nuclear potential from the outside, which is why it is the bet is on the destruction of russia from the inside, and most importantly, how they went to this destruction from the inside. they took the path of not using the liberals today, who by and large have no weight against the background of a special military operation of raising patriotic feelings, and they are betting today on patriotic-minded people and dragging out the conflict, the uncertainty

of the action will lead to the fact that the patriots, as in february of the seventeenth year , can, as they say, rise against the existing government and this cannot be allowed. although it is precisely with regard to nato itself that it is necessary to take a look at their military strategies, what they expect from us is some mitigation. they have until 2030 clearly spelled out and for the first time what in what what in the us national security strategy that in strategy 2.000 until 2030 nato for the first time spells out the republic of belarus, where it is clearly defined that they care about human rights in our country, which are allegedly violated, and secondly, that belarus is one of the countries that interferes with the entire world order in europe that is what they have prepared for us. it's clearly visible, no one will talk to us. here to mind. even such words come. you know, in the background, a bent gingerbread, when these were said by one well-known, uh, ukrainian politician who said promise them anything you want, and

we'll hang them later. therefore, nato policymakers should be treated very, very carefully , an absolutely timely remark. ah, indeed, we saw different moods about zelensky’s visit, on the one hand, spectacular, and such a tour, uh, and macrons scholz met with karl the third, but here’s what news week writes, for example, this is one of the authoritative publications of the european tour showed desperation zelensky and the author of this article brandon call claims that zelensky is falling into despair from the realization that the meeting with european politicians does not give any result. that is , what the ukrainians might have counted on, whom zelensky should have represented, that is, there is such a place there. we have such a very significant example with all these european tours. this is actually, madam, tikhanovskaya, who when this movement with european trips began. here her electorate was joyfully clapping their hands, and now we will live. now

they will help us all with something. and so on. here is zelinsky, because plus or minus repeats exactly the same path of tikhonovskaya, it immediately causes a wow effect in the audience. that's where tikhanov's zelensky and the european audience, which is watching, observes the principles of democracy, the joy of victory over e, russia and russians and so on, and then after some time, the electorate of tikhanov's zelensky am immediately has an idea. well, it’s good that we’ve traveled and that, no matter how farther what this affects on anything, then the europeans already have exactly the same thoughts , it’s good to come again. well, first she. and now, when we talk about zelensky, again zelensky arrived and that he again asks for money, and what's next? that is, this is an internal irritation. it seems to me, but hmm, on the one hand, our opponents. they are trying to absolutely agree irritation inside us inside the union state, but at the same time some steps of the collective west it seems to me that it still causes much more irritation to its audience in europe

because well, zelensky and now the topic of ukraine is fed up, and they are artificially again trying to top there are absolutely readers of the daily mail very harshly criticized. let's listen. now why is he even here this is not a british conflict. we must not interfere in this. we're giving british taxes to a telecomic hate-monger. why? of course, the establishment will help him. already made the decision to escalate permanently. instead of finding a way out please note that i will not die at the forefront of such a european one, and, unfortunately, politics is such an open conjuncture, and then it will all go over and it ’s immediately fashionable for my electorate to maintain the political field, well, status and power, but praise zelensky and talk about that we should stand up for ukraine in the conflict with russia after some time, more and more fashionable, but in e for the population there are other theses. so zelensky is not needed. i need to help ukraine why are we doing this.

why do we spend a lot of money and the same people. after some time, they shouted that let's help zelensky. they will shout with exactly the same zeal that everything is enough, we spent too much money. why is he coming, because it's just such a european political situation, but here is the most important thing to add. we even see by the faces, european, politicians. not zelensky that indeed they are all at an impasse. they don't know how to get out of it. they can only do. this show he can come there several times a day several times there to call to do. uh, show program, but that doesn't really solve it. the main problem is theirs. they wanted to destroy through ukraine, as it was correctly said , somewhere within a year or two, and lead russia to protests, and the collapse of the russian economy, even after russia will conditionally them. and naturally , they could not achieve this further to deal with china. yes, russia was able to mobilize,

huh? the integration association, including the union state, could unite , yes, we have a military group, and they are already forced to play this theater of the absurd to the end, but they don’t really know the way out of it. they will continue to focus only on escalation, because as soon as they stop the whole world. and most importantly, global investors. here they will sit coffee and laugh at them very much, because they lost, but everyone else started. and what should zelensky do, he, uh, in any case, uh, will rise sometime, regardless of how the conflict in ukraine ends, somehow relate to the words of truly ukrainian uh, hmm representatives, here, in particular, the minister of foreign affairs kuleba, which, says february 23-24, the anniversary of the beginning of its expected, i quote the great events that russia will remember. well, uh, on the one hand

, you can’t say that they don’t cook something , you can’t treat it with some kind of humor and say nothing will happen. it is clear that e zelensky, his entire team is pr people. this means that they will prepare some kind of action of the first action, a provocation, where it will shoot on the territory, and the russian federation on the border. it’s impossible to say for sure that it was fired there, but for us, for our population, for our power structures of government agencies. we must definitely be ready for any provocations and know how to respond to it, and most importantly, before that, we must collect all the information about any provocation. it just doesn't happen. yes there are always, uh, information trails, so it’s clear that now the west needs to make some kind of strong blow to russia , informational, political, foreign policy, economic, financial. well, whether they succeed in this all depends

primarily on how we predict them ourselves, the most dangerous thing here. this is not the first time we have discussed this. in general, it’s even a shame that listen, 8 years ago , the norman four met in minsk and discussed it. there was a chance we even saw some movements, and there were escalations, but then merkel allant poroshenko was told that all this is a screen. and look now, kuleba is talking about february 23-24. although a couple of weeks ago he said that there was some kind of ten-point peace plan from zelensky in the plan, that is, there is no smell of peace negotiations, a crisis of confidence. and here, by the way, i remember. ah. the statement, damn it, is not a statement of the word silvia berlusconi by the experiments of the minister of italy , who is just throwing zelensky in the face, and the following was enough for him to stop attacking the two autonomous republics donbass and this would not have happened. therefore, i evaluate the behavior of this gentleman . berlusconi says about zelensky very, very negatively and really. lately

, we see zelensky making a statement over and over again that he put an end to the minsk agreements. although i remind you that he came to power, promising his voters that he would stop the bloodshed from becoming a war. that's how it is in this world, and hope for some kind of negotiations, when no one else can be trusted. forces to watch how the conflict in ukraine will end after that, rebuild the world, that is , forget that diplomacy should work. here, how do you see it? well, in my opinion. here, too, one should not underestimate ukraine, on the one hand, but one should still look at it not as a subject. and as an object of politics, therefore, not everything is far dependent on one ukraine from one zelensky for one simple reason, that we are talking now on february 24-23, if you need a picture, but you need a picture why first, to show that the money that invests to date, the west they will be worked out,

what to expect on this day, otherwise ukraine, first of all, from the leadership. yes, ukraine, well, here the spectrum is very wide. yes, starting from the fact that we were witnesses of the terrorist act against daria dugina. we saw that there were postings poisoned streams. by the way, yes, explosions of the northern streams, the destruction of the crimean bridge. e attack on the air base in sevastopol that is, the same airfields in diaghilev in engels, that is, the spectrum is very, very wide. moreover, the supplied weapons, well, they are actually the most modern, which are supplied today by the west. they allow somewhere at a depth of 300 to 300 km to act on this were to this. we must how to behave in this situation in this situation. you know best to answer. you were in the same situation. you will remember on new year's eve, when they also promised to celebrate this situation best of all , general surovikin answered this situation with a massive

missile strike, which, in principle, distracted not only ukraine but the entire west, that's how it is necessary to influence, then there is a military solution to this problem in this situation. it had conditionally the entire defense attack, of course, definitely, therefore in my opinion. we were witnessing the new year's events. they really demonstrated russia's readiness and determination to defend itself in these conditions, but to find numbers. and vladimir putin has a big conference planned. yes, respectively. here is what kiev is trying to do now - it is preparing the ground in order to divert media attention. and the whole world from putin's statement, because here it seems to me, but the whole the world is more likely to remember what they say and what putin will announce. and now kiev is trying , but hmm, to distract from this topic, making stuffing about something that will happen, there and at the conference in it some decisions will allegedly be made. but in general, this is such a methodology of arrestovich, talk a lot and make some forecasts. you see something, maybe it will come true and say

that you are lucky, but from the point of view. what to do? and hmm, when, unfortunately, there are fewer and fewer politicians like i take with me. and how the russians have it. uh, someone from the west spoke, and russians have one unpleasant thing. such a feature they do what they say, yes, approximately this is how everything is perceived by putin lukashenko, there are fewer such leaders, and more and more political ones, well, i’ll say rude balabols and conventurers who say one thing to do. in fact, no one has any idea at all, respectively, in the near future. it seems that all lomatya e international will go further into the non-public plane. i think i answer your question. e about how to get out of the crisis of confidence sure that this way it's going to be long, uh, and not easy at all. here, russian foreign minister lavrov said that he had no idea how we would generally reach normal relations after, uh, what has been done and

how much has been destroyed, but nevertheless, if we talk about the conditions for returning to normal relations, then, it seems to me, it is necessary to fulfill several conditions: the first is to gain strength, strength, both economic and military and ideological. here i would like to recall the minister of foreign affairs of the soviet union , our countryman gromyk andrey andreevich who was called mr. no, he certainly wasn't mr. us no. he just knew how to negotiate, to be able to say compromises. he was rigidly and adamantly set and the interests were not his own, but the interesting countries that he represented, and this led to the fact that the ussr was respected, including that its interests were not taken into account by kozyrevism, it was e to give up emotional interest. yes, to be patted on the back, namely, to be able to defend yourself, including, uh, diplomatic military and other means, and secondly, uh. i think that a reset of international

institutions will be necessary. he does not work with other institutions that we see today, where he is in all these processes, no one hears at all, but alexander is also a challenge to our inner integrity, and mobilization in a military sense, but in such a mental cognitive sense absolutely right. now i would just like to move on to the fact that you have implemented this step in your organization. for a long time we have been thinking about how white russia, when there is a base, can be turned into a political party. and now we have found this exit when and but the organization remains an association of yours and the party. that's how it is construction, here. it is written off in the context that we are discussing today. ah. well, just a few more seconds, i’ll say that i wanted to support your thesis that we should be strong not only in the military political, which i spoke about above, but also in ideological terms, there should not be these flirtations, partners are friends there and so on, yes and fool yourself. we must clearly understand that we have we have our country. there is our the national interest and civilizational

identity of the eastern european 116 and it must be protected, as far as, uh, parties and public associations are concerned. surely they saw one of the parcels. our country needs instruments of unity and a party. can and should be one of those tools. after all, what is a party? this is a unity built on ideology on a specific program and division. here, uh, a certain body of value and meaning is a necessary condition for membership in the party, following this , the corresponding activity is the activity for in the country, politically, in the ideological, such a public worldview, or something , and such a task, the party can solve it is very important to choose the right spiritual worldview foundations. they are the system of meanings that even today we can call it the ideology of the belarusian statehood, which is largely reflected in the constitution in the messages that we introduced to the updated

constitution at last year's referendum. we don't have much time left, but uh here, trying to collect the main thoughts, let's say, that were voiced today during this conversation, and we understand perfectly well that now, apart from direct military confrontation. there are much more serious ones , and someone calls it hybrid, who is called a proxy, but there is really a struggle of ideas , a struggle for brains. that's quite recently. uh , think tanks in the united states of america in england operate like clockwork known think tanks atlantic council. uh, published an article in which, well, i won’t name them, our viewers are not enough that if they say, but for specialists. these are well-known people, so look how they will tie you up. what things they write is extremely important for ukraine's friends and allies in the west to punish lukashenka's regime. we fix the first. and then it will help the belarusian pro-democracy

movement in the battle for the hearts and minds of the belarusian people by exposing that lukashenka's support for the war is a direct cause of the growing instability of economic difficulties. that is, they are now correcting the training manual, they are starting what you see with us now, here the war is at hand by the belarusians. here they participate. they say that they participated, which means all our economic difficulties. e about this, that is, they forgot that the sanctions were long before their stuff. and here i want. here you first offer before your answers the president's words that were said last week. he said that we are talking about the price process, in fact , there is not a single meeting now that goes narrowly . only on one igor. that is, it is always considered in the complex. yes? let's hear from the president today the question is more than the goal. this is the basis of a just internal order and peace in our country. pricing is the basis

of a just world in belarus, this is the main article of the agreement between the government and the people, so we must endure, we must endure, everyone must strive to save our country. i categorically declare that we have everything for this. we can't just keep it. and when this cart of the planet ends, we will be an order of magnitude higher than all the facts. today i can't. so i never cheated on you. all my predictions have always been in tosh. look petrovich and the global cart is moving, we hear the president says that we have everything not just to survive in these circumstances. well, also come out with a plus, which the situation requires of us. well, first of all , i would like to say here that really hmm because. we can say that the west is trying in every possible way to turn away from us. well, let's call it that, then definitely. we are already opting for a completely electro- really eastern, this is already evident. well,

it's getting stronger in all directions. well interaction with the russian federation is, as they say. a priori, this is how constants should by far be very globally interoperable. today, within the framework of the road accident , first of all, as an organization of the state, we form not only actions there or conduct exercises there with collective forces , we interact within the framework of this organization, but also develops very widely in the educational military sphere. e tendencies have been outlined very widely and a lot. we work in the scientific field. uh, we support very serious serious interaction with the people 's republic of china, primarily with the people's liberation army of china. so i want to say that this is the east vector that was chosen. i think for us, uh, first of all, it is promising for the coming years , maybe even for the coming decades. this can be said, as regards the fact that we must definitely come out in the black today, even if we look to the west. you see, all

globalist ideas have faded into the background, everyone has completely begun to engage in the restoration of the military-industrial complex. what's happened military industrial complex, military industrialists any way, this is the boost or any economy, that is, anyway. a component but an impetus for the development of the state in general, as such in the economic in the political, it shows how strong this state is really, if it has strong power, then, accordingly, it is strong power. it can show itself only in these difficult conditions of the situation, where it is really necessary to make strong-willed decisions and bring these strong-willed decisions to the end. and our conclusions what kind of what we should be in order to pass this track, you know, to the president, he clearly speaks, he speaks the idea of ​​justice. yes , and uh, according to the lassoal propaganda of the first world war. it clearly says what war is. this is a war of ideas against ideas, that is, our idea, it is the strongest, because it is very difficult to break it. and that's why

the president is not pushing the ideas of some kind of free market. let's develop private corporations, let's develop. he says, no, we need to develop in such a way that everyone who comes to the store feels this justice. they are so coming to the store. could you buy it? here you are in this and general justice is expressed; there will be no justice , internal conflicts will always begin. this one earns more, this one earns less, this one can afford more. this should not be, and uh, it should be noted that the president did not only talk about prices and about the uneven distribution of income. this is also injustice, and our task now is to make sure that our opponents, these are ours, but let’s call them directly enemies used no technology, ideological for rocking our society. uh, showing that you see that there, and a better car than you have, go there to do it. yes, this is unfair in reality, why are we at all levels? here the president says everyone should protect e our country, because at all levels in

all regions of distant points. ah, those in charge of outreach should go and speak to the public. thanks a lot. ah, often the simplest. and at the same time the most difficult, yes everyone has to uh, okay to do their own, uh, business at each specific workplace, but also solves those problems that we have in our country, as in any country in the world. they are some problems , sore points, just the same, the collective west is trying to put pressure on us and is trying to subdue us from the inside, relying on some of our internal problems. and it would be extremely stupid in this situation to turn a blind eye to some problems, and closing your eyes will not solve the problem for sure, therefore, if suddenly we have some points of tension in society. and it can be valuable. it may be uneven distribution of income. it might be a question. do not know what to do with the fugitive return do not return. and these problems need to be quickly resolved, not allowing these sometimes

strictly financial, strictly economic, strictly social petty problems, starting with a hole in the road, but so that they do not develop into political problems when, due to a hole in the road in some city . trying to get the people in this city kind of against the authorities, although the problem. it's simple in the pit, but there was no timely solution, so the first to see problems. now it is extremely important to honestly see them, recognize them and solve them. eh, if we do it quickly and clearly, then, in general. these are western attempts to influence us we will not be afraid. thank you alexandrovich for your findings. i think in order for us to reach a higher level, and to turn out to be strong, here is a post, uh, of the war era, among the uh, leaders. eh, world, we also need to solve this problem, to part with the illusions and myths that modern public consciousness is full of, after all. uh, a lot of people sincerely believe that, well, everything in the world in order. in general, uh, people there in the west and

generally everywhere they are good, they want to be friends , trade there, get married. and here we are talking about some kind of wars about the fact that we need to have a strong army, and to consider such a formulation of the question as inadequacy. rather, on the contrary, it is the inadequacy of living in this illusion of such a complacent and kind world, in which we must enter. well, in addition, there are a lot of other myths and historical myths, and in this sense , the work that is being carried out in our country , these dialogue platforms that have become political uh, brand or brand of political uh, culture, uh of our society, they must continue. and in general, this work with consciousness, which, including our association, leads many, uh, others. e subjects of this process, there is social science. well, for many, it must continue and become even more active and truly effective. to be honest, there is an unplowed field in this in this plane to work. uh, you have to. thank you very much. thank you for being part of our program. but we continue the program through

a well-known russian political scientist and public figure sergey kruginya is in touch for a couple of minutes, so stay with us. we continue, the events that are taking place require not only careful recording, but first of all it is important to see the deep meanings. cause causation. to do this, you must agree, we need not just experts, real thinkers, and we are glad that today we have the opportunity to communicate with one of them online sergey kurginyan sergey ivanovich hello, thank you for finding uh time for us. thank you for inviting. a-a with the filing of individual representatives of the ukrainian country appeared the theme of the korean scenario for ukraine, that's how you feel about the probability is fine. it won't work. let's divide under the dnieper that is, this will be the thirty-eighth in parallel for ukraine let's divide under it what korea is, this is divided karelia divided into

ukraine yes, for god's sake yes take this lviv and everything else for yourself and uh, how would you exercise there as you want, at least the poles at least someone yes, for god's sake what's the problem? one that this will never be understand? never why is it excluded? boris nikolayevich yeltsin please forgive me, he was sometimes very bright happy. yes, such people once asked him provocatively like that. but tell me, please, is it possible for a jew to become the head of the russian state? this will not accept the policy. he's so shot. yes, there is no ukrainian

politics inside. we will not accept this once and twice won't accept it. the west does not need it. nobody needs this eternal war. well, the problem lies in this, once someone gorbachev told me already somewhere in his fund that while you were still some little research assistants. i went there to meet with very influential people at 22:00, in my opinion, in paris i say, i didn’t say mikhail sergeevich europe is dead and will be dead until the russian cauldron boils. here the russian cauldron boiled, who needs to stop it, the macbeth witches are sitting talking, and i will blow. into the sieve. thank you for that, the cauldron is boiling. yes, and they only accurately verify the temperature. they need a brew that is simmered on a slow fire. yes, it is not necessary so once and for all. what is the way out for ours in such and such, yes, we are here in

conditions, when we will not do anything unilaterally. they will impose a war, it must be won. they talk russian cauldron in order to achieve a result, and we must achieve a result from this warm-up b. just don't talk like that all the time. unknown that first that it is satanism, and then that together with the americans we won the cold war. well, don't do it like that, i beg you, but you can't be looked at. guys, you are in official positions , looking at you and predatory meanly smiling at all my sympathies. not on the side of those who under smiles. why do you give such a reason so impossible. this i say, not to you of course, but to those who bend it all. yes, the names there are so familiar, something from the soviet era. yes, the point here is that we

can only do one thing, but we can. create and use the potential and new life from the energy of the russian boiler, which no one will stop. slowly, calmly, not without some kind of dramatization, you need to extract this energy of new life. we need to prepare for even more trouble. it is necessary to do everything possible and thank god that it is so that it is not discharged by any nuclear war. nobody needs her. this means that the temperature in the boiler jumped sharply. yes, this is how you need to change your life. this is the worst thing they are afraid of, seriously calmly change life, leaving all the best that they managed to turn out. well, you managed to do something, damn it, and this is the best to connect not directly with some kind of restoration structures, but with

rethought modules of the past , the rethought nobility will be crushed so you will put yourself in. then they will start negotiations. well, i don't know, like the cold war model or anything. uh, the general on general issues will always hate, all the time , intrigue, all the time, somewhere along the borders , set fire to something, but right now to nuclear war, they won't go over if they go to either. they have nothing to do with the biological, or with a cosmic replacement. there are nuclear, so to speak, a device with some kind of rods from outer space. yes , so that the effect was just as destructive, but without infection. so it seems to me that there are madmen who want a nuclear war, but there are not many of them. so we need to move there. we will not change this constant and do not listen to what someone in ukraine is talking about, no one

will share anything. nobody will share anything. will quite another will be delivering more, as it were , tangible strikes using more long-range weapons and trying to create. revenge. here new details were revealed around e northern streams by an investigation by an american journalist to sow hersh, convincingly proves that the americans staged a terrorist attack, the norwegians helped, but can this information affect anything at all, given that, for example, the western press, it defiantly ignores this sensational material or even trying to turn hershe into a traitor, or even a madman. oh, can i i will say that there is one thing here, a really very talented journalist. i know an investigative journalist. yes, he stands there 10 well -trained spies. yes, he is a nimble guy and can sniff out everything, but in one percent

of 100 cases. this is such a talent. yes, the eccentric is always such a slightly kooked such a sniffer. yes, this is a very important figure. on hersh - this is not quite it, but in all other cases. i want plums to remember this. these are plums, these are journalists with experience, authority and appropriate a reputation that gives information, and they make it out, and that's how it has always been, and here is the twentieth century. and not only that, so the question is who leaked all this to hersh. who leaked it to him, but who leaked it, he wants something, yes, but what he wants is what he eats. the most important intrigue in this field, so the question here is that of course everyone will be hushed up and everyone will be

indignant, but this hersh, this is not osanj. he is not a suicide, he is from the elite, he is a respectable person. if he realized that he would be strongly b-bom for this, he would not did you understand, he somehow. uh, so it’s like one of the leaders of the pravda newspaper in the soviet era told me, we are not a rural life magazine, we don’t have directives. we have pnd management, we have to guess what to print? and that there is no pnd board , so hersh is controlled by the trend. he understands where it is possible, where it is impossible. he ingeniously senses where this is a justified risk. for which there will be e gingerbread and god will not be very strong and where is this madness, and he will not go crazy, i repeat, this osanj, and not simpler, so he coldly calculated everything he spoke modestly, but people

with grayish faces. yes. uh, not only from the cia, but from somewhere cooler, i think. there is a department more abruptly. so i realized that you can. yes, i received the material, checked it and poured it in. having issued it literary for this they give pulsar prizes, but you understand for nothing else, and for another bullet the vlog does not lie down. even when the president, because when a journalist, even more so. and here is an important point, because there is still one operation under under the direct supervision of biden’s adviser, according to us, sullivan’s security was conceived and developed even before the start of the special operation in ukraine, and russia’s indignation is understandable , but will the germans calmly swallow that, in general, the main goal of undermining is to deprive europe of cheap gas to bring down industrial power, first of all germany

germany absolutely not sovereign. absolutely well, i don’t know, i always said something, there, that i talked when the soviet period, when i was in charge of the center for strategic research, the representative of the ministers of the ussr yes it was he who communicated with such john pink. and so he said that if germany begins to unite with russia on the ruins of the soviet union, yes, then it will be a nuclear war in europe , yes, but i can say much more about the head of one of the large ones, well , such an orientation is more understandable to us, sympathetic to the german parties. i was told right in the building of the european parliament. so what about german. so what, i can build socialism in germany in 2 weeks. in 2 weeks i 'll take a few steps, and there will be socialism. and what then, then what are you? but you you understand that then it’s just military repressions, this will all end, so he says instead of doing business,

yes, and the new system in germany we will discuss the details of contracts, between hmm employers to workers - he told me with a boring look, then he looked and said, what have you done, what have you done. the ground to emphasize that this is a large figure is quite large. so, it's just there that it's all tightly grasped. maybe i don’t fully know how exactly i was captured, but you understand tightly, tightly. there is no germany germany is not sovereign europe is not sovereign, and in this sense, all our attempts to find something, for example, ultra-right, yes, well , at least some rude things . it is an attempt at fit, not woefully unfit means.

do you understand? well, no, there's nothing guys. it will not help, not in any, there is a conditional alain case, or some kind of this very thing. pen was mortified there, or someone else did fraternal unity. don't know that right russia is right europe is a bluff left and wild trash now all over the world they are destroyed. eh, as if they were turned into some kind of perverted slime and you won’t understand what else. well, people are looking if there is nothing in the center. and why not go to the right from here and before lunch? yes, but it makes no sense, there is external control. and uh, they have some variations. what bidens and obamas or trumps they have there, it doesn’t matter. there inside there is a core and cast. the core of the elite, which will govern in a simple way, we change the means of achieving power while maintaining the goal of maintaining fortification

power is all the cold face of such a decrepit, but senile master of the world, which he, of course, decrepit and loves to talk about, he defuses, but he remains the masters. yes, everyone says, look, look, he has pigment spots on his hands. yes, there are spots on the hands, and you see the claws, but the claws are still the same look, this is an old tiger, he has such yellow teeth, they are yellow, but if he squeezes, it will be bad on your throat, get ready for strength for strength. look for sources of strength in yourself, in your history, in your people, in your experience seriously. thanks for participating in program. thank you thank you always with you this was a fragment of a conversation with the leader of the essence of time movement, political scientist sergei kurginyan. well, today she is all thank you for

being happy with us. they live on polesye land and are insanely passionate about their work. here i am at home working all day. so the whole day and so i'm looking for work. well, you know, i'm going at night. here at night i go, i take, an oar and a boat, and i stop at that end of the night, wondering about my native josian conscience. i try to instill and in the lessons under my krovnitsky they are actively engaged and very science until the next activity, how they live their lives in harmony , gratitude will not leave anyone indifferent and

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