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hello, i just want to wish our viewers to get comfortable, excellent composition of experts in this release. i welcome our guests. thank you for taking the time, the second part of the program is in touch with the well-known russian public figure sergei kurginyan. so what awaits you and me is a meaningful conversation . security is the number one issue with this today. and let's start on monday , alexander lukashenko led a meeting with the new presidency in the organization, but i

would like to start with this fragment. we look, if someone thinks that there is a conflict between ukraine and russia - this is not our conflict, which is quietly sit somewhere, nothing like this will happen. the time will come, it is literally not far away. here it is tomorrow, when hmm this time will require to be determined to take a certain position. i am not saying that it is to the detriment of national interests and so on, but with all our allied shortcomings. we will have to clearly define our policy, our line in order to act. i suggest, probably, and your experience to this was pushed together together, always easier or easier alexander such a frank and honest message to our partners in the accident what do you think, everyone heard. first, let me tell you what, from my

point of view , the head of our state proceeded from when he sent this message. i think that it came not so much from an appeal to solidarity to some moral feelings. how much he uttered the simple truth that it is impossible to ensure security alone in the modern world, if we draw a historical analogy , then the thirties of the 20th century, uh, in some ways resembled the current situation, and the ussr urged by all means to create a unified security system in europe if she was created, then the wehrmacht general staff would hardly have decided on such an adventure, because he understood that the combined forces of europe and the soviet union were much larger, but they preferred to sit out in their national apartments. somewhere they played their games, they got what they got, and today we have a situation similar to the need to unite in order to meet those challenges, and challenges. really close to the third world war to the beginning of the third world war

in order to find challenges to give an adequate response, what else do i want to say about this our partners in the dkb need to understand. uh, a simple thing, that the goals of the collective west are not small countries in the post-soviet space, their real goals are russia and china as major geopolitical competitors and they hit these goals using such a favorite method of anglo-saxon geopolitics, creating an anaconda loop well, that is along the perimeter, creating a hostile environment and suffocating in this hostile environment, unleashing conflicts on the borders. uh, setting up military bases there, provoking the chaos that is inevitable it will overflow into, uh, the territory of russia, and there will be chaos, including among the partners in the csd, who will limit with russia in this sense , i want to emphasize my idea once again, and ensuring security. not for someone not for someone else's uncle. this is for yourself, for your

people, and only together. we'll be able to provide it. alexei well, it's really involved. now we will see that last year was such a test of independence , first in kazakhstan, then we saw the armenians and the azerbaijani conflict, where it is very difficult, of course. for us, the situation is with one sides. armenia is a member of the dcb. on the other hand, azerbaijan is such a traditional one for us, a big partner. here it was very important not to aggravate the presence of an accident, that is, understandably, not to resolve the situation. there the task is different, but from the point of view of hearing this message that was voiced in minsk on monday. as you see it, you know, we still have to understand that in reality the cst is a union of sovereign states. and those who are fighting against us are large corporations, industrial banking corporations and they have a plan for the next 15 years. this is the destruction of sovereign states. uh immerse them, and in a state of chaos. e. the complete destruction of any constitutional

system of any government agencies of law enforcement agencies, uh, and. e. hmm immersion, the population is just such a very severe socio-economic crisis. and when the president says that, uh, tomorrow this challenge will come, the challenge is precisely connected with the confrontation of sovereign states-corporations, if we do not resist, and we alone will definitely not be able to resist their huge, and their asset e money supply, but together we can resist and save our world, and most importantly, keep the world in order. eh, completely different. not the one that a large corporation is trying to impose now , i will suggest to the national elites of these countries those who own large capitals, because the russian one has roughly shown that these young capitals, no matter how big they were, they were equal. players in the big arena im quick

at each their place, respectively save your capital when you go beyond your national jurisdiction, if you don't the sovereign is extremely difficult, perhaps this is also a call to the fact that times have really changed now igor what do you think, but let's do it with our opponents and even i would call enemies. here is. in general, what our country has a little less hmm is unity. despite the fact that, of course, there in the west they also swear about how many weapons to supply e to ukraine and how anyone sees the hostilities from the point of view of national interests, but there is some kind of only thing there, if such unity with our side, even if we consider the csto. well, let's just say that there are certain questions about this unity, and this is not the first time we have. uh, hmm, not the first time. the president says that in the csto we should all be united, and this is not the first time we even discuss in this studio who the message was to, and whether they will hear it, and so on, maybe. the time is coming, perhaps,

alexander grigoryevich is talking about this, when there is a reason to revise the list of participants in the collective security treaty, maybe to include someone new, but there are many who want to, because well, countries that understand that it is impossible to cope with the western threat alone, but it is impossible, maybe some countries wish. eh , to leave this union, because from the point of view of the military, yes, and political economic it is very important to feel that your partner will be with you in any situation, but about leaving. yes, we are now in the chairmanship, knowing the style and spirit of belarus, and in particular alexander lukashenko what is called not to throw on my shift here, i agree, but a matter of public discussion. perhaps already quite long overdue. here is the csto, as an organization, what can be done, well, not declarative, but really working . what decisions should be made so that this organization still gains political and military weight?

even more to the level to which it was planned, and andrei petrovich from a military point of view, a military expert yes , we heard another very important settlement, despite the fact that the context is now the most unfavorable and you could refer to it and say that well, okay, we postpone the solution of some problems for better times, who can be patient, but belarus, having become the chairman, and the president said this and i will quote, but the most difficult tasks have become, for example, here i am. hmm, i will repeat the words of the president. we took the risk during our presidency to try to solve these problems that we have, and the caucasus and central asia we have problems there. let's try to resolve them and unite the organization as much as possible. hmm, a difficult task, but is it doable at all now this year , or are we just the main thing to start this way we will apply further there. you understand, this is most likely there, the very main premise that he wanted to tell the president about, in theory, as if everyone understands that yes, if we are all together, we are much stronger, well, in practice, everyone

tries to pull it anyway a blanket on ourselves, firstly, if we are talking about the dkb, it is quite such, well, an organization that is geographically very strong, well, it is located in almost the entire eurasian region. and accordingly, what worries countries, for example, central asia to a lesser extent worries, well, for example, belarus well, and vice versa , what is happening today is great. this is understanding and talking about the fact that you won’t have to serve time. here you need, the main thing is to understand at what stage you won’t have to serve time, because each of the republics is members of the dkb. he perfectly understands what it means to support a special military operation today. it is immediately to fall under the ax for the collective west, these are immediately harsh sanctions, which, moreover, cover all spectrums of the absolutely vital activity of the state, both external and internal and accordingly, whether any state is ready for this. and most importantly, we need to understand, really. do we really need those states

that are really directly involved, as it were, to one degree or another in this armed conflict. i mean the republic of belarus the russian federation do we need it we talk a lot about hybrid warfare. that is, today's actions are largely based on indirect actions, so we are limited in obtaining some modern technologies. we limited in obtaining some resources that we do not have, perhaps we have the opportunity to receive these resources through these countries. maybe this is not a direct military assignment. maybe it will be just dual-use or civilian use. there we will figure out how good luck to attach it. maybe it really is. this is the way out exactly there, which allows us to bypass sanctions, among other things. well , as for the actual use in terms of military force, well , by and large, a lot was not required from the military the political will to unite us. well, you need to, as the events in january last year showed. we will need a little time for this

, about one to three days is enough for us to organize this organization and our main forces. first of all, the collective forces brought into action and efficiency. i think you 've seen it all. that is why it is unequivocal to say that we really need to unite today and oppose the collective west, or we still need to find other entrances and approaches for in order to influence the process on this west, the president’s message was indeed not just correct, but he was still later and was argued by all of these in his words. it is connected , we really need to decide who at what stage will really enter, let's move on then there was another guest in minsk whose visit to the belarusian capital caused serious irritation in the west. of course, i mean hungarian foreign minister petrta. not only that, on the eve of shifts on the eve of arrival in minsk

dared to call the european parliament one of the most corrupt organizations in the world. so here in minsk, with a belarusian colleague , he says that sanctions are being discussed incorrectly on peaceful tracks in ukraine. they agreed on a cooperation program for the whole 23 year, which is the main thing you see in the arrival of the hungarian minister. all of them tried to find some kind of symbols. yes, symbols , moreover, the head of the mead tak himself indicated that his visit would definitely cause sharp criticism from the outside. ah, eurocountry, uh, anglo-saxon, as a glomerate, but the question is what he continued further, we pursue exclusively our national interests, if it’s profitable for us, and it’s profitable for us, well, hungarian, to be friends with belarus, first of all, you are the economy in production, but we will do this too, in principle, your irritation is not important. and that's

just such an independent. uh, the position of independent politics and annoying they do not u obey brussels, they obey said a number of countries a number of ministers. uh, we want so, and the question is what? but the head of a mida he's in including the head of the external economic department, that is, its main task, including the solution of economic issues, and the question arises. and hungary did not support the sanctions policy. and the european union actually receives e resources at better prices , can cooperate from belarus with russia with other countries of the eurasian space and thereby solve their national economic problems. they have lower inflation, and neighboring countries also work for production. naturally, they look. the most important thing is simple the population is a simple worker, they look and say, and then what happens, our politicians have betrayed us, and these national politicians have been chosen. and-and his people and observes it is his

interests. they're interests there, uh america and uh, some corporations. well, this is more, of course, something that concerns such hungarian interests. yes, sure. in hungary, with this visit of the shining one to minsk , it turned out to be pluses in this european field from the other side. no matter what, what is for us it is clear that the head of the foreign ministry, like any diplomat, will not say everything publicly. in general, he, in my opinion, in his comments after the visit. i said that somewhere some meetings were public , some not public, it is important for us that this is a visit, and a person of high position from europe is such a first sign. after all, many want to normalize relations with belarus and russia, but so far it has not been collectively accepted and it is always more difficult to be the first. and the one who will be a locomotive and will first collect all some kind of negativity on himself regarding the fact that it’s impossible to work with belarus like this. but

that’s good, but arta also came to minsk after that. surely some other political ones, european players will come to minsk with great pleasure because they want to work with belarus, communicate with belarus , but but they were afraid of this criticism, now all the bumps the hungarians will take over and then it will be a little easier for everyone else. i think that ours is for our european diplomacy, which one way or another continues to exist and exist well, because there are behind-the-scenes negotiations, not public ones, but for our public pro-western such diplomacy. this is a very good starting signal, hungary in general, she is such a white crow in a european family. we saw how now during the summit in uh, in the eu, everyone ran applauding , hugging, kissing zelensky, while urban defiantly kept aloof. it was visible. he emphasized it. i would also like to tell me about this topic. i would agree with aleksey alekseevich that here the fault line runs along the e, criterion, national anti-national

elites, serve their people serve foreign owner. but what else can i say? i can note a few things, firstly, hungary is quite strict distance. from the cultural policy that is taking place in the european union from that bacchanalia, bacchanalia that is happening, i'm talking about gender policy , about this cultural policy in general, or better to say the antips of pseudo cultural policy, there are strong catholic roots. eh, the hungarian people, they do not allow us to take the path of dehumanization. uh, on the way to the destruction of their european national culture, the second, what else i want to note, but this one is probably such a strong statement , but it is due to the fact that now everyone is very closely following the fact, and who will ultimately win the conflict in ukraine, my deep conviction that the conflict in ukraine is yes, and that’s all they understand this, this is not a local conflict, this is a reformatting of the world, the geo-structure of the world.

and if you join the winner, you can then reap the laurels, er, the winner, and i think that they take this moment into account and put it. betting on e russia on belarus as an ally and russia in this e conflict. uh, i want to emphasize again, and to emphasize that there will be a redistribution following the results of this war. uh, peace, at least in european. eh, the continent and hungary are reporting that now it is necessary to look, uh, and uh, into the future from this angle of vision. well, at the same time, we are. at least i noted that urban was in no hurry. hmm, to show zelensky's special feeling. but in the meantime, welcome. it was very warm, uh, both in the uk and in. brussels in general, this visit of zelensky is what you really expect, that it will bring some real changes on the battlefield or such a ritual story. i will not explain why. the fact is that the important premise of my thesis is that the elite of the collective

west still retained a colonial mindset. they do not see zelensky as a partner, as an equal figure. this is a servant, this is a colony. it is impossible to have a conversation with the servants and it is not necessary to have a conversation on an equal footing; they must know their place. and the fact that they play these games. he arrived there, hugged him there , and so on. it's uh, the audience. i'm sure the conversations are quite different they'll come off as well from their national interests, if they pursue them at all, and, most likely, from those instructions that they get little will give. well uh. now. i think the following is weighed. that is, are they ready to become a participant having already thrown off their masks, they are practically already thrown off. well, it honestly depends. well, the parties to the conflict, we are fighting, uh, and the solution to this issue will depend on specific decisions. will they give planes? uh, will there be other types of weapons that can radically turn the tide on the battlefield provided, but look andrei petrovich, here we are talking, when they

outline their position, no matter how, no matter how they try to say that they are just supplying these weapons, but they are participating in conflicts, but this is ridiculous. that is, it is not clear how far away a person needs to be in order to from information, in order to believe in it, here is stoltenberg. uh, he said, a very important thing is to create an even stronger army in ukraine after any end of the current conflict. that is, it suggests that maybe, not even only a colony, that is, this is a permanent military hot spot statement by stoltenberg, who, well, as they say, does not spare words today in relations. he really is. e has such a character. uh, like maintaining this fire in the hearth of this confrontation. and today nato has taken such a position, they will give both planes and tanks, but only in those quantities that are necessary to maintain this conflict

in order to try to destroy russia from the inside, because the outside from the outside it is impossible to destroy a state that has the world's strongest nuclear potential, which is why the stake is on the destruction of russia from the inside and, most importantly, how they went about this destruction from the inside. they took the path of not using the liberals today, who by and large do not have any weight against the backdrop of a special military operation to raise patriotic feelings, and they are betting today on patriotic-minded people and dragging out the conflict actions will lead to the fact that the patriots, as in february of the seventeenth year , can, as they say, rise against the existing government and this cannot be allowed. although it is precisely with regard to nato itself that it is necessary to take a look at their military strategies, what they expect from us is some mitigation. until 2030, it is clearly spelled out for them and for the first time that in what is what in

the us national security strategy that in strategy 2.000 until 2030 nato for the first time spelled out the republic of belarus where it is clearly defined that they care about human rights in our country, which supposedly violated and the second, that belarus is one of the countries that interferes with the entire world order in europe that is, what they have prepared for us. it's clearly visible, no one will talk to us. here to mind. even such words come. you know, in the background, a bent gingerbread, when they were said by one well-known, uh, ukrainian politician, who said promise them anything you want, and we will hang them later. therefore, nato politicians must be treated very, very carefully at their time of remark. uh, really different sentiments about zelensky's visit on the one hand, we saw spectacular, and such a tour, uh, and the macrons of the scholz met with charles iii, but here is what news week writes , for example, this one of the authoritative publications

of the european tour showed zelensky’s despair and the author of this article brandon call claims that zelensky falls into despair from the realization that the meeting with european politicians does not give any result. that is, what the ukrainians, who should have been represented by zelensky, might have counted on, that is, there is such a place. we have this very a case in point with all this european tour. this is actually, madam, tikhanovskaya, who when this movement with european trips began. here her electorate was joyfully clapping their hands, and now we will live. now everyone is going to be helped in some way. and so on. here is zelinsky, because plus or minus repeats exactly the same path of tikhonovskaya, this immediately causes a wow effect in the audience. there is tikhanov's zelensky and the european audience, which is watching , observing the principles of democracy, the joy of victory over uh, russia and russians, and so on, and then after some time , the electorate of tikhanovskaya zelensky immediately

has an idea. well, it’s good that we’ve traveled and that, no matter how farther what this affects on anything, then the europeans already have exactly the same thoughts, it’s good to come again. well, first she. and now, when we are talking about zelensky, zelensky has arrived again and that he is again asking for money, and what's next? that is , this is an internal irritation. it seems to me, but hmm, on the one hand, our opponents. trying to cause absolutely agree irritation inside u us inside allied of the state, but at the same time, some steps of the collective west, it seems to me that it still causes much more irritation to its audience in europe, because well, zelensky and the topic of ukraine is fed up, and readers of the daily mail are absolutely harshly criticizing it artificially again. let's listen. now why is he even here this is not a british conflict. we must not interfere in this. we're giving british taxes to a telecomic hate-monger. why? of course, the establishment will help him. already accepted

escalation decision. instead of finding a way out please note that i will not die at the forefront of such a european one, and, unfortunately, politics is such an open conjuncture, and then it will all go over and it ’s immediately fashionable for my electorate to maintain the political field, well, status and power, but praise zelensky and talk about that we should stand up for ukraine in the conflict with russia after some time, more and more fashionable, but in e for the population there are other theses. zelensky is not needed. i need to help ukraine why we are doing this. why do we spend a lot of money and the same people. after some time, they shouted that let's help zelensky. they will shout with exactly the same zeal that everything is enough, we spent too much money. why is he coming, because this is just such a european political situation, but here is the most important thing to add. we even see by the faces, european, politicians. not zelensky that indeed

they are all at an impasse. they don't know how get out of it. they can only do. this show he can come there several times a day several times there to call to do. uh, show program, but that doesn't really solve it. the main problem is theirs. they wanted to destroy through ukraine, as it was correctly said , somewhere within a year or two, and lead russia to protests, and the collapse of the russian economy, even after russia was conditionally theirs. and naturally , they could not achieve this further to deal with china. yes, russia was able to mobilize, huh? ma- could unite and integration the association, including the union state , yes, the rocca military group is stationed with us, and they are already forced to play this theater of the absurd to the end, but they don’t really know how to get out of it. they will continue to focus only on escalation, because as soon as they stop the whole world. and

most importantly, global investors. here they will sit for coffee and laugh at them very much, because they lost, but everyone else started. and what should zelensky do, he , uh, in any case, uh, will rise someday regardless of how the conflict in ukraine will end, somehow relate to the words of truly ukrainian , uh, hmm representatives, here, in particular , the minister of foreign affairs kuleba, who, he says on february 23-24, the anniversary of the beginning of his expected, i quote great events, which russia will remember. well, uh, on the one hand , you can't say that they're not preparing something , you can't treat it with some kind of humor and say, nothing will happen. it is clear that zelensky and his entire team are pr people. so some kind of provocation they will cook where it will shoot on the territory, and the russian federation on the border. it’s impossible to say for sure that it was fired there,

but for us, for our population, for our power structures of government agencies. we must definitely be ready for any provocations and know how to respond to it, and most importantly, before that, we must collect all the information about any provocation. it just doesn't happen. yes , there are always, uh, information trails, so it’s clear that now the west needs to make some kind of strong blow against russia information political foreign policy economic financial. well, whether they succeed in this all depends primarily on eh? the way we predict them ourselves is the most dangerous thing here. this is not the first time we have discussed this. in general , it’s even a shame that listen, 8 years ago , the norman four met in minsk and discussed it. there was a chance we even saw some movements, and there were escalations, but then merkel and poroshenko were told that all this was a front. and look now, kuleba

is talking about february 23-24. although a couple more weeks ago, he says that there is some kind of ten-point peace plan from zelensky in the plan, that is, there is no smell of peace negotiations, a crisis of confidence. and here, by the way, i remember. ah. the statement, damn it, is not the statement of the word silvia berlusconi with the experiments of the minister of italy, who just throws zelensky in the face, and the next one was enough for him to stop attacking the two autonomous republics of donbass and this would not have happened, therefore i appreciate the behavior of this gentleman, berlusconi says about zelensky very and very negative really. lately, we see zelensky making a statement over and over again that he put an end to the minsk agreements. although i remind you that he came to power, promising his voters that he would stop the bloodshed from becoming a war. that's how it is in this world, and hope for some kind of negotiations, when no one else can be trusted. forces to watch how

the conflict in ukraine will end after that , rebuild the world, that is, forget about the fact that diplomacy should work. that's how you do it see? well, in my opinion. here, too, one should not underestimate ukraine on the one hand, but one should still look at it not as a subject, as an object of politics, therefore, not everything depends on ukraine alone, on zelensky alone, for one simple reason, which we are talking about now 24 -february 23, if you need a picture, but a picture is needed why first, to show that the money that is invested today, the west will work out, what to expect on this day, otherwise ukraine, uh, first of all from the leadership. yes ukraine, well, here the spectrum is very wide. yes , starting from the fact that we were witnesses of the terrorist act against daria dugina. we saw that there were postings poisoned streams. by the way, yes, explosions of the northern streams, the destruction of the crimean bridge. e attack on the air on the naval

base in sevastopol that is, the same diaghilev airfields in engels, that is, the spectrum is very, very wide. moreover, the supplied weapons, well, they are actually the most modern that are supplied today by the west. they allow somewhere to a depth of 300 up to 300 km to influence it were to it. we must how to behave in this situation in this situation. you know best to answer. you were in the same situation. do you remember on new year's eve, when they also promised to celebrate this situation best of all , general surovikin answered this situation with a massive missile strike, which, in principle, distracted not only ukraine but the entire west from how it is necessary to influence, that is, in this situation military solution to this problem. it had all the defense offense, of course, of course, therefore, in my opinion, we witnessed the new year's events. they really demonstrated russia's readiness and determination to defend itself in these conditions, but to find numbers. and vladimir

putin has a big conference planned. yes , respectively. that's what kiev is trying to do now, it's setting the stage for diverting media attention. and the whole world from putin's statement, because here it seems to me, and the whole world is more likely to remember what they say and what putin will announce. and now kiev is trying, but hmm, to distract from this topic, making stuffing about something will happen, there and at the conference in it some decisions will allegedly be made. but in general, this is such a methodology of arrestovich, talk a lot and make some forecasts. you see something, maybe it will come true and say that you are lucky, but from the point of view. what to do? and hmm when, unfortunately, there are fewer and fewer politicians like i take horseback. and what about the russians there? uh, someone from the west spoke, and the russians have one unpleasant thing. such a trait they do what they say, yes, that's about it putin is perceived by lukashenko , there are fewer such leaders, and more and more political

ones, well, i’ll say rude balabols and conventurers who say one thing. what will they do, really? no one understands . in general, it doesn’t have at all, accordingly, in the near future, it seems that the whole international lomatya will go further into the non-public plane. i think, in answer to your question about how to get out of a crisis of confidence , i am sure that this path will be long, uh, and not at all easy. here is the country's minister of affairs to russia, lavrov said that he had no idea at all about how we would even reach normal relations after , uh, what has been done and how much has been destroyed, but nevertheless, if we talk about the conditions for returning to normal relations, then, it seems to me, it is necessary to fulfill several conditions; the first is to gain one's strength, strength , both economic and military and ideological. here i would like to recall the minister of foreign affairs of the soviet union, our countryman gromyk andrey andreyevich, who was called mr. no, he certainly wasn't mr. us no. he

he knew how to negotiate, how to find compromises. he rigidly and adamantly put his interests not on his own, but on the interesting countries that he represented, and this led to the fact that the ussr was respected, including that its interests were not taken into account by kozyrevism, it was to surrender emotional interests. yes, to be patted on the back, namely, to be able to defend yourself, including, uh, diplomatic military and other means, and secondly, uh. i think a reset of international institutions will be necessary. he other institutions that today we see we don’t work, where he is in all these processes, no one hears at all, but alexander is also a challenge to our internal such integrity, and mobilization in the military sense, but in such a mental cognitive sense absolutely right. now i would just like to move on to the fact that you in your organization have implemented this step. for a long time we have been thinking about how white

russia, when there is a base, can be turned into a political party. and now they have found this way out, when the organization remains a union of yours and the party. that's how it is building, here. it is written off in the context that we are discussing with you today in just a few seconds. i will say that i wanted to support your thesis that we must be strong not only in military and political terms, which i spoke about above, but also in ideological terms , there should not be these flirtations, partners are friends and so on, yes, and lie to yourself. we must clearly understand that we have what we have. our country. there is our national interest and civilizational shende - the identity of the eastern european 116 and it needs to be defended, as far as, uh, parties and public associations are concerned. surely they saw one of the parcels. our country needs instruments of unity and a party. can and should be one of those tools. after all, what is a party? this is a unity built on ideology on a specific

program and division. here is a certain body of value and meaning, this is a necessary condition for membership in the party, followed by the corresponding activity activity. strengthening the country politically in an ideological such a public worldview, what if the plan and that's the kind of task the party can solve it is very important to choose the right spiritual ideological foundations. they are the system of meanings that even today we can call it the ideology of the belarusian statehood, which is largely reflected in the constitution in the messages that we introduced to the updated constitution at last year's referendum. and we don't have much time left, but uh, here, trying to collect the main , let's say, thoughts that were voiced today during this conversation, a we understand perfectly well that now, apart from direct military confrontation. there are much more serious ones, or someone calls it hybrid, who is called a proxy, but there is

really a struggle of ideas, a struggle for brains. that's quite recently. ah, think tanks in the united states of america in england are, as the clock is known, atlantic council think tanks. e, published an article in which, well, i won’t name them, our viewers are not enough, what if they say, but for specialists. these are well-known people, so look how they will tie you up. what things are they they write it is extremely important that friends and allies of ukraine in the west punish the lukashenka regime ; we record the first. and then it will help the belarusian pro-democracy movement in the battle for the hearts and minds of the belarusian people by exposing that lukashenka's support for the war is a direct cause of the growing instability of economic difficulties. that is, they are now correcting the training manual , they are starting what you see with us now, here the war is at hand by the belarusians. this is where they participate. they say that they participated, which means that everyone

our economic difficulties. e about this, that is, they forgot that the sanctions were long before their stuff. and here i want. here you are first to suggest before your answers the president's words that were spoken last week. he said that we are talking about the price process, in fact, there is not a single meeting now that goes narrowly . only on one igor. that is, it is always considered in the complex. let's hear the president today the question is more than the goal. this is the foundation of fair internal order and peace in our country. pricing is the basis of a just world in belarus, this is the main article of the agreement between the government and the people, so we must endure, we must endure, everyone must strive to save our country. i categorically declare that we have everything for this. we can't just keep it. and when this division of the planet is over, we will be an order of magnitude higher than all the facts.

today i can't. so i never cheated on you. all my predictions have always been wrong. look in short, global, i’m sharing, we hear the president says that we have everything not just to survive in these circumstances, but also to come out with a plus, which the situation requires of us. well, first of all here i would like to say that really hmm because. we can say that the west is trying in every possible way to turn away from us. well, let's call it that, then definitely. we already choose completely. the vector is really eastern, this is already visible. well, it's getting stronger in all directions. well, interaction with the russian federation is, as the saying goes. in priore, this as a constant should be very globally interactable today. today, within the framework of the road accident , first of all, as an organization of the state, we form not only actions there or conduct exercises there with collective forces , we interact within the framework of this organization, but also develops very widely in

the educational military sphere. e tendencies have been outlined very widely and a lot. we work in the scientific field. uh, we maintain very serious serious interaction with the chinese people republic, first of all, with the people's liberation army. china so i want to say that here is the east vector that is selected. i think for us, uh, first of all, it is promising for the coming years , maybe even for the coming decades. this can be said, as regards the fact that we must definitely come out in the black today, even if we look to the west. you see, all globalist ideas have faded into the background, everyone has completely begun to engage in the restoration of the military-industrial complex. what's happened military industrial complex military industrial complex any way, this is a boost or any economy, that is, anyway. a component but an impetus for the development of the state in general, as such in the economic in the political, it shows how strong this state is really, if it has strong power, then,

accordingly, it is strong power. it can show everything only in these difficult conditions of the situation, where it is really necessary to make strong-willed decisions and bring these strong-willed decisions to the end. eh, our conclusions are what we have to be in order to go through this track, you know, here is the president, he speaks clearly, he speaks the idea of ​​justice. yes, and uh, according to the lassoal propaganda of the first world war. it clearly says what war is. this is a war of ideas against ideas, that is, our ideas, it is the strongest, because it is very difficult to break it. and that's why the president is not pushing the idea of ​​some kind of free market. let's develop private corporations, let's develop. he says, no, we need to develop so that everyone who comes to the store feels this justice. they are so coming to the store. couldn't buy it. here you are, we express general justice, there will be no justice, internal conflicts will always begin. this one earns more, this one earns less, this one can afford more.

this should not be, and uh, it should be noted that the president did not only talk about prices and about the uneven distribution of income. this is also injustice, and our task now is to make sure that our opponents are ours. well, let's just call them directly, the enemies did not use any technology, ideological in order to rock our society. uh, showing that you see that there is a better car than you and there to do yes, it’s unfair that this is actually, we are at all levels. why? here the president says everyone should protect e our country, because at all levels in all regions of distant points. ah, those in charge of outreach should go and speak to the community. thank you. a is often the simplest thing. and at the same time the most difficult, yes everyone should uh, do their own well, uh business at each particular workplace, but also solves those problems that we have in our country,

as in any country in the world. they are some problems, sore points, just the same , the collective west is trying to put pressure on us and is trying to subdue us from the inside, relying on some of our internal problems. and it would be extremely stupid in this situation to turn a blind eye to some problems, and closing your eyes will not solve the problems for sure, therefore, if suddenly we have some points of tension in society. and it could be prices. it could be an uneven distribution of income. it might be a question. uh, do not know what to do with the fugitive return do not return. and these problems need to be quickly resolved, not giving the opportunity to these sometimes strictly financial , strictly economic, strictly social petty problems, starting with a hole in the road, but so that they do not develop into political problems when, due to a hole in the road in some city . here to try to bring people in this city like against the authorities, although the problem is simple in the pit, but there was no timely solution, so first to see problems. now it is extremely important

to honestly see them, recognize them and solve them. eh, if we do it quickly and clearly, then, in general. these are western attempts to influence us we will not be afraid. thank you alexandrovich for your findings. i think in order for him to reach a higher level, and turn out to be strong, here is a post, uh, of the war era, among the uh, leaders. eh, world, we also need to solve this problem, to part with the illusions and myths that modern public consciousness is full of, after all. uh, a lot of people sincerely believe that, well, in the world is all right. in general, people there in the west, generally everywhere, they are good, they want to be friends, trade there, get married. and here we are talking about some kind of wars about the fact that we need to have a strong army, and to consider such a formulation of the question as inadequacy. rather, on the contrary, it is the inadequacy of living in this illusion of such a complacent and kind world, in which we must enter. well, in addition, a lot of other myths and historical myths, and in this sense

, the work that is being done in our country these are the dialogue platforms that have become a political e, a brand or a brand of political e, culture, and they must continue in our society. and in general, this work with consciousness, which, including our association, is doing a lot, and other subjects of this process, there is social science. well, for many, it must continue and become even more active and truly effective. to be honest, there is an unplowed field in this e in this plane to work. e need. well, thank you very much thank you for participating in our program. but we, uh, continue the program in a couple of minutes, the well-known russian political scientist and public figure sergey turgenev is in touch. so stay with us. we continue, the events that are taking place require not only careful recording, but first of all it is important to see the deep meanings. cause causation. to do this, you must agree

, we need not just experts, real thinkers, and we are glad that today we have the opportunity to communicate with one of them online sergey kurginyan sergey ivanovich hello thank you for taking the uh time for us. thank you for inviting. ah, with the submission of individual representatives of the ukrainian side , the topic of the korean scenario for ukraine appeared, so how do you feel about probability? they will never go for it. let's divide along the dnieper that is, this will be the thirty-eighth in parallel for ukraine let's divide under it what korea is, this is a divided hare, divided into ukraine for god's sake take this lvov and everything else for yourself and uh, how would you exercise there, as you like, at least poles at least someone yes for god's sake what's the problem? one that this will never be understand? why is it never out of the question? boris nikolayevich yeltsin

please forgive me, he was sometimes very bright happy. yes, such people once asked him provocatively like that. but tell me, please, is it possible for a jew to become the head of the russian state? this will not accept the policy. he's so shot. yes, there is no ukrainian politics inside, we will not accept this again. and the second will not accept it. the west does not need it. nobody needs it, eternal war. well, the problem lies in this once who gorbachev told me already somewhere in his fund that while you were still some little things in a researcher. i went there

to meet with twenty-two very influential people, in my opinion he says to paris, i didn’t say mikhail sergeevich europe is dead and will be dead until it boils russian boiler. here the russian cauldron boiled, who needs to stop it, macbeth's witches sit and say, and i'll blow. into the sieve. thank you for that, the cauldron is boiling. yes, and they only accurately verify the temperature. they need a brew that is simmered on a slow fire. yes, it is not necessary so once and for all. yes, we are here in conditions where we will not do anything unilaterally. they will impose a war, it must be won. they talk russian cauldron in order to get results, and we must from this warm-up get results b. just don't talk like that all the time. it is not known that at first it is satanism, and then that

together with the americans we won the cold war. well, don't do this, i beg you. well, you can't look at yours. you guys in official positions are looking at you and smiling predatoryly. hmm my all sympathies. not on the side. those who under smile. why do you give such a reason so impossible. this i say, not to you of course, but to those who bend it all. yes, the names there are so familiar, something from the soviet era. yes so here is the point here. what can we do? only one thing we can create and use the potential and new life from the energy of the russian boiler, which no one will stop. slowly, calmly, not without some kind of dramatization, you need to extract this energy of new life. we need to prepare for even much more troubles, we need to do

everything possible, and thank god that this is so that this is not discharged by any nuclear war. nobody needs her. this means that the temperature in the boiler jumped sharply, yes, right away, but you need to change your life. this is the worst thing they are afraid of, they need to seriously calmly change their lives, leaving all the best that they managed to turn out. well, you managed to do something, damn it, and this is the best to connect not directly with some restoration structures, but with the rethought modules of the past , the rethought nobility will be destroyed so sunni. then they will start negotiations. well, i don't know, like the cold war model or anything. uh, general on general issues will hate all the time all the time to intrigue, all the time

to set something on fire somewhere along the borders, but right now to a nuclear war, they will not go over if they go over to some kind of either. they have nothing to do magically, or a cosmic replacement. there are nuclear, so to speak, devices with some kind of rods from outer space. yes , so that the effect was just as destructive, but without infection. so it seems to me that there are madmen who want a nuclear war, but there are not many of them. so we need to move there. we will not change this constant and do not listen to what someone in ukraine is talking about, no one to share anything will not be. nobody will share anything. it will be completely different to strike more, as if tangibly, using more separate sick weapons and trying to create. revenge. here are the new details around. uh, northern streams, an investigation by an american journalist seven hersh, convincingly proves

that the americans staged a terrorist attack, the norwegians helped, but can this information affect anything at all, given that, for example, the western press, it defiantly ignores this sensational material or even tries to turn hershe into a traitor, or even a madman. oh, can i say, there is one thing, a really very talented journalist. i know an investigative journalist. yes, he stands there 10 well -trained spies. yes, he is a nimble guy and can sniff out everything, but in one percent of 100 cases. this is such a talent. yes, the eccentric is always such a slightly kooked such a sniffer. yes, this is a very important figure. on hersh. it is not quite this, but in all other cases. i want plums to remember this. these are plums, these are journalists with experience

the authority and the corresponding reputation that give information and they make it out, and that's how it has always been in the twentieth century. and not only that, so the question is who leaked all this to hersh. who leaked it to him, but who leaked it, he wants something, yes, but what he wants is what he eats. the most important intrigue in this field, so the question here is that of course everyone will be hushed up and everyone will be indignant, but this hersh, this is not osanj. he is not a suicide, he is from the elite, he is a respectable person. if he understood that he would be strongly b-bom for this , you understand, he would somehow. uh , so it’s like one of the leaders of the pravda newspaper in the soviet era says to me, we are not

a rural life magazine. we don't have directives we have control of ppds. we have to guess what to print? and that there is no pnd board , so hersh is controlled by the trend. he understands where it is possible, where it is impossible. he ingeniously senses where this is a justified risk. for which there will be e gingerbread and there will not be very much more - and where is this madness, and he is on madness will not go, i repeat, this is not an osanj, and it is not simpler, which means that he coldly calculated everything. he talked everything over with modest, and people with grayish faces. yes. uh, like, i think, even not only from the cia. well, somewhere cooler. there is a department more abruptly. so i realized that you can. yes, i received the material, checked it and confirmed it. having issued it literary for this they give pultzer prizes, but for

nothing else you understand, and for another bullet the vlog does not lie down. even when the president, because when a journalist, even more so. and here is an important point, because there is still one operation under the direct supervision of biden's national security adviser sulliwa was not conceived and developed even before the start of the special operation in ukraine, and russia's indignation is understandable , but will the germans calmly swallow the fact that, in general, the main goal of undermining is to deprive europe of cheap gas to bring down industrial power, first of all germany germany absolutely not sovereign. absolutely well, i don’t know, i always said something, there, that i talked when the soviet period, when i was in charge of the center for strategic research, the representative of the ministers of the ussr yes there he talked with such a john frost, so he said that if only germany starts to unite with russia on the ruins of the soviet union, yes, then it will be a nuclear war in europe , yes, but i can say a lot more about

the head of one of the large ones, well, of such an understandable orientation more than us, sympathizers of the german parties spoke to me right in the building of the moats of the parliament. so what about german. so what, i can build socialism in germany in 2 weeks. in 2 weeks i 'll take a few steps, and there will be socialism. and what then, then what are you? but you you understand that then just military repressions, this will all end, so he says instead of doing business , yes, and the new system in germany we will discuss the details of contracts, between hmm employers told me with a boring look, then looked and said that you did what you did. and to emphasize that this is a large figure rather large. so, it's just there that it's all tightly grasped.

maybe i don’t know exactly how i was captured, but you firmly understand that there is no germany germany is not sovereign europe is not sovereign and in this sense, all our attempts to find something, for example, ultra-right , yes, well, at least some rudeness, because if we failed to enter europe, let's at least with someone we will grind something. it is fit for torture, not deplorably useless means. do you understand? well, no, there's nothing guys. it will not help, not in any, there is a conditional alain case, or some kind of this very thing. pen was mortified there, or someone else did fraternal unity. don't know that russia's right on the right of europe is bluff left and wild trash is now all over the world they are destroyed. eh, as if they were turned into some kind

of perverted slime and you won’t understand what else. well , people are looking if there is nothing in the center. and why not go to the right from here and before lunch? yes, but it makes no sense, there is external control. and uh, they have some variations. what bidens and obamas or trumps they have there, it doesn’t matter. there inside there is a core and cast. the core and the elite, which will govern in a simple way, we change the means of achieving power with the constancy of the goal , keeping the strengthening of power, the whole cold face such a sinful, but defusing master of the world, which he, of course, is decrepit and loves to talk about, he defuses, but he remains the master. yes, everyone says, look, he has the fifth pigment on his hands. yes, spots on the hands, but do you see the claws?