so, but how difficult is it to choose a winner in each nomination, and what does a participant need, maybe here and now you already know to understand to prepare, as they say, lay straws? here's what you'll be focusing on. oh, you know, it's very difficult. this is really very difficult, and also because there is always a large number of this amount. here, even at the first stage , after listening and watching the videos, make the right choice so as not to miss some , perhaps, really bright personalities, which will show itself very well in live performance. well, as for the finale , it's really, it's not easy, but uh, because everyone is ready to sing well, play a lot of young people well, sing well, but individuals. there are not so many personalities and the most important task of the jury members is to consider the personality. this is a combination of

charisma and professional training and the charm and character of some bright strong, of course. of course, the personality, it is immediately felt. yes, for 12 years of the competition there are many personalities. you opened up considered who they gave me a ticket. do you know that i will not take on a mission, that we gave a start in life there? no, of course, in no case is it possible, probably, to say so, you can be given the opportunity to prove yourself. yes , they gave the laureates the opportunity, probably, to become a beneficiary of the president's special fund to support talented youth, the main bonus. uh, one of the main bonuses. yes, one of the main bonuses. and, of course, the fact that they then sound on the radio. yes, but the fact that they are already uh, listing their merits, somewhere in some portfolio there. yes they are a must mention that they are the winner of such a

prestigious competition. and, of course, the three-round competition is what such serious people listen to, uh, high professionals. well, that's on its own. promotes our once project. and now this is a real competition, because he lives on and on and i hope he will live. thanks a lot. i hope that just the same in such conditions and a great present team. you will just find the person you are looking for. thank you very much tatyana yakusheva answered the questions of the program head of the department of music broadcasting of the first national channel of the belarusian radio, the results and analysis of the main events of this week in the information and analytical program. rel main ether. all projects of our tv channel are available on the website www.blarus24.by, as well as in social networks. i'm sorry to you. all the best. program

according to the script we are our guests today igor marsalyuk chairman of the standing committee of the chamber representative of the national assembly of belarus vadim lakiza, director of the institute of history of the national academy of sciences of belarus we meet on the eve of a sad date. uh, the anniversary is in the 80th anniversary of the khatyn tragedy. why did khatyn become a symbol of all the burned villages, because it was not even a dozen of such villages? not well, as you know, and not tens of thousands of dollars. well, firstly, close to minsk, some things were also playing telecar games here, so, well, it happened like that. it was khatyn that became this object of argumentation. there was different.

what i mean to say is that when we talk about wanting about past implementation about making it complex, then this is a very important national project nationally highlighted project. it was not easy for the belarusian leadership to achieve that he also received all the allied support, because in moscow there were people who opposed, but the creation of this complex, including the minister of culture of the ussr fursov. but pyotr mironovich mascheroval people to wait and it happened in khatyn. it just symbolizes mass destruction. it symbolizes the complete destruction of the village. she is such a symbol. genocide of what the belarusian people experienced, i just remind you that belarus is the most affected

country from all the german-occupied republics in europe, we have the biggest losses of civilians. and so it was right that something was done. thanks to this complex, when we talk about bathing, we talk about the destruction of our population, then this symbol certainly pops up. he became familiar. in any case, we are at the institute of history with our colleagues within the framework of working groups. uh, who deals with general, prosecutor's office investigation of the criminal department of the study of documents. sometimes discussed and asked the same questions about. why, when, with what it is connected and came to the conclusion that everything that

concerns khatyn is a symbol today. this is an accomplished historical fact of the creation of this khatyn memorial complex. today , such a symbol is world-famous. and the belarusian people of the enocide of the soviet people and the belarusian people are a symbol of all the destroyed, burned and affected villages. i'll talk about numbers today and try to find a connection from the cattle, but no story, who confirms and does not see. this one. there is a version of this connection that is not based on any sources, because it is purely sucked out of your finger, that type, and in order to allegedly, let's say, mix the tragedy of polish officers under the smolensk container, they took a settlement that is similar in name, but er, destroyed by the nazis and the germans. that's

why we chose khatyn to place no documentary evidence in some kind of correspondence, let's say. it's sucked out finger, that is, you understand, uh, there is a version created. the fantasies of either journalists or people who make these stuffing, and the historian, er, is based on documents. if there was such a document, if there was such a justification, well then we would agree, but as far as i know of such a document, there is none . but they have nothing like that, that is, my colleagues have never published those who were engaged in specialized, so here. well, i think that after all, in any case , the logistics played a role, purely related to the fact that hmm is not far from the capital. what is it just the territory, about which we are talking, this is a very active partisan zone, a very powerful partisan movement over this territory was and therefore these things

played their role, because, uh, again, the belarusian image of the great patriotic war, which finally canonical belarusian. this historical narrative was formulated just right. mirovich of the century when we talk about creating the image of belarus fighting against the nazis. who is finally full-length from the brest fortress to all other nuances, this is just the sixties and seventies, but then the belarus film, even partizan , was called a film as a joke. yes, but this was precisely due to the fact that, uh, the really belarusian flat partisan movement had no analogues in the world. uh, because if we talk about scope, then we are the first in the world. uh , we can only compete with him gloriously for ourselves, but in fact, if we are talking about active resistance to us occupied by these occupied countries in the territory

of the occupied countries, then we are then mercy and then greece, here are three peoples who have really been active in some recent data. how many villages repeated their fate? yes, just, uh, we recently literally completed. uh, this is the first stage of the work of the interdepartmental e, working groups, created by order, for example, the minister of the republic of belarus uh, this working group included 30 e scientists. e, institutes, history academic scientists museum workers archivists lawyers and representatives of the prosecutor general's office. yes, yes, and we analyzed. uh, a few dozens of, u data presented to this working group with reasoned objectiveness from the study of all documents, uh , characteristic criteria that were used earlier in relation to this list of khatyn, which

included 186 settlements and came to the conclusion that today this list. uh khatyn is supplemented with thirty on green points one, a settlement from the mine region four, minsk region. and i’ll also say everything else on the ninth zero of the third e of 2023, the general list of e, settlements destroyed and injured, because this one, e criterion for the victims or partially, yes, and the victims e, it has 10.961 settlements, maybe, e. this interdepartmental working group does not stop even from the prosecutor general's office from the regional ones. uh, six prosecutor's offices of our country received today, uh, data on more than 11,700 settlements. this is according to the documentaries. e sources as a result of interrogation of witnesses still alive and this is the task

of scientists and members of this working group, and to objectively analyze remove apologize for such a word, all the controversial points, so as not to give later opportunities for a certain criticism of the issues that may arise, i will say five main criteria. it uses e, the four main ones have long been from the book of the genocide of the belarusian people, somehow the so-called black book, then without a statute of limitations e, is used, where more than 9.300 settlements, points and the fifth criterion are included. we specifically approached this, worked out , worked with uh lawyers, settlements that suffered as a result of property damage to housing construction housing and utility buildings , administrative cultural, educational and religious objects, regardless of their total

number. these are the affected communities. this is the correct approach. uh, here, uh, i think like a story, like a leader. uh institute. uh, as a member of this uh working group. today we see a map of the affected settlements, it is also available there . in principle, there is not a single free place and every resident, probably, of the republic of belarus, uh, of many neighboring countries, who remember, uh, the tragedy of the history of the great patriotic war. they can bring their settlements to point their tragedy to their own. eh, the kind of relatives close to everyone, this is the historical memory, it sits deep in the soul. at the beginning of the program, you said that not everyone, especially the higher leadership of the soviet union, wanted to have a want to be a memorial complex. and why is it also because of the one who destroyed it?

why were they silent about it? you understand, we had such a dictation of the soviet germans. and some little bit of some kind of requirement incomprehensible, which runs. but when we talk about belarus, there is another very important point. and the belarusian nation gave the minimum number of those, the minimum emphasized the number of those who collaborated with the places according to various estimates from 20 to 27,000. there are those who collaborated with the germans with weapons in the hands of this ethnically belarusians, who served in various military, but in german units. they were opposed by, uh, 374,000 in partisans. and this is without a reserve? from these 374.070%. these are ethnic belarusians, i emphasize ethnicity.

why am i emphasizing such an important point, because there is a myth that supposedly the partizans are the nkvd officers, the infiltrators, that there was no belarusian, that it’s all the rest. moreover, olesya home was right a thousand times when she called the partisan war of belarus a crusade of children, because up to 50% of those who fought partisan detachments were people aged 15 to 25 years. and if you're not mistaken, 15% of you are girls now why well, because in khatyn, and belarusians were burned along with the germans and ukrainians by ukrainian nationalists. and it was very unpleasant, including for the soviet leadership of ukraine, which did everything possible and impossible not to focus on these things, and

there are still people who say. why tell what you see? why did they destroy the latvian policemen, who later joined the squad. well, why? well, why talk about the lithuanian police, and the second one has already been told a story? why do i think that you just need not to confuse the two things. uh, there were ukrainian nazis , there were ukrainian radical nationalists, who relied on hitler a were people willing to cooperate with weapons in their hands on the side of the occupier, and therefore i believe that silence is not true, always give rise to even more monstrous myths. here, what myths, let's say there are, according to hotyni today , first myths, because it was in fact. that's when this collection of documents came out, yes, and it's dedicated. just here are the documents. that's what he's called. eh, the killer of khatyn. and how did the fate

of the punisher of khatyn develop differently, uh, some of them were able to escape the last of them vladimir katyuk, who died in his bed on the banks? we all know ontario. yes, yes, even today, even on the internet, wikipedia gives lists of names of those people by family who participated in the destruction of the village, there is a little thing and vasyura and katyuk, who was deprived of canadian citizenship for 10 years, but the ukrainian lobby, achieved ukrainian water, diaspora , they returned him and did not extradite the criminal who personally took part. the fact is that those e majority of those who

remained in the soviet union were not exposed the first time, because, well, they also did not told of them that they were what they were, but who fled to the west? no one was, the issued prosecutor's office initiated a law that involves the involvement of even dead criminals. i don't know if this will somehow help punish the guilty, at least let's say formally to punish these guilty, probably, i think that i think that in any case, but the court - this is a very important point. uh, because if a person is not recognized as a criminal by the court, there is always a field for speculation. i believe that this is correct. this the first moment the second moment when we are talking about it is precisely with these heroes that one myth is associated. the fact is that in ukraine independently , collections were published with glorification of the so-called bukovinian smoking, which is shown

as a heroic unit that fought for ukrainian independence. and what is bukovinian kuren, this is 115 118 ukrainian security police battalions, and the fact is that the 118 ukrainian battalion consisted of the first company, elite, ukrainian, 118 security battalion, squad commanders, by the way, he served as a detachment - these are the nationalists of western ukraine; other companies were recruited from residents of kiev, kiev region, as well as from ukrainian prisoners of war. and there is such a thing, you know, they like to speculate on manipulation on what they say. here, if you score now on the internet. do you think the soviet officer burned khatyn soviet soviet officer, vasilira, yes, 20 years old, 27 years old, but they forget that this person? was he a convinced ukrainian nationalist that he voluntarily went over to the side of the enemy, that he graduated from propagandist courses? even after i switched

on the side of the enemy, that this person, so to speak , was the flesh of the flesh of that tradition, despite the fact that he was not, as they say, the names. i will only say one thing, that when we talk about khatyn, uh, we know for sure that the main destruction actions were carried out by the 118th ukrainian security battalion, as well as a motorized company. uh, the sonder of the ss battalion of crap affer, plus the dilevans for rush also had a ukrainian company and a russian company, and then another forty-third year and a belarusian. 149 of them 75 children under 16 years of age were destroyed, that is, such such a huge number of punishers for such a small village. well, this is the most interesting thing that happened when people

were already driven out. they set up there. translator , i don't remember the translator, then the punch. the commander of the smolfsky battalion, all the rest . they were standing. and when someone jumped out, that is, the child jumped out. there it is according to the testimony of the same punishers who were already judged at the minsk trial, well, it is clear that this child will already die. he is on fire. everything else. here they are, like an elderly target , shooting there for a bet who will hit, yes, but kotok which was recognized as unproven charges according to the testimony of his colleagues. he lay in the rock at a distance of 120-150 m. here was the entrance to the barn behind a machine gun and finished off people.

and therefore, well, when we talk about these things, we must remember this , therefore, when we say who destroyed khatyn, we must speak in the ironic right of truthful and correct khatyn, the nazis, german and ukrainian nazis, were destroyed, not the heroes of the liberation of ukraine, but the nazis are people who belonged to a faction of the organization of ukrainian nationalists. only not bandera, but the melnikovites, because there was one chair they did not share. so, as part of this bukainsky chicken coop, just the backbone of it was made up of staunch ukrainian nationalists of western ukraine, who obeyed e and considered their leader andrei melnikov , who argued for e. what is called the palm with stepan bandera and another very important point when we talk about which one. but the fact is that since 1995 this scoundrel. and he became an honorary citizen of the city

of chernivtsi and that's not all. and this is not all for his money in bronze was cast and stands and no one will not cover with paint, will not turn off with a bulldozer , they erected a monument in bronze to the heroes of bukovinian smoking for those who are monuments to the soviet soldier of activity, that is , i explain in the ninety-fifth year, for the money of the executioner of khatyn. independent ukraine in the ninety- fifth year, that is, the roots you are looking for, of course, a monument was erected to the murderers of belarusians, who formed the backbone of two punitive battalions. moreover, yes, one more thing

, uh, for those who start shouting propaganda about the fifth tenth, i strongly recommend learning. if you don't know english hammer in the russian surname per- anders ruling is a swedish-american historian who wrote two fundamental works, one devoted to the murderers of khatyn. it was the atrocity in khatyn of the 118th ukrainian battalion, and the second work for all their other atrocities on the territory of belarus, that they came out in english, then they were translated into russian. there is another generalizing, where he brought these two works into one. uh, they're available online. there, the whole texture is a cross-analysis of sources, it was emphasized by a person who, according to nationality swede, he now lives in the united states and the glorification of radical ukrainian nationalists in the era of the bloodhound

is detailed in the same place, and his peru in e, belongs to the best most objective work on the atrocities of the heroes of the ukrainian rebel army and sixty try to falsify him and the leader of the novel enough for a long time in europe and not only in europe, but in this case it is a very specific thing, where a person gives statistics. shows who killed, how they killed, who breathed what? what ideology these killers had it, and precisely because he shows it honestly, and very many people don’t like it, because i wanted to, well, agree with igor aleksandrovich in regard to. probably the culprits are nazism and specifically the country that unleashed the second world war and was the culprit. e of the great patriotic war, the tragedy of the genocide of the belarusian people, genocide is not disputed today and the destruction of the slavic belarusian population, as the holocaust

is today confirmed and confirmed by international, probably, documents and those documents. here, which are, uh, in a number of collections. e, books of literature, e historical articles, thousands of articles and dozens of monographs, but you see, here we are. today we are arguing, we give an example, e, the tragedy of the belarusian people of the soviet people, and, e, a specific example, the village of koryukovka, chernihiv region. uh, on the first second of march forty-three, a punitive detachment of the germans and the ukrainian auxiliary police destroyed 7,000 civilians in this heartburn , this village, and there are such examples in lithuania and latvia when latvian villages were burned. uh, this is a specific example. when yes, that's about everything and remove the monuments.

i will explain those monuments, the answer is very simple, to be honest to the end, the fact is that the mass destruction of trees, the mass destruction of the population in such a volume that it was not in belarus , nor in ukraine, there is no baltic states and i would not advise here especially in russia they also like to talk about the genocide of the soviet people , which, from my point of view, is a fundamentally wrong message, because the soviet people of all citizens of the ussr - this is wrong, because the occupation, for example, of lithuania, latvia, estonia, and the regime of occupation of lithuania, estonia, had a completely different character than the occupation of belarus , or ukraine, or, even more so, russia, because great russians were considered people of the lowest grade among the slavs, there is absolutely nothing cruelty,

ukrainians were not mentioned about anything there. rosenberg, playing on ukrainian nationalism, believed that another thing could be effectively used, that ukrainian nationalists were unlucky, let's say, with a loosener, because koch considered ukrainians, typical slavic pigs, in which you need to control with a whip and shag. this is his direct quote, therefore, but at the same time, when we talk about these things, various modes of exploitation and various genocidal plans in relation to the fact that, firstly , mass destruction in belarus why else was this the same label showed. why didn't the germans plan to leave. there are only one million three hundred thousand people here, because they believed that it was necessary to destroy the entire urbanization structure in spite of the new ones. myths. the germans believed that it was precisely as a result of urbanization and the implementation of belarus that the number of the population had sharply increased. many extra eaters, then they just don’t need a hunger plan e, developed

by the german ministry of agriculture, so they didn’t think they needed 1.300.000 in belarus. this is the north, like russia, ukraine, the north caucasus, and the crimea there is a different mode of operation there, uh, and here we were a training ground for a land surveyor. and where is it and most importantly, why is the difference the difference is still on the scale of the partisan movement and the difference in the number of collaborators in the number of traitors, because if you take the statistics and look. how many of these battalions each had on the territory of each occupied republic, you will see a rather interesting situation, because let's assume such a number. how many latvians went to the germans. eh, among the belarusians there were not over 100,000 in relation. this is the soviet people of the belarusian people and we have a law on the genocide of the belarusian people of a criminal case investigation of the belarusian people, but uh, this is the platform we understand each other with our

russian colleagues should not be perceived as like what we are here, like diving. this is one thing within the framework. e work on e, the study of e genocide. i'm just saying what stories, where i'll explain one more thing. uh, the fact is that the nazi germans had a differentiated policy towards various ethnic communities located on the territory of the soviet union. they knew ethnic nationalisms. all pribal something in gruzino in armenian muslims, and they are these schemes. they played the cossack card very beautiful jewelry, because the cossack movement - this special thing, by the way, is also very interesting, and therefore difficult. therefore, when we talk about these things, the german plans were differentiated. and that's what i'm talking about, so when we just talk about the genocide

of the soviet people, then at least. we need to make sure that we understand that the prosecutor 's office was indeed a step that was taken on time, and i thank you very much for the interesting conversation and i really hope that our memory will allow us not to repeat those terrible mistakes in the future. thank you