the soul will find a lie not to eat, the truth is always true. my name is gregory azaryonok. this is the secret spring of politics. hello mommy. she dreamed of a better life for her little blood, she collected a handkerchief for a little kitty, tied it with herself on the bus, cut it up daughter went to poland to the holy panya , where manure smells like roses, but it’s sweeter than a master’s boot and no, it’s not that everything here is stubble free straight sternum compresses straight live don't want to live about this regimen emancipation. and that now in the slammer it’s not here that there’s no zamogarstvo, but there is a real polish shack in the basement on the kichman and it’s not rybnitsa and who will intercede for you , your blessed sveta fedor valentinovich, i mean, the franken. or maybe prokopiev the swan

kotenko or pal palych no one but belarusian propagandists is your fate, an interesting little girl. and what, when the president of belarus has been repeating for 28 years that no one would ever need giggles anywhere, did you believe in a democratic world where specialists and young students are in demand, where you can join the market and the distribution of labor. but he spoke only at home, belarusians were needed, they were kidnapped. and what, and the fact that the dirt under the nails of pan you pasture special services on sailors and thrown into the walls. so who is to blame, who i ask you, the president did not warn propaganda did not repeat, all conditions were not created for you here. well, eat up, don't sweat it. in this regard, me. here is the thought of the positive step, butyl of the drunkard's son. and what sympathy for you there is no this surname do not think. you look how the baby was raked. you imagine what will happen to you. school you

once will meet the morning with a hole in your head. who is guarding you there, the local defensinva knows a lot and it's scary you will never admit it. i know that it’s scary, maybe the term in belarus is better than the light 9 g in poland , really, because that’s how it will end. you yourself know that it will be so. let grandma not write. letters to the chairman batt. let him write to the commission as soon as possible. i will have to spend money on my son's funeral, or do you think the polish secret services are somehow drug addicts to you treat differently. believe in the same way come back you fools. come back. you are hostages there. you are expendable. you are expendable pansky material and only a commission for the return of the fugitives. can you grow up only the kindness and breadth of the soul of father lukashenka is salvation for you or torn nails in the basements of polish lithuanian czech dungeons and none of your merits can kiss the peoples. the harsh world

of capitalism will not help you, it is like that, and there is no other way to build a river. and we'll tell you about donbass provolnovahu zhogu and himars about almost killed children the ruble smell and you kozlovsky supporting it on march 5, 2022, during the evacuation of civilians from the city of volnovakha of the donetsk people 's republic, vladimir zhoga died, hero of the dpr , hero of the russian federation, successor to the legendary motorola as commander of the sparta battalion march 5, 2023

belarusians also honored the memory of the hero. under regular shelling, the front is a few kilometers away from the gathered children, journalists and just local residents of bandera. decided to hit with a haim, one flew in at 20 m , the sighting second, which flew exactly hit the air defense, just recently an artillery shell flew here, and in 20 meters of this place an event was held with the participation of many children. mortal danger is everywhere, but people know what they are fighting for, like every russian person has a personal

story, because my grandfather fought in the great patriotic war. passed from the forty-first year from the encirclement of the yama to the capture of berlin, went the whole war. and of course, as his grandson, i want to be worthy of him. know behind the shield or on the cheek?

we do not tell dry historical facts, we plunge into the era. this red brick building, located on the eastern outskirts of the city, perfectly reminds of those times, when one of the oldest belarusian enterprises worked in dubrovno dneprovsky manufactory artifacts of secular history, a real puzzle for us, as time travelers, what is this good question little paddle my option. i'll give you a hint. these are

hygiene products, ear sticks, the task of our guides ignite in you the desire to touch the belarusian culture, personally. if a girl touches slutsk in the sura belt, then it becomes everything, but men only had the right. such belts and touch the silver weather do not find traveling along with the tv channel. why this direction is so interesting for many countries of the world in different regions. well, including our country. because the earth of africa as they say , the great is abundant in the first place, africa is a pantry of natural resources for the planet more

the third known mineral reserves are concentrated in africa and these are coal, oil and gas and rare earth metals needed for microelectronics and gold and diamonds. secondly, uh, africa's climate and soils are favorable for agricultural development . sustainable development of agriculture . in africa, it can greatly influence the solution of the problem. e hunger on a global scale. and besides, africa is a big territory. africa is a growing population of more than one and a half billion people and the growth dynamics is positive. at this is a young population, that is, according to experts’ calculations, in 2050 the proportion of young people will be 60% of the population of an african country africa, while the necessary equipment technology infrastructure e competencies in

the field of high technology education medical care and e. therefore, in one form or another, all countries with an export-oriented they are trying to ensure their presence in africa with the economy. that is , this is, among other things, something that belarus can certainly offer to africa. and how many diplomatic missions does our country have on this continent in general for the years of cooperation that began. well, probably for the period of independence for the years of independence with us. uh, open five diplomatic missions of our anchor points cover key african regions. this is south african egypt. public nigeria kenya and zimbabwe however, we are not limited to our interaction with these countries, our ambassadors in africa are accredited in a total of seventeen countries. uh, in addition, we are represented at the

un office in nairoba, where is located the headquarters of the program asis in many places. we share the same view with african countries on many topical issues on the international agenda, we are actively cooperating in the united nations in the non-alignment movement, we can name such countries as algeria, the courts of angola, as a result of the state visit , our interaction with mozambique will receive a new impetus. well, as for specific projects. we know that these are also implemented. what are the loudest loudest last days, of course, this is a project agricultural mechanization of zimbabwe's head of state. during the visit, the second phase of this project was officially completed and dali start was third and, according to the reaction of african countries , this project and this experience interested them in the relevant signals, which we positively received,

they also certainly have assembly production. at the moment, we have assembly facilities for tractors and mtz in egypt. the republic of south africa has an assembly facility for trucks in egypt, and at this facility. we already have achieved a level of localization sufficient for our equipment to be used by electric power bonuses within the framework of free trade agreements in force in africa. it concerns trade in general, what we bring from africa to belarus and vice versa, what belarus supplies from the most significant, in addition to technology, in addition to technology. er, our african partners are interested in our pulp and paper industries, our products are interesting, our metallurgical products are also of interest to african countries. uh, my food products are chemical products, and we building relations with african countries

, we proceed from the fact that our interaction. this is a two-way street, in addition to pure imports. and we import, for example, coffee, seasonal fruits and vegetables from africa, and we are also working on the prospects for building up cooperation between the african extractive and our processing industries. e between e, light industry corresponding for example. interest in the supply of cotton was indicated during the visits. eika, a native of belarus, became famous all over the world. a new operation was taught. this extremely wild.

you can ruin all the new things on your hands, one sonorous screech is worn, discovered a new mineral called it honor dads for the stretch of his own has risen in price, and he, bitch, with tangible burdens and the suggestion of yazykov, is already dark from the very you chose this particular film in europe , it’s the same, the city there alps carpathians perm chikagorshavtsev moscow

then first of all you see our company. differs in special quality. e, for which we are not ashamed of the enterprise team. i sometimes say that i'm going home. i, well, sincerely say this, that i love my assumptions of the enterprise, which, probably, simply does not have a second one. this is at least 90 years, we produce plywood. we have probably increased production volumes twice this year. we provide on -the-job training. we are focused. that is , we know that there is whether to stop today. tomorrow development will not be watching the quality mark program on our tv channel.

director of the memorial complex khatyn zelsky artur garevich, and we will probably talk with you on those, uh, different topics that interest both us and the audience program. say, don't be silent in the studio victoria popova and tatyana shcherbina and today our guest is arthur zelsky. good afternoon. good afternoon. glad to see you again in our studio. we saw each other almost 2 years ago. here and then a lot was said about the horrors of the war and reviewed this record of our today's meeting. she was convinced that at that time we did not even

suspect that she could come so close to our borders, what do you think about this situation of yours, what is war? it was literally hundreds of kilometers from us. again once again proves that history makes somersaults that are not even dreamed of in a nightmare from the other side. there is nothing accidental in history and everything is natural. what is happening is the consequences of the collapse of the soviet union and a. its collapse, too, in fact , was the same regularity as the collapse of the russian empire of all other empires in the world. but what did it result in? it turned out to be a disaster. this is my opinion, a terrible catastrophe is happening. blood ditch. divides the peoples on

the living, the fate of people, the families of people, are torn there is something that could not even be imagined, you know, was once everyone knows him. naturally, well, who listens to the opinion of andrey andreevich gromyko, the minister of foreign affairs, he was the chairman of the supreme soviet of the ussr that is, in fact , the union for a certain period. he spoke better. 10 years of negotiations than one day of war? and he was a belarusian, and how right he was and how right again i just know, that 's when so much vensification was announced before that on the internet what will be the next year after the year of historical memory of me. this i was just very interested, really interested, because historical memory gave us a lot. us much

not only us. eh, personally, to me or to the khatyn team there. no, he gave all of us to all of our people gave a lot of state consciousness of who we are and so i was wondering. here's what the sequel will be. and that's when i found out that it was a year of, uh, peace and creation, trust me. i was genuinely happy. it was like this. that's how such a small gift is. this is exactly what you asked for. yes, yes, it is for peace and creation, not war, not destruct. because this is typical of us, we have so much swallowed a full spoonful of all wars of all kinds of catastrophes that, probably, we are like no one with all our hearts and everything is there, anywhere. with these fibers of the soul, the skin is rude, but nevertheless we know what war is and and what it costs, because it’s not like every 100 years with regularity, here every almost half a century everything is what

they made, everything went away with a flame fires with smoke from death and people who could give birth to offspring, if not for all these warriors, i don’t know how many millions tens, probably millions of belarusians would be on our earth, i mean, only the twentieth century. i don’t take it, there were 19 periods when millions and millions of people also died. we would even omit the patriotic war of 12 or the northern war. the northern war, where every third person died, not only died, it was hunger, cold pestilence, everything that accompanies the war, because these are also losses, but again, these are such average numbers, because, for example, e. well, as if in the northern war, the shklov county, uh, lost up to 90% of its inhabitants, can you imagine, almost the entire population of the region disappeared. that's why things like war, we

, to put it mildly, do not like us, this is not typical, because what mom told me is family education, as i think. now i realize all this, all these horrors of all this war. they are in me and i personally do not need it. well , i think the majority of belarusians adhere to the same view, because here in the family, as this grief touched, but the informational reason for our meeting. this is certainly the eightieth anniversary of the khatyn tragedy, on march 22, 1943, this tragedy. and it was precisely by the twenty -second that it was planned to complete the reconstruction of the real complex and immediately begin to build a museum. simplify it to the point of impossibility. the main exposition that will be there is that people came before joining the axis here, so that their hearts would already vomit. well, the task was so clearly set. you are generally satisfied with the progress

of the reconstruction. that's how much we managed to do from what was planned, well, firstly, the reconstruction has already been completed. at least in that part in the central part of the memorial village cemeteries. uh, the trees of life , of course, it's this central part - it's unconquered. this is the roof of the shed, because there are these slabs with which, let's say, the symbolic roof, of the shed were covered, and each slab was removed and polished and soiled and put in order and put in place. that is, to bring all this is that this is what this concrete has been for 50 years. it just turned. here is the sand in the paint, so it was very important and it was done, as for the museum in the museum. it was your dream too. well, the museum is a museum still planned since the distant 1969. what are the reasons during the reconstruction, we saw,

and the building, in general, fits into the ensemble. as it seems to you, yes, the building completely fit into the ensemble both in scale and in proportions, and even inside. and what did they fill it with? tell us a little, when the concept of the museum was written back in the twenty-first year, even well, nothing was said about the fact that all this could be put into practice, when he wrote the concept of the museum, he weighed the analysis of those museum expositions that exist now, at least in belarus well, in the russian federation, that is, you understand, uh , it seems very from my point of view, maybe i'm wrong three times and now the museum workers will attack me with their fists. e, well, it seems to me that e exhibits in general. eh, we have a statue of a young girl, made in full human growth, it is transparent. she

hovers like a ghost in the darkness. the only statue that we decided that it would be made in a museum, because you can at least 10 instruct these different ones, there and emaciated prisoners of war or some kind of soldiers, it will eventually erase everything, this is the whole effect of emotions. and here it is a girl. she is the country of all our young belarus, which, in fact, sacrificed itself. it was a sacrifice. it was martyrdom and this is her exaltation in spirit. this is inflammation, if you like, well, for me personally, this is one of these culmination points of museums, one of them i emphasize, because if there are certainly others, but about everything, it is necessary

to see from the position the sculpture of a young girl who goes to state-owned photos, and she has their real prototype. these are our belarusian girls, who are known to very few people. to date, there is still a lot of work to find other names from this obscurity, and this girl was not an underground worker in the city of borisov and her name was kim aklombotskaya. she mined echelon during this diversion. she was also captured after being tortured. eh, the treasury on the square in borisov , you are generally an active supporter of such expositions that take your soul, and for many years you have personally conducted these excursions to the memorial complex. eh, from your experience that really capable of taking for the soul, and

were there any tourists who left the memorial complex? well, what is called with a cold nose? well, firstly, you can’t say about everyone here. eh, people are all different, absolutely all different, and most importantly, as it seems to me again, it seems from my point of view. this is the emotional mood of the one who conducts the tour. that is, if he personally is touched by this topic. eh, it doesn’t matter, even some topic, or in this case khatyn or some other topic. he will always be very emotional. and it will be passed on to people who he is surrounded, even if he has been conducting this excursion thousands of times already , even if he has been conducting this excursion thousands of times, then emotions will certainly be transferred to people if he is dry, uh, well, no one will give any recipe how to wake up,

and people are definitely different. and who is leaving. well, you understand very well. this is very rare. at least, if someone goes with a guide, emotions are always, they start to go off scale, because if you go by yourself, you always khatyn, i mean, already. in this case, the memorial will remain a certain secret. it will not reveal itself entirely, that is, some things, some elements of the memorial. they will stay away. i want to support you with this girl, that this emotional impact can be strong, because we remember that furtseva also did not like the history of the invictus memorial. yes, then she was present at the acceptance and it seemed that this was not a competent soviet art, but nevertheless. it has become a symbol. indeed, both the country and the grief of the whole people in 1794 in khatyn

was consecrated the church of the fascist virgin mary and it turns out after 2. years in 2023, it was recreated, this temple on the territory of the burned village, do you consider this a miracle? you know, i 'm still a historian, i believe in causal relationships and patterns of events nothing accidental in history there is a chain of accidents that gives rise to a pattern early or, uh, it was. well, it came from within. you see, it required itself. life can be some big words with no one, maybe three times, not right. i don't know, but this is an inner need. ah, she played her part. and it so happened that the head the state drew attention to this , that it is necessary to recreate the temple on

the territory of the memorial. just as it was then at the end of the 18th century, ours recently took part in this illumination of the temple, and we hope that it will become a place of worship. yes, which is very important to be open. to visit as, again, one of the parts and one of the elements of the memorial, where you can come and think in a calm atmosphere by default, if you like , light a candle, that is, please, people, come, uh, especially since the history of this the place is very ancient. it comes from the middle of the 16th century. and then, probably, there were some temples. they just became left for us, probably already forever unknown to our meeting. you said that approximately 50% of the truth about the genocide of the belarusian people during the great patriotic war was revealed. and what do you think, that the prosecutor general's office started and the process of restoring all the facts

of genocide against the belarusians, er, the belarusian people as a whole, er, helps to fill in those very blank spots and find out if any facts historians. ah, museum workers. uh, thanks to that's it exactly this prosecutor's investigation undoubtedly because the agent of the prosecutor's office, firstly, actively cooperates and transfers it to all museums for temporary storage. uh, those artifacts that have been dug out of the ground from the places where people were once killed, this is a terrible find. it must be seen again. it's all this one that remains, essentially a person. in when he was killed it was these small things that people carried with them. maybe without even suspecting that with them will happen. what about white spots? do you understand?

this story is far from over, despite the fact that today, for example, the number 10.961 is set, the village destroyed and or suffered during the war years, this figure is still far from its completion, because the work continues, serious work from the side and prosecutors and on the part of the interdepartmental commission that deals with e, historians are engaged at a very serious level, scrupulously examining each locality, so that god forbid how it is said that there is no mistake, because there are some accidents that may be, therefore, the work is still far from being completed in this investigation for you, and khatyn something new has appeared, some data the prosecutor's office is working on. more than others, well , yes, the village, about which, again, those that

did not sound in the sixties in the seventies. and if they may have sounded somewhere, then somewhere like that, well, conditionally on the periphery. you understand that the most important thing is where and in what direction the search develops. and what about the hut? eh, then about there almost everything is known about the tragedy of the village from beginning to end. the only thing for me. uh, i still have to find out for myself personally. who gave the order, and there was no destruction. yes, well, yes, there are some historians suggest one person, major- eric kerner. eh, the commander of the 118th sharft, others are talking about arthur rilke, the head of the security police of the sdelogoy district. storm furet ss there is some possibility that it is possible to find out, that is, where is this

probability and sooner or later all this should be found out. and what are you, well, here with the reports, you also need to be very stable, where they don’t lie like they do in war. well, that's why these reports they always tried to present their actions in the best possible way, and therefore that report is known to erich kerner. he appears to be fighting. it's not some kind of mixture of truth and fiction. and you also said that his whereabouts have not yet been clarified. yes , he managed to escape, he disappeared, and apparently, somewhere, until the beginning of the seventies, he lived quietly in germany. pause one more question i'll ask you you said that you can't stand the hut, i'm curious about indifference. were there living facts confirming this thesis, that is, there may be some kind of rejection. there history was stuffy people. uh-huh

well, either on well rather indifferent. rather , i would not say that they were indifferent. rather, they looked at all of this with squinted eyes. yeah, well, with a certain distrust with distrust with skepticism, considers this as an element. e soviet propaganda that supposedly it was not all, especially in the part where it concerned not only the destruction khatyn. how many even punitive operations of their scale that belarus has embraced, especially where, let's say , punishers participated, if you can call them that. collaborators, although they were punishers from the former soviet republics, let's call it so softly. and why do they continue today to the anniversary give their dirty work, that is, we read from them in telegram channels. uh, these

stuffings are constantly and the films have already been promptly spanked again there, who, on the arson of khatyn , questions themselves, according to their version , people came up with this, and i’ve been with this for a long time used to come across that options people were hiding and accidentally died. and almost the partisans set them on fire there and such nonsense. excuse me to eat. eh, but again. it is known that the partisans left khatyn, that is, very quickly at the very beginning of how the punisher was just approaching the village. the guerrillas began to successfully leave without taking any battle. that is, there was no battle, and what they say is a trophy. uh, no, the trophies of the punishers are completely insignificant and there were residents of the mother who put their sons on the horse, that is, they understood that the grandiose it's very hard to figure it out. it just seemed to them that they needed to save their son so that

two germany might not be hijacked by an adult such that a tragedy. they couldn't even comprehend yet they couldn't even imagine. you see, viktor andreevich zhelobkovich lobkovich told one of a hundred one of the last witnesses. more precisely, the very last survivor. well, he died in 2020. uh, he told me like uh, that it was some kind of day. he was very clear about this, then he remembered that it was a bright sunny day, with bright lights, the sun was melting, this snow and then these streets were run by brooks and children who were driven out of their houses. for the most part, they were barefoot, that is, some kind of shoes, and they fell into these puddles with their feet, such cold melt waters were full and laughed merrily, that is , you understand, psychologically, and people

were not ready for this, so maybe if uh-huh the partisans accepted the battle in khatyn, perhaps people would have been saved more for nothing, then voronyansky handed over this already well-known order of his that the partisans should be banned from filming in the villages during the day. at least here in the unit in the brigade he commanded. and we will break for a while, i remind you. we have a telegram channel, say, don't be silent. subscribe to ask questions. suggest guests. we are in touch and today our guest is the director of the khatyn memorial complex arthur zelsky for his eighty-year history, of course, the memorial complex has many pictures. for example, we found such a photograph on bel tovar khiva - this is a witness to the khatyn tragedy. iosif iosifovich kamensky tells the children how we see, but it's scary

march day of the forty-third year, and the photograph of may, i assume that may 9, 1968, but why would you like to discuss this particular photograph of our generation with you , do you still remember these meetings, yes, with witnesses to the tragedy, and these stories are all. it really was so let's say for us for today's children, but who will tell? firstly, yes, and somehow it must happen and whether they are also attentive to this history, because for us there is even a museum of the first congress. rsdlp - these were mandatory things to visit during school time. now. it seems to me that this is not so at all. well, let me tell you a secret. i was not, thank god, at school in the first in the museum of the first congress of the rcp we were not taken there and something, or i ignored this process and wrote a book about minsk well, this is a book

about minsk, they are a museum of the drp. does the history of minsk have anything to do with this house? no, that's the legend of minsk does not correlate. for some reason, with those who gathered in 1898. at least until i found one of mine. their favorite stories in minsk, this is a fairy tale of a merry witty merchant who was somehow looking for a wife and decided to find out, so to speak, who of them would be. the best as a hostess. he came to the city, having bought in the rural circle, uh, different things, what is called sodovina-gorodniny and began to change it, to change it for dirt and dust. well , of course, everyone around was delighted and the girls were absolutely like that for free. here he decided to make an exchange and one of the girls brought him a very small zhmenechka. here is this

dust, and he asked, why are you beautiful? gave, but she very much, so to speak, blushed and said that i didn’t have more. it was immediately clear to us that she was a very good hostess and the merchant without hesitation began to send to her in his matchmakers . do they plan a lot or even the same relatively recent only 100 years has passed the first world war or the war? here is this polish-soviet, which here also went like a skating rink from west to east then from east to west in the twentieth twenty -first year, 812. yes, that is, how much do we think about it, how much does it touch us?

no, it's already gone. this is inevitable and this process is inevitable. and now comes a generation for whom that war is no longer painful to say, history. we must go as far as possible. hold on as long as possible here it is, so that hmm is not overgrown with grass, what is called not that oblivion, we are not talking about oblivion. we are talking about rather about this kind of indifference, if you like, not without memory even, namely this should still cause emotional outbursts in the soul. sympathy should be sympathy, empathy, and most importantly, empathy, you understand, so that the one who came to khatyn, in this case, to khatyn, because we have many such memorials, these are alla and borki yeshunevka and others and dali so that they can somehow relate themselves with those dead people with those dead children, if

we are talking about children first of all, you understand, if we achieve this, honor and praise to us, but because those witnesses, they are gone, they are no longer will never return. why and i always say that family education is very important, family traditions, the school curriculum - it's great. this is wonderful. it is important. it is necessary and no one actually. in vain it is useless to deny it, but the school should also aim at ensuring that this happens in families and it is not necessary to remember there, uh, about the grandfather, in this case, a front-line soldier or partisan. let's just have a task for the kids to have a memory lesson. i'm here to see you schoolchildren today or not, or i would like more schoolchildren to come. why do schoolchildren go, but if there is an elementary school, are they all aware of this, because when an elementary school is brought to us, it is conditionally there the third and fourth grade. yes, they

have not yet saved this story through themselves, they are not ready for this. until recently , they read fairy tales, yes, or watched cartoons and now, that is, they still do not understand that it was a reality for them, this is for them , they are still far from perception. this is all the more sparing for children's psychology tour of the memorial. it is aimed rather at the perception of the architectural landscape. eh, than. here you go, this is the perception of this ensemble. rather than some facts, from which just trembling is also such a serious question, maybe, uh, spared. well, when it all became a game and resources. it's just that these trips need to be repeated. eh, well, as adults, as if reading books, go eat your own basics of pedagogy, from which we will never leave, and secondly, uh well, will the children of even

today's generation understand everything, even if we show them then, probably , many, don't we get marshmallows thanks to this the practice is that they are brought first at the same age, then at a slightly older age, and then the main thing is that, relatively speaking, they bring them. for example, from the uh students of, say, a secondary school, there are sixth or seventh grades there, when they are already ready for all this, then the high school will come to repeat this and, for example, there are very few student youth. here's the problem, with the student youth being very active in pre-reconstruction in these works. what can you say about the contribution of students to the construction site. was he significant meeting young people? i said that so that they understand that i do not work this place, that this is not just some kind. troika is another opportunity to earn that they

are making history, they are making history. here they will go through there for a couple of years there , or for some time, he will come with his young lady and say. here, look here, here, this particular one, for example, this grave in the cemetery of villages. here i worked and put my hand in everything. you see, we always, we always somehow lose sight of the circumstances that weekdays, these very ones that we have. we're making history. we are its creators, in fact today. and how do we create it so it will be in the future. that is, we are already recording these pages and the same museum today. this is also another and very bright page in this history of khatyn, which today is already inscribed in our great history. interesting, or how did you feel it worked? how to say it?

hands down. let's say. this is so of course the name was run by professional builders. who did this, but they worked honestly in good faith. that's something you can't take away from them. they worked, and it was evident, and not only this one, there were subbotniks. and when it was necessary to help there, uh, really a memorial. well, it’s just that in some places where work has already been done, to put these in order, the top layer, and to cultivate the memorial, that is, the guys worked hard, that you boys and girls all work for me. well, let's talk a little about you then, let's talk about when you first came to khatyn. oh my god. it was a very, very long time ago. i will not even say that i was not a schoolboy. it's definitely student age. yes yes it was and it was just a trip. it's just our company went, just went.

because we were on our own. i had the feeling that i was in a silence that should not be broken. something must be kept silent here, that there is no need for this rhetoric, and if there was any story of the guide then, then personally, i probably would have seemed superfluous. well, it seemed to me then, you know, they were like that. well, such a sense of dimension. i will try to understand why the nineties are happening, and i remember when i first came to khatyn. i didn't need any other words either. we knew the history of this place. uh, we knew what our uh relatives were going through. yes, uh, in those harsh times the military, but, perhaps in the current generation, this conversation of the guide is necessary in order to somehow explain and convey it is for this that this museum was actually created on

the exposition, so that the visitor who arrives in khatyn. he could not just walk along the memorial, but he could first dive into this dramatic story of ours full of tragedy and horror and tears. let this pass through yourself, and then go to the memorial and complete the memorial and museums. they don't oppose each other. this is a global delusion, when such conversations are already heard now, that the museum is superfluous to them spoiled the memorial. well, with such opinions have to face. if you can call it that, that in fact it is not, they mutually complement each other. this complement each other, because these generations have gone or these generations are leaving. even now children who were children of war. they, too, are leaving already rapidly leaving, moreover, this is really, then the architect and the first to think about this museum. i think that, as

always, there were not enough funds or some other ba. the reason is, but you have been director since the eleventh year. we remembered your first trip and managed to do a lot while being there as a leader in this memorial complex, how he personally changed you. there are character traits that you have developed due to the fact that you daily when you come across this place, if you are conducting excursions, then you always have to tune in to khatyn, to this wave, which it radiates with this sadness and so on. excursions are very emotional and people listen then this is such a change, please, i have such a setting. at least. yes, it didn’t come to me right away, maybe it came, because, uh , you understand, any excursion, like

the exposition of a new museum, it will not immediately start working. it's like any mechanism must first get used to these gears twisted and then began to spin on their own. here, relatively speaking, the tenth and twentieth tour of the exposition will pass, and that's it, and we will go. eh, our eh girls. eh, everything will go by itself, like clockwork , nothing goes smoothly right away, that is, the place must accept, of course. uh-huh, certainly the place should accept it should not reject the one who came to us with also got a job. if they were around here, well, i 'll work. i'm leaving, well, what can i say? we do not hold anyone by force, so well somewhere, something, uh, did not agree conditionally speaking, because there are those who have been working with us for many years and the memorial accepted them, or rather, it is correct to say that khatyn accepted them

, this is a question. uh, indifference is what i wanted to hear from you our first part. so, i think that it is only possible to work in cooperation here. yes, with this place of this place and with the awareness of this whole catastrophe, or precisely the catastrophe of the belarusian people in the second in the middle of the 20th century. and you've actually found the answer to your question. why do people fight and is it possible to live without kill each other? live without killing each other, of ​​course you can? whoever said that you can’t live without warriors, you can live without war, recent practice, the last one after the second world war showed that if you restrain emotions, if you negotiate for 10 or 20 years, then you can achieve an effect. his own, well, unfortunately, the world rules the world,

sometimes evil stupidity and greed, these are all the vices inherent in man. they take on character. uh some irresistible things and then happen and a layer of war and destruction and again. this is hate. the desire to oppose oneself to others is what later became known as fascism. after all, fascism, it appeared not only in the xx century, as a political phenomenon? yes, but how to call the extermination of many peoples simply extermination on the spoke of the wheel? when they killed everyone from young to old at different periods of different times, not only on our land, i mean, in general, this same thing cannot be stopped. do you already

know? when did you write books on this topic, when have you been working for so many years? i'm not philosopher, me and historian. uh, and if you think in historical terms, then the war. unfortunately, it is human nature. she they are also inevitable. they were and will be, and we will not get away from them is another question. how to prevent this, so that these shocks do not come to our earth, that's why here the roman recipe can only be given by a spaniard as a historian. it’s time for him if you want peace , prepare for war, i think you, and your book , on the screen of khatyn, the tragedy of the belarusian people became a bestseller, and we know it has not been sold aimlessly until now since the bookstores, really. not in every final store i personally checked and dismantled it and told me that karl marx is in the center

of the tourist city of minsk, at least it’s difficult to buy it. and we know that you are going to write the second sequel. what will it be about uh book. well, if it works out, all uh, god forbid, if it works out, because all this is very difficult. it will also be a joke and about the tragedies of individuals, namely individual people, as well as the inhabitants of khatyn, that they survived their experiences. that is, this is an addition, rather an edition additional. uh, some boring facts that were not known before and these facts. eh, just separate them. well, you can’t read them and remain indifferent, that is , all this is very difficult information. moreover, when preparing the exposition, museums reviewed a huge number of photographs of documents. photo documents from the same film background archive. and individual frames, well, and

the photos are simply amazing on the one hand. this is the desire of people to live on the other side. here is this inhumanity of punishers and fascists. i don't know how at all name those people and the people or they were. let me take a short break. after a short pause, we will return to this studio, while subscribe to our telegram channel. and say, do not be silent, but look for all our releases on youtube channel belarus 1. this program is called self-intellectual sports and the most sports and for intellectual. well hello. well, who ok so hello in karate. here. i know that karatekas greet each other with a bow. hello, here belarusian

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