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pyotr petrovsky, philosopher, political scientist, researcher at the national academy of sciences, let's talk about the geopolitical situation that is taking place in the world about those ideas of meanings that today are fighting each other in the strongest way and fighting for them, but also the future that awaits us and awaits, probably the whole world. hello, you are watching the program, say, do not be silent in the studio, victoria popova and tatyana shcherbina and at a party. today we have political scientist pyotr petrovsky good afternoon, pyotr, we are glad to see you. uh, usually after the belly, fluttering topics one of them, uh, at the end of last week , the city court of minsk sentenced marina zolotova and lyudmila chekina to 12 years in

prison. they led the well-known publication tutbai, what you say is harsh, rightly hard to judge, because he was not an expert on the case unfamiliar. that's how it is with the materials of this case, but i can say by studying this film, which was a notebook the company provided for viewing to its viewers. i would even say that a rather mild sentence to renovate a simple reason, because the motive of their activities. they are simple some kind of sabotage, but the real goal is to participate in an attempted coup. let's say this frankly, because these are the same participants in this whole crime that were interviewed. in the film, they directly said that the same gold called for a clear choice of nights who

side and used political motives. e illegal anti-state struggle. by the way, we have. let's watch a short excerpt from this film and continue to discuss, of course, the moderators had a question what expression? and you can skip no matter what, they turned to the general director of tutba and media lyudmila chekina with this question . later she prepared a rather interesting training manual. the seizure of power by force by alexander lukashenko, power rests only on bayonets. unconstitutional seizure of power i believe it is permissible is an opinion about judges, corrupt and so on about the courts that arose genocide a form of mass violence, which he defines as an act committed with the intent to destroy in whole or in part any national ethnic racial or religious group. the moderators asked to clarify this point again, if possible, my opinion hmm in terms of

the correct application of this definition. we are not currently facing genocide at the same time. i do not believe that if someone expresses the opinion that genocide is taking place, one classic said ermanakh roman does not divide the truth into the opinion of a typical sophism. yes, let's say someone says twice two five. well, that's his opinion. and in such a formula, we can go as far as personal insults to discredit one a person by another person who climbed into the noose, and there was a lot of social enmity of such some kind of individualism of egoism, by and large, manipulation. e behavior by the public consciousness of seeking out some opportunities in the legislation. e get around it. uh, it's some kind of manipulation. no more, no less, with the aim of,

uh, complicity in uh, informational and psychological pressure on public opinion. so they didn't hide it. they took advantage of the fact that at a certain stage even we got a buy here. to say monopoly uh in the information space of the internet, when tut.by went there millions, but did the state shifts understand? how important is the internet? uh, and it turned out for them, that tool for inciting psychosis hysteria to incite hatred in society. here. uh, the example of genocide is a clear understanding. un tut.by. agrees to blur this understanding. and this is said by a lawyer who should know the journalists themselves. moderators hesitate to write letters and each time they receive a response. everything is possible

then it is. in general, thanks to ksenia lebed for showing the facts in this film, but i don’t have any experts . i want to remind them that in the collective west, democracy in general is a rule of thumb. behavior, that is, there is a selective mechanism through which everyone must pass, and those who question this mechanism, those who are subjected to powerful sharpness, an example of this trump let's remember. uh, the twentieth year before the austrian presidential election immediately in relation. their were quite drastic measures. this is including france, uh, where are the yellow vests. as soon as you went out into the street even for the truest truth and started, uh, organized to go, what restrictions do we remember with you now the new incredible vests are the french. again

, protests against pension reform continue in paris, and very harshly, and in other french cities the entire democratic arsenal has gone into action. this is the clubs. you see, small grenades came out and a trail of sharpening gas, but most of all, like a turi. of course, it hurts me to look at paris now, as it looks like the mountains glorified their social system with a deep social state. why was it called, if not red, then, as they say, the pink state of the european union, where the gashist socialists played a very strong role, as they accept the state , the economy was built, where the state and state regulation played a dominant role, by the way, even today more than 50% of the country's population not employed in the private sector. and in the state , about 60% of economic entities are not

state-owned to one degree or another, and those same scavengers. yes, which are not released today. this curious moment is worth, who will stand first of all and the infrastructure of the social important railway workers, scavengers. drivers, we saw the bus e, attempts with the main slogan to reduce the state to reduce the state presence in france . for the second consecutive term, the system that has lined up the parliament, since i remember this is the pension reform, this law is not discussed even at the parliament in france in france and behold, uh. we must not forget that there is a lot of nationality in terms of condition. there is a huge national area, there breto is not allowed from the right of us. eh, this is the first moment of the second moment. uh, our

constitution was criticized until 22 years before our referendum, that we had such a centralized constitution, uh, in the edition of the ninety-sixth year. although it is less centralized than the french team. the goal in terms of management remains, but in terms of the philosophy of the state in terms of focusing on a simple ordinary french. it is not macron, e serves just the elite torn fathers. that is, not even national business in many industries, for example. the same nuclear industry, but the nuclear power plants of the company that should, that is, they, firstly, lost their birthplace, the inland french deposits were depleted the second moment. eh, they lost a deposit in africa, the fact that they are gradually coming from there for generations and there are no those specialists

who can organize the construction of this studio, economists here seem to be revealing the old ones they have. we must understand that these are old technologies of the galician model of french. the one that we see the macron wants to integrate france on the american rules, rather on the rules of transnational corporations, instead of the national french medicine. there is no such good education. he has the worst working conditions. hmm , and the prices of corny areas are simply rising, because it is very expensive and it’s not a fact that he will be able to compete in france with other countries of the european union recently in your telegram channel. you wrote that the complete closure of the eu borders by belarus cannot be ruled out. why do you think so?

because the european union, or rather, not even the european union, but to whom it is subordinate, because the european union cannot be considered a completely sovereign forest fence. and not only belarus emphasized. eh, the questions of migrants in finland are not worth estonia, but why is the construction of an iron fence being carried out there with the russian federation, and for finland such a huge thousand kilometers. uh, it's the first moment of the second moment occurs and more and more new restrictions are being introduced on obtaining visas for the movement of citizens. e in london why because london has e groups of lobbyists in the baltic countries in poland in finland , also the same one that, uh, through uh, us through russia, there is a transit of not only

our russian goods. yes, well, first of all , chinese goods london and great britain she , uh, did not sign any framework agreement on leaving the european union, and by and large it is beneficial for great britain today to worsen the negotiating positions. e of berlin brussels, paris, they are already weakened by the european union, we must understand this. and how to make a clear indication of the miracle of the european union? cheap russian energy resources are already cutting them off. everything, moreover , almost less than 10% is bought by the second moment the chinese industry, when a western european company produced due to good chinese discipline and cheap main thing. ah, the british. the americans are also in a hurry to force the european union. uh, everything, time, uh, to increase military stands

at their own expense to kiev, that is, and this is the third point, as it were, the first mechanical method simply uses replenish mail, supposedly for some kind of honor, poland will close the border there too. yes, uh, the second point is the expansion of the war zone. i have a clear idea that we are behind various sabotage groups, or the personalities are hiding. their preparation by, uh, british intelligence services, not even american ones. americans in this regard are always ukraine in one moment. and on the other hand, so that nuclear weapons do not spread, it is not known to whom, but the british, who do not want to be under berlin and paris, on the one hand, on the other hand, they don’t want to, and they are ready to lie under the americans. eh, this is ecumene. e your periphery

from the countries of the satellites and allies, which they lack today, so they climb iran, see what kind of events were. uh, at the beginning of the hijab. then e terrorist enterprises, then mass poisoning in kindergartens and schools in various parts of the country. this is the moment nagorno-karabakh we will see back in may a very curious situation in turkey is elina and paris are ready to eat serbia with the help of armed conflict, among other things, plays into the hands of great britain sabotage tourist attempts to destabilize the republic of belarus signals to us that it is not ukraine or the kiev regime, not their special services that are interested in expanding the conflict, but

those interested in seeing the war from the baltic to the black sea. and this eastern europe attention that britain is not on the information agenda. that is, they act imperceptibly by someone else's hands. i’ll just give you one figure in 2022. uh, one taxpayer great britain and its taxes allocated 60-7 pounds for special majesty services. it is clear. and if we compare how much one taxpayer with v- allocated money to special services in the united states of america germany it is about 18 euros. we will see a striking difference. uh, british special service, they are the biggest bet of the british elites of the british government. they have the biggest history, uh, and the biggest network in the world. and so we

must understand everything everyone learned that this is an american british cat, and i can confirm they act so you open the door in front of them, they will not go. and although they asked this door to open, this is what you are talking about. you have to understand one more thing given all scenarios. and what does this mean british, well, western, at least, moles sat very strongly in some corridors , to put it mildly, here, uh, the main thing for us is to prevent these moles. uh, so that they climb up to us, the fact that the british embassy worked very actively until the twentieth worked in the public sphere. hey, i've encountered these had to participate in correspondence discussions, including discussions with her in the embassy itself. she called me. she and i have been discussing for a long time, as i

remember, we need to do something with russia. yes, she had many different messages . i couldn’t call it anything else. although, when we talked with her, we showed examples that the west itself promoted in latin america differently. yes , capitalism and not obsessed with such a left -wing liberal, e . this quite right, but back to the british, so we’ll take off as much as possible, we need to be careful, and they climb out their agents climb out. e, in any one like this. noah situation on the air again, the program say, do not be silent. and today our guest is political scientist pyotr petrovsky well, in

the light of what you said. in the first part, it is very curious to consider the visits of alexander grigoryevich over the past few months, which made our western so-called friends of partners nervous. and now i understand, not even nervous macron xi jinping calls. uh, should have us uh, draw our attention. and how britain yes reacted. why is peter nervous, i’m generally curious to observe such a nervous reaction, especially among our fugitive experts again. why? because their counterargument is, the most primitive low racism, there is a civilized world in 40 countries that are the best, the most correct, with which you need to build relationships more, what is important here is that the other 160 countries of the world are not 40, the first, yes ? others are now building a new architecture and economic relations and the issue of security, and

the president of belarus did it with an eye to this, i recall november, 2022. uh, it was a kyrgyzstan summit, and our president said that now there is a task. what can be done to combine the future strategy for the countries of the conditionally collective east in this strategy? we are the republic of belarus seeing ourselves as one of the leading countries it may seem that well, what is nine and a half million states. well, we have examples in the western world, yes , there is austria belgium there holland is the same you are exactly belgium austria cites as an example, as a number and or as passwords in this there are two factors, firstly, we are in the same situation as belgium and austria after the second world war, only then they

were a in a situation of building a western american world, and we are in a situation of building a collective east and these countries that's security. the e of the western market have found their very advantageous place, that is, their surplus value in the economy remains; they have certain specializations. that is, within the framework of the collective east, we must have the most advantageous place in the division of labor in the technological chains of sales markets, that is, belarus should be a brand for iran for china, for the united arab emirates for african countries. that is, we must set the tone and we must be. uh, that's exactly the norm of quality, the norm of technology for these

countries. that's what our task the president is just trying to shoot. for example, at the end of last week. hmm meeting shemanom. there are a lot of things in and in the uae and in iran and in china and with russian president putin, that is, we are now trying to formulate and begin to implement high-tech joint projects. first of all, artificial intelligence. it-technology microelectronics word president, then went to planar is a very important enterprise planar today. eh, planar. today, even china is interested because it has a shortage of such technologies and industries. and the most important thing here is that we build mutually beneficial e,

technological chains and modernized our production so that we are part of the sovereign collective east and-and sanctions can be like in belarus iran there china or russia one of the interviews about gost yes, as long as we adhere to the european international standard, this is the accepted norm for them , we are western, we depend on them , it is curious that high-tech china has now begun to set trends, which is very strongly irritates european americans, then that the one who first creates the gosts of the norm. uh, which will include some improvements to the european union certificates for organic farming. i got interested in this issue there, looked and was surprised, it turns out that the soviet union with its bio-honey was in first place far before some kind of

organic agriculture appeared in the west, where at that time they poisoned everything in a row and ate these pesticides. ours is biomed this name of science has some of the most advanced biotechnology and we can certify our biomed and do biotin certificates. e fake organic farming. uh, many points, uh, which are very strange in the grand scheme of things. uh, that is, we bow to which country obeys or does not obey. it seems to me that we should bet on our philosophy. i can also tell you that i have no doubt about the soviet bones. this is a garlic crusher. everything is fine, and now it was breaking down, and everyone on the field of miracles is looking for these old frequencies. only i mean that we can quite set trends, but how ready are these countries,

with whom we are talking about china uh-huh and the chinese. why did they take european standards? first, they took it when the council broke up here too. there was an empty field, that is, most of the countries refused the guests, did not accept anything, did not offer anything. the replacement themselves began to copy the west, the chinese had to at that moment, when they had a catching up economy to produce it, but as soon as china reached certain points, and the results of other industries, somewhere the same european union, or the united states found itself in a less developed situation , the chinese immediately began to develop their own standards, and here our task is to offer, for example, to operate on the same civilian biomud. will they agree to this question, and the chinese are difficult negotiators, but you know, volkov is afraid not to go into the forest. although the chinese are far from wolves. they just have

their own mentality of a person, in order to then make a certain offer in their favor. russian political scientists kirill petrov maria snegovye denis chubarov recently completed an interesting study called the genealogy of the current russian elite and here we are would be interested. i agree with my colleagues on the soviet nomenklatura. well, here it must be said that it is anti-lipid and out of the system in relation to the soviet nomenclature on the territory of the entire former soviet union. yes, we’ll even take gamsakhurdia in georgia. he is, in principle, despite the fact that he was almost a dissident there, allegedly. it was included in the system of deeper research by historians, because there are some facts that popular factions were formed by the kgb of the ussr as an opposition to the conservative parts of these players such that zenon,

poznyak system kgbshnik. uh, we can’t say that he’s a direct employee there, as it were , but i don’t think that without there at the institute of the art institute other places, if he hadn’t been connected with the state security system of the soviet union and on this hmm uh -e indicates many facts, that is, pozdnyak very freely produced a department of various kinds, actions. late 1988 suddenly began to roll, late grouse suddenly began to spin the media, moreover, connected with the communist party. moreover, i remind you that in relation to the belarusian communist party and in the ussr , e, it was like this in belarus, e, from inside russia they appointed the second secretary of the cska kpp, which was nonsense, because the central committee has always been. e from

the national personnel, and here there was such a paradox and a little man. i don't remember my last name now. i think he was from the belgorod region. he described what, just the task was set for him. soften to promote overhaul. here is an example, that is, perestroika is not issued by belarusians from the topic, then let's see what the same kebich, all the elites of soviet belarus produced. they are actually. eh, lay down podmovskoe. yes, that is, under brnf. they took the whole family of the logical in the cultural part. e, what's more , then the question arose that the red directorate already wants to participate in privatization. the privatization law was adopted in 1993. the only thing is that it was not implemented. this is already allowed by someone else. uh, according to the scenario that is common in the post-soviet space, privatization. uh, the elimination

of state property and the strong welfare state the creation of oligarchic groups. here are three. he was such a non-systemic director of a state farm. what other director of the soviet union preserved the system in any former post-soviet country, preserved the industry and preserved a strong state, in my opinion, we saw a crisis of numerous state institutions in russia over the course of 30 years after the collapse of the ussr, this crisis was also 93 years old and russia today, conducting a special military operation. she has the task of getting rid of these remnants of the nineties by and large, i'm not talking about other states that did not break down, which adapted and modernized to the existing situation.

this is very good, because in this regard we are closer to china. the chinese never have a standard. well, of course, we have kept the industry there to the extent that could be saved. eh, if we called ourselves an assembly shop, then a lot of components are so -called. yes, they have already ceased to be necessary for us to close the plant too, but maybe the project that we are implementing with china. uh huh then that we fit in not by breaking our industry, but by creating a joint venture. chinese. they speak directly. here you were the assembly shop of the soviet union, you bought it is not known where these components are now after the collapse of the ussr, and let's create a joint venture with you with these modern ones. what you can do, show what you can do, we use it, well, such a sensible approach, in my opinion, i would also like to have one more topic with you, well, sick to discuss the monks of the ukrainian orthodox church being evicted from kiev of the pechersk lavra until 29

martha. they must from there. get out, well , uh, they say, uh, all representatives of this church have no grounds for such decisions, strongly, metropolitan pavel of the lavra recently recorded a video appeal. these are very big questions. big intrigue. are the banks ready to deal with the navigator of the kiev-pechersk lavra? i think that here, uh , different scenarios can be considered from direct forceful action here. uh, before the attempt to block the kiev-pechersk lavra. well, you monks, let's go hungry, let's see how many of you she is, enough of this game. to unfortunately, today there is such a jesuit scheme from the yokops that says, well , this temple needs to be transferred there,

he asks the population of non-believers, non-communities, uh, the second point. this is a dog, as it was created by itself in an administrative way for me personally, so in the commonwealth for about 25 years it was generally outside the law, but what did it lead to? this led to, uh , it seemed to lose the territory, in fact, speech, the commonwealth as a result of the brest church union divided it, then, there is such a goal withdraw. leave outside the law. yes ukrainian. i believe that if there is no control specialist for kiev. i would say that the rhetoric of this in vladyka pavel itself cannot be said to be directly anti-ukrainian or something else. that is, what is being discussed here is not about anti-ukraine uh-huh, but about the fact that the ukrainian orthodox church offers an alternative ukraine to build a ukrainian

state, as a state on e. physical it's nationalist let's see what the opc did with lavra. we have just from the outreach department photos, what happened when they received this laurel in 1988, and what happened? uh, the photos speak for themselves very much, that is, uh , it was yours; look, that is, they waited until they put it in order and was e more than once in the kiev pechersk lavra, i can say that this is a huge center, but christianity. it's not for nothing that it was even called east slavic jerusalem well, in general, now it will be very interesting to observe the situation. it already seems to be moving on. i would also

added a third point, which is now superimposed on this, it is important that in orthodoxy. the subordination of the dispute is there the main patriarchate of constantinople, or the main thing is the cathedral administration of the church. yes, but the fact that the patriarchate of constantinople is torturing orthodoxy and introducing some modern western trends, and we actually see that there is a division into e, such a pro-western one can, so to speak, about the liberal patriarchate of constantinople, which has a very curious subdivision in the form of the finnish autonomous orthodox churches. ready already. uh, today the church is georgian. the same orthodox church. like a very, very conservative church. and this is the division. it is being added today as well. i think that it is even more global than this division. these are some seven-minute geopolitical contradictions. let me take a short break. after

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