hello on the air, the program sas is authorized to announce and i am its host nadezhda sas greetings to you. i remember. this is a program for those who want to better understand what is happening in the world and understand how these processes, events, people will affect the life of everyone and the life of the country, and the main events of world politics this week. we will tell you right now at the beginning of the week , chinese president xi jinping made a three-day visit to moscow court. he even issued an arrest warrant for putin on a far-fetched case, but the visit still took place. the chairman of the si clearly made it clear that he generally shares moscow’s approaches to the ukrainian crisis, and is also set to further develop allied relations with

russia. along with alexander lukashenko’s recent visit to beijing and tehran the process can be said to be irreversible. investment of an informal coalition of sovereign states to counter western hegemony in the face of unprecedented eu and us pressure on belarus and russia the leading non-western countries not only did not turn away from minsk and moscow, but actually supported the challenge they threw to the american-centric world order, which is in the dustbin of history. the french president, despite mass protests and dissatisfaction with the parliament, managed to push through his version of the pension reform , the opposition's attempts to force the government's resignation ended in failure , and large-scale demonstrations on the streets of french cities have not yet led to anything. at the same time, the police do not particularly stand on ceremony with the protesters, they use special equipment and mass arrests. the french leader himself said that the authorities should have the right to stop this or that strike

if it causes significant damage to the state. the polish ambassador to france, jan emeryk, said on the air of a local tv channel that in the event of ukraine's defeat , she would enter the war with russia herself. poland, official warsaw hastened to declare that the words of the diplomat were taken out of context , meanwhile, if we estimate the number of polish mercenaries in the ranks of the ukrainian army. the scale of deliveries of arms and ammunition put pressure on the republic of belarus will not be an exaggeration of the assertion that poland is already a factual participant in the conflict with minsk and moscow and today's discussion. i want to start with a quote from a french writer of jewish origin, who witnessed the rise and fall of the third reich, romain garry, patriotism is the love of one's nationalism. this is hatred of the alien about why the line between the first and the second is so easily erased before our eyes and

about what unlearned lessons of history led to the revival of the nazi virus in europe and today's program will be discussed. i am pleased to welcome our studios are already present at the waist. with liukin as executive director. foundation. historical memory. igor marlyuk, chairman of the standing committee on education, culture and science of the house of representatives of the national assembly of the republic of belarus, doctor of historical sciences , is glad to welcome you and let oleg voloshin, a ukrainian politician and diplomat, join our broadcast. oleg hello hello, by tradition, we start our discussion with no yes, of course, maybe not comparable to the scale of what it was in the middle of the 20th century, but much larger than those who defeated the third reich in the forty-fifth year could imagine. natalya, your opinion. i believe that there are all the prerequisites for what we said today about the fact that neo nazism is being revived, and in such ugly forms , and most of all it is aimed today at

creating such an information field that dehumanizes us and belittles our honor and dignity culture, so i think that it is in the first place in such forms he is reborn igor what do you think? i believe that we can confidently talk about not so much the ideology of nazism in its purest form. how much is the ideology of crypto-nazism and, first of all, in the region of eastern central europe and what is connected with the destruction of the soviet union and the formation of new national identities, but the historical narrative is those states where the basis of historical politics is a selective representation of the image of national heroes, but which i take as a national hero , naturally in quotation marks, which kosmodder appear in the historical narrative low, as the third alternative, as people who allegedly opposed both the stalinist and hitler regimes at the same time, and therefore they are allegedly the forerunners of the choice of the path that

the already sovereign republics of the former soviet union took for the sake of objectivity. it must be said that such approaches were typical not only for belarus, ukraine, the baltic states, but also for russia, well, remember the attempts to show vlasov as a hero of the russian resistance and those collaborators. well and attempts to defend dissertations with positive contacts related to vlas. that is, she was born immediately after the historical one was filled. the texts of those who were abroad, and who were declared prisoners of conscience , were declared to be the true last resort, and we see these things today in very vivid relief. well, and, accordingly. this is an absolutely conscious reading of the history of the second world war with a clear emphasis on showing an exaggerated role, one that actually did not exist in the victory in the second world

war of the allies. and the americans. well in fact, today we see that the effect of vaccinations against nazism received, but worlds. after the second world war, the non-death process begins to weaken in your opinion, what is the reason? could you have guessed this? could our ancestors have imagined that we would come to this in 2023 2021, that is , this trend has been visible over the past ten years? if we take ukraine, for example, you know, if we look carefully at vaccine taxes, indeed, uh, then we will say different results of the fight against coronavirus in different countries manifests itself in particular in the fact that there is a difference in how this vaccine was used, to whom it was uh prescribed one time, twice, and so on, in the same way, uh, and in a much more complex

social phenomenon, like the nazi ideology, of course, but by its own definition, zinc, as a radical form of nationalism. it easily falls on any soil, especially when it comes to some young nations that are looking for their place in the world. eh, in that sense. let's be objective full-fledged. here is the inoculation genocification was carried out only in the very core, that is, in fact , fascist germany to some extent in japan and even in italy, e . but the country was not carried out, that is , it was not carried out, an analysis of the role of society, all responsibility was assigned almost personally to hitler and his inner circle. and even more so, this was not carried out on the territory of the soviet union, where it was announced that, here, the mentioned vlasov and so on. these are collaborators from chipin, and there was no mass cooperation with the third reich there was no mass participation in the holocaust and there was no mass participation. uh, in the killing

of civilians, that this is a rare case, of course, how a soviet person becomes infected with a virus. the same applies to their eastern european countries since. they entered the soviet bloc, they immediately forgave everything and immediately forgot that not only germany fought, but there was a hungarian fascist, there was romanian fascism even in poland, despite the fact that she herself suffered colossally from the nazi occupation, but there was an active participation v holocaust and so on. well, not to mention the fact that already in 48, comrade stalin was in luxemitism himself, and many things that were necessary and could be, let's say, through the educational system through sms sending out. the consciousness of generations was not made the same monument to the babers in kiev, but it appeared too late, that is, the tragedy of the babers itself. yara was hushed up because it was inconvenient to say that this was primarily a tragedy of murder specifically against the jews. and in this sense, of course, now we are reaping the benefits. eh, it started where it started. i'm just alone an important example in germany which i know well in the eighties and in the nineties

was unthinkable with politics. well here is a mainstream politician who wants to have a seat in the bundestag. or even in some serious, but at the parliament of the state level of the regional level to declare that i am of german nationality. while, for example, in ukraine there to some extent, probably in belarus before alexander lukashenko came to power poland and so on to say that i am there polish ukrainian nationalist inventory. it was normal that here a bad man loves his country. although it is precisely the declaration of myself as an open nationalist that is the first step towards nazism, it cannot be said that i am proud that i will simply lie to some nation. and she's better than anyone else. this is nazism. this is half a step away from nazism today. is it possible to consider ukraine as the european center of the renaissance of neo-nazism and, of course, i will turn to our guest from the russian federation yes, please regarding such a statement. i think it's safe to say because today we see an example of how a military conflict, it flares up exactly,

means that we are actively involved in pumping weapons into this region, and, accordingly, we are volunteers through various information media channels, dividends, dividends, including, for example, the acquisition of land impact on this infrastructure. well, and , accordingly, it is a threat from all points of view, not only its own and political, but also cultural and humanitarian. i can't help but recall the lines of the legendary lines. let's remember we all understand noggan touched me as a child, but they have become especially relevant in recent years, when we see the creeping revival of terrible tribal dialogues and unity by blood, unity in hatred for strangers and it’s not about zigzagging units, but in thousands who believe that in the name of their nation, anything is applicable to representatives of others, hence the thoughtless copying of the slogan. daughterland was removed, which , by the way, we often hear from the lips of ukrainian

nationalists. but today we cannot help remembering the khatyn tragedy. more details in our plot. the great patriotic war became a real tragedy for belarus ; one of the symbols of the suffering of innocent civilians and victims of the inhuman reprisals of the nazis and their accomplices was march 22, 1943 . the inhabitants of the village gathered 149 people in one of the sarajevos and then set fire to those who tried to run out, the punishers mercilessly shot it, like thousands of the same monstrous crimes committed during the great patriotic war. forever, carved in stone and in the heart of the belarusian people. in the heart of the people of the winner, strong and generous, able to forgive during

the great patriotic war, about 11,000 villages were destroyed, terrible, chilling testimonies of the survivors formed the basis of the accusation against those who committed these horrific crimes. they did not emphasize that most of the countries of western europe stood under the banner of nazi germany and the world capital of the new war. how were people burned? they crushed with tanks

, drowned, shot with direct fire from heavy guns, how they buried children alive saving bullets and sprayed over our cities and villages poisonous substances since 2018, collections of documents have been published in belarus. no statute of limitations. they tell about the crimes of the nazis and their accomplices in the occupied territory of belarus during the great patriotic war . the database of belarusian villages burned during the great patriotic war has no analogues. it contains documented, confirmed information about the villages completely and partially destroyed by the nazis with and without a population, and since 2021, the prosecutor general's office is investigating criminal case on the fact of the genocide of the belarusian people during the great patriotic war and after the war period. mother, we are striving to establish the places of residence of the living from the living executioners and that they stick, either

before the court of those states where they are now hiding, or were extradited to us for the administration of justice. this is serious work. today, we are working on the formation of documents and the formation of legal conditions for our national courts to condemn, including in absentia, including dead nazi criminals, in order to in order to confirm their atrocity by the fact of a court decision, specific ones on the territory of the ussr over the past 2 years, it was possible to identify specific individuals from among the german invaders and latvia, poland, in total , at least 400 nazis live in different countries of the world, who are involved in crimes on the territory of belarus, while the baltic countries and poland categorically refuses to cooperate with the investigation of the genocide, according to local authorities. fulfillment of such a request would allegedly prejudice the sovereignty and security and their states instead heroizes the legionnaires. the ussr who fought

on the side of germany and helped the nazis kill civilians, and on the example of neighboring states, where monuments are destroyed and rewritten, history can be seen how modern neo-nazism raised its head. we see how the instincts of the ancestors of the ukrainian latvian, lithuanian and polish punishers wake up, throwing old men and women into the fire of our children. therefore, we are obliged. and we will do everything to preserve in history the feat of the generation of soviet people who with honor passed their lesson of courage and heroism in total, the prosecutor general's office sent a request for legal assistance. russia has provided active assistance to our country in more than 30 states as noted in the prosecutor general's office, cooperation with the russian side is proceeding at a high level in this area

. investigation established previously unknown facts. about 1,300 rural settlements that suffered during the occupation at the hands of punishers. including this at least 30 villages, the fate of which is similar to atyn. they were completely destroyed along with the population and did not revive; fascism has no human face. but there are seeds of the killer of traitors, and we know them. there are heirs, ideological successors, in whom the gene of hatred towards us of the entire slavic civilization , our people, has awakened again. they replaced aryan standards with liberal democratic values. filtering peoples to meet

the new standard has been going on for a long time through color revolutions riots proxies wars sanctions blackmail in the year of peace and creation, we belarusians speak clearly and loudly. there are no excuses. politics of genocide. there is nothing more important than human life. yes, one cannot but agree with this , and right now a member of the european parliament is connecting to our broadcast. miroslav rodachevsky miroslav i am glad to welcome you to our program. thank you hello everyone , your father devoted all his youth to the fight against fascism in the ranks of the czechoslovak separate brigade. ludwig svoboda in 1943, he participated in the liberation of kiev tell me, please, your father could have imagined that fascism would revive again in the land

that he freed from this evil with his blood, my father could not imagine it. as its one getting the russians, ukrainians and others we need to say then the us were allies now. the reason for the misfortune of science also has its extreme rights, which do not like hungarians, gypsies and other national minorities. why are young people today addicted to radical nationalist ideas, and how to deal with it, in your opinion. how do you raise your children and your grandchildren? well i think that in slovakia it's not so bad sex with terrorism. it must be said that

slovakia is counted in the population, i is a country. which was awarded the yak-tower, because a lot of slovak people during fascism during nazism and they are people, but there are small groups of some extremists, but this is not much. i think that they love everyone, they love russians, and during the war it seemed that they love children so that there is no other nation and so on. this is my

opinion, and i say that this is the opinion of the majority of civilians in slovakia yaroslava the last question, in your opinion. why today in the european parliament, where many of those whose parents survived the holocaust through their families suffered from hitlerism , turn a blind eye today to the fact that neo-nazism has become part of the state ideology in ukraine do they really not understand that even the brightest ideals cannot be fought in alliance with ideological followers hitler because the young people of western europe do not even know history, there is a big ideology propaganda from the brothers they do not objectively war in western europe, they

do not understand and do not tell them anything, for example, what's happened. will be good for the economic interests of other countries, for example, i will say, when i believe in parliament, i will say, as i said it here, but they teach me to pee because they have an unfamiliar history. i think that this will not be forever. we have to work to work

between people to work in europe so it's true, true, this is the future of the future. i wish you good luck. in this work in the european parliament. in order to convey the truth to the truth of your colleagues. and, of course, i want to thank you for your participation. taking this opportunity to invite you to visit the republic of belarus, where the memory of the joint victory over fascism in 1945 is sacredly honored. well thank you very much. he heard that i would give and what i was telling you, but her 118th police battalion 80 years ago, which destroyed khotyn , was formed by the nazis in october 1942 in kiev tell me, do the majority of belarusians know that in fact

the perpetrators of the terrible khotyn tragedy were not germans, but ukrainians, of whom this 118th auxiliary police battalion stood still. today they already know, but if we talk about that policy, which was held throughout, both before the interweaving of independence and after it , the belarusian educational system did not have an installation that it is not necessary to focus attention on these moments on accomplices. there are people that i still have a controversy with. why millionth gray hair, who think it's better to leave? this soviet german dictation and not focusing on these things is fundamentally wrong in my textbooks, including on the history of the belarusian state , and i write these things very expressively that the genocide of belarus was multi-layered, except for the holocaust and mass destruction. jews, germans, nazis,

used ethnic conflicts very jewelry. in this part of eastern europe, and used the territorial claims of all our neighbors to us ukraine, ukrainian radical nationalists always dreamed of taking the belarusian polesie, the territory of the brest and gomel regions in separate ones. uh, let's just say that the offices of the sbu still hang maps with very funny borders of ukraine. as for the ukrainian battalions, we need to talk about this, at least, because in ukraine, not yesterday, not today, and not 3-4 years ago and not 10 years ago , the glorification of these things began. well, a classic example of which he burned. and you are just a part of the bukovinian chicken coop people who came from the region from chernivtsi who managed to check in, just to the women of yar but already in the ninety-fifth year , books were published in ukrainian historiography in which we read an apology, 118 about the ukrainian horse, where

the fighters bokovinsky root show all sorts of heroes for the independence of ukraine but in fact. these are the melnikovites, not the banderaites, but melnikov well, the organization of ukrainian nationalists was divided into bandera melnikov according to their leaders and they took the most active part. but, when we fill in the search engine, that soviet officers pop up and burned khatyn, and yes, he was the commander of the red army , but he voluntarily went over to the german side , he went through the ukrainian nazi school of propagandists. in germany, he professed the same ideology as his subordinates, but in 1995 in chernivtsi the last khatynka bird, a trick that was not given to anyone, became honorable a citizen of ukraine as an honorary citizen of the city of chernivtsi, moreover, for his money, chernivtsi erected a monument that no one will demolish modern ukraine, and he paphos is called the

hero of bukovinian smoking for belarusians, if translated into the correct language what happened and is happening. this is the glorification of bastards by a scoundrel. i am deeply convinced that no national idea can be based on people who destroyed the civilian population, there are no such ideas, in the name of which the armed a man can enter a settlement and destroy civilians. this is called nazism in its purest form, so the question arises, but the ukrainians. they were not alone here. i heard you, please, we still have other speakers. i beg your pardon, then it is surprising how the same fluent belarusian position manages to be in the euro. and to encourage certain sympathies and cultivate them among young people for ukrainian nationalists . the belarusian white position cultivates a cult of the same heroes from belarusian nationalists, who faithfully served adolf hitler and took an active part in

punitive operations against their people. i would like to remind e francoame taran, who personally participated in the liberation of the dachau concentration camp, in his speech in the post said nationalism is war. this is the whole point , hitler can be considered a maniac to avoid the swastika and publicly renounce nazism. but where they sincerely chant. glory to nate , death to the enemies, somewhere in the depths , the horstvosel begins to sound. all forms of nazism are of the same nature, oleg here, please tell me how ukraine got infected with this disease, in your opinion, dear colleague, correctly raised, uh, questions and identify good ones. the quotation was given about what the deal is with informal characters. uh, this, by the way, is a problem, by the way, here is the soviet historiography attitude to this issue. if you have there, roughly speaking, you hang a portrait of hitler in your place and you walk around with a swastika. and although this, to be honest, is now enough in ukraine, you are an automatic fascist. and if you do not do this, but simply think that you are

the name of some idea, and representatives of another nations, without exception, including children, you can destroy something, well, no matter how you are, probably not a very good person there, but definitely not a fascist. right now we see, unfortunately, against the backdrop of, the tragedy of the conflict on the territory of our country. and we see how easy it is. eh, the broad masses, moreover, well, most of them , as a colleague correctly said, the descendants of those who fought on the right side, yes, that is, they and grandfathers, great-grandfathers, fathers, but fought in the ranks of the red army. the fascist won. today, they hand shoulder often, unfortunately, tortured by russian they are prisoners of war. uh, let's say, at least there. at best, with understanding, well, they certainly do not have a sharp condemnation of non-judicial executions of those who on the territory of the kherson kharkov region, but collaborated with the russian military authorities and after the arrival of ukrainian troops there remained victims of repression. and when we look at all this, when we see this video, which this scoundrel bragged from us to the corps, how

people are shot in a tie, and thrown into a pit. how is this different from khatyn. which difference really? yes, jolie is also, in fact, nazism, of course, and they are all there in a swastika and so on. this, by the way, is probably logical, as if they were internal, sort of. many of them don’t eat there, so they didn’t want to, having soros as sponsors in the united states of america and many others there, no matter how much they wanted to hide their nature, but it still breaks through. and now with half the conflict. e on ukrainian tanks, the crosses are exactly the same as on german tanks during the years of the second world war, the question arises, but there were quite idiots. yes, that is, you want a volunteer there just solovyov to help, that is, you want the russian information machine. and help, why are you doing this, but apparently you know, this is inside. and this feeling is always all permissiveness, it gives it out in theory logically, having, uh, direct accusations from russia that in ukraine the neo-nazi regime is also zelensky and the company should at any cost, uh, prevent such. well, at least the obvious ones. although, in fact, this is still

readiness to exterminate all russians there and all who showed sympathy for the russians or all who questioned the official nature of the conflict, this is nazism. after all, nazism. this is not a specific symbol, but even at the level of symbols it all breaks through and now photographs are already appearing. yes, when a russian soldier, then a veteran of the red army, who knocked out a german tank there on the kursk bulge, today there is also a ukrainian tank, on which exactly the same crosses. and what can i, as ukrainians, for example, discuss a thousand times to argue with the russians about what is happening, but there is nothing to answer to this photo, for example, because one side of the conflict deliberately took on not just, but everything , as it were, nadezhda put on and took the flag of the fight against russia, namely the flag of the force that was accepted consider it an absolute evil, so that it is impossible to justify as if there were no bad things in modern russia, and dressing up in nazi clothes and direct analogies with what we continued to do in the third reich. so they then could not do this in modern ukraine

ideology manifested itself equally manifested itself at the moment. i think you remember very well what kind of shouts what words were heard by the veterans of the great patriotic war, who, having come to lay flowers at the eternal fire with the st. george ribbon, faced seeing crowds of nazis, and no one suffered. and what do you think natalya is responsible for? is there a real chance to cure ukraine of this disease if today europe is chanted in response to the words of mr. the european parliament of the word of the nation, this is indeed a very important issue, namely the issue of responsibility, the issue of law and how this is reflected, but in general on the development of political institutions, and we see , probably, an example in this case, the destruction

of the system of international law in terms of protecting human rights and individual civil liberties . we have seen throughout 2022. as subjected to various harassment. e, russian-speaking, the population is russian, yes , belarusians who lived abroad at that time and such discrimination was recorded in various documents, the ministry of foreign affairs and russia and belarus, and so my colleagues and i discussed it, of course, we were amazed. uh, how immediately this construction, which is called democracy, floated, yes, and respect for human rights, when it came to protecting the rights of the russian-speaking population in everyday life in work in the cultural sphere. in politics, there is nothing to even talk about, yes, and to the question. that's exactly what if there really is a chance, er, somehow our foundation published. uh, the publication, which was called the last chance for justice. and now i remembered this, why did we there understand the question of whether it is possible to punish e living former ss men, e from the golden legions e now living, who

committed a crime without a statute of limitations, but hiding the countries e of europe in latin america and so we asked this question a few years ago, and in my opinion. now there is such a wonderful analogy from the point of view of the question, yes, the formulation of the problem, but unfortunately the conclusions are also not comforting, just as we voiced it a couple of years ago. why if we let's look at the social networks of politicians in the same baltic states, the most personally, out of curiosity, went to their pages at first, and even i don’t understand. what kind of state is this, that is, is it lithuania, latvia , or, after all, ukraine, because everything is in yellow in blue colors with e. stripes with portraits of bandera zelensky e. of course, to be honest, there is such a thing. e, s. well , a strange analogy arises, even some kind of fear arises, because it creates the feeling that there is no one to talk to, because in order to in order to resolve any conflict, it is necessary that there is an opponent on the other side who is ready to at least listen to us yes, ready to take some steps to

overcome contradictions, but today it seems that it is not, and i would like to return. here, here, to the thought that was originally laid down, that we see how the system of international relations is being destroyed in terms of law. we see how, even from the moment they began to prosecute nazi war criminals from the end of 48 in the sixties, the lawsuits were the eighties every time someone managed to lick from this responsibility, therefore today, it seems to me, our task, first of all, is to be honest with ourselves. uh, remember this, talk about it, first of all, we as a historian with lawyers to discuss these questions of the historian about the air force aspects. yes , in order to understand at least what we should do, but in no case leave these introductions without judgment. our memory is right now on the air , the program is authorized to declare. i can't help but remember the film with the testament of the outstanding film director mikhail roma, a film warning at a time when fascism

seemed to have disappeared into oblivion and rom considered it his duty to make a picture about the nature of the emergence of nazism and about the price that had to be paid for this invention of the ideologues of the third reich, please pay attention to the screen. within three days after hitler came to power, these fatal six happened. i look at this stream of fire and think what was the true deep meaning of these fiery performances. to turn a person into a savage, moreover, in a transforming

environment. and ready for anything the savage was very much needed by the third reich. he was needed before all in order to destroy everything that opposed nazism, everything that stood in its way. the first blow was dealt to the communists in the concentration camps of the prison behind the communists. democrats trade union leaders workers activists editors of magazines newspaper radio and in general all who dared to think otherwise than hitler thinks and here i am looking at this fiery swastika. i cannot reconcile myself with the idea that in germany, in a country of great culture , semi-literate, complacently stupid people came to power, who did everything to turn a person into an enthusiastic savage. and

now 80 years pass and attempts are made to turn a person into an enthusiastic savage. crown success igor how does this happen? and how many more wars does humanity need to survive in order not to become like all this horror? well, first of all, let's remember. that's for me what shocked me the most. that's in this situation of the last year. this culture of cancellation. do you understand? that's it for all it would seem unlike throwing books into furnaces into the fire is one and the same thing, that is, culture. cancellation means it can be denied not just, well, let's say the political system of the russian federation, president putin's real foreign policy is its own. and you can deny the cultural

matrix and the people as a cultural phenomenon, deny chekhov dostoevsky tolstoy wear monuments. pushkin, that is, people, that is , people who are cultural signs. well, how can bulgakov himself be 1,000 times to the people of kiev, but he wrote his texts about petliura incorrectly. well, he wrote incorrectly from their point of view, from how he saw kiev during the civil war. he owes him was to be correct, this is the concept, the only correctness is more uniform than the fact that this is orwell only in a new reading. this is the ministry of truth in the form of an institution in the national memory, which in the ukrainian case does not preserve national identity and reinforce real historical truth, but creates a new construct of historical politics and a new

concept, falsified with whole pages cut out, where bastards become heroes. and where are the heroes, uh, scourge, defame and what happens is happening oh, i don't know how long does it take for all this. well, here we are. unfortunately, we are in a post-postmodern situation, when everything is profaned, when the truth is denied objectively, when it is declared that any aircraft judgment has the right to be discussed. because it was spoken by someone. these overtone windows are treated with only one systematic work on society with a normal high-quality education system and state control. for all these things , i repeat the words again, and they introduced one of the greatest once and did. eh, the conceptualists marrealize the memory that the state of the current situation is the only force

that stands above all political systems. these are political groups. this is the supreme orbiter, which should set the paradigms of the historical politics of those concepts that we reflect in our textbooks. for one simple reason there can be no pluralistic opinion on all the things we say is historical fact. sorry gentlemen of postmodernism. this is not a granitaire over a cup of coffee, as michel wrote. foucault is always fragment of reality oleg what is the real risk today of europe returning to some form of mass fascism or is it still more accurate, uh here we have a unique situation where absolutely. uh, those political regimes, let's say the elites, which introduce themselves into their own countries, are just a denial. the history itself is to instill in young generations a sense of shame, and in the history of this is great britain

, france, the united states, calling them total colonial russian, and so on, but in fact, uh, they impose this completely uh, well, in fact also totalitarian, but only to people who are the essence. the glorification of algbt there racial minorities and so on. they are at the same time, situationally expensive geopolitical struggle with russia and with belarus, by the way, first of all, as states that uphold traditional family values. they go for a situational union with frank anti-modernist, uh, fascist projects, that is, it is absolutely obvious. that is why , for example, zelensky at the head of ukraine will never appear to this, as if tinned, or there is some kind of biletsky leader sports yes because everyone understands that as soon as the conflict is over, when it is recognized in the west, but necessary. and all these radical nationalist movements. they will try to write it off for circulation, because , of course, they interfere with them. these are

the same people today, uh, burning russian books there, beating people for the russian language, because the thundering pushkin but they also attack such devices. they, uh, being, like, some of them are really convinced. hooray for nationalist patriots. they are against sales, ukrai earth for the sake of soros transcendental corporations and so on. of course, they are obstacles, but in a war, you won’t go there with gay parades to fight with russian tanks, that’s how they put up with them. ah, and pump them up and arm them. e, being convinced that for the time being it is still at the head of the political system, but it is standing. e. well, well, what kind of zelensky is a nationalist? well, we are well aware that if bandera and his patrons had won then in the forties, zelensky would not physically exist, as a representative to the jewish people. just giving a jew would simply not exist. yes, in this regard, of course, it is convenient for him, but such is the actor who pulled this green shirt over himself today. yes, there it looks like the leader of some kind of military resistance. and tomorrow it is enough to remember that he is a representative

of bohemia. he is quite loyal to lgbt people if we look closely at our time in ukraine. there, in parallel with the war , the istanbul convention was ratified there , separate ones are being created, so you already spoke on the air, that is. you know, here's the game controlled chaos, can the conditional quarrel with the collective cope with the virus that they are releasing today in eastern europe, can they, for example, really, and control it or really, starting from ukraine and also poland and others will be reborn into it fascist states, where be sure to our viewers on the map that we have prepared with colleagues - a map of the purity of acts of violence by far- right movements in europe and that's continuing your thought. will they be able to hold this snake? yes, so that he does not capture europe again and, behold,

how acute is the problem, the extreme legal experiment today in europe, or, for example, let's take the same poland natalya, well, in my opinion. e. to the question that we see these threats and that's fine. in fact, a visual series that reflects the trend that exists in these countries. i think that, first of all, we must understand that some real actions become behind the expression of the thought of convictions. and again i would like to return to the analysis of 2022, when we saw the massive demolition of monuments to soviet soldiers, and this too cannot be ignored as a way of such a demonstration of one's attitude. uh, just the same, they are talking about what is happening in poland poland in my opinion. today it behaves most aggressively towards all neighbors. uh, completely with some kind of vesionistic views on history on politics, but trying to compensate for some of their historical complexes due to such harsh agitation in the expression of political

leaders, who, well, in a good way, they should frighten and alert us. uh, to some extent i want to joke somewhere, uh, to joke, but in fact. i think that it is necessary to carefully analyze everything, because all the informational message and only say, but in the prospects that these threats, as we should, in principle, perceive them, can become a reality and right-wing movements. if they are to speak, then they will obviously be gaining momentum in force again. i repeat impunity for previous actions. here are their, let's say, ideals, leaders of their opinions , and so on, so, of course, i was even somewhat horrified by such a schedule. here, but i will remain here with my opinion that today it is necessary to react first of all to information fields. and how, in principle, to draw a line between the right-wing parties, uh with a national conservative ideology and the extreme right, uh, which are really dangerous for society, because well, liberals like to write down all the fascists in a row. this is trump with us and marine le pen yes, they are alone white

fluffy. i say, well that's how it's very simple actually it's got very simple conservative criteria. this is a person who, on the one hand, has nothing against market relations and political competition. he is for multi-party system, but at the same time what fundamentally distinguishes him from the current neo-liberals. the most important criterion of the current conservative, which does not include a liberal. this is what he believes that in addition to individual right freedoms, there are also rights and freedoms, which is impossible without the existence of the state. he is for my traditional value system. he will change human normality for narza , which, if we talk about the european version , is based on the christian matrix, that is, conservative in the fact of the birth of a child. when he is born in him understands who he is, because he sees the objective signs that we are allowed to say something boys or girls. i apologize for such things.

this is what is fundamentally different and the conservative does not sin, er, with moral relevancy. that is, he has moral retivism. no, he understands that there is an objective truth. there are things that are inviolable in the cultural matrix, in contrast to the neoliberal, who declare that everything is relative, that there is absolutely nothing, but the settled one, and that neoliberals. this always the absolutization of the human choice of individual freedom, which, as a result of this wallowing, turns into lack of freedom for the majority final word natalya please i would like to say first of all that we must act here in a united front all people who support traditional values, a and those who are engaged in current historical research and, of course, from other branches of specialists so that we can understand what unites us and how

to counter these threats that we today they said alett. well, you raised the question correctly. what is the difference? the difference in the call to action, if you call for destruction in the name of your people in the tribe before the nation of the people, or there for the radical oppression of others, this is nazism, if you stand for how correctly you started quotes for defending what dear to you, yes, for the normal way of life that existed for 1,000 years. there family tradition relationships and so on. you, of course, in this sense are healthy conservatives patriot that is, they want to infringe on another you wish to protect what is dear to your society. thanks a lot. well, i’ll end our interesting discussion on such a difficult, extremely important topic with a touch of optimism, so i’ll bring up the tattoos of the writer leon fechtwanger, who survived the holocaust, fascism in its initial stages is doomed to success, because it arouses bestial feelings in a person, and a person is

an animal. well, in the end, fascism is doomed to rights, because man is an animal reasonable with faith in reason humanly i say goodbye to you sas is authorized to declare. not fascism has become a real problem in modern europe . the right morning should begin with the right breakfast, in general, the most interesting thing is that i never overeat at night, so i always have breakfast with such pleasure. that is, here i wake up right, and my mood rises, because i understand that i am looking for breakfast. we will help make the first meal tasty and healthy by selecting a few fruits. do not be shy and smell their sour smell, which indicates that most likely the fruit is overripe and even the process of decay has begun. and

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gloves. and this must be brought to the state of shiny metal. we throw garbage, i hear what it teaches, and there is a box and two such fluffies, well, such fluffies are shorter, stunned how beautiful, fluffy their unkemptness was and attracting people who were crazy, i grew about 300 varieties in belarus, and i interacted with thousands of varieties. belarusians are a yaki project, i know you will be handled by your beloved david and kind people happiness. probably, when all your close people all around you live in love consent, then it seems to me, and myself. comfortable, happiness, in principle, priorities, right? you have a crime solved on the first

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