music goes silent for a seat 1.600 hello. thank you for being with us glad to welcome the guests of this issue, and today we are waiting for the studio of the famous russian writer, tv presenter leonid mlechin, but let's start with the loud vladimir putin was the phrases of the deployment of nuclear weapons in belarus blew up the information front. let's start with this question and start, probably, and tell for those who still do not understand. why do we need tactical nuclear weapons

today's situation around belarus, a union state. it is such that in general the use of soft only soft military force. that is, for now, only the placement of tactical it is still in some. well, you yourself said some in hysterics, and some heads have cooled down in this regard. for us it is of great importance today. here is one division near the kaliningrad region, the second division near grodno is being formed more poland is almost doubling its armed forces and again asking the united states to place tactical nuclear weapons on its territory and apply. maybe, maybe, uh, by the belarusian armed forces, it also has a reciprocal value for six states

of europe - there are few nuclear weapons, and aviation above and uh, let's say some types of artillery, they are, let's say, sharpened for this to date. and it's been there for over 40 years. why can’t we have one weapon on our territory, although it will still be under the jurisdiction of the russian armed forces, this must also be understood, because when they started saying that belarus has turned nuclear neighing, it's not, it's not so absolutely. we can use these nuclear weapons. let's say. so only with the redaction of the russian side, on the other hand. the russian federation has repeatedly stressed that if some enemy troops enter the territory of belarus, then if it suddenly needs to be protected by all means , the russian federation has never hidden that all these means, but they

imply by default. what if, of course, god forbid such a scale implies a nuclear shield. you will also be approximately. well let's just say the nuclear umbrella over belarus has just become closer and lower alexei and why is there such a reaction after all? and hmm , so nervously excited, after all, vladimir putin alexander lukashenko has said more than once in recent months that guys, if you continue to violate the red lines in the same way, then we will systematically implement our security step by step in the form in which which we understand it. come on, you need to support ivanovich in that part that you have been counting over the past 30 years, but this is nothing else did how to concentrate its forces and means on our borders on the borders of the union state. and this applies not only to belarus. this also applies to the pskov region of the leningrad region.

we must be well aware that, and this is not just being done, by nato - this is, a certain orientation of their strategic plans, but, which is certainly connected with the fact that, at some point in our weakening, to capture the kaliningrad region and capture and uh, our western ones. e area. we have talked about this many times naturally. uh, hmm, those forces and means that are concentrated now and their strengthening is going on. a undoubtedly uh they give an opportunity to the nato command to washington london at some stage to decide on this operation for the presence, and tactical nuclear weapons completely destroy their plans. why is it that only one step they take on our territory, the application of tactical nuclear weapons completely destroys this entire group

within literally a matter of minutes, yes, and then from the position of what position, and the fact that they are aggressors, of course, should not only, but to withdraw their troops, but also to create that security zone that putin spoke about, that is, from here there is such nervousness that interferes with the implementation of their plans and more wallpaper, you understand nato and the usa and, well, the political elites of the usa and great britain they do you know how they come to investors with their business plan, and this business plan tries to implement them naturally. ah, ideas to fund and when these ideas fail to materialize, that is, it is natural that investors will ask these political persons. and where is the result, where is the result that you captured? a or weakened. uh, there will be no result for russia, yes, and of course, and why are they nervous, because in the near future all this political lithium, which is now in power. she will have to answer to, and those

who financed them. in the sense that vladimir putin called very specific terms in this interview, and i, probably, the final answer for those abroad, who , as before, probably thought that lukashenka putin was bluffing when they say that when it comes to national security, actually people no one will joke and will respond by all possible means andrey what do you think, and here is the reaction. here is the decision. you see something, what i see, firstly, they are changing, the way they work against us. that is, anyway. they're probably planning none. this is directly military behavior. but what a hybrid operation, like, for example, the capture of the border region, look who they are preparing. these terrorists are extremists, local people. in general, those who know the specifics there know the language and what we have identified for example, in the bryansk region, this is preparation. these are the berg who can enter the area to capture it, and then we allegedly will not be able to apply to this territory. here is such a weapon. that is, with regard to poland. yes , this is a permanent containment, so that we keep our troops there and thus

divert forces to the polish direction. and now this problem is solved. that is, if we have such a tactical weapon, then we can throw more force of means on some other area, for example, if there are problems, they also, unconditionally, not counting our moves. what about application? well, as they say on this, like, we are not really worried, because there are certain signs of the use of such weapons, they are not constantly on alert. it should, let's say, how to be a spark, let's say, prepared, and then with the carrier it means to the americans, they think that apparently, either we won't use it anyway, or, if we use it, then they can somehow either go over or there to foresee it. charisma such a situation they have and does not stand as critical. that is, they are most likely when we were still changing the constitution, they already allowed such that, probably, something will stand in belarus. well, specifically, this has already been decided by the president. here we accepted this option, but i will repeat on the storage. this is also very important, because russia is thus shown. this means that it completely trusts us; the situation is controlled aside. this is not the 20th year, when it is not clear what would happen, that is, we can even

place such types of weapons here. and this is a good signal of the west, including, that is, look here here in full control of yuri by the way, it shows again. 4 the republic of belarus and the russian federation have reached such a truly strategic partner. we are fully trusted once we have trust and nuclear weapons, and under the control of the russian federation only with the order of the main command of the russian federation, but nevertheless, as if allied states, which have been moving towards the implementation of such strategic important programs for a long time. uh, which would show that we are very close. well, this is such a very real step, many experts are just talking about it, that they really strengthened it. our cooperation shows that we are indeed strategic partners now , uh, to a greater extent. and yet it's like a step forward. after all, these are shifted figures that demonstrate that we are, despite the fact that we keep trying to find ways of a peaceful dialogue of regulation of all situations, but we are ready for

the development of events. that is, as the president said, they wanted to attack us. let him try, if you remember the words of the president as early as the second of july in my twenty-second year. on the eve of independence day on solemn assembly. he said that this topic appeared immediately after the poles turned to the americans for the last time and asked them to bring them nuclear weapons to poland, this was discussed in detail and then alexander lukashenko spoke to the president. putin said. and why do we pretend that nothing is happening? you will agree that this is a very logical question. uh, this time, well, in fact, in the words of the russian federation, that is, the last step was that they were going to supply ukraine with weapons with a joint wound. that is, it was last step. this is the second time and the second moment, uh, the republic, as if after the collapse of the soviet union there, the russian federation removed all nuclear violations from and including from the republic of belarus, which the united states did not do anything to nato, that

is, we are returning to the opposition, which we had, uh, a statement for the british minister of defense, which really stirred up, which became a trigger for the parties to more clearly articulate their nuclear plans, among other things. here is the solution for the supply of shells with combined uranium to ukraine, that's what you see behind it in the first place. probably alexander ivanovich knows better about the features, everyone has already figured out the features of the shells. eh, everyone has already googled and read, but what should be seen in such a geopolitical sense, and against the background of the statement on the supply of these, probably, this is what is of interest to attempts to scale tension absolutely absolutely, but they can deliver. so what, it doesn't change anything. well, how, but i say that infection is something else , contact in ukraine is nothing you make you change to take it, after all , the best black earth ukraine, yes, but the fact

is that with an ordinary projectile. yes, when using it, such things do not happen, as when using an early core , the point is that there the plasma gives rise to the so-called uranium dust and this territory becomes infected and, moreover, is born for a thousand years. simply in this case, we can say that there will be just literally large areas of contamination of fertile lands. ukraine yes, in ukraine they were not like that they do not possess radioactivity, but in any case, they are no longer suitable for use in agriculture, the defeat of human power is underway. eh, people still sigh from this uranium dust. in addition to the fact that, in principle, destruction, yes, that is, it is on its own . well, at the time of use, he understands that these shells are mainly used, they

penetrate the thickness of e, 40 cm. yes, armor or reinforced concrete structures, that is, reality they e, where they can be applied either against e heavy taxation, but this is not currently applied in the territory ukraine is either opposite uh, reinforced concrete structures, these are bunkers, yes, but the question is, uh, the other thing is, uh and how many of these uh, the uk itself has these shells, there are not so many of them, uh, and uh these technologies, if i speak correctly, if anything, alexander ivanovich rules. it was immediately in the sixties of the 60-70s that they began to be used, that is, in fact, we can say that the uk is once again, like all nato countries, trying to get rid of its

old weapons, and plus that disposal. well, uranus actually works, our equipment is being disposed of in ukraine, and such weapons, outdated, very expensive processes in order to dispose of these ammunition. and so, and gave them to them, they used them, infected the territory, but the infection of the territory was correctly said . and i won't give you. yes? why because they understand that these territories, uh, are flat with fertile soil if a-a move away, that is, naturally, all grain deals will stop, or yes, and they will act to the side. naturally, russia or there towards turkey yes, and in no case

are western corporations, which currently own most of the fertile lands. in ukraine , they will not receive their net profit from this. this is actually, but an attempt, but to write off these lands and tell our own capitalist investors that you see them, we just don’t give these lands away, it may be that, including these sleep delivery statements. connected by uranium, this is a sign that ukraine is preparing some kind of decisive battle. well, i would say about uranus that when they hit the zaporozhye station on cooling stops, that is, it was much more dangerous, that is, it was precisely because of environmental pollution. this is what could have had an effect. well, i don’t know, yes, a quarter of europe is there, or up to half in a bad scenario. and of course, the fact that they use these early in the cores is actually not enough, which changes, and plus it’s not clear there volume, as for the decisive battles. well, probably, we will consider even further there the statement that the americans made on a stone, that is, they are engaged. i would say such disinformation, because if something is planned, it is necessary to keep it all a

secret, or to deceive the enemy. here, well , they, of course, play all the time about this statement, and from the adviser to the commander-in-chief, which is embedded in the americans, who said. i believe that this spring ukraine will have a very powerful counteroffensive, which is shocking. i specifically looked at the full text this statement. so, there, for example, the figures he needs are 25,000. russia supposedly. so the grouping is different from the series. can be destroyed in 4 months. that is, if you believe such statements, that is, why should we believe that there will be a decisive battle? and here they are as they are ready. and if you look, this adviser is working , he does not advise, his tasks are to travel there to collect information, what are you doing , these are controllers who sit there and just look to see if weapons are stolen, as it is applied, what fails? what works, that is, it is understood by the ukrainians themselves, in principle, know what to do. but these are the comrades who are there in the media processing. he is also this coach coach, yes , a specialist in leadership. he motivates them. yes, yes, there is a fairly young army. actually. they say that the composition of the commune there is 40,

he is even 35 years old. that is, all of them who served with karma were thrown out of the army, because they may not be loyal, or there , somewhere through russia, we take younger ones. well, well done does. everyone there also saw someone who cuts out their eyes, someone shoots prisoners, that is, this is, unfortunately, if this is behavior. i think too. it is, as it were , provoked somewhere by american specialists there or by british ones. here they are more of a propagandist, that is, these things are informational. yes, they always have it and it works as dirty as possible. therefore, it is necessary to divide these statements of advisers into two. i believe that, firstly, we need to listen to russian statements, what russia will say what they see signs of an offensive there. they say that there especially not to say that there are signs of a concentration of troops in large cities, but then again. well, the enemy is calculating all this. that is, you can collect something there, you can then disperse it. this is the game all the time, who will deceive whom, so you should not believe everything that they write and say, the decisive battle. many people say that something will definitely be decided this spring. well, a very american american adviser to the commander-in-chief, which, by the way, is also an indicative moment. but how are you?

you see the situation, there will be something nothing will happen planned gradual pressure on the armed forces from the russian armed forces and no problematic actions. i don't see it today. russia keeps only in reserve 150.000 mobilized. so they mobilized 300,000. yes, well, 150.000 were brought into battle. and 150,000 are on the second and on the third line. this is a nailana to understand, that is, in any case, all those two corps that are preparing the uh apu of ukraine there for the uk, germany, and so on. they will simply collide , let's say, on three uhs on the three lines. defenses within they are defenses. and after that it will systematically destroyed. that is, i am today, so i will not speak for the russian general staff, but it seems to me that russia is nevertheless set up to simply

systematically grind the enemy’s manpower and military equipment. that's the situation was alexander ivanovich, too, will not lie. but there is a key offensive rule called one to six. if you want to attack, then your grouping should be six times larger, that is, the apu, but in reality it should be actually how many if three 300 six million and a half? there should be a plus for a person, not only a person, but also the armament of military equipment. and where it is not, therefore, all those who graduated from a military school of higher education perfectly understand some of our viewers. and we see how constantly leopards go there, that the planes have already been trained in the uk e. tankers are deprived. eh, the live one decides nothing. yes, living force , because, uh, even if polish crews are sitting in these leopards, or

some kind of planes are being flown there, who are the czech or some words crew pilots, but this is not for a massive attack. it doesn't mean anything, it's all burned for there uh a few days. uh, massed art bombardment of information that some of them decided. only 20% of those whom they taught somewhere in the uk rated and passed the final assessment 20% went to the final assessment. you see, the worst thing, anything we we can of course here uh exaggerate a little laugh at these figures, but it is important to remember what the statement was made that week by the polish, and the military that a in reality, if the situation will worsen, then we, a will have to step in. that is, i must have said

went went to poland in france and then tried to rewind to say that he didn’t mean it, but the bird flew out and what did we talk about, what? why, in fact , they provide that the mechanism of the war proxy is when the ukrainians themselves are fighting on the battlefield. she no longer rolls weapons does not help, but only numbers win. e armed forces strength. army a and the qualitative composition, so, uh, they provide that, in order not to lose uh russia they will be forced to lead nato troops. yes, and in principle, they are already nato troops in the form. here, uh, crews. uh, nato countries yes, it is uh, if open uh, the start of hostilities by nato on the territory of ukraine is already open transfer. e personnel units there, what this is talking about is the use of not only tactical nuclear weapons of all types of weapons

in order to deter this open attack on an allied state. let's continue the polish theme once we mentioned it, but the polish ambassador, uh, the witch hunt continues in poland after this ridiculous stupid absolutely espionage case that they, but how they talk with enemies or just there on their knees, and they dragged belarusians into it, and now everything and more and more it becomes clear why they are doing progressively so the insides, the spy network organized by russia will be continued. we need to make sure that all participants identified are held accountable. and andrei, doesn’t it seem to you that it sounds like they will continue to nightmare belarus. well, in the same place, how are things received a week passes already there, military counterintelligence detains two more spies. one russian, one belarusian and all fried says yes, there are about twenty people there. these are the spies that we fished out there during the beginning of ours that they show that you look like you are working like this and we see that they are preparing

zelensky’s visit there. most likely, an information fund should be created. look, we caught weapons there, we will put them ready to fight. if anything, everything is falling down and then even recently came. so the current king is already the uk, that is, also, apparently, was talking about something, they, that is, most likely, that an international fund is being created for some kind of new aggressive statements. well, as for spies, of course, we were all very surprised that six ukrainians were building belarusian oppositionists there. all together they worked for russia, it turned out that even in the polish media how they presented this situation, that there , it turns out, some spies from the east, without indicating nationality, because if you say something ukrainians, the next step, so , how we filter, how we accept them, what they do here in general. well, society does not know this yet, they do not throw it up. that is, apparently, the matter is still sewn with threads, because the first step in this case is not to bark at belarus that we are bad here, but to filter our ukrainians, in which you accepted a million people there. here, look for spies there. no need to tie in here. our countries. the most important thing is always. that's how many

different espionage scandals there have been throughout even the cold war . the significance is determined by his access to certain documents, secret with the entire kremlin , of state importance, right? a? and if these are, well, uh, some nominal employees who simply unequivocally, here you will have a belarusian passport, you will be spies. yes, why? and, because you were somewhere near a kaleika, you passed by road stations, that’s why you will , yes, you will be spies, well, it’s clear that all sane people are not experts, but simply citizens of poland and europe in general should understand that well, what a spy. it's all his they took him somewhere at nato headquarters that he was sitting and so they dragged him out, yes, then this is a small self-presentation of evidence.

look, here was the case, we had all the evidence. that's all there go that the body showed everything removed the report and hmm the state security officers. they tell you how it all happened. there is not a single intelligible comment here. well, what those people are commenting on is just laughing at nothing to be seen, which is, well, character. why are the poles allowed this today, given what we are seeing? what just happened genocide with migrants, when here is a little thing, this runaway soldier, who , unfortunately, ended badly, but he told a lot of things, how they simply destroyed and shot these people at the borders, no one else presented now. generally. this too. we are going to a situation where foreign citizens are detained without showing any evidence and silence. not a single human rights activist, not a single fighter for human rights. even the genus will not open. why are they now allowed there martial law they have from the new district figure extremely, that is

they don't work there. not the media is not some iron fence wall. this means that it is not guarded by regular troops there. and such rangers, that is, well, some volunteers and poles, in general, took them there, theron. that is , again, these are not the military, but people who pulled them out of work from somewhere, there for 2 weeks. they rotation there are what they were doing. they drink there, which means that all sorts of exhibition relations are fighting. and, of course, you can still hunt people from here. phones are taken away. how migrants told money. someone is thrown out there and beaten, that is, there is no discipline there. as such, therefore, of course, yes. there the same clear picture is called the regime itself. yes, they are turning into real traffickers, which means that the minister of the interior, kaminsky started it. uh, the belarusian side received a clear signal that while how much is in prison , the border crossing in the beaver forests will be closed. if pochem will be released tomorrow, the day after tomorrow the passage in the beaver forests will be opened. that's what it's like not trading not you will make money, and it doesn’t matter if it

doesn’t exist. you know the fact is that today these are the positions of the polish authorities, but they are so, let's say, so russophobic belarusian, as you like, but they are ruled by only one innocence. you see, this is hate. i don’t know, she grew up, of course, the old days. it is constantly felt, but today, as you know, it has grown like a mushroom. and she is a very important question. but we are still our closest neighbors. and we must clearly draw the line between the current political regime in poland and the local population and says that these are two. well, fundamentally different groups, of course, of course. i’ll tell you here, i worked for many years in brest and, er, i’ll say that the relations between the border er, population groups and the polish belarusian are very warm and, let’s say, so well restrained by the economic

component. yes, that's why they have a polish policy here, let's say the poles, uh, their leadership. of course, we do not share the groups that are supported. well, we also have to watch the requirement, but the population and uh, political summer to date. in poland , these are generally different concepts and they have different values. son, do you think we should make a fundamental distinction? look even at the situation now with truckers who are making claims to the polish government that they are losing their jobs and that their jobs are being replaced by carriers from belarus from the russian federation, yes, that is, but at the same time , lithuania again blames the republic of belarus that the goods since the closed crossings went through the cast overflowed borders. yes, that is here they can’t figure it out in any way, at least they can actually earn money. well, in the sense of yours - this is a separate conversation. that is, we must definitely start, because it’s not without reason even when there are some holidays. eh, official

state events take place, then the president of the republic of belarus congratulates the people. yes, that is, to the people, because we understand perfectly well that, yes, the people choose their own government. and how it chooses is also a separate conversation, but these are people who are very much in many ways. that part of the population who understands that everything that is happening. uh, it concerns ordinary people, it's just that the consumers of the people of the citizens of this state are only on the side that someone wants. uh, how to prolapse your interests or declare your interests to assert your right, according to our viewers, the fact is that our programs are watched on the internet, including those who live in poland now and they periodically. that's just what they pay attention to. here are yours in the comments. in fact, under each video you can find here an interesting comment. he is indicative one of many e under video with an interview with a famous russian blogger dmitry puchok recorded last week. and then we saw this comment and realized that this really needs to be said. let's hear a big hello to everyone from poland,

really simple poles. they want to fight with the russians, then they are our warriors. and in general, they treat russians normally, but very many do not know the truth, since in polish tv one horse, russian channels are all turned off. and many more are intimidated. they even want to hear the truth, they are afraid to talk on the phone on this topic, they only complain about for everything, alas, there is such a situation that what we are talking about is blocked access and channels of information, that is, there is no diverse information that is pumped up only that which is beneficial in order to provoke negative attitudes, both to russian and official marriages, and still people find sources find an understanding that it is necessary to consider various aspects of this issue and cool off the bare thinking that we are still people we are neighbors, as you rightly say, yes, we can’t choose neighbors and we will continue to live someday it will all end early or later it will move to another stage into another phase, but to live there and we will remain people, we will have to

trade, work, meet, travel, that is, transparency. the boundaries of the movement of labor capital. the entire international economy is built on this free movement. eh, and so to speak normal relations are built. yes, we monitor a little what people actually do there. yes, well , flushing from capital, that is, children there. hmm , senior courses of universities, for example, and there the senior school is being prepared specifically for war. this is not was. the last one was there for three or four years. but the right-wing justice party, apparently , has relied on such militarization, what we see even in youth movements, which in poland are also very powerful there, it’s not belarus, somewhere there are some football fans and that’s it. there really are politicized groups that are influential, who hold their own territory there. and these are the nationalists. they are very aggressive, that is, in ukraine. we saw how in 8 years you can grow this cannon fodder, which is absolutely in general, a convinced idea ready to fight in separate units, apparently, the same thing exists in poland. therefore, yes, people of the older generation, of course, they have known our country for many years. some kind of connection is traded there, there are other related ones.

but this is the youth, they are the most aggressive, the most dangerous, because even in the ukrainian army we see that the bet has been made . people can make a herd of pigs there, but in a couple of years and with the help of the media and smith, the polish ones are also engaged, of course, are engaged in washing. we, if we see, there are stories about belarus there somewhere in the azaks along the streets there, which means that they report that 30. in prisons , water cannons always show gas, that is, not the situation that is real today, otherwise, what else was there 2 years ago. this picture is always present with him. well, look, and this is reflected in the perception of our people. a-and their neighbors for what is happening recently, the institute of sociology of the academy of sciences published these opinion polls, and the priorities belarusians in foreign policy here in the first place is the predictability of the union state. e with the russian federation in second place. belarusians. we set the development of relations with china we see that there are fewer and fewer supporters of a neutral policy. yes, for a long time we thought that this is our kind of business card

, there are fewer and fewer supporters , and belarusians are quite confident about unfriendly countries . ah, existence. eh that there are not enough castings at all. here, if you look, we see what an authoritative american edition of the secretary general's politician writes. antonio gouache traveled to brussels to convey a simple message to eu leaders to stop world hunger. how, having ensured the delivery of russian and belarusian fertilizers to developing countries, and, despite the sanction , it would seem that the lithuanians should be the first to rejoice, because this is an occasion to compensate for the sanctions losses and support their ports, but no, lithuanian politicians, i quote three, intend to oppose the exceptions and sanctions for belarusian fertilizers, which are being discussed in the eu by the prime minister. shamanita stated that the president of lithuania must not accept any derogations at the european council. who bit our

neighbor, what kind of rabid dog? you correctly defined very clearly, this uh russian verb, yes, to earn. yes, they had the opportunity to earn money, but for some reason they refused, but because, uh, it means that there is some kind of alternative, but they do not earn money, but receive some kind of subsidies in the first place from the united states of america to earn it is difficult. yes, it is necessary to negotiate with the belarusians. it needs to be contracts. and it is necessary to ensure the reloading of our collic fertilizers there, our goods. and why yes, it’s easier to close all this, issue an account for the united states of america from the funds and say compensate us for this and they receive the sanctions that have been introduced, and against belarus since the twentieth year. e through the blocking of the port infrastructure. this is definitely in the future. uh, it should have been compensated from not the one or other

funds, uh, that are engaged with washington or london otherwise it does not work. ah. this deal will be squeezed by the removal of the sun. still, it's common sense. well , common sense always prevails sometimes, er, only in such an intellectual game. and when u hmm there are u banknotes? yes, it just shouldn’t be from i think that he will make a movement will make, uh, certain processes, but in reality, until we uh, most importantly, we will not see the liberation of, uh, countries the baltic states and poland from occupation by the united states of america yes, because we have just discussed what we have just discussed , we must admit that our neighbors are under occupation, by the way, let's turn to our main question. what conclusions do we have to see everything that happens around, but live with our own mind. it's clear. and while we

are succeeding, and on friday there will be a message from the president to the people of the parliament - this is always a key event , attention is always riveted to it, and this year we see that also the speed of events and the situation. well she's just at war in the country, we pay attention to it. here are your expectations from this message, if there are any at all or konstantinovna, of course. uh, this message, really uh will be at a time when the setting is changing, every minute every second no stability. we don't see it today. and this message, as if, like an annual message, will outline some particular strategic priorities, and like me. i hope it will again affect all aspects of life, like our international relations, including, of course, our internal problems are our inner aspirations of our people. well, what do we expect from this. i think that this will be such a good analysis of the international situation, our place in this world and the prospects for our movement forward in this so unstable, but in the world in which we must live and develop

in the past, the message was remembered for the fact that the president was very frank. yes , a very frankly departed moment. yes, this general narrative, which is even classical. well, i don’t know the style of presenting this message and asked three key questions belarusians. i suggest now to remember this fragment, and then we will return to the current messages, please. belarusian people my first question, but not the most important one, are you ready to pay belarus for your own defense for your own state, the next question are you ready to pay for this expensive thing and are you ready for independence?

are the belarusians today ready to really break away with initiative work, set themselves a task for their family and work at least for themselves. and everything else that we saved the state. and that's how only we use this internal potential of our people for every belarusian. we will be twice the rich man heard the society of his president. well, if these were three questions, three answers were received in 2 years. in principle, yes, we see that they are quite united, that many things have been overcome, which were still in the twentieth year. well, the truth remains problems, of course, how without it well , of course, that is, there is a certain ritual tradition to address the message, and even when it began to be postponed a little. well, that is, people

already feel so little anxiety. and why remember, putin's message was also postponed in connection with the military operation. that is, it is a necessary part of our political life. and of course, except for such a spectacular, yes, component. there are certain tsu that all government agencies receive, that is, people sit there with notebooks and take notes on what to do is also important for them. that is, it's not just somehow you know, our transmission. yes, here's a popular something to explain. this is also this green such a reconciliation of clocks inside state apparatuses, of course, that is, of course, since our vertical of power is the president. he always does it. so somewhere, if by improvisation, maybe, well, there certainly are templates, there is an escort, if we say so prepared in advance, here are these certain theses that we hear and also remember how it was in russia, for example, that putin’s message was created around some kind of artificial is pressed, that one should expect some such incredible statements right there, and then people were a little disappointed, no matter how they were. that is you need to understand that, well, this is still a procedural moment, and no matter how it is, it will not necessarily be right away. anyway, well, this is also all important and you need to listen carefully.

this is exactly alexey you know, you need to realize that our society is already built on the principle of the people in power, yes, in fact, the president, and through the message he expresses those key issues that concern our society, worries from the point of view of the geopolitical situation. uh, in our region there will be a war there will not be a war, the second question is the economy us where to develop further in this difficult period. and we see that he is the president , because he does not make this speech. uh, i read some, in some formal way, just uh, and we will end our speech there. we see that the president u is going through uh, burning and sick of all the problems that at the same time worries our belarusian

society. therefore, the president's speech embodies this spirit, this movement of the entire belarusian people. it seems to me that the president will pay much attention to internal security. if we take, for example, the situation in belarus over the past year, more than 12 terrorist acts have been undertaken inside belarus at the present time. these issues, internal security, and they simply require the population to be vigilant, i don’t call here, there is somewhere to knock or report something, but the question is that we must be attentive to people and that happening around us. it will be sure that attention will be paid to this. this i am sure. well, thank you very much for participating in our program. we we thank our experts, but we do not say goodbye to the audience, in a couple of minutes we will treat another conversation with the russian writer, publicist, tv presenter leonid. stay. with

us and we continue to be very pleased to welcome to our studio a person who is known and loved by many readers and viewers from numerous works in literature and on television with us. hello leonid mlechin or mikhailovich. here, the truth is very glad to see you in belarus, you do not deserve others. we are of course watching your activities and we we saw how at the minsk book exhibition, where you presented your book about you , people accepted autographs for inclusion in questions. that is, it was clear that it was not so much a book to discuss, they were interested in hearing your opinion on those events, as it is customary to talk about the agenda that surrounds us now. if we talk about your book, then, as far as i understand, it is not only about kazakhstan in the broadest sense. she including about this comes dramatic events, and which journalists spoke about. uh, bloody january.

correctly understood. yes? quite right. i was even going to call it that then says, well , it's somehow too scary, maybe it's actually scary. you know, i was shocked because i was in kazakhstan, but not long before these events, for me , kazakhstan, which i have not written about for the first time, has such strong instability in this very dangerous region. everything around is on fire. and kipelov in the cauldron. and here in kazakhstan i always thought everything was fine and calm and suddenly it explodes there and you know. i'm sitting in moscow me viewers wrote. i asked what was going on. i saw the chronicle. i read it and i was completely shocked. i think she needs to understand about this, how this can happen. how can this all happen in one second? but, to be honest, when i flew there, i was sure that there was already a sea of ​​people of my colleagues who were already finishing these books. it turned out that i wrote the first book about what happened in kazakhstan, i talked with dozens. e law enforcement officers

who defended order and talked with people occupying the last victims, and i saw what happened there? i was shocked, you know, at some point i had the feeling that i was in stalingrad, i was shooting at this building of the city akimat of the city government. just burned. i stood there while the equipment. here they set it up. i stood there for about 20 minutes, completely shocked, it could not occur to him, almaty, what a wonderful southern beautiful city and this happened, how could this happen, how this thin film of civilization flies off people, they turn into this god knows what i wanted to talk about it. well then i believe that in general, but in the republics, to which they were together recently. we know very little. we consider it. it really is. yes, it's a problem that it seems to us that you know and understand everything, but this is not so, because, of course. each nation has its own rich and interesting history, and the performance must be

told about it. i decided that i will tell and here there is no discussion. a detailed description of how and what is happening, and then kazakhstan and then in kazakhstan, the most interesting new president , the most interesting, from my point of view, outstanding he is a very curious politician, i have known him for a long time. it seems to me that he is underestimated and does not understand his significance. i wrote a biography about him. he is the son of a veteran. know for me. it was of great importance that his father came from the front on crutches, and his uncle , his father's brother, died at the front. and his father, it turns out, did not believe to the last that his brother was dead and told his son that maybe he had a shell shock. he's in the hospital somewhere and we need to find him. only much later they found a grave where he died, and his uncle is so important to me it is of great importance with infotovik, but there is also a solid and interesting character, and then in general kazakhstan about how people live there, what they think, how they

see the world. i think this is very important. you can tell a lot of parallels in general, just remember right away, right? they rushed to compare with other color revolutions what happened in kazakhstan, they began to talk about - 2020, which they say is according to the same patterns. the same methodology. when you worked, did you find these parallels, or is this a separate story, honestly, i'm afraid of parallels. now i'll tell you why in principle, there is even such a section in the science of historical corporatism, or they compare historical situations. somehow i don’t, because i see the hand of people in everything, here are the figures of people, i am history. now, over the years, i began to see through the biography of people without without through but the main figures. well, in our youth, since we all lived in the soviet union, there was a rather limited role of the individual in history, that it is that the people decide everything, and who gradually came to the conclusion that everything depends on these figures, and the figure is

different people everywhere different, so i need to what you have to be very good at handling each situation. you sometimes think that you have a pattern. he will help you in everything, no, in history, in what is happening around us. we must understand each situation. so tonally. that's perfect. you need to understand exactly . it is necessary in them, maybe it takes time. well, you don’t have to feel sorry for him, this is our brother’s concern, because sometimes we are in a hurry, there were quests a little for this , they criticize us from them, that something like this is needed. recognize, in principle, in this being journalism. you must be the first to report what is happening a hundred lines per issue. you must be able to write instantly. standing, even against the wall. this is one side. now we have the other side is that people want to understand what is really happening. it is clear that in the years of my youth, in order to find out what happened, it was necessary to wait until tomorrow, and my grandfather sent for newspapers. so, when he began to get the mailbox. i brought it to him, true, he was now reading

messages on your phone about what happened. any person. god forbid there the plane crashed someone took a picture. you know, well, further arises. the main thing people want to understand is why it fell a bad design that knows how to work, where to go to the pilots to the testers to the creator of the design aircraft and so on professionals who will carry out the necessary analytical work and present. and what do you think, did the circumstances allow the time , the facts, the people with whom they communicated at all. collect here this picture to understand the root cause and maybe even say so, after reading the book. we can draw such a conclusion. what do those events in kazakhstan teach us what kazakhstan all of us at night. well, i gathered all the information i could gather. well , that's all, only the almighty knows, we earthly beings are limited, and i formulated for myself what is happening and stated throughout the book how i see it very interesting to the reader.

maybe agree with me or disagree, but i'm not talking unfounded, i'm setting out. here are the facts that happened, people's opinions, what i learned and offer to see the picture, i do not offer my conclusions, because the audience is human. as you have seen, here are the main reasons, maybe the prerequisites for what happened for some reason. and what needs to be or has already been done by kazakhstan so that this does not happen again, but, unfortunately, there is an evil will in everything and it is very noticeable there. several diverse events appeared and coincided at once, whoever wants to carefully read this book agreed, but not the appearance. well, in any case, what i was told in kazakhstan is about internal events, but kazakhstan was very lucky that it was at the head of the country the man who showed his determination to the will, in general, was underestimated, only he is an intellectual diplomat. there was a very soft man

quite thought, quite right. it turned out, yes, it turned out to be absolutely in him , incredible determination to me there, his assistants close people tell me that the situation is when god knows what is happening there. not a second of doubt not a second of any unrest of anxiety. uh, in peace of mind complete complete control of the situation the right decision is made including the decision to seek help from organization of contracts absolutely exactly absolutely exactly. remember, these were crazy comments, everything like that puts the country under the power of the occupiers. everything means the end of the country. what a madness belarusian contingents arrived from russia. uh, other countries sent some of their own. yes, everything that was needed was taken under control of strategic facilities, airfields , ammunition depots, power plants, which was the point, as i understand it. first, the whole world saw that president tokaev and state power were in

place and recognized as allies by the communities. it kicked out right away. uh, moving in uh, the second troops of the kazakh security services were able to hand over the duty. uh, colleagues because of the dkb to do the restoring order for a few days. this happened, it didn’t line up, it didn’t sound, and our troops and yours returned home, having completed the task absolutely perfectly from my point of view. it's just this story will go down we'll be watching that now five breed of western politicians how corporation. really? we won't see it there again. no, i don’t know nicolas, neither the new shirak, nor thatcher, you already know that time has passed. i thought about these current events, and then i came to the conclusion that, in fact, the scale

of the tasks facing the leader of some western european state was not difficult there, up to sixty-five or up to sixty-four, the scale of the tasks stood. eh, i was talking about such a large-scale, not requiring strong politicians, it was about such very simple things. it's just different times now. i think it will. although with the other side. you know, this is how we are, when we look into history, we see bright figures, but we forget that they were not always there and not everything filled with bright was no longer bright. bright unfortunately, they do not occur so often. i'm like such a professional biographer i hunt for my heroes. in fact, there are not so many of them. unfortunately, such outstanding figures capable of changing time do not seem so strange to you. you observe or maybe we see it this way, that there is, for example, either another breed, or another league, putin is there lukashenka, that is, they are even, according to nucharism, in

physiognomy, in the manners of objects of fussiness. yes, that is, there is readiness. as you say, how to remember gromyka, e sits down. i began to negotiate and speak out, even if these positions do not coincide, how to negotiate. it's just that when we see different formats for different tasks for managers, there are leaders of heads of state, and they are of different calibers. and we have a common task today, the global world faces a common task before us. i think that, like, as you said and initially faced with such large-scale tasks which europeans have not been for a long time. it just wasn't. you know how there was no demand. well, it seems to me, it's nothing more than i had a demand, there was no need. well, let's look there two or three years ago. there four five years ago, the scale of the problems. well, on the european continent it's very similar. well, well , really, how can i say it correctly for a manager, but major political decisions did not have to be made, but did not appear. right now, we’re looking

at such large-scale figures appear, like you know too, if i remember that i was a daughter, is it true? churchill were outstanding figures. no , unfortunately, not at all an outstanding figure. in fact, it is not often here that one wants to reflect, that is, not for a high-profile headline for this question. namely. maybe we and the audience think together with you. if you look back at our history, you can highlight some mistake number one or catastrophe number one, which, like a bifurcation point, parted us in a different direction, we could be in another place. eh, you know, i think that the seventeenth year and i , with firm conviction, have already written about it not one book and made enough historical films. i think that if only the events of the seventeenth year, we would now live in a country with a population of at least 300 million people, and in a prosperous country, and the russian empire at the beginning of the 20th century. it was one of the five most developed countries.

we are now in the top five most developed countries. we would not have lost so many people, we would not have gone through such monstrous trials. we would live now about a long time ago already, prosperous with a prosperous country of the event, the seventeenth there have been catastrophes. well, in fact, if we did not enter the first world war, it further rewinds that back, if peter, of course , had happened exactly in 911, they would not have been killed in the kiev theater. he would have remained the head of the state, he would not have allowed it. in order for russia to enter the first world war, there would not have been the first world war, there would have been no events of the seventeenth year, and russia at the beginning of the 20th century developed rapidly and economically politically spiritually, after all, ah. silver age. this is the heyday of incredible art here in belarus, by the way, incredible development painting. here are outstanding masters of painting of the 20th century, golden brushes.

if you can, so to speak, here, right here, and the revolution prevented them, or here it’s all that they did, it would have remained here, they all dispersed, fled and disappeared, so the event of the seventeenth year is not for me a turning point and disastrous for russia in russia i i mean, not in an ethnic sense, i 'm not talking about the russian empire of the state in which we all lived together. yes, my ancestors from everything yes from belarus summing up may be conversational. not daring to delay any longer, but peering into the future. that's all the same question, at least forecasts. you do not like, but at least look into the future like this for you what colors are drawn. you know, i'm really very careful in this sense, but i would like to hope that i can still write a book about how these turbulent times ended and then try to figure out how it all happened? well

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