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andrei chernobay, analyst of the belarusian institute for strategic studies , we see how the world is changing dramatically and unpredictably, and these processes that are taking place in our eyes today. we 'll talk. hello live program. say, do not be silent in the studio svetlana smolonskaya. and tatyana shcherbina and today we are guests. andrey chernobay. good afternoon. hello andrei ivanovich, in our studio , a draft concept of national security has been submitted for public discussion.

well, similar procedures. we've already passed the bright an example of this is the nationwide discussion of the draft constitution. what are the features of the draft concept of national security? what should be paid special attention to, indeed for us, this is already such an important tradition. special advisory documents should be submitted for public discussion, because, firstly, it is easier for developers, too, because experts are involved, and ordinary citizens of the scientific community can express their proposals. if not constructive, then they will be taken into account, of course, and secondly, this increases the legitimacy documents that the constitution that the concept we have security, uh, in fact the concept of security. e, this is the second most important document after the constitution, which was adopted last year, and the constitution acted as a kind of methodological basis for the development of the developers' concept. they say that e-documents are 70% up to date. and, most likely, it is so, because even acquaintances are fluent, and the project has already been submitted. eh, on the internet.

you can find him and meet him. yes, yes, yes, it certainly gives an idea of ​​what she's introducing a lot as well for the layman. i, of course, first of all there is a rumor that this is a new area of ​​us security is the biological security of extreme relevance. this applies not only as a kind of this whole. and such a series is very interesting and significant, especially in modern conditions. and i guess it's electoral sovereignty. this is what people seem to know what they hear, but in fact, of course, you need to look much deeper there, but because it is reflected there. the situation in the world, which is now changing dramatically. and if we'll take, uh, that project. or rather, to the concept that is now in operation, it has been working for us for the thirteenth year. eh, what does that say? this speaks of the quality of development, and then there were projects in their time in the tenth year in this concept, that is, the developers were able to predict the development of the situation in the medium term. still. it works, uh, in other countries, of course, the concept of strategy does not work for so long in

russia, but changes every five to six years, in principle, the strategy, and we are safe in poland over the past 20 years has changed six times and this period is from 2 to 6 years. that is, there is a more flexible reaction, probably some manifestations. perhaps it is just due to the fact that we were able to predict much more competently on the development of this situation. how many years, eh, the new concept will work, but we recently conducted an expert survey, of course, people see how everything is changing dynamically now, that is, experts in their mass suggest that it should work for five years. and if 5 years is also a success, because in that an international problem that we turn out to be, it is also very difficult to put it this way this uh document made quite a year in april will be approved at the whole cycling meeting. that is, in a year there will still be a lot of changes and developers, most likely, the developers will have to take these

changes into account, because when making it out. uh, draft concept. naturally, she expect questions. here are the delegates. why is this so, and why didn’t this come out, that is, there is still refinement. most likely there will be a question about the concept of security discussed and the time of the recent meeting of the supreme state council of the union state in the kremlin. and there they already talked about the concept of the security of the two countries, and it was stated that such a document should be developed. it must be accepted. what do you think? how long will it take to implement this project and what fundamentally important points need to be taken into account in the concept of security of the two countries. yes, indeed, the concept of state security is a very important document, because it affects the security of both russia and belarus a-a it should reflect all the moments that we are now seeing, and everything that is happening in the world and in our region in eastern europe and specifically in our states. and this is not only a military political situation. this is

the economy, this information security. these are other directions. uh, how long, but the head of state passed the year, and the twenty -fourth year should be decided, and therefore the developer, of course, within this period, uh, will fit this quite feasible, because we know that it is enough. new stratogen with security of the russian federation, as we said in the twenty-fourth year, will be submitted for approval. to pass the concept of security, belarus, that is, the basis, will probably be all the same, these two documents are taken. uh, where our interests intersect, uh for allied states for the two countries. this is what will most likely be the basis. that is, it should give it to be a program a document that will show us for a certain period of time. how to protect our interests. uh, where are the sources of threats, who will do it at in his speech at the meeting of the highest year of the council of the union state , alexander lukashenko announced how we would actually protect the national interests of the two countries. let us remind viewers in

the face of linked against belarus russia and the information political economic war of the international law crisis of the obvious impact of international institutions. we need to defend the national interest in an even more slippery and efficient manner. and russia in the message itself, the president knew about this in advance, i open bluntly said, if necessary, we will apply everything that we have, our state and our people. we will apply everything alexander grigoryevich said, as you know, he does not seem to throw the wind. do you think that western americans have heard all the meanings that alexander lukashenko puts into his messages. so let's call it messed. yeah, uh, would that cool them off? we know that we already have to apply, that, well, practically, when in july already, uh, nuclear weapons will be deployed on our territory. now there are already iskanders and so on. and i say drew attention to another sentence. if necessary, that is, we do not threaten anyone. we just

warn you guys, let's live. let's be careful, because we have something to answer. indeed, the last year. he probably became such a key in terms of rearmament, and of the belarusian army, because even before we had the latest military equipment with russia, this is british equipment and aviation. now, of course, iskander. this is a very powerful complex, and it has no equal, it can speak directly. in the west, therefore, this is a powerful shield for protecting the military security of belarus, air defense, in my opinion, yes, if i'm not mistaken, it can't. yes, yes, yes, because, in fact, rocket launchers are hypo-sonic weapons. here is the frontier. uh, five speeds. she surpasses her six. that is, it is already, in fact, a hypersonic weapon, so it is very difficult to track the interception of missiles , an independent one that goes along the ground along the terrain or goes into near space for 100 km, then, uh, in fact, from a dagger missile,

which is now in russia. yes, it is very powerful and dangerous for our probable enemy. if they appear, i say again, weapons, of course, nuclear weapons, that is, nuclear weapons. now only the lazy, probably, does not talk about it, but you need to understand that mm. this, probably, was not an easy decision for the head of state. they weighed all the pros and cons, they perfectly understood that there would be a response from the west, yes, well, probably in the situation in the conditions that we are now. it was still the best choice for in order to ensure their military security, but because if we are already speaking openly. if we have nuclear weapons at our disposal, then naturally no one will touch us, because the answer will be very uh, essentially very unpleasant for the attacking side. you know what surprised me that the united states, let's say their reaction to putin's statement was quite restrained, that is, there was none. there is some kind of surge of emotions, so to speak, condemnations of statements of concern and something else, that is, well, as

it were, it’s all quite calm, but absolutely located thousands of kilometers from europe yes, there are few of them, yes, in fact, and europe is suffering now for the united states in all these situations, there is everything related to ukraine by frost and other points. that is, well, what, you have nothing to lose, and europe took care, even we see, here are the last visit to beijing and the macron fundline questions, about what, including nuclear weapons, do not give. apply don't let's place e don't place it's elementary possible our president said how to do it. withdraw your nuclear weapons from europe, what will we do to in the american continent, and then we won’t deploy, but they will do it . no, of course, they won’t, andrey ivanovich , but the statement on the deployment of nuclear weapons is timely or maybe it should have been done earlier in order to cool hot heads. i think, after all, it was timely before, probably, there was no need for such a thing. although, the warning was sounded more than once and this state of both belarus and russia that uh,

there is such a possibility, and in principle, we have always made no secret of the fact that we are allied states , we have a common military security system, let's put it this way, and that's why we talked about a kind of nuclear umbrella from russia, that is, we were already covered, but when we see how much the cloud is gathering around belarus in the west in the north west in the south. here, probably, it has become just more than some coordinated speeches, steps, therefore, i believe that everything has been done. but its time and justified everything was done on time. minula is rich in visits to international meetings. we will talk about some of them on the eve of the higher e mentioned by us, the council of the union of the state, a meeting between alexander lukashenko and vladimir putin took place. here is what alexander grigoryevich said following the results of the negotiations. yesterday, i managed

to communicate with a colleague longer than planned. and the more they talked about the economy or security, the military-industrial complex, military issues, defense industry and so on, well, we are leaving the negotiations , we are satisfied with the resolution of all issues , we discussed the course of the negotiations. we are satisfied , but we know that for quite a long time the leaders of the two countries communicated behind closed doors. you can guess. which they discussed the issues there, as the president told you, they were simply of a closed nature, but he outlined these issues. yes, it is both safe economy and its technical cooperation. these questions, of course, are not for journalists. let's just say it's not for strangers. they discussed the door, because there, probably, specific terms and volumes were called. uh, the sums are sheer undertakings, of course, this is not for bagels, so it had to be discussed face to face. and maybe some issues

were worked out for the future. eh, because at the heart of all such negotiations on a bilateral basis, including , first of all, there is an analysis of the situation, how it will develop, some kind of forecast? that , of course, is all, this, the main thing for the state was taken into account, that is, it is possible that we are now, uh, observing what we were talking about. this is the first step later, perhaps there will be a second one , depending on how the situation develops. as far as safety is concerned, of course, this is the key topic of our time. there will be no safety. it's not the economy that matters anymore. nothing else but all these realms are interconnected, because there is no security without economy either. so give me the economy, i'll do the rest myself, yeah. and we will mention one more visit of e. you already talked about it macron in the company of the head of the european commission, he went to china on a shipboard train. hmm, the macron publication writes about the results of this tournament, it was not possible to convince the middle people regarding the war between russia and ukraine , and, what is surprising, this failure

was predicted even before the start of the visit still at the stage, as soon as it was announced that it was planned. why is a macron, which in its the country cannot bring order? yes, he has there constantly non-stop going, uh, a rally against pension reform. eh, he can’t restore order there, he goes to china, uh, trying on the mask of a peacemaker, but what did he expect? well, i would not say that the visit is such an unsuccessful failure. no, he's not a failure. let's start with the fact that this is not the first visit of european politicians. beijing end of last year, this is scholz. yes, and charmer. yes, uh, the first such entry of the path was blazed like this; now the second entry of this we see macron and ursula aquarius and after them comes, firstly, preparations for the eu-china summit, which should be in the middle of this year, and secondly, china, uh, has probably become more attractive, as a kind of center, and

geopolitics. that is, they go to him, and for advice bs request. and as we see some economic agreements, and in terms of macros, arriving in beijing, and not only beijing brought good luck to china, they entered into a very important agreement with china in principle, this includes aviation and the space industry and other areas. why china is also important in europe well, firstly, we know that these partners are economically very strong, and about 10% of europe's exports are china more than 20% of europe's imports are china, despite the sanctions that are now in the first place, the united states is against china led, and china is important in the first place, e, semiconductors with rare earth metals europe by 98%, rare earth elements are provided practically due to one source from china. this, of course, is a very important point, because there is no more. where to get, yes semiconductors taiwan as

part of china, let's say, well, they have their own separate economy, but it occupies such a leading position. that's because of the sanctions, and let's say china started the percentage by 20 taiwan rose by 30 in semiconductors, but ahead, and the transition to electric vehicles. bring down the batteries again. this is the chinese percentage in china a is projected. in the next quarter of a century , european demand for lithium will increase 17 times, therefore , naturally, all eyes are now on china, primarily economic, and in terms of geopolitics, of course, china has become more an important state, and beijing is the center, as i said, and therefore considering the cooperation and partnership with russia, they also go to beijing in particular. we have seen what the reaction of the european union was to the peace initiative of guardianship for the floor of ukraine , negative, but, nevertheless, politicians, one second and third, so one on one,

as if they were going and saying that it was like that. hey, how is it official? yes, that is, and of course, of course, uh, anyway, even 2 weeks ago, probably the secretary of defense. czech republic jan chernoho did not say. let it be. count up let anyone have china, as long as there is peace in ukraine, probably, this position is shared by many politicians in europe, and another thing is that washington does not allow them to express it, because, well, apparently, unfortunately, europe today is completely under the control of the united states. the united states is a state not only of military security, it is of economics and politics in literally all these respects, as for ursula fondleyin from the general , such an interesting, brave woman. hereditary russian baroness. on march 30, she smashes china in her fundamental speech. oh yes, blaming blaming, and in repression within the country and in some kind of aggressive designs. e is outside and literally in a couple of days e is going no redder to the same beijing now, how she was received and how she was seen off there almost did not notice. well, she was very offended and humiliated

by the fact that when she flew away, she went through a general inspection. uh, that is, through with everyone we are just citizens, that is, there was no enthusiastic reception there, and after her statement on the neighbor, she should be satisfied that they didn’t deploy at the airport, let’s say that she was accepted and accepted , in principle, by the head of state , be that as it may, because there were, among other things, in the format of three leaders, let’s say negotiations, so well, why else is she interesting ? i would consider her not only as the head of the european commission. she is probably one of the most realistic candidates for the post of nato secretary general , we know that in september, after all, yes should leave. he has already twice had his term was already extended for a year and here is one of the strongest such personal erselona fondalian, therefore, perhaps it was accepted by some kind of relationship with the expectation of the future. you said that china is very important to europe. but is

europe really important to china? china europe is also important, because it doesn't matter, it's a market. well, let's talk directly about finance money, because that's what it looks like. i have such an opinion that france will just become these, and let’s say the gates to europe in china’s western branch after these agreements, because a serious agreement is a sphere, very a serious aerospace sphere, and the issue of nuclear energy was also raised there. and we know that france is actively building power plants around the world. uh, china - it's already a lot of sand. christ, most likely, it will be. here is such a cooperation to continue. and not in vain, probably, the macron went, and he arrived, after all, not empty -handed, when he had already returned from china, he began to talk about what we need. eh, well , a little bit already to move away from the use of the dollar to move away from this. this is also somehow connected with the concluded contracts europe has already tried to move away from using the dollar. yes, leading the euro. and now we see

some politicians. of course, they are moving away from the dollar, and many countries, entire regions and neighbors , including they are switching to settlements in yuan, that is, uh, not only are we saying that beijing is becoming a set of geopolitics. it is still becoming such, but a geofinancial center, maybe, yes, because the yuan is still shaving off its weight, uh, first of all, not in the environment, let's say, of the most developed countries, but maybe in the countries of the second and third echelon , which will be much easier and more convenient and it’s safer, uh, to switch to the calculation in uh, a more predictable evolution in terms of the political, let’s say, than the dollar will be the targets of your forecasts, while we take a short pause, i remind our telegram channel, say, do not be silent, subscribe. suggest guests. ask questions. we are in touch. and today

our guest is an analyst from the belarusian institute for strategic studies. andrey ivanovich well, for now, while macron was traveling to the big one, zelensky went to visit closer. uh to the dude and marava in poland it was awarded the order of the white eagle and it must be said that this is the highest state award of poland e, one of the oldest polish orders, founded in 1705. i am very glad to see, yes. and the funny thing is that in 1705 the famous hetman, ivan mazepa, also received the same award, let's not forget about it. and after the award, zelensky said in the future there would be no political economic borders between our peoples, and what is very important historically, zelensky dudya, a number of issues were raised, but

interesting, of course, the story of that, yes, the fact is that in 1831, according to the revolution itself, it was the capital of russian pirates from cardiods, that is, after the suppression of the uprising of 831 , let’s say more like this, uh, russia gave this order. here he was russian. as for the highest award. you know, in zelensky , their awards are much higher than those of other states. this is the czech white fish, this is the honorary region of france, er, that is, for this year. uh, even for a little more than a year he has grown on his chest in orders, because he actively shows the west how it promotes their interests and defends their interests. but zelensky, in turn, also, probably, all european politicians and not only the president of prime ministers and ministers and deputies. everyone was also awarded the ukrainian award. that is, this is how they have a parallel life. let's just say that while there ordinary ukrainians are dying at the front, and, accordingly, each other's leadership. uh , they exchange the highest awards and so on to joke so a little evil that, well, it will be something

to put on a pillow, but, probably, that’s not less in ukraine allowed citizens. poland to hold higher government posts. uh, well, solve, many problems. that is, in principle, uh, hmm, the poles are even, probably, endowed with rights no less than the ukrainians. and maybe even more ukraine is not the first to pass here. remember when the union fell apart and the independence of the baltic countries. that's it. roughly speaking, it settled down, uh, remember the president, the prime minister, and they all came from where they all came from the west, that is, citizenship was american citizenship. some more they occupied these highest post. that is, the situation was difficult with personnel, as it is now in ukraine . i don’t think that some kind of merger is behind this , it’s unlikely, because it makes no sense to talk about ukraine’s independence to zelensky and defend it, allegedly from russia, too time to take it to the west. at least at this stage, they are talking about it. and the fact that some closer ties on

bilateral. uh, some kind of multilateral relations there in eastern europe, this has been discussed for more than a month and even a year ago uh, there was such an idea that if ukraine does not enter, then we will create such a less block of eastern european countries, which along the border, let's say states. well, a little here at the expense of ukraine, yes, that is, it is quite possible that such an interstate formation will be created. and if the situation is already completely out of control, because we see how nato still does not want to officially intervene in this conflict. uh, and even participating in rammstein format negotiations on the same as the organization represents by the way, they say that weapons are supplied by individual member countries. nato is not an organization that delivers, although the organization is also investing very heavily, we see the european union is taking shape and nato is investing and the united states itself. and that is, uh, everything.

now it’s thrown by the west to defeat russia. i just heard the opinion of various analysts that these are the notorious dreams of poland from her husband to go home. analysts express different opinions , well, let's go back a week on march 31, when the president of belarus about his message, but turned to the topic of peacekeeping in ukraine , offered specific options on how to resolve the situation, the minister of foreign affairs, bucharest nine. uh, they called on the contrary not to go to the states, and to lead their troops to all these countries of the eastern flank. uh, that is, it was from estonia and ended bulgaria, all this strip, and of course, this is not good, but let's say some kind of peacekeeping initiatives, then there is in ukraine it only goes to the scalolization of the situation in the region. as for ukraine

, it is quite possible that someday, uh, this influence of this nine extends to ukraine, at least, it has already been proposed to include finland and sweden in this association. although sweden is a member. it didn't. that is, we are observing such polls, that is, let’s say this, zelensky’s tender friendship with poland is not dangerous for us now. well, after all, there is a possibility that, for example, if , after all, a part of the western territories of ukraine, then over time, poland , having felt this appetite that has been played out, will already be able to swing at the western territories. belarus, so let's see if western ukraine will become part of poland, this is the first. eh, some conditions must be created for this. that is, it will already be a complete collapse of the statehood of ukraine, finally irrevocable only in this case, maybe in poland to make some kind of breakthrough, but whether to make it even in this case is also a big question, because these are their consequences. and some including international planet again hmm

aggravation of relations with russia a. it will still be possible to preserve ukraine as a state, but in some other, and on a scale and in other directions, there will be a government of work, other people will be in power, so this too. after the rhetoric , will poland enter the western constant and if the situation changes dramatically in ukraine in tours in the other direction? that is, naturally, it will be very beneficial for the west to create some new point of tension in order for russia's effort to divert this, maybe somewhere in the south, but there is background. it may be, uh, belarus is quite possible , that is, it cannot be 100% ruled out that it will no longer decide on some kind of border conflict with belarus, uh , now she has more said that she is preparing for a large-scale deployment of the american corps in the polish village will appear before brest 400 km. um, let's see what kind of base it is, as they say, the new military facility is built on the model of a nato base with an area of ​​\u200b\u200balmost 80,000 m²,

including more than 100 warehouses, repair and maintenance points for fuel and lubricants equipment, hangars, administrative and residential buildings. on the base several thousand units of military equipment will be deployed, including infantry fighting vehicles tanks artillery vehicles cannot but be alarming , this was discussed many years ago, this base was built for many years, and i would not talk about the corps. there will simply be stored weapons equipment, ammunition , stocks of various means for an e-combat brigade group. that is, this is the mechanism of a brigade reinforced with artillery, and tanks and some other forces of combat technical support. for what in order to e in case of a crisis in the area eastern european, and it was possible to lie down in the composition of the united states airlift very quickly and already here on the spot. all this. behold, she stands ready and waits. yes, well maintained. they took the equipment, loaded it, refueled it and you can go to battle.

that's what it is created for, it will appear. yeah, uh, there's also an airfield on the train. there will also be drones. as far as i know, based american. but this is one moment, and the second we know that literally in the month of march the first was opened. uh, permanent us base in poland, uh, that is, if, according to the fundamental act, uh, anat’s russia of the ninety-seventh year in the countries of eastern europe that u joined nato after the collapse of the soviet union after the collapse of the warsaw pact, and it was forbidden , uh, the presence of these foreign bases on the territory of these countries on permanent basis , then the way out was found, as on a rotation basis, which is here the strange baltic states of poland and the us troops nato troops of other countries are on a rotation basis and in the twenty-second year. biden on the eve of the madrid summit said, that russia. it's not working either, and we'll be hosting, uh, a military base on a permanent basis. and here is the first base. she's

still small. well, this is the first swallow. it was already open in march from the solemn, that is, american troops. poland is already on a permanent basis. well, america has already invested so much money. in this confrontation with russia, there is a feeling that she no longer thinks. stop because, well, you can already tell on the map whether everything is set or there is still something that can stop. and america is very active with its base deploying all over the world, not only in europe, if we say that now there are about 100,000 military personnel in europe. uh, the americans are connected to this, and including some strengthening in connection with the conflict in ukraine. they still are. there, probably, eighty states and territories of the united states are not taken away by their military bases and foreign ones, but, that is, the us bases are three times as large, provided that the foreign base of all countries of the rest world, that is, more than 50 billion annually of the united states, i invest just to maintain these basses abroad.

this is europe, this is asian, quiet seriously, well, many countries of eighty say something, this is the third world, roughly speaking, what they need in europe well, firstly, we see that the united states has not been going from europe since the end of the second world war. that is, how they entered then as a liberator, and the west so they remained there, and the largest presence, of course, is germany, this is italy. these are parts. spain but this is already on a permanent basis, but on a rotational basis. for now, this is on the eastern flank of nato, and this presence is still ongoing. can u get away from this before can uh, was there an attempt? we are now switching to trump, but because even the future president of the united states, trump tried, but to withdraw a significant part of the troops from germany, then he did not succeed and trump generally pursued a policy of returning a significant part of you to the united states on comte no, we know what did he mean from syria, uh, the decision to withdraw the americans

from afghanistan is also trump's servant, and agreement in doha on february 20, 2020, which gave 14 months. that is, before may of the twenty-first year , all the troops were to be withdrawn. and biden. he simply faced the fact that he had to draw up an agreement, and he only took office in january and painfully, in principle, he managed to do it until august. uh, although, there were also some overlays, that is, trump now. e america, they are america, she is guided by today's own states is dangerous over the fact that this policy is extraordinary , unpredictable, very bright. uh, and probably all these troubles that have haunted trump lately. they are primarily related to trying to prevent it, and it is the election race in some way, because with all the failures of the biden, and when they are drawn into the fact of the matter, and on the states in this conflict in ukraine, and with

a with china, which are still in plain sight, this was also reflected in the strategy. with you, we have been saving the defense for 22 years , and in practical actions we see the support of taiwan and the coverage of china with military bases, including including the philippines and south korea and japan a. the creation of this block is an aucus involving australia uh, interests in new zealand and so on. that is, it is all right to pass china naturally to the american people - this, firstly, is not liked, because the country is becoming more and more aggressive. secondly, this is still taxpayers' money, that is, the money must be counted, and he has every chance to play trump. here in this policy it is opposites, that is, in ukraine , he will say that let's wrap it up. nothing do there. i can do it in 24 hours. well, for 24 years. yes, it will not repay, but nevertheless, everything depends today on your tone. that is, even if ukraine says, we all agree to everything, we stop the conflict. but washington will not allow them to do this,

because a lot has already been invested in both the expression and the ammunition technique and finances. that is, they want to achieve their goals of weakening russia as much as possible in military economic terms, because they do not see russia as a potential ally of china, and the number one goal is still china. but just the other day it appeared, and a message in one social network on the trump page. he wrote the third world war. yes, how do you rate it? he didn't explain this. yes, uh, as a matter of fact. he warned that guys, we are moving towards the third world couple to stop, because it really is, and we see how it is, including how predictable everything is developing and it is possible that if this conflict in ukraine does not remain on time, it will only be, uh, flowers, let's just say, because everything is very serious everything is very serious and trump probably warns about it. you say if you don't stop in time, because it's hard to stop now. eh, that is , there was a line when it was possible to stop.

it is much easier, and we saw that ukraine put them at the negotiating table and in belarus and turkey they were ready to talk. here but someone stopped them, who left them, of course, the majority did not stop, yes, that is, they, but were not allowed to do it. and now it is already very serious upholstered. i don’t know how much it is, perhaps, of course, we need to look for options. that we know the beijing initiative, and the znamya initiative of the president of belarus e. as you well know, any initiative now should welcome them not so much. and the louder. they sound. uh, that is, in any case, this conflict must be stopped, because dozens are dying. or maybe hundreds of thousands of people on both sides, we know how many millions of refugees, and in ukraine, too, europe , not sweet america hid across the ocean, but, in principle, she feels quite well and even on those investments that now they are doing it in ukraine, it will still win back this and the pluses of the industry are new orders, where there are some political dividends. she will receive.

and if the conflict had been stopped at the initial stage, then, probably, one could still talk about some kind of territorial integrity of ukraine on a large scale, at least even after the recognition of the dpr by the lpr russia as an independent state. and still, there were still territories that could be preserved in ukraine, but he did not go. and, of course, the big mistake of ukraine and the west e is that they did not comply with the minsk agreements no matter, the fourteenth year of the fifteenth year, because it is also pushed. in the fall of the fourteenth year, he resigned from office in december, the fourteenth year. he, in my opinion, said that there were alternatives to the minsk agreements. no, that is, this is one of all nato, he regarded it this way, therefore all these conversations there by merkel woland and their someone else poroshenko that they were manipulating time, yes, it was evident, because these eight years. they gave ukraine a very, uh, good term. tens of thousands of military personnel were trained by the west to re-engage in this, and the country turned out to have weapons technology. and they didn’t

switch to nato standards in training military personnel for nato charters, but all this was seen, but nonetheless. it was a real chance for a radius chance for ukraine, uh , to maintain its territorial integrity, including keeping the donbass uh, it was about the fact that there was a special status. e that there was a representation in their verkhovna rada , what was prescribed in minsk, but therefore paths did not go along the path of militarization. we took the path of escalating the conflict. and what awaits us now, uh, is very difficult to predict, because the situation that has developed now has not been calculated for us in my opinion. no one, russia, ukraine, the west , washington, no one calculated the audible opinions, some experts, who allegedly say only a change to the ukrainian president. it can lead to the fact that actually to the side sit down at the negotiating table. or, in principle, some kind of movement towards a truce and k.e. will begin.

the cessation of hostilities, at least the active phases, well, as for me, uh, i think that there have already been so many presidents in ukraine and everyone said that he was ready to stop this conflict, and would do everything possible. that is, the point here is probably not in the president of ukraine there is a rational grain in this, because zelensky is very much mired in obligations. and the new face will say, i didn't agree with you. i didn't take anything from you. i didn't promise you anything. that is, there is a chance. u start at least at least some kind of negotiation process of some kind, but the peace process has a chance to start, but not from italy. it is clear. here is another statement by clinton's squirrels recently, how would you regard the fact that he regrets his participation in ukraine's decision to destroy its nuclear weapons in 1994. and if we remember at the munich conference in 2022, zelensky said that he would like to reconsider these decisions . already more often. yes. e.

what is the probability that nato eu states will decide to put e on ukraine to introduce nuclear weapons on its territory? let's step by step, one fourth year. yes, in january there was a tripartite agreement. uh, ukraine has agreed to withdraw its nuclear weapons. we remember that after it fell apart. i will say, she remained in russia, ukraine in kazakhstan , belarus, and already in december 1994, she was in fact signed by the morando of budapest, but under guarantees, but by the nuclear powers. uh, the united states france and russia and ukraine got rid of nuclear which was located on this territory, the question is whether ukraine could contain these weapons. it's not simple. here we put it there. no, this is some kind of constantly scheduled technical work, but maintenance is the replacement of nuclear warheads, because the service life is not so long

, they have 10-12 years there. that is , 2-3-5 years would pass there and there would be a need to change them. wherever they change, they do not have the conditions for this , there is no industry. that is, it was necessary to apply again in russia, uh, i would put russia or not is the question. this is the first moment the second west then, but saw this configuration a little differently - it was the collapsed soviet union and four states, which has one frost and the unpredictable development of these states. nobody knew her. which way it will go, how close it will be to the west or to russia , it was naturally beneficial to get rid of these weapons, and russia, in principle, did not need to have either. here are the weapons in other countries. then all the same, the control center for this weapon of clarity. still was in russia, that is, they bore such a moral even responsibility for the consequences of their stay. these weapons are in these countries, and therefore a decision was made to withdraw, therefore what the ukrainians are saying now, including zelensky at the minsk conference. in february of the 21st century, what clinton says

is regrettable, but you can regret it, but in my opinion, when politicians make a decision here now, they understand that this option is the most effective later. for a while, can say that we did something wrong, but not then they did not so, but something went wrong after that, that is, if there hadn’t been this militarization of ukraine, there hadn’t been an aggravation of relations with russia, there wouldn’t have been these actions of ukraine in the donbass, when it was possible to resolve all this more or less peacefully, then the issue that i regret that i signed these agreements would probably not arise now. can ukraine now supply itself with nuclear weapons? i don't think that the united states or even more so france will go to britain, but in breaking the agreement reached, because even that is, weapons that are supplied in belarus, it will still be russian , probably, this is no longer spread to other countries. this is how the heads of state spoke. why can america do the same to the five countries of europe, yes, in the interests of ensuring its own security, can ukraine

try to develop its own nuclear weapons? and the second question, probably, all the same. maybe because of the scientific and technical potential. there is no matter what kind of weapon it will be. it will, of course. first of all , tactical, because there are carriers. will give whether to do it? yes, it seems to me that the west will not allow this in the first place, because the consequences are unpredictable. that is, i think that it is a nuclear weapon in ukraine's relations can be put a bold cross for a while. let's break after a short pause and return to this studio again, while subscribe to our telegram channel. it is called say and be silent, and look for all our releases on the youtube channel, belarus alone and on the website of the bell telegram company. who is petrovna what a wet day it turned out to be three funerals came, yes, there was still a mess going on about their business, bring

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. andrey chernobay andrey ivanovich, we have already stated that we will definitely talk about nato expansion in this program. and just recently, finland became already at 31, in my opinion, yes, 31 of the alliance, a year ago you spoke about this step. let's take a look at your comments. will türkiye block both states? i don’t know, so i can assume that, perhaps, finland will be missed, but the buffet. that is, this is such an intermediate option, not ours, not yours, how to save face and some services to make a little time, we'll see. well, it's been less than a year. yes, less than a year. it was yes, the broadcast was on may 17, that is, in mid-may a couple of days before. and the swedish parliament of finland voted for

nato entry, and on may 18, a day after the broadcast, they submitted applications to nato, uh, in general forecasts for analysts. this is such a thankless job because analysts don't tend to make predictions. uh, very difficult very rarely do not come true. but if the analytics predict asserts, it did not come true. this, of course, is a blow to the name, therefore, either they give such a fork or several options, let’s say so in a flowing manner, as they say correctly, there is a worst-case scenario, the best scenario, and so, let’s say, yes, but i dared, yes, a year ago , almost to make such a forecast, on what it was founded, it was based on the first on the situation, which took shape on three electoral companies. uh, last fall . this is the parliament, sweden spring, the current weather the parliament of finland and finally, the presidential election. uh, in turkey, which my months are waiting for us, and, uh, here is another factor is the kursk terrorists, with whom

the tour is such a fight, but because after erdogan. e, he listened, but he didn’t take it with hostility to finland’s entry into nato, but he spoke disapprovingly about it and hinted at problems with terrorists, and immediately after that, after that, as erdogan said it, and he respects himself as a strong ambitious politician, and in stockholm they held some kind of advisory council of these kurdish organizations, which turkey considers, uh, terrorist and the us state department was present at this event oversaw. naturally, it was an insult, uh, it was an insult to the president of turkey. in general, everything and turkey, and it could be assumed that he would not endure it, and finland behaved more humbly, so i assumed that they would still let them into finland, this is sweden, at least at this stage will not enter, which is dangerous. this entry into finland is necessary, if finland behaves, and neatly, and wisely, then a big

threat. it won't present. and if she still behaves, but for now, and everything talks about it, and she's all these washington ones. plans for nato plans, of course, this is a serious moment, these are two regions. and this is also an erotic baltic region. that is, we can say that mm the stop will be aggravated in these two regions. uh, what is beneficial for nato in finland and, firstly, we know that the three baltic countries or the dump more responsible from the rest of the nato bloc . only in poland, this suvalsky isthmus into a corridor. we will speak directly. if there is a big war. god forbid, of course, then nothing will remain of him. and these three sides will be torn off, and finland gives a chance. help them, because there is not such a great distance from the food of tallinn, that is, such a kind of bridge, this is one, and the second we are looking at washington's ambitions in the arctic, and the three

countries are now in fact, and it is russia united who is trying to lead in the arctic states and china, as an arctic state , it has its own interests, of course. washington is trying to prevent. uh, not russia , not china why does he need competitors, of course, of course, and finland will provide a lot of help here, because the finnish armed forces are small in peacetime, but in wartime. in general, they are so solid plus my great resource, they are ready to work in the northern conditions of the arctic conditions, including aviation, and the finns are buying 64 f-35 aircraft. this is the newest fighter fifth generation american. that is, it is very strong aviation. and as for the free border, we know that there are more than 1300 km in the common border. this, of course, creates a problem both for russia and for the nato bloc itself, that is, a question arises here. can finland close this section, but they will close anyway, uh, and here.

uh, it’s possible that the deployment of some e military will justify finland, this is not the expansion of finland when joining nato, e, it didn’t stipulate special conditions for itself, if in sweden se and magdalena andersen when else was the prime minister, she applied, she says, we will join nato, but we will not place a nuclear rose on our territory. we will not be officially at home finland fell on april 4 and just before the ceremony , the journalist turned to nato secretary general stoltenberg with this very question during the base, and he replied to finland that if finland wishes, it will not, if not will not wish, that is, finland and here they asked. question from finnish minister of defense anti kaino. he said that it would just be shrunk to be discussed second in line. that is, the first plastic is retreating, and then they are discussed about, moreover, justification, as far as i know, now finland is processing internal documents that did not

allow the deployment of nuclear weapons on its territory. that is, they will do this by hand, that is, in fact, the legal authorities will allow it if necessary. including nuclear weapons, the territory to place, and how far. gives e let's watch, but it's hard to say now, because russia will unequivocally take measures, and we know that the stationing of the army corps along the finnish border. and we know that the central military district is again divided into two lessons; it used to be moscow and dedicated leningrad e, that is, the territory that used to be, and the land part, let’s say, was guarded by the coastal troops of the russian northern fleet, now there will be a full-fledged military district with all ongoing consequences. uh, that is, well, finland has to watch how sometimes she has already lost by the fact that she, uh, got out. that's from this decades of decades, in principle, the status. i didn’t join him if no one would touch her, because no one threatened. uh, spoiling relations with russia should

be reflected in political relations and this will affect the economy strongly. well, this is the situation, and, uh, they didn’t hold a referendum, neither side, nor the other, that is, yes, it was the ruling parliament that decided. democrats here and there, uh, when a survey was conducted at the beginning of the twenty-second year before the start of the special operation, then finland less than 30% of the population were ready to speak to nato at the end of the twenty-second year already about 80%. that is, such a dynamic has gone, because it is fear. this is incomprehensible. it was pumped from the side of europe from the side of the states used the moment. this is where they came up with. in the final, from finland we will return to the long-suffering ukraine, uh, it has been promised for many years to be accepted into the alliance and the issue is planned to be discussed at the july summit in vilnius. what do you think? do you think the west will dare to move from promises to action with respect to ukraine, you are right they said that for many years ukraine has been promised

membership and some steps, but in fact , specific steps, uh, that would indicate that ukraine is confident in nato has not yet been taken. and it was hardly done. and the fact that in vilnius, these nato themselves, the issue of ukraine's membership in the alliance will be raised unambiguously. uh, well, to get up not to know what to decide, even if we hypothetically assume that e application of ukraine will be accepted by the offensive in nato is approved at the same meeting, then the ratification of the parliament of all thirty of it is a state. it will take more than one year and is unlikely in general, it will be, uh, really achieved, because there are so many problems that will hit the block itself in the first place. uh, in europe, that is, ukraine is a very problematic state now and take it into your company. no, of course, and therefore such workarounds, about which we have already talked about this interaction. with poland, these are some kind of bilateral multilateral agreements , attempts, to build some such bloc on

the eastern flank of nato, that is, bypassing it. uh, ukraine's entry into nato, nevertheless , somehow help her, and with weapons equipment training of personnel in order to prolong this is a conflict with russia as much as possible relaxing russia as you can say and political economic military terms. thank you very much for coming to our studio and answering difficult questions in an accessible language. we still wish that your forecasts come true and be grateful. we are tatyana for us, svetlana from malovskaya. we say goodbye to you until the next broadcast. goodbye. goodbye. and now he says, andrey chernobay, we live. very difficult unpredictable time, and the world is changing and far. it is not always better to go aside, so i would like to wish belarusians first of all. yes, and probably to all the people of the world, but a peaceful life is good. oh, to end all conflicts.

well, the secret is very simple. we just know how to communicate on normal parity relationships to determine our position and develop tools to strengthen our society, your ability to convey your thoughts. this is one more drop that sharpens the stone and which creates not only the international system, but it shows what it should be in perspective, but no external impact. it cannot be productive if there is internal unity, if people

are confident in the future, if they have stability to keep. multiply we have our backbone, which we have not lost in the nineties. we didn’t scatter it around, perhaps because we chose a specific course objectively. don’t miss it on belarus 24 channel

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