and now, the large number of people on the street, of course, is not so large. as they called uh, us uh, extremist resources from and to yes, yes 200-300.000 president. eh, so i gave a picture in which everyone was literally counted over their heads there 40,000, but even these 40,000 are much more than in all previous years precisely because of covid. why? because the social tension, it had to come out, it had to spill out, and it so coincided that at that moment the electoral companies were just going through, so i'm sure that if the covid had been later or much earlier , and then we would have really been convinced that the political decisions of president lukashenka were really right , there would not have been massive disobedience in belarus, we would not have caught it, but certainly other factors were added to the mind, which i list this

is the activity of the sleepers - this is also and that means new political faces, who seemed to be presented from the authorities, were walking being in power, for example, the same tenacious, right? and, of course, our work. more precisely, the flaw in the individual services of the organization of departments that were responsible for making sure this doesn't happen. i can't shut up and it's not in my principles, er, to say that black is white or vice versa. i say, as it was at that very moment, especially this section here, especially this section about mistakes. yes , not only ideologists, but also a number of departments got a lot of people. yes, you should at least read it, because i absolutely agree that sometimes we have discussed this before. believe me, until the twentieth year, when managerial decisions are made at the level of departments, not very competent provoking entire layers. or

categories are mistakes from which you need to draw the right conclusions. well, look, you criticize you offer. yes, but sometimes you suggest and do it. here are the conclusions to be drawn. well, at least idiologists, but the authorities of the society, or have already done now before the new year we have two companies ahead of us that are extremely responsible. i am sure that these conclusions have been drawn. maybe not one hundred percent, maybe in some other percentage, but the fact that they are made is obvious, we see this from the active use of new media of course, some people may use authorial journalism in the information agenda on the use of bloggers. after reading the first chapters devoted to ideological work, representatives of ideological services, including representatives of ideological services, may think, but we

understand that working as an ideologist. it is very important and very difficult. and we really appreciate this work, because it is work directly with people. but then in the twentieth year there were certain shortcomings. i would even say significant now, when you speak and travel around belarus. lenin and his log on the subbotnik, yeah , which, in my opinion, a total of about 100 people, was not demolished in the end, well, according to them , well, everyone attributed to himself now. i hear that all the deputies, all the senators, all the heads of the executive committees, all the heads of the ideological departments were on the streets then in the twentieth year, but this is not so. i personally saw only a few, and so, if it really were so, then august would be the twentieth year. it's not like he didn't repeat himself. it would uh go. hmm, with a slightly different sauce, it would go, uh, more gently. we

would have overcome this period without such unpleasant consequences for all affected electoral companies, therefore, of course, no one can be offended here. we repeat, we respect and the work of every sovereign person is very valuable, but conclusions must be drawn, they are already drawing and this main conclusion cannot be left on the sidelines, you cannot wait for a signal, you cannot have someone above you do everything for you, or even more so the president and in in this connection, i recall a very interesting historical moment. bismarck the iron chancellor was at one time the representative of germany at the royal court in petersburg, and in 1859, together with the retinue of alexander i, he went for a walk.

the weather was just as wonderful as it is now, and he went for a walk with emperor alexander the third in the summer garden, and there they saw a sentry standing on the lawn and bismarck witnessed such a conversation that alexander iii says. why are you standing in the middle of the lawn. there is nothing here. you are guarding that in general the grass or that they started to sort it out, send the commandant the commandant also does not know raised a very elderly elderly guard and he remembered how his father told how it was installed. here in this very outfit, it turns out 100 years ago in the same place, empress catherine ii walked and a snowdrop grew there and so that it would not be plucked. she ordered to put a sentry and since then the snowdrop has been gone. but catherine

forgot and a man went to work for 100 years and stood guarding an already empty place. everyone was waiting for the command, as in this case, the emperors. so here is the main conclusion. you don't have to wait for a command. we must not be afraid to take responsibility , the president constantly says if everyone will be in his place doing his job. we will have much less problems. but look, you've been in prison. became known. well, it's true, despite the fact that we were once the first secretary to the smb, yes. wrote a book is not easy, well, very interesting fate. and why, at the same time , could not voskresensky's case become widespread? well, after all, a really good case for any fugitive, if you expand it like that. probably because 99%, uh people are a follower. there are very few leading people, plus at

a certain historical moment it is very necessary political experience. flair intuition strategic vision of the situation, and this is not given to everyone, and often it is given from birth. plus, of course, taking into account the fact that i was the first who turned to the belarusians with a request to take their heads to that part of the belarusians who celebrated the feast of disobedience. i faced a fierce reaction with persecution with hatred, probably, like you marat sergeevich and all state journalists who then took the path of saving the preservation of the country and manageability in the country, of course, it was it is not easy to survive and survive and those

who watched from the side, they decided not to repeat this case. although then then. i needed their help, and together we could localize the situation, and it would not have grown to international sanctions . nearby, including because of cowardice. here is the totality of all factors led to the fact that the repetition of this case. no, not because they think it's wrong. no quietly in conversations. they all agree with me and now they are writing from abroad, how right you were, but publicly your knees trembled to stand next to the president, but i did not tremble. that is the question.

we live really well. isn't it true that the world of public statements of justice goes along different vectors. all this, of course, is also important and very important, but in my system of coordinates there is sincere and motivated stupidity. this is even worse than smart and cold-blooded calculation. i really love coincidence. especially those coincidences, about which you can and should say accidents are not accidental, the presence of problems does not negate the presence of achievements. we are wonderful, but we are not perfect. we have. in what to become better success is achieved by those who are ready for titanic work not only on the result, but also on themselves igor tur and his author's project propaganda , watch on belarus 24 tv channel. facts that have been hidden under the heading

secret for decades . what to imagine how i went out there , they took away the children and threw the children to the shepherd dogs, eyewitness testimony and a miracle, surviving prisoners of concentration camps, we will tell and show dozens of inquisitional operations did not give water in the concentration camp there was no we took this dirty snow warmed up in our hands and so we watch the translation of the genocide without the right to life on belarus 24 tv channel . we voiced a very interesting proposal.

president lukashenka masterfully raised the stakes at that moment he offered to exchange a chobot for a piece of lettuce with his unfortunate team and thus he drove the polish ruling circles into a zutzwank mating situation a stalemate because you were offered polish citizen. and how much is a person with a polish passport in exchange for some representatives of the marginalized public, some of which for a quarter of a century, uh, was fed from the hands

of the president. i mean palm. and, of course, the polish public thought, and it will put pressure on polish politicians and, uh, lukashenka brilliantly planted them. hey, very interesting case. i will say more next monday. i have been invited to the polish embassy, ​​and we will discuss this situation, therefore, in place of the ironic lettuce. i would think and think a lot seriously, but really. uh, this is a proposal, it was m-m on the one hand sounded. perhaps jokingly, but on the other hand, all the president's words have a sacred meaning and character. he offered absolutely concrete. well, if not a roadmap, but the first step towards this roadmap,

which can normalize belarusian-polish relations. if they don’t want to give out a lady, they can give out tikhonov’s, or they can give out prokopiev’s chain , we can discuss options, they can stop and disperse all these supposedly patriotic camps where militants train. this can also be with the subject of bargaining, but the ball is on their side. in fact, the proposal is very specific and in the coming week. we will discuss it already in the subject plane. well you heard a beam, only a beam of value, their stock has fallen too. i really like that tomorrow you are quite adequately on the topic of poland. yes, and this is important lately, all the news that we receive from them. they are so threatening enough the destruction of refugees the buildup of military potential in our borders. including the statements

of politicians about the deployment of nuclear weapons and doubling the army. and this is only part of the news. yes, you yourself have visited poland more than once, you already have constructive positions, as we like to say, well, you haven’t lived there, there are really no adequate politicians left who could, well, publicly indicate that relations with belarus are important. this is important for poland and for the poles as well, they themselves are suffering now, but under what conditions then it is possible, when we can return normal neighborhood relations. this question is very complicated, it interests me very much primarily from an economic point of view, because in addition to being a political scientist, i am also an entrepreneur in the past. and, of course, i see that mm belarusian-polish economic relations.

they have enormous growth potential. here we have the shortest logistical arm for all our corners should leave yes, and at the same time, i understand that the economy is still the primary base with the add-on that determines us. do you remember the soviet union with twenty-seven, in my opinion, yes, by the millionth members of the cpsu at the time of the ninetieth year, 29 million, practically and uh, an infinite number of millions of special services and ideologists. and what happened in the end, the economy is always primary, therefore, of course, it is in our national interests and in the interests of national poland to stop. this is a confrontation, but the question is that the polish elite has been brought up. these funds are sometimes called yes, this is also mentioned in the book and we have an option between the bad ones. this is the party of law and justice of the three-headed hydra of the dudemaroved kachinsky

and uh, the civil party, the platform, tusk and sikorsky, that is, bad and very bad , very bad. i will remind sikorskie. this is the citizen who publicly rejoiced at the explosion at nord stream, however, later deleted it. uh, your kind of choice will change and be bad. yes. uh, there are decent people associated with ld to vosnevsky, but they are now marginalized. of course, i'll be honest. i even wanted to address the president with a request , taking into account all my communication potential and knowledge of the polish political market. appoint me ambassador of belarus to poland i thought i could sort it out and get out of, uh, this spiral of opposition. but now i see that the regime

of the duda of marovets kaczynski is still playing to aggravate and, of course, this is due to the actions of their overseas partners, so answering your question, when relations between poland and belarus normalize, i will say when relations between russia and the united states normalize here when all the other 100 european parties agree, the parties will finally fulfill and realize their national interests. just be careful because it's a fact being in the status of ambassador to poland sometimes has a bad effect on the biography in itself. well, and so. well, you think, lettuce, in my opinion, is nowhere worse. i hope not, but still, when you go to the polish embassy, ​​ask a question. why did they deprive you of your freshly received in the twenty-second year, and two-year schengen, after all, for what and who dared so much? i clarified my channels from three

sources. why me? recognized as a threat to the national security not only of poland but of the entire european union. giving me a border, the relevant document was even prepared legally, they could not show me anything, because they allegedly do not persecute dissent, so they showed me suspicions that i was a threat to national security. and when, according to their legislation, such a suspicion is presented, you can go for years to prove that you are not a camel, by the way, i succumbed to the corresponding lawsuit in a polish court and am waiting. i really look forward to its consideration, but for some reason the case has been postponed for the fourth time . such a decision by the polish government, despite the fact that i am probably one of the few who call for the normalization

of polish-belarusian relations, i accepted the latushki on pavel's denunciation. as i say , it affects badly, the corresponding denunciation to the office of marovetsky and with the office of arovetsky came an order to the department for foreigners. uh, turn me on. here in their list of sanctions is absolutely vilely illegal. uh, but uh, i wasn't surprised, to be honest, yuri . the fact is, if now the exchange for y for how much did it take place, it was such a very interesting irony of fate. i am alone i can't help but ask a question in belarus , the belaya rus party has appeared. the political field, in principle, has begun to stir. yes, nevertheless, they began to think about re-registration and deal with this issue, it is obvious that the sofas will disappear well. if 2-3 remains here on this background. i hear ksds less and less, and i

hear and see yuri voskresensky, but ksds no why and isn't the time better now for political ambitions? the fact is that the csd with a round table of democratic forces was originally created as a factory of thoughts, as an analytical center, as a kind of political incubator, on which certain political organizations of the structure can mature, they are now maturing within the framework of the organizing committees. well , of course, they are far from such pillars as belaya rus romanova kpb. falcon ldpb haidukevich. the time has not yet come, they have not matured yet as for the analytical structure itself, of course, it works, but you already know on this, hmm, it’s not quite visible to society, not at a completely public level, it works with

foreign embassies, it works on a proposal to lift sanctions from belarusian enterprises. yes, it doesn’t work yet, but we are sowing here. these grains of doubt among our western partners, so this political organization has not yet matured and it may not exist, to be honest, if you take me, i don’t want to trust people i don’t know, and this is almost 3 years behind. i encountered the fact that many people came to the cd to solve their personal issues, minor issues to cover up. e, so from the side of e law enforcement agencies. they thought that this would somehow help protect themselves, that is, they tried to use it for personal gain this is unacceptable for our organization, and i realized that if we create a party , we will fall back on the same rake, but

we don’t want to step on the rake if it has not matured in a natural way. stvenno nothing should and will not ripen. and here, let's say about these people in partially yes, then let's say them. so very parallels can be easily drawn, it is connected with your other mission, to guard the guys over the catcher in the rye. a very beautiful allegory of the healer. yes, and a very important mission. your mission. that's to prevent belarusians from getting into the batch of other people's games. well this is for the future. there are those who have already been caught, but you can still return the president spoke about this, and you yourself are one of those. now, if the road ran back. and as you can see this road is a road, a road will be mastered, going and there is

always a road. and we are especially taking into account our slavic mentality and taking into account the fact that we are winners ready to accept them, but someone who sincerely repents, and writes a statement in a wrong way, and at this time his whole phone is full of extremist telegram channels. or he says one thing here, but completely different to his relatives or friends. well, of course, uh, the road will not accept such people for this. you yourself are in the commission, you are a member of the commission. yes , some dozens of applications have already been received by the commission, as it was announced, here are the criteria you personally will be guided by. you've already been burned. you have already vouched for shklyarov yes, for some other media people. by the way, can you tell us how they

thanked you? the criteria in the commission should be one law, if then still some 2 years ago 3 years ago two and a half. if to be more precise, if then 2.5 years ago there could have been some concessions, including in order to restore public order, now the criterion should be exclusively one law. and here is the advantage of the commissions, that not someone somewhere in the corners rubs off and looks for acquaintances with members of the commission. no, there is a procedure. there is an algorithm. there is a legal status for everything. therefore, we will act exclusively according to the law and within the law. everything is said about it there and look at the severity of the offense committed, of course, if a person is simply went out for a walk, then he has nothing to be afraid of, but the question is what? what's behind it? did you go through everything? eh, everyone says that it came out, and often

denunciations are hidden with a request to impose sanctions and participate in various extremist plans, which means writing in chat bots. literally even the neighbors. oh, well, that's all, and we just went through, so we need to check in detail. now for the second question. this is my pain. these are all the guarantees, and i, with my help, of course, means the consent of the investigating authorities and the approval of the head of state came out 32 person. uh-huh so in a number of cases, they inflicted such pain on me, which i experienced for a very long time and simply did not believe that there could be such human meanness, arrogance and cynicism. i will give a few examples, they are especially

interesting because some famous people have decided to become my path. i read that the deputy is voronetsky. uh analyst at herman and uh, entrepreneur leader of the union of entrepreneurs of one of the unions. e. shvets decided to vouch for the journalists of one of the extremist publications, how did it end? we know the audience too now they know these journalists have fled and according to the law under the current law, the guarantor is liable in 500 basic units, so each of these citizens. deputy analyst and businessman received 18.5 thousand fines. when i read this, i crossed myself. i think, god be praised, god and never again, so textbook examples

are four people, the infamous four, as i designated them in the book with a hint of one of the headings, tarantino this is a lawyer. vlasova is a lawyer salts jr. is a political scientist shklyarov and this and vinchik animator krivko there you can read how they did to me with the country with everyone who believed them, but we can even give one example of a roar this man who led the headquarters of the babarik. the bowler hat we called him among ourselves , given that he always wore strange headdresses . i didn't just get a man out of jail. i also found money, a lot of money , colossal money, to pay for him,

the damage he caused to the state. here is some of that money. he still hasn't even returned. and at the same time, now, like everyone else, he fled to poland but uh, what can we talk about here? how many now do we know people with you who are even third-party people for us , who can vouch for us and bear financial responsibility, probably a few of those that no one knows us, but now, vouching for a complete stranger . by securing a deposit about the investigating committee. i was faced with the fact that i was still forced to fulfill part of his obligations. therefore, these are all stories with guarantees from tearful petitions from the investigating authorities and the president to trusted these people to me personally. they are tired. i

have reached my limit. if anyone wants, here is the voronetsky deputy, the pussy repeats, but, in my opinion, they burned themselves on the first two entrusted. i don’t want to get burned anymore, i already choked, to be honest, when i read that you wanted to vouch for tikhanovsky from the very beginning, but you just came up with it. if you paid attention to president lukashenka at the last event, he said that i remember that memorandum. and then i really suggested that psikhanovsky be released when i saw, uh his human qualities and, uh, deport or deport to lithuania i knew perfectly well that he would bring such a rustle there. for these resources, i understood perfectly well that his wife, who would be invited around all countries and

let heads of state down, but she would have to go with him. this means that the meetings will all be spoiled, so then i suggested, from the point of view of political technologies, you know , such creativity, which yes, as in quarter 95, after all, they are interesting comparisons professionally work in the media field and actually monopolized influence over the minds of ukrainians. very professional 500.000 people. it's a pity. and so professional. yes, and that's not all. yes, so in terms of creativity here. this would be a very effective solution from my point of view. he would have messed up the cards, but that's out of the question now. let the investigation decide how. to relate to this or that convict as a result and the president, or another difficult, but older topical topic, i can’t help but ask you, we all remember, as if inmates.