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-being of the republic of belarus hello on the air, the program say, do not be silent in the studio victoria popova and tatyana shcherbina and andrey suvinykh is our guest today. good afternoon. andrei vladimirovich good afternoon. hello in turbulent times. we live andrei vladimirovich the ministry of foreign affairs of our country recently issued a statement in belarus is seriously afraid of aggressive actions of the polish leadership. let 's listen, finances extremists, prepares some fighting squads against the belarusian population, carries out active militarization. after all, this is obvious and well-known facts, while the actions of the current government are sometimes fanatical and do not differ in logic and rationality. and therefore, it is not always predictable enough to take at least

the closure of checkpoints at the border to the detriment of their own population and business in the foreign political department, they also recalled that recently the council of ministers. poland accepted solution. they are the fulfillment of the provisions of the treaty on conventional armed forces with respect to our country. in europe, the polish government quite deliberately destroys the last legal pillars of the european, the security system is undermining the whole of europe , the diplomat added. how likely is it that more will decide on some kind of military action against belarus no, if you paid attention, the emphasis was more on anti-belarusian actions of such a terrorist orientation, they finance, uh, certain forces. uh, cooking terrorist groups in their territory. and i am more skeptical about poland's readiness to act against belarus, if only because of the defense policy that

has been formed in the republic of belarus over the past decade. the defense policy of the union state of the union state of russia of belarus, an attack on belarus will mean an attack on russia as well. but nevertheless, we also make a certain effort aimed primarily at preventing any aggressive plans in particular. this is such a measure the creation of a joint uh, military group, which is now operating on the territory of belarus uh, this screw-up has already passed and will be ready to meet any threats, so the likelihood. e some rash actions on the part of poland, it certainly remains. why because the polish leadership today and in principle in a statement. it was also said that it does not implement the interests

of its own country, the non-interests of the national state, but it acts on the agenda of foreign centers of power for ocean centers forces that by and large use poland as a battering ram against. xi is primarily to prevent the formation of a full-fledged macro-region e on our territory on our joint territory. therefore, yes, there is no doubt that there is tension, but this is not a reason to lose one's head or panic. well, what about the increase in the number of military personnel to 300,000, which is almost twice as much as there are now new american military bases appearing in the same place on the territory. poland to announce an increase to 300.000, of course, much more it is more difficult to implement this task, because you need to think about where to get resources

, and today these resources are promised by the united states to great britain. well, whether they will fulfill their promises is a big question, i absolutely agree that the nato grouping along our border is increasing. and i think that it is already known that it has reached, in my opinion, 40,000 people, and it is important to consider that these units have offensive weapons, tanks, heavy artillery and many other armed systems of military systems. eh, nonetheless. we give an answer. and i think, that here is even the announcement of the deployment of tactical nuclear weapons in belarus. this is essentially a measure that completely nullifies any. uh, plans to build up strike forces along our borders. that is, they will no longer be able to perform any combat mission, but security. we must take into account.

it's not a matter of trust. security is a formula. which allows both parties to, uh, have some confidence that they can protect their interests. this is a very important and very serious question. the most dangerous thing in all this is poland's refusal to comply with the treaty on the limitation of conventional arms in europe in fact. they are undermining the foundation of the osce foundation, which, by and large, since the forty -fifth year has ensured peace, and well-being on the european continent. this is a really dangerous step. and if andrei vladimirovich they stop using poland as a battering ram. can we count on the fact that in the shortest possible time we will be able to restore neighborly relations with poland what do you think of the question the shortest possible time is, of course, a

rather complicated question, but if we say so, external forces. they will stop putting pressure on the polish leadership, which, as i said, is not playing in the interests of poland. i think the situation will fundamentally change. e, moreover, most likely this process will be accompanied by a serious financial crisis, in which the whole of europe will find itself. well , in this case, i mean the european union and, in general, all the countries of the collective west, yes position. they'll start looking for solutions and the only right thing to do is to find, uh, sort of a compromise that 's going to have to be made on our side, when i say our side. i mean both belarus and russia, and in general, victor the hell, the minister of defense announced the possibility of deploying not only

tactical, but also strategic nuclear weapons on our territory to the ambassador. we have prepared equipment for this aircraft, which are for him to carry nuclear weapons. we have prepared pilots. we received the most modern iskander complex, which is capable of using missiles with nuclear warheads. literally next week. uh, the training of this unit is nearing completion. we did not hear one more thing that our president said, that we will also need strategic nuclear weapons, and we are already preparing. we have existing sites, but from these words we can only understand that the threat is growing. yes, not quite here it is very clear to listen. uh, the content of these words and this phrase, if necessary. yes, the minister of defense

quite clearly expressed one thought that we are ready to deploy nuclear weapons, well, first of all, tactical ones, which will be fully provided. safe use of storage of this weapon. eh, that's the main question next. he outlined another very interesting point. it is more of a preventative nature. it is just the same aimed at cooling the hot heads on the other side. he says that if it is necessary, quoting the president, then in belarus there may appear and strategic weapon. this is what he says to the intention, er, and the second point. this suggests that we will be able to handle this weapon quite well. that is, it is essentially a warning. we must not forget that nuclear weapons are first and foremost a deterrent and it is thanks to them that we did not have a hot global war. uh, for more than 80

years, the appearance of such weapons in belarus completely excludes any, uh, rash actions against our country on the military track. the emergence of strategic nuclear weapons shows that we are ready to defend their interests to go as far as necessary. well, even china i would like to discuss revised with you. china has its own wartime conscription rules from 1. may the amendment comes into force. and so recruiting should be focused on preparing for war, that is, after all. uh, china is also preparing for some kind of military confrontation. well, we live in a very difficult time of conflict, china is now systematically trying to systematically draw china into an armed conflict around taiwan, this is not necessary, but efforts. as i see it being done really titanic and we must remember one thing is a peacetime

army, one thing peacetime generals are a completely different effective coordinated action of the armed forces, at the moment of a direct military clash, the situation in syria in ukraine, they clearly showed how big the difference can be. eh, you need to be prepared for this. uh, china has no combat experience. it is not enough for them to produce modern weapons to arm the army. it is also necessary to train the army to use this, it is necessary to create mechanisms that will allow in case conflict to build up the size of the army and practice. he says that none of these processes are carried out without problems. that's why china naturally analyzes every detail of everyone in conflicts around the world. e, he tries to take measures in advance to

be fully armed, but this does not mean that he is aggressive all the time preparing the same. yes, it also takes time. this is not a month, not two, and not even a year, of course, china is now in an interesting time situation. uh, economic time works to his advantage. that is simply doing nothing, continuing the course of preserving global peace. china is strengthening its position in the world, and its opponents in this case, the united states of america. well , once again, strangely, the collective west is running out of time because the resources that they have are getting smaller and smaller and therefore a more acute form of conflict. and for china now it is important not to succumb to the provocation , of course, just as, in fact, as it is for us. we are meeting with you in the year of peace and creation. andrey vladimirovich we offer every effort to keep calm and head cool, but the situation is at peace. you are right. it is getting hotter recently in

sudan, and such foci have flared up. apparently, there will be more of these all over the world. yes, we just have time to observe where and when the next time. i think hmm the number of local conflicts. e will e, you can even say on a systematic basis in africa in southeast asia along the perimeter of russian borders. uh, in latin america, uh, the world is really explosive. why is this happening? everything is that a unipolar world a world of hegemony of the united states of america a world of total domination? the countries of the collective west, which in principle was unfair, which was built on the principle of draining resources and periphery countries from developing countries in favor of a very, very small number. uh, the beneficiaries of the western primarily transnational

corporations. this world is collapsing, and it cannot collapse without exposing certain contradictions in the regions and the second point. we must also be quite frank about this. uh, former outgoing hegemon, creates chaos, creates conflicts all over the world, because these conflicts allow him to save at least part of e resources that are at his disposal and allow. uh, leaving the collapse of the global world to make it less painful is the main logic that hides behind all kinds of local conflicts. for what reason do they arise? well, often the united states is satisfied with finding an excuse for it to be oil in some country and, uh, some other energy resources. here, uh, an example, there is venezuela, the longstanding confrontation with the united states , constantly trying to get something from venezuela and just recently a member of the us state department

threatened in venezuela with tougher sanctions if the dialogue of local authorities with non-systemic opposition. uh, stagnation and nicolás maduro responded to this answer. here, let's see. yesterday representative gringo threatened venezuela said if venezuela doesn't make progress in political dialogue with the corrupt traitor sales sector of the unitary platform, they will retaliate and sanction our country. i tell the gringo press secretary get the hell out, formulas italy, emotionally emotionally expressed. well, that is absolutely correct. it seems to me that the statement of the state department. this is even more hysterical. they applied against venezuela almost the entire arsenal of restrictive measures that could be done, in fact. almost the same as against russia. they confiscated more than 20 billion dollars of the gold and foreign exchange reserves of this country , but they created chaos there, and the most curious

thing is that after going through these tests, venezuela just this year at the end of the pro already last year, it is again on the stabilization and economic growth, but there is another interesting aspect , i noticed that in the elections in latin america almost all countries, including mexico , came. uh, left-wing socialists , many of whom are very, very unfriendly to the united states, they remember what the united states did in latin america in the middle of the 20th century, how they destroyed the national liberation movement. uh, the political parties that were focused on the development of these countries, imposing their own hegemony. and now we have some kind of backlash. latin america is pulling together and venezuela

is at the forefront of this process. well, it's interesting that they don't feel these same gringos of this danger that comes from yes of the new system, which, according to you, is being created even in latin america. they could , well, pretend to be at least socialists for a while. such a good expression. that a leopard never loses its spots. this is the first and second point. they i think they are everything perfectly understand from here and arise. here is the tension. they also understand that they have two such really serious global weapons left, and they use it to the fullest extent it is informational. means, that is, a global campaign to defame their opponents and dehumanize their demonizations, in fact, their opponents. and the second is the strength of the dollar, both resources as a global financial currency.

uh, they are destroyed, they lose their potential, but they use them to the fullest. why because that they understand that pretending in this process will not work, the world will go through fundamental changes. and on the air say again, do not be silent. and today our guest is the chairman of the standing committee on international affairs of the house of representatives of the national assembly. andrey savinykh , let's talk about the most burning topic of fore. infers claims that by the end of the year , the west will force zelensky to sit down at the negotiating table, and he will sign an agreement that is beneficial to him due to the west’s unwillingness to support the conflict. do you agree that this the probability of a practical scenario in psychology is as follows. uh, it's called a choice without a choice, right?

well, for example, mom can tell her son when you will do your homework now or in an hour, yes, that is, he can choose only the time, but you should always do homework . here, exactly the same attempt is made to impose a negotiation process, and implicitly. there are several manipulations hidden at once. uh, well, let's take it literally by uh, parts of the agreement on favorable terms for ukraine. yes, what does it mean favorable conditions for ukraine, by and large , russia's position has been voiced. uh, russia's victory may mean the most favorable conditions for preserving both ukrainian statehood and, uh, in general, ukraine as a territory, as a people, but the problem is that if this happens, then russia will not agree with zelensky the second question,

why is the government proposed zelensky is being done? here is the admission. e that it will be preserved, this is an extremely difficult question. uh, will this really happen most likely a and third point. e in this phrase, the zelensky government is presented as an independent, e, subject of international relations, but we all know very well that they are not subjects, and the tool turns out that the resolution of the problem in ukraine is, in fact, negotiations between russia and the countries of the collective west on certain conditions for return peaceful situation is correct , so it turns out that this phrase is entirely designed in order to lead aside and impose e on society, well, by the way, individual experts. a mental picture

that doesn't really match interests of russia and does not correspond to reality. that's all. well, i understand the interests. also not worth it. yes, zelensky's office in my opinion. now the only interest is to cut the western aid that is still coming to ukraine as soon as this process is completed. they will simply run away from this country. that's all. it is primarily responsible for ukraine's interest. completing the military operation as quickly as possible on russia's terms, because i see no other way to resolve this problem and reach agreements between russia and collective west both certain conditions of peaceful coexistence, that is, peaceful transition. and to this multipolar world, which we are talking about more and more today, if you put it this way. uh, this

conflict, yes, the strategy becomes more or less clear, but i agree that it really contains a rational assessment of what all these processes will be. peaks before the end of this year, it is likely that this is a very likely scenario. and i can even say that from a purely military point of view, from the point of view of the situation on the battlefield. eh, russia can complete this operation much faster than the end of this year. another issue is that the settlement includes not only a military aspect, but also a humanitarian economic aspect, and most importantly, a geopolitical one, and it slows down this geopolitical aspect. uh, appeasing and resolving this problem, the rhetoric of the presidents of france macron changed after a trip to china after his visit to china and he made a number of statements,

including that europe should move away from dependence on the united states what means in your opinion? here is such a rebellious european ship , well, frankly speaking, i can note here several such interesting points, indeed the interests of the united states and great britain and the interests of continental europe, they differ, the problem is that continental europe has no subjectivity. they are not quite sovereign and unable to accept. uh, well, independent decisions of their own interests, as it were. eh, strange. it didn't sound western europe would like to enter into some kind of cooperation with china but the united states of america will not allow it. just as western europe was not allowed to continue normal interaction with russia, most likely they will be hostages.

e this geopolitical fault and the process of deindustrialization of europe will continue. this is the task that the macron solves, and in contacts with china it is difficult to say. it is quite possible that he really expresses a certain thesis, which is already on the lips of a very large number of political leaders or political circles in continental europe , and on the other hand, knowing its history, they know, that he belongs. uh, let's say global financial circles is, in fact, their employees and it is likely that he simply serves the interests of french corporations. who would like to move to china to maintain their economic potential and make statements that he thinks are, uh, pogliatti and china as a whole. it simply

provides more favorable conditions for the transfer of france's industry to china or, relatively speaking, to zones that china controls, here's my second option, it seems more likely, but this once again suggests that the collapse of continental europe has gone very far to stop this process is almost impossible. and that already, in general , the highest players that are there are already starting to simply run away from this ship. this is very sad, because i frankly do not say this with joy. i say this with great regret, because europe has really grown up. on the confrontation between the ussr and the usa and managed to create certain middle class cultural educated people. e, managed to create, er, a prosperous society, there, indeed, we

can talk about the development and culture of social certain traditions. now this is all going under the knife but we must see that they are doing it in english. and they do it very cynically and harshly, but they, the bitch, cut down on which they are sitting, it’s not really all about the fact that they understand that if the global world is falling apart, then they will have to leave. uh, to control a single macro-region to ensure control of the whole world, they no longer have it turns out. and this means that you need to pull out resources from your periphery, which they still control e at their disposal. they wanted to do it with russia , but it didn't work out, by the way, primarily due to the fact that both the russian economy and the russian statehood put forward this year, which we lived through. hmm, just actually.

yes, not an easy year, uh, great trials, but as a result they turned to cannibalism. they are now eating up the resources of those territories that they can reach, what they control it. in order to save enough resources to start creating their own macro-region. well, on its own . this is the structure of the eu. the european union, it will remain, or do you still think that now they will one by one, at least leave this association. you see, this is a rather complicated question, and it seems to have two levels of answer, if you mean, de jura it may well be preserved, but de facto , in the content in which it was conceived and in which it acted at the time of its expansion, that is, 10-15 years ago. of course, it will not exist, most likely, it seems like a serious crisis

, will some countries come out of it or not. this is unknown, but i can say that they will have to reorganize very seriously within this european union. and now, it seems to me, sometimes that such a pei of reassembly will be the territory of northern italy, southern germany , austria, hungary, that is , it will be reborn from here. this europe is weakened, having gone through a serious economic crisis through very large the volume of social upheavals, but other scenarios, and, frankly, for them, i do not see. we remember the provocation of the ukrainian delegation. during your speech at a meeting of the parliamentary region in february , andrei vladimirovich did not worry about you , let us remind the audience how it was literally a fragment of belarus, they also remember well the massive bombing of nato air forces,

but the peaceful sevsk cities. i don't know how else you can, which works according to the principle here remember. i don't remember here. i'm sure such memory will not help the settlement to think about, which the chairman of the national council proposes. wolfgang of austria on saturday, amazing endurance then noted andrei vladimirovich not one muscle did not flinch. well, it's common practice. that is, if we have something to say, we must say it without being distracted by details. here are the sites. of course, they fell a lot in our eyes, because what is happening there, uh, the circus stopped talking to anyone at all. no, you understand one very important trend. in my opinion. e we we often say that it is not working in a crisis, the way we wanted it, the thing is that there are so many international ones. ah,

institutions of organization. they created completely different conditions. it was a bipolar world, and then they ensured the interests of the two superpowers of the ussr and the usa, and within their framework we achieved a lot of good results, which, on the whole, were directed in the interests of the development of mankind. uh, but the framework still existed now, when we see the collapse of globalization, these uh, institutions just simply stop working, because that they were created in other conditions, and they are now falling victim to conflicts. uh, member states, if member states can't agree, how can institutions work. let's even take the regional example of the osce, it is an organization that was created around a treaty

on arms control in europe, if poland is now withdrawing from this treaty, if its main key provisions are not being implemented, if the main principle is violated, one cannot ensure one's own security at the expense of the security of a neighbor . how can act obse? well hello actual fiction. at the same time, they do not dissolve all these structures. they continue to work. this is a reflection of another different logic. the thing is that history never puts an end to it , there is always a continuation. uh, the period of conflict will always e end with the need to negotiate. strictly speaking , this was the initiative of the president of belarus to hold an international conference, when the leading states should sit down at the table and agree on new principles, uh,

of the world order of an already multipolar world devices. this initiative was ahead of its time, well, by five to seven years, because today we are going through a period, just the same, tearing apart a period of conflict, that is, the parties are now trying to find their zones of influence, measure their potentials, and only then the time will come. therefore, there is no point in negotiating to destroy these organizations. it makes sense to continue to work in them to convey your position, since they will eventually become the basis, within which new agreements will be reached. here you say world is being rebuilt. what kind of world are we building? this is very interesting. uh, i would say even a matter of principle, because we declare very often. we are in favor of a multipolar world, but we talk little about what this means, and how does this affect the economy? how does this affect security issues? yes, all these issues need

to be discussed in detail, because if we do not understand this, then, well, honestly, in any case, we will not know. what is their government doing? and that and that's probably not great. uh multipolar world, i see how the world e macro-regional macro-regions are political military economic unions of sovereign states that unite with each other in order to create their own market, ensure a unified defense policy, and by and large, in order to get through this difficult period and preserve their own that such macro-regions are considered in the world. not so much. well, let 's keep our fingers crossed, yes, without a doubt, there is a chance china has a chance india russia the united states of america and the united

states of america there, uh, in a fight came together immediately the two social, uh, forces are the cluster of multinational financial corporations, uh, that now control the uh government of the united states of america, neither the government controls the cluster. and cool. yes, that is, these are the representatives of the real sector who would like to return. uh, the former industrial power of the united states of america is two mutually exclusive projects . great britain is making great efforts to survive at least as some kind of macro-region, uh, trying to ensure its influence. and in the middle east somewhere in india somewhere, by the way, in central europe it is quite possible that the eu , which will receive a blow from the anglo-saxon world, will become a zone of influence of great britain but these are scenarios that

we can consider as a possibility, and in latin america there is someone brazil is now trying to use before only brix, as an instrument of consolidation, latin america has a chance to form its own macro-region, but they clearly do not have enough resources, they have too little unity, and they have no military potential. here is your question, by the way, fails you know what an interesting thesis? and what qualities should a macro-region have in order to take place, the thing is that now everyone who tries to create it immediately implements two strategies. one strategy is aimed at consolidating the space that is available to him, and the strategy is aimed at breaking through the possibility of other players to create their own macro-regions. from here, it turns out, look, the united states of america is implementing plans for, uh, to create an aukus. yes, they

are being pumped up at the same time, uh, the conflict over taiwan for china, for india, it is relations with pakistan and the situation around kashmir. so we can continue this list. eh, it turns out that each macro-region should be. uh, a union of states that include at least, well 200 300 400 million industrial population. this is a single market. e, at the same time , the parameters of military security, resource security must be maintained. we must have enough resources to ensure the development of our economy, a certain level of development of human capital, the education system and the scientific school. why because without e-e of its independent scientific school, the macro-region will not be able to develop and, finally, technological security, we must create all critically important technologies. uh, at home

. this also applies to microelectronics and computer technology and road-building equipment from tank building and many, many other things. that is, those macro-regions or those countries that are able to rally a sufficient number of countries around themselves and provide these parameters. er, they will emerge as new players in the international arena. and by the way, they will sit at the negotiating table. uh, within the framework of that conference, about which i spoke the president of belarus, the potential will happen , anytime, but andrey vladimirovich i am for the first time in your company with well, some positive, or something, i looked at the year that we experienced, but this and bad. yes, what is happening is that people are dying, but it was also such a test for the capacities of the region, so to speak, yes, about which you are talking about no doubt. we have passed a very

important critical year, in fact. russia is now fighting in ukraine for the right to us everyone to create their own macromion. and we need to understand this. the second point is that you are sts, er, in fact. we already, russia and belarus, we did not allow , uh, to be robbed, the second time we, in fact, said no, and we are the first to break out of that globalization and that global system that is collapsing. this means that the destruction of the system will already hit us much less than the nu countries. an effective west than even in china, by the way, and india. and this macro-region, which is being built by russia it is clear that we will also be present in it. who else comes first. let's talk about belarus it because the status of belarus is uh

more important to us right. i think that we have a chance not just to enter the macro-region, but to enter the core of the future macro-region. this is extremely important, because this is the integration that is being laid both within the framework of 28 allied programs and within the framework of defense policy. these are the standards that will then be open to other countries to join, but each newcomer will probably have worse. the original club let there be no bad conditions, but nevertheless it is the first one that can enter, but without any doubt, these are the countries of, uh, the former ussr are traditional partners with which we have a high degree of connection. there is a logistical connection and there is a certain idea of ​​the values ​​of common values. well, then continue. well, i can probably already safely name

iran among these countries, which is now very quickly accelerating the processes of integration with russia and belarus and potentially becoming part of this new macro-region. we do not say that it will be one country. it will be a single space that will function under the same laws on the basis of the same principles and values, i admit. further, more complex assumptions begin , which are related to the dynamics of the development of the situation around the world, it may turn out here, turkey may turn out to be the balkans well , by and large, a decent part of central europe about macroregions. we will continue the conversation. uh, in the next part of our program while we take a short break. after that, we will return to this studio again, while subscribe to our telegram channel is called say don't be silent. leave your

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a breakthrough management man who left the road to live in a narrow place to be free to control. do you see these emotions in this partizan or cinema? live on the memorial complexes of belarus documentary cycle the memory of my land on the tv channel belarus 204 on the air again say silence, and we have a guest and deputy of the house of representatives andrey savinykh andrey vladimirovich macro-regions. you say there will be several such regions. there maybe three maybe five maybe

six even, but inevitably, uh, such a situation may arise that someone wants to dominate to break out, forward, how then to achieve peace in such a situation, balance, how to keep you running ahead, because we still need to form logically. yes, this process will be carried out along several lines at once. first, a macro-region will be formed. and as you rightly said, five or six will still exist. at first, regional powers that will pursue a joint policy and balance between macro-regions. but in ultimately, any mathematician will tell you that e is best stable. the system that has three points of support is not four conventionally, but three uh, this will mean that if one leader appears in the world, then, uh, let's say, two

other leaders, two other players, will be. it is natural to combine with each other to balance. and its possibilities. this is called the balance of power. by the way, i would like to draw your attention to what russia's new foreign policy doctrine, er, this one, the principle of the balance of power, er, does. uh, probably one of the main e for the future for development international relations from the point of view of russia , i think it is no coincidence that it means that even if there are 5-6 macro-regions, i suspect that everything will come down to two. more precisely, to three alliances, of which two will balance, uh, any leader who will try to get ahead in a paradoxical way. this system can be very stable; it will be, uh, a balance of power. ah, the balance of common sense. it

will be a kind of repetition of this quite prosperous period. uh, the existence of two, superpowers. each macro-region will choose your own economic model, this is the next very difficult question. uh, the point is that it is obvious that the multinational corporation cluster will try to implement models of inclusive capitalism. it will be a kind of feudalism. there is no territory, well, a certain territory in the world. e. i think in our situation. we will most likely implement. the welfare state model is a mixed economy, where large state corporations will be responsible for development, and, uh, public services will be entrusted to small ones. private enterprises, that is, this kind of multi-structural economy will be allowed to combine, uh, the benefits of a market

system. with scheduling capabilities. uh, maybe, uh, we have, without a doubt, socialism with chinese characteristics. yes , we have a caste society and a market economy in india. i think there will be three or four models that will begin to compete with each other and this will undoubtedly give good impetus for development. why because the world is diverse? uh, model rivalry ends up allows you to find the best way for the development of all mankind. this is where we have to go beyond the framework of the system as a whole. yeah, andrey, why now? what's stopping us? well, uh, well, as if uniting with china will never happen in one macro-region. well, i frankly, uh, do not believe in these associations, because the logic of the formation of macro-regions. e, says

what will be let's say 5-6. such are the centers. yes , why should we unite with china, which itself can be quite large, if we have the opportunity to create our own macro-region right? uh, second question. does china need it? this is also a point that requires more serious study. i'm talking here, so far very carefully. why because for the next five, maybe even more years , china will no doubt be our strategic ally, because the collapse of globalization and the transition to a much polar world also meets its interests, including, but unification into a single macro-region. i don't think it will happen. but there will be no conflict in the world , a statement is often heard that the whole world the whole world supports the united states against russia and supports the united states at the same time, ghana does not think so. here is the speaker of the parliament of ghana albanbek. ben explained the camoliharis, uh

, to the vice president of the us what is democracy in response to her criticism of the anti-gbt law they will ask questions, like these presidents did yesterday? well, actually, it's not all. yes , it turns out that they support the fact that the whole world supports the united states, this is a great lie that is

absolutely untrue. uh, as a matter of fact, uh, economist magazine recently analyzed. uh, this alignment of forces, they came to the conclusion that the united states. well, or rather the course. uh, the west supports a maximum of 50 55 states. these are basically either the countries of the collective west themselves or countries that are completely and completely financially dependent on them and cannot demonstrate, e, an independent foreign policy and that's it. these are all other countries. well 12. uh, now uh, they actively oppose this course, and all the other countries are over 125 somewhere. that's about it, they all, uh, well, secretly wish success from russia and china, but they are afraid to take a more proactive policy, but they refuse to condemn, they

make statements like this, which, in principle, will not be dry for another 10-15 years. where is ghana and where is the united states of america, yes, however, this is a process that shows how critical it is. uh, the total majority of humanity also relate to the globalization that was created by the united states and america and , even more so, to the process of destruction that is happening now, they all, uh, are slowly starting to block around brix around osian, another question. what they are doing so far cautiously, but as the global world is destroyed, their position will , uh, parentalize and sound more and more, and this is a process that the united states is very worried about. that is why they are implementing these information campaigns to convince themselves and everyone around them that

the whole world, supposedly they are supported by another question, what they are trying to keep in a certain field of ignorance of the population of their countries. they need an obedient population , a population that will not rebel . uh go to demonstrations, that's why they create this illusion that they are winning, especially since they have e reasons for fear. look at what's happening in france look at the mass strikes. e great britain in holland in greece everywhere literally in all countries. and these are just the flowers of the berry ahead, yes , andrey vladimirovich, this is true, because 3 years ago, when we met in this studio for the first time, it seemed to us that you were talking about some kind of helmets, yes, that's all. very far future. and today, when this face is so oiled, we are pleased to see you again

once to listen and when we invited you, we said, let andrei vladimirovich come and tell us how we will live on, which , in fact, you have done satisfied our curiosity, great to you. thank you. for today's conversation thanks for the conversation. and we tatyana shcherbina victoria popova say goodbye to you today. goodbye. goodbye. and now andrei savinykh is speaking. we live in a very difficult historical time. this time is fast, if earlier the events that are now taking place in a year required decades, we constantly see how the historical process is accelerating and changes are beginning to grow like an avalanche. i think that is why in his message the president of belarus outlined that never before has a threat to the sovereignty, then the independence of the republic of belarus been so obvious, and he also outlined the

key conditions that will allow us to successfully pass this period. this is the unity of our society. this is an efficient economy. this is the memory of their values ​​and their traditions and much more. i would like to to say that these are all those qualities, all those parameters that the belarusian society will certainly need to ensure its chance for a brighter future. where others see problems, they look for

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