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Understanding 9/11tv [untitled] BELARUSTV May 30, 2023 3:25pm-4:21pm MSK
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an important thing that excites all our viewers is why vvsh 1200 is the very nuclear reactor that we have installed is considered the safest in the world. well, we have two such reactors. yes, he already has 2 power units. uh, it's really a 2006 ios project reactor and uh. so generation three plus plus. yes, that is, it has an increased security system, let's say in simple terms, e, it has e european union certification, which means, in my opinion, since 2007. uh, if we talk about in general, then its design and uh, its work all systems. she, uh, means, uh, does not allow an exit even in case. eh, god forbid, let's knock on wood. yes, e incidents do not allow radiation to escape from the sealed envelope, which is inside here and it has previously active and passive
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safety systems, a passive safety system will work. even when all electricity goes out. and how much is the reserve time, so they will work so much. how much is needed to shut down a reactor drowned out primarily by a large amount of water. with means high boron content of boric acid. it means that , in fact, and having bent the reactor, moreover, uh, it means that the design provides for a melt trap, that is, uh, everything that is contained in the reactor core. here in this, god forbid , a bad situation. it, uh, means that everything will fall into the trap of the melt and will not go anywhere. on the website, we watched a video that rosatom was preparing for the form, and there is an expo about this reactor. let's be curious.
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, as a matter of fact, alexey pavlovich, you yourself basically called it this water, yes, which will slow down the reactor and the trap, which is very impressive. many people say that if a power plant explodes this earth, we will burn through it hot there everything is provided here here, as we found out in our nuclear pressure cooker everything is provided, but what impressed me more was that we read a lot of critical remarks about what they dropped there when installing and so on and so forth. well, as it were, when you study this kolos, yes, what it consists of, then we or just that it can withstand and the plane can fall on it and the most powerful hurricanes, which are not even expected on the territory of our country. well, that is, to dramatize the story, only our opponents and those inside can
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in what it consists of correctly, and you personally , when you are present in this, watching this, what is most impressive about you in this construction, you know , but, firstly, i am impressed by its engineering, let's say , perfection, so, uh, uh , massiveness. yes, now, of course, it is everything is not visible, because now everything is hidden, it is located. e under e, the corresponding layers of e, concrete, and in general there, so to speak, access directly to the reactor is impossible, because today it is a controlled access zone. there is generally radiation today. and i do not provide for the presence of people there, yes, it means only during the period. when scheduled preventive repairs are carried out, they must be carried out annually with the replacement of part of the fuel, only then is disclosed. this is the holy of holies and they can go there for a limited time with
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control, so, uh doses come in, uh, the staff, as it were, maybe for the audience it will also be interesting when i read about it. uh alloy learned that it is like a precious metal. yes, that is, titanium, from which it is made. actually the reactor itself. it equates to precious metal. so he withstands such tests, all sorts of different and on each ring, each master. there is very unique in its kind, on which it can cook it, he leaves his surnames. well, i mean, it really is. that is, even the person who cooks it, he carries some, already personally responsible. well, in order to be admitted to welding, uh, enough. uh, well, strict control to pass, yes, and there are very high classes. well, let's add that these sleepy structures that hold him back, they are also there with some dashes of demand that are protected, which, in general, this tension is controlled there, that is, there is quite such a serious structure, let's call all this
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work, that this is a complex titanic jewelry work. yes, it is very complex, very scrupulous. uh, that means and uh, here, uh, on really impressive scale. eh, there's every power unit. this is about five thousand assemblies and assemblies of five thousand, and all of them must be controlled and checked for work. here in these harmonious and very difficult conditions. that is, even you are experts in this field, the scale is impressive. well, of course, then already say, and in ordinary people, ordinary viewers. well , if a little bit we will plunge into history. here, the chernobyl accident she ah, spoiled, didn’t even spoil her reputation a little well channel reactors, and the principle of operation of vvr is more complicated than in rbmk. first, i would like to point out that uh then uh, in general,
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the human factor played its role, uh, and on the one hand. e. hmm, we can say that the design was not quite perfect, but even with this design, thank god, eh, other reactors that were built according to the same projects. they are still operating , in particular, in smolensk. yes, at the smolensk station there. there are also reactors of this rbc . the main difference is what i would call, firstly, this is a two-circuit system. here is our reactor there, uh, radioactive primary coolants. yes, it functions inside the containment. yes, it circulates there, but for e, the turbine is supplied with steam from the second circuit. that is, it is not radioactive. and in our country, uh, radioactive steam is not supplied to the turbine. ah, in the channel reactor there is one circuit, and there is radioactive steam, it is fed, er, to
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the turbine, which, respectively, increases certain risks. yes, and er, it means it reduces it. uh, hmm work resource. well, and the most important thing with us, you saw this is how you called a pressure cooker? yes, and there is graphite masonry, in which these channels are made just the same; graphite is combustible in itself and, uh , it means that if something, god forbid , happens, then it burns plus. eh, our system provides for it in the event that, nevertheless, the coolant of the primary circuit. and that means he leaves, yes, and here, uh, cooling does not occur. in our country, the reaction dies out as it is envisaged, but there it is the other way around, so, uh, it developed in our pressure cooker , i’ll add it. here it is which comes from the pipes from the steam it is, so to speak, not harmful emissions of any kind. and these pipes here are cooler, yes, and they really uh cool. eh, here.
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uh, how people are developing the city, we will talk about it at a frantic pace. well, here's the couple. he certainly thought harmful. i also have the chernobyl syndrome. but it turns out that it is completely timeless - it is water, but rather security. i was interested to hear the opinion of a physicist. he is sensitive to levka , he is more than 90 years old, and he has been engaged in reactors. let's listen to him. we cannot immediately learn everything bit by bit, we are moving forward. further and further knowledge of the world is absolutely safe. uh, you can't create a reactor. well, you will say that the security systems that are in the project are available. uh, uh, ios 2006, uh generation 3+, they allow uh to say with great confidence that our nuclear power plant is
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safe, once again i repeat the operation of all equipment systems. and most importantly , the personnel that we have, it is just the same aimed at preventing none. uh, means backlash on that lovely note. let's pause to remind, we have a telegram channel. say don't be silent. subscribe ask questions and suggest guests we are in touch. on air say again, don't be silent as our guest aleksey dern, director of the department of nuclear energy of the ministry of energy of belarus alexey pavlovich is it true that today the belarusian npp diversifies only one third of the electricity production in our country? basically two working power unit should provide about forty percent of all electricity in the country, and i must say, so, if
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earlier more than 90% of electricity, in our country, was generated by burning e hydrocarbons, then with two power units of rated capacity operating. it will be just over 60%. that is, it really is. well, this is necessary in order to maintain, e, a balance of various e genera. the following sources in the country's energy system, minister of energy viktor koronkevich , were recently on the main air program. actually speaking, and commented on the potential of our nuclear power plant. let's listen to the energy potential of the energy system , taking into account the commissioning of two power units at the belarusian nuclear power plant, it is increasing, that is, in the medium term , all the country's needs for increasing electricity consumption will be satisfied in this way. uh, just the nuclear
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power plant and the belarusian energy system in general, it is aimed at a faster pace to meet the growing demand in the medium term. if i'm right understood the minister, then it will be enough for our century. yes , and our growing needs have already been taken into account, when we were building white, we understood that we were all switching to electric cars. we already have nuclear medicine, are we waving or not? you are like the head of the department. what can you say, well , then we really took into account? uh, rising energy consumption. it was laid down in prose, which means, uh, and indeed the development of electric transport is one of those areas that will contribute to its growth. plus. uh, let's not forget that today, uh, many households, especially private households. they choose electricity as their source of heating. it becomes more convenient somewhere
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more profitable from some points of view. and therefore, well, this is a plus. we hope and expect the development of new energy-intensive industries, which will be large consumers of 2% per year. we came this much or little according to our needs for electricity. i think it's a normal good track like that. and this trend should continue. well, increase. naturally, the country has adopted excellent incentives to switch to electricity. and demand will grow is it either suitable tariffs compensation for capital costs for transfer or a new house where electricity is the main source of heat, especially since it is chosen today from the country by ardent opponents of our station and the development of peaceful atom what these were at the stage when we were preparing to make a decision about the construction of a nuclear power plant, especially from the west, now we are going, as far as it was verified and a thoughtful decision. now those are our critics. now convulsively, e get e from dusty cabinets e of the project of nuclear power plants. well
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and, of course, it's not easy. uh, a nuclear power plant or the development of nuclear energy in belarus - it's not just a question of generation. e electricity. this is a whole block of technologies and related areas that are pulling along precisely. well, the construction of a nuclear power plant , we are talking about projects related to composites , 3d printing and energy storage are paramount and nuclear medicine. the head of the roses of the atom is sure that with the beginning of the work of the belos, everything will be in full, it will only begin. after all, there are many plans, and sanctions are not a hindrance here, and in the future in the future, we plan to partially sell nuclear fuel. i will tell the whole complex. why can't we sell nuclear fuel, well, in terms of international obligations. eh? uh, there is international control over those who produce and sell nuclear fuel, and this is all a fairly regulated area, it is monitored by magathei and others. uh, it means structure. and this is from one point
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of view on the other hand. most importantly, we do not produce nuclear fuel. in fact , there are very few manufacturers in the world. this very uh, high-tech and labor-intensive process, because you need uranium ore already mined. with it, you need to carry out a number of manipulations of the technological process, and enrichment, and so on and so forth , and therefore, there is, for example, the russian company twell, which is part of rusatom, yes, which successfully does this, but no other company in russia doesn't do it anymore. e abroad. uh, the largest players in france are then there are japanese-american companies, angau with chinese here. well, that is, it's actually not like that. a lot of it yes, yes, we are in russia, of course, we buy. we have a russian project there. we buy fuel. they are our reliable partners there. you have already called
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this iaea several times, so i can’t afford to digress a little from our main conversation and ask you what do you think about zaporozhye. is watching. but as it were, as we can see, the russians are not satisfied with the results of these observations. that is, in this matter, because there is a lot of politics. well, definitely there is a lot of politics here, and this one is unscrupulous. i would say politicians, yes and uh, very dangerous actions from the outside. eh, ukrainian. yes, uh, there are some very important security issues mixed in here. yes , indeed, because, well, this is very important. uh, means to ensure safety in my opinion. i don't know if you agree with me or not, but it doesn't work. today magadaev is in the volume and competence in the one that should work. well, you know, i would not want to and
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cannot criticize a large number of authoritative international organization, but er security facts. how are you? how can there be any double readings here? i don't understand, this is the security of the entire region, really. why is this issue not being resolved? well, unfortunately, yes, at this level he does not find his resolution. unfortunately, well , this is probably the question in the sequel. rather, the topic is that today international organizations have lost their power, so to speak, yes they give in to political challenges and cannot limited in this regard turned out to be in fact , in fact, terribly. this experts say that apart from strengthening. to our ethical economic security, by launching nuclear power plants we are making a huge contribution to environmental protection, which is an unexpected position for me, but for me this will reduce greenhouse gas emissions by more than 7 million tons per year, how do you
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feel about this, it really is, uh, because today already. in general, almost not quite to the end, but e nuclear energy is classified as green, because after all, we ourselves are well aware that if carbon hydrocarbons are burned at a thermal plant, then, uh, emissions occur, respectively, there are co2 and some other ones, and i understand that this is not very cool throwing out, that is, even explaining nothing to anyone no need. although, a filter element is installed everywhere. we make sure that it is safe enough. but still, willy-nilly. e co2 as a product of combustion, it will always be released, yes, then, well, in its pure form during the work of e-e nuclear power plants do not. and why , then, was there so much loin like uh, they say from
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high tribunes about these nuclear power plants? i want to say that the result of sociological research. here we have the academies of sciences. yes, they say that, uh, means more than half of the people, they support. uh, the idea of developing nuclear energy and building our station was supported. that is, we have, in general, a positive trend. in general, the population is in the majority, but uh, well, i think our station is safe enough and this however, the head of rosatov, commenting on all the stations that this company built , the corporation said that belorusskaya and i were just pleased. yes, yes, alexey evgenievich on the 19th, just yes, he voiced this during a conversation with journalists at belorusskaya but what if we now look at the belarusian plant as a nuclear facility, then i responsibly declare to you that not from the point of view of safety, inefficiency, as
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there is nothing similar in europe for investments in personnel training. this is the most advanced in every sense of the word status less part of the population that still does not believe. uh, the fact that our station is the safest, but on the other hand, it forces, well, you power engineers of those who work at the station who are working on developments. who is involved in this process to stand in such a twine all the time. well, split, we're not standing, it's inconvenient. uh. you know, of course , well, you have to explain to people, but you know, as a rule, the vast majority, when they find out how it works, about what, when they are told about the device reactor about those safety systems that are provided then, well, uh, the skeptic is getting smaller. yeah. that's good. and a, where in belarus a repository for radioactive waste can be located, so, uh, we recently completely created a national
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operator for handling radioactive waste. this is a special organization. the globe of the state adopted a decision on the organization of a radioactive waste management system. and today this national operator will act as a customer for all spectra survey projects and all other subsequent types of work on the search for the choice of a site for e, means the construction of a point. storage of radioactive waste i want to note that today the site has not been selected and there is a whole algorithm. it is spelled out in the legislation e the choice of the site, which involves. e, the presence of conditions for its placement, which must be observed ; the presence of a commission that will directly deal with the choice of holding. including all necessary procedures related to public hearings. yes. that is it will also be carried out with e-citizens. and such work in part. er, here are the placements and
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several alternatives will have to be selected. eventually. uh, so a decision will be made where it will be placed on the territory of belarus. the fact is that, uh, all countries, they store radioactive waste in their spent nuclear fuel. it can be reused in various technological ways, and processing, and radio waste, they are subject to e-e burial after bringing them to the proper state for this, you said, that the location has not yet been chosen. this will be one place. and there is already some list of these places. now, probably, yes, it is necessary to carry out. uh, serious geological research there and everything else there is connected with hydrology, that is, well, a whole set of different studies that can say that here here here here here. uh, these sites can be chosen. uh-huh in principle,
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in february of this year, we approved a strategy for the management of radioactive waste by a resolution ourselves. well, there are certain aspects, they are settled. and well, potentially, of course, various sites can be considered, including those that today, uh, have remained infected after the hell. i understand correctly that this issue is the most complex, unresolved in general in the whole world, that with this waste these are the main things. what to do with any such waste is theirs. reducing their volume, yes, that is , contacting in some way. yes, bringing to a state. e for suitable for their further storage or disposal in accordance with the regulations that for they are provided because, well, there are different types of waste there are high activity medium, low activity the biggest question is how to pack it. well, that's basically one of the questions. yes. uh, how to pack it? how to do it compactly safely. for this, appropriate technologies are being developed now. i think that we
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will apply the most modern solutions later, when how soon we have determined everything, then, uh, look, we have, in principle, definitely by the thirtieth year. the first phase should be built points already soon. for some reason, we just clarify, because, well, you understand that as soon as this information is announced and widely announced, then a war will begin again among our opponents. it's strange, because that's all the information it contains in this strategy, which i say again, was adopted in february. before. this guest there oversight conducted our mean public hearing on it. that is, this is not a secret with some limited distribution - this is open information, which could be viewed. alright , let's see how things unfold. and what other ways of generating energy are there in the nuclear program of belarus, for example, do we plan to use small modular reactors? or it's not necessary, so, uh,
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in regards to using small modular reacts. yes, i must say that there is an interesting point here. the republic of belarus , which was part of the large soviet union , was just the same place where ours was the first modular reactor to appear in general. e, academy of sciences, but at that moment, e was developing e, which means the world project and so on. here it was. movable small modular reactor it was created the first in the world. eh, actually, this is quite an interesting topic. today there is a lot of talk about how these small modular reactors can replace aging ones. uh, that means, uh, thermal power plants somewhere, where they need to be brought out. and as a rule, they have a capacity somewhere around 300 mw. yes, here we have 1.200 there 300 here for understanding. but uh, the most basic expediency of using them. it increases in the area where it is difficult submit. uh, in a different way through electricity networks. but, for example, e. there are, uh
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, floating in the russian federation, which means there is a nuclear power plant, yes. so, as far as i know, it is worth it. now she is in a pevek. oh well, do you understand what kind of regions these are and how difficult it is to supply electricity there? yes, but at the same time there is enough extractive industry. she works in need and all that in situations like this. when, uh, it is difficult to supply electricity somewhere, when there are no networks, then, uh, here is the small modular reactor, it is very relevant. at we are well developed. eh, great. even developed. in general, the network aleksey pavlovich well then, i will rephrase svetlana’s question do we need a second nuclear power plant to cover not 40% of our needs, but 80% of our needs , appropriate studies of this issue are being carried out, and i think that, well, some kind of solutions. well, in my opinion. uh, we need
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to develop this particular type of nuclear power plant in the future, and it seems to me that today there is no alternative to him, alexei pavlovich, this topic is not the only thing that worries you. we we know that today many countries are reviewing their attitudes towards germany and switzerland and belgium. now rosatom is working in many countries. and yes, türkiye. both india and egypt well, 32 countries currently have nuclear power plants and more than 30 declare their intention to build them. it seems to me that reliability and stability as a generating source. this is what it is, because, uh, nuclear fuel is usually purchased under long-term contracts, as a rule, yes, and its life cycle. he. well it's there a year or a year and a half, yes, some part, that is, uh, its replacement takes place in such a
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planned manner. as for hydrocarbons, what are they? well, you understand how they are spent, something like the gas stove at home is burning. yes, well, only in a different, if in a different, maybe scale. so in general, well, these are completely completely different markets and other volatilities and all that. but uh hobby uh, that means uh another alternative energy. yes, it means, uh, it ’s like there are wind farms, there are solar power plants, there, and so on and so forth. like they show their vulnerability as the climate weather changes plus a lot of restrictions then as it turns out. it is not so cheap electricity, alternative. yes, sources of energy, we will discuss after a pause. in the meantime, let's snuggle our telegram channel for a while. say don't be silent. subscribe suggest us guests and ask questions. we are in touch. and our
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guest is aleksein, director of the department for nuclear energy of the ministry of energy of the republic of belarus. alexey pavlovich well, we have already talked a little about alternative energy sources, do we understand you correctly that green energy in our latitudes is a useless thing. well, not completely useless. here you need to always study all the factors. yes, if, uh, first of all, we are talking about, uh, some remote places, yes, which are difficult to bring the power grid, yes, and we do not use it so often, then there, uh, it will naturally be cheaper to use there, for example, solar panels, there or something else, but
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