[000:00:00;00] a logical situation, if vučić, in order not to be ambivalent, but in the eyes of his own people and in the eyes of russia moscow , if he officially turns to russia for help, russia certainly goes not just for military-technical cooperation with the fraternal serbian people, but russia will not just sponsor as it sponsors, what a military star football club our gazprom russia will help the brothers also the belarusians, the union state. i am glad to welcome in our studio there are already native gevordians on skype political scientist in astakov genuinely glad to see you. here in the nineties , many serbs without much persuasion. we went to defend our brothers on the territory of croatia , bosnia and kosovo, and they say that now the mood in serbia is different. how fashionable to say we live in a post-heroic era, when few people are willing to take risks for the sake of lofty goals. here's how you

communicate with your serbian colleagues to assess the mood in serbian society. are they ready, as then in the nineties, to drop everything and go to defend other cities, kosovo or the same candle? let's hello. let's admit that no one politicians and society in different countries do not want to leave the comfort zone that is collapsing before our eyes, that is, despite the fact that all this comfort is collapsing, it’s all the same. the second reason for all wars one way or another and all the troubles on earth was flying. and the same thing. we see that serbian and, to be more precise, kosovo. this incident, and the tension in

the south caucasus, some problems, serious information and attempts to provoke an attack on iran and so on testify that the planners are in the military general staff. and she is engaged precisely in inflicting indirect injections in order to stretch the attention of those countries that want to form a new world and new non-russian devices. this also applies to russia and china. and of course, my beloved belarus of all, as such, therefore, and in any case, and it is clear that it is still unknown and incomprehensible to the end. and the strategy that we can oppose to this, because the west has a strategy. and this strategy maintaining and strengthening and developing its

dominance in a new stage of hospitalism. much has been said about this, serbia does not have sufficient potential to resist, and even about the strategic situation, how would it be, but the fact that society has changed. yes, it's a certain amount of fatigue. this is a post-traumatic factor, what you ask about by and large , in order to remove this post-traumatic factor, some victories are needed. this is absolutely obvious. dragon, i want you to comment on the words of ms. karine and naturally. we see that the opinion in our studio is divided. what is your personal position in relation to mr. vučić and his behavior rather than tactics, if it really is, because here vadim borovik believes

that he is a hostage of the current situation. but vladimir maksimovich that he is such an avivalent leader and suffers from his indecision rather. yes, and karelia said very well, i can agree on one thing, how partially it is in a difficult situation in the street, but there are several questions, firstly, he himself came into this situation, because he signed the so-called brussels agreement, where he assumed obligations. ah, which he did but the other side didn't. we all understand that any contract. whatever it is, if it is not performed on one side, then the other side is not obliged to perform it here, it turns out that the furniture remembered and everything was under pressure from brussels, but that side did not do anything. they now demand to fulfill what is better taken upon themselves, as if without that person. so wait you're nothing they didn't, but it seems to me that this is, well, this is wrong, in general, an assessment, as it were,

of the political situation. this is the first. second, i would not ask your questions. let's say, well , a mushroom, if we assume, the situation is like this, but he takes such a position better than and if e, the murder of our people begins there. here are 52 people were injured. and four of them were badly damaged. here's how we should act in a situation where the execution of these people of ours begins. and then what should we do? we have to wait until they have them all there. will destroy. why then does the government exist? why does the army exist , and so on, or should the people themselves stand up and go there to defend their own people, you understand, that is, ah, that is, this is politics. it is not held now to answer your question. um, listen to the first thing i say about this or that politician being in a vulnerable position. i do not relieve him of responsibility. this is the very difference between lukashenka , who then flew to serbia alone against the tide. and he was not afraid not to turn the planes

around, but flew in, the second concerning. this means that i explain the situation once again, the americans openly say that their advantage is the main one, that for the first 150 years they have not been at war, and even at their borders they are not at war on their territory and at their borders. at the same time, this is the most warring country, 10% of its entire history do not fight and they deliberately expiring military conflicts in europe, as friedman said , they have already recovered from scratch twice after two world wars and got up from their knees. they got control of the atlantic polyand. lisa in the uk got control. they got western europe under control in germany now central and eastern and i explain the situation to you everything is done on emotions, of course, e kill, of course, a tragedy. this is not a special inspiration, and wrapping the situation i explain, i tell you honestly, if you want , i will lie to you. if you want, i will clap my hands to you, and say, we will win for everyone, they will be satisfied with two options. and volodya, my dear friend, will suit their two options. the first option is

that russia diverts its resources, which are scarce in reality, and gets involved in this date. you will fight well. they want it to fight. perish. destroy, the second option will also suit. vutich is on the lead of nato and the european union, both options. they created such a situation. it is our own fault that we got into this situation, we created this here. we must realize this to draw conclusions and make decisions. what solutions we will not decide here with you in the studio. this should be done by the first persons to discuss thinking intelligence and so on. let me once again, uh, discuss with the respected vadim borovik, uh, who mentioned that only alexander grigorievich lukashenko , respected by me, visited belgrade during that period of alarming u well, he forgot to mention yunus and the leaders of states our troops. there were also russians

there, which means that this must be remembered, and our troops defended the serbian people there with their yes, at the risk of their lives and yunus bekyu yevkurov, hero of russia, who is now creating mobile anti-tank groups. he was there too this is the first moment i would like to note the second point means that if they turn the serbian people at the level of segregation, the yankees turn them and drive them into reservations, they drive these people into enclaves , which means they cannot protect with the help of a kaifon, which means that either the serbian serbian people, led by their leaders, must apply officially to russia, which will come to the rescue in any case. why because he cannot but come to his brothers. so, with regard to the weakening of russia here. i also strongly disagree. russia during the military special operation. predominantly acquired such leadership skills. combat operations use the latest weapons, our military industry

during this time not only got on its feet , it was mobilized in 3 months. so many weapons of ammunition are being produced now. how much earlier it was issued in a year and this suggests that russia has not only strengthened during this time during this year, it is simply able to help everyone, but this should be a specific official request of the serbian people, led by its leadership. here is a specific request indeed, but now i would also like to pay attention to the position of the west. hear a quote. yes, here is the position by sending kosovo jeffrey hovanier. i have to say that at the moment his us is not particularly enthusiastic to respond to some of kosovo's interests, including interaction with unrecognized countries or active work to promote kosovo along the euro-atlantic path. we are very sorry about the situation. before. we hope that the kurti prime minister

will heed our advice and take immediate steps to reduce tensions in the north. we believe that the presence of the kostovo police in the building in which they broke in very problematic, so we asked the government to withdraw the police from these three municipal buildings. dear roots, in the framework of the latest escalation around kosovo, in my understanding , an interesting feature of the new emerging world order has manifested itself, and the desire of the great powers to manage the escalation. and now we see how friendly and loud the western capital is. the albanians were pulled back. this is similar to washington's demand for israel to refrain from large-scale attacks on nuclear infrastructure in iran and regular calls to kiev not to use american missiles to strike the interior of russia here. do you think this is the line of the biden administration, or is this the general consensus of the westerners? the elites that the times of permissiveness, when they

themselves openly bombed the same belgrade or baghdad ruffled, have already passed. let us recall the well-known common mistake that a diplomat's tongue is given in order to reveal true thoughts. and what i observe and me is this. this is a very worrying situation there are three autonomy. it's serbian, kosovo i mean problems serbs, and there is transnistria and there is karabakh, and i draw your attention to how the western strategic scenario parallels the increase in escalation and the level of tension in these zones, which can create a at least even with some success for the russian federation, very large reputational losses in that new world that the russian federation is trying

to build, at least in the zone of the near and middle east in relations with india, china a and strange brix and so on. this is a very serious question that they are trying somehow blur and relegate to the background. here is the parallelism of the settlement of the conflict between armenia and azerbaijan over the caucasus and this. marin is simply amazing, you understand this is done at the same time, and you can see how to teach pashinyan, for example, they ended up in approximately the same position. well see for yourself. compare this case. on the one hand, there are guarantees of assurance, and to the prime minister of armenia and the president of serbia , but on the other hand, it is clear that these guarantees are not worth a military egg, in general, a broken penny. and let's go with you.

now let's pay attention to the map of nato members from the countries applying for membership in the alliance. here is such a map we have, and here is one look at this map for vladimir maksimych. it seems to me enough to understand the reasons for the pressure of the west on belgrade. serbia remains the only country. on the balkans. are there more outside nato? bosnia well, she claims to be a member of the alliance and only the position of the serbian community. here in this confederation does not allow the block to absorb another country. here is what the same russian federation and china to keep this free from control. nato is an island in europe , look, there is kosovo where albanians live mainly, but there are serbian enclaves that are actually on a reservation. well, in fact, this is how the indians in the states yes, they drove them roughly speaking and keep them.

there, just on a leash on a short leash, so that they do not rock the boat. this is how it happens. so, as far as oblique is concerned, this is a proxy for absolutely, uh, washington. these people, then, will break the chain on command, when necessary. they they unleash any fight and kill two or three or four serbs, for example. imagine such a hypothetical situation. immediately there is a bifurcation point immediately turns into a hot phase instantly, yes, what will happen uh, there will only be one solution to this whole problem, it is possible to protect the serbian people. how is this the second moment, yes karina please have a desire to react, thank you for presenting at least a map imagine that belgrade is turning to russia for help. how will they lie, looking

on this map, military air corridors take into account that our, for example, the minister of foreign affairs, sometimes even civilian ones are closed. and air corridors, by the way, minister of foreign affairs, are so unknown, and we don’t have military communication corridors with serbia. they are closed by the military i will answer you this question. very easy to eat mediterranean frame. there is the black sea fleet. this means that there is a base in tartus and there are bases of the name, which means that if it is produced with the help of the proxy forces of kosovo sausages, or e. some forces involved in this operation, which is a fact of genocide, then we will certainly be forced to resort to the sea gum. well, in fact, you serbs are ready for such a solution to the current situation,

please. covered here we have one team here. there is called migulas from the people here we have a comrade. my general. uh one serbian army. and yesterday i was just discussing this issue with him. he says that the problem of this can be expanded in such a way that it is necessary to provide uh russia, uh, the creation military base. and this is a peshkar bead. van is, let's say, on the border, as if with kosovo, but there is a serbian military there, we have exercises all the time, and he says, we just need to put it there. uh, that is, to invite and install, so that russia puts a military one, and its own base with all possible means of control there, well, i will not go into depth, but it is clear that this is possible, and this control can be exercised. and that in this situation , even this is keyfor, i can do something with the mill. firstly, this is the territory of serbia parasitized 12,44 has the right to install up to a thousand military policemen there, that is,

to put it in, right? it fell out of love, who voted in the same pure i am an american, respectively, we have a legal norm and eats. uh, just the desire of the serbian authorities should be such that this business is carried out. and i think that this would be a serious obstacle to what forms the serbs would start fighting in general. and this situation would be completely different. well, everything would have looked from a different angle than it looks now. i remind you that on the air the sass program is authorized to declare we are talking about the current situation around kosovo vadim but you know, we were talking about sanctions about the difficult relationship that has developed recently between serbia and the republic, belarus but tell me, please, for example, flies

there is no air connection to moscow and st . serbian leader with a request to improve the relationship of issues. i don't think it's that important. well, although serbia's behavior was wrong. i remember what we brought. the leader flew in; they succumbed to the pressure. here they showed weakness and let's type on the previous questions. i will answer anyway. first. uh, vladimir as a colonel dear me, vladimir knows the captain of the first yes , the captain of the first rank knows the first thing that the vision of hostilities. this is not only a landing. this is support. ah artillery, it's supply support absolutely cut off, serbia unfortunately, therefore, in the nineties, russia could not effectively help. let's speak objectively, enough of this hooray propaganda. i'm already tired on the eve of this special military provocation by the united states , which has not been carried out in europe now. i'm already tired of this hooray propaganda. i will finish

volodya second, which means that the serbs can apply. with the request of the russian federation to host a base, they can and must decide for themselves that there will be severe economic sanctions, there will be serious economic political pressure be prepared for a drop in the standard of living at times , agree and exchange dignity for a standard of living, please. you can do this, please contact us, the moisture is right, russia will not refuse to help you, how effective it will be. we will see ahead of time there is no need to talk about this and the following is absolutely for parallel processes in the balkans, transnistria means karabakh and i add central asia where there will be afghanistan and the north caucasus is already starting to stir and listen to the americans, they say we don’t need to win these conflicts at all. our the task is to prevent alliances of associations and, uh, raising their heads by regions and individual countries so that they can compete with us, which is what they are doing now

. task during a special military provocation , weaken europe, russia and approach china , therefore, unfortunately, the serbs did not care americans on your behalf. they see kosovo solely as a tool. and you are ready to be sacrificed. it's true, and unfortunately, even these bastards are ready to sacrifice my country. i hope vladimir that we are within the framework of a union state. we will be able to defend not only rhetoric, but effectively qualitatively our national interests of the union state of russia and belarus in a conversation with the heads of special services, the cis, alexander lukashenko spoke absolutely frankly about the military-political situation in the region and the events around us , we will hear a direct speech. the political situation around our commonwealth is becoming more and more aggravated, and it will become aggravated. and we need to understand that, seeing that we are somewhere else, the big players

around us hesitated. russia belarus the central asian states are now slowly trying to pull us apart, both in a good way and in a bad way. we guys must not let this happen. this is my iron point of view. i already feel this in my gut, after all , i have been working as president for more than a year. not only will belarus come to the rescue - russia has already been created united. positional earlier 40 triumph is already here. here is the trc iskander, the crew of the pilots of belarus and russia are already flying together. therefore , it will already come to the rescue. it is already ritualistic, which it is inappropriate. she's already here in russia you have always been and will remain, as for the isolated position of serbia, it is not just acceptable, because we now see how turkey behaves how hungary behaves how the same bask behaves that

greece will give up at 16. yes, he won’t give it to anyone in life, which means that if serbia joins this, then let’s say politicians are confident in this policy of independence for their state, then the standard of living of the serbs will not be lower, but higher and that means this house of cards, which is headed by the elderly grandpa joe it will fall apart. here is what will happen, dear fuck, i can’t help but ask you, as a brilliant specialist in the middle east, about what turkey’s game is in the balkans. ankara is investing a lot of money in the creation of cultural centers in education in infrastructure projects. that's how bad relations between moscow and erdogan can allow them to coordinate efforts to limit western influence in the region. turkish guide. e, comes from one simple and very correct task. if only centric view of the world is

the strengthening of the sovereignty of our own country. the east, since turkey is a member of nato, has a fairly serious army, the internal problems of this country, which i will not list are such that, but the help of mm partners in nato and, in general, the western world is very important for it, then, in principle, turkey will be very serious bargain and play on the side of the west yes, trying. in general, yes, she is a rather tough partner for good reason. e washington corridors and the erdogans and turkey amy's friend is called a friend by a word. yes , it's clear, yes, that is, suddenly the enemy, so turkey will play this game, but i'm embarrassed by the following, you understand today. we are discussing the investigation from a grand strategy, but of the united west yes, we

are discussing operational investigations. and until we figure out for ourselves where the vulnerabilities of this west stop giggling or discussing. let's say the increase in the level of public debt and so on, and the destruction of the hmm empire of the dollar and so on and so forth, we need to understand where the west has vulnerabilities, because the one who he is great, as it were, a very visible target, in fact, the west has quite a lot of its americans quite a lot of vulnerabilities. we need to get a sober understanding of where their vulnerabilities lie, let's say. and i hope that uh

. and as far as i remember , delta is, in my opinion, either 600 or 800 people, these are certainly super fighters. i i can’t say anything bad about them, professionals and so on, but this is also a very serious vulnerability, and they are in different places; all this information. we need to synthesize it all. but tell me, please, how do you assess the position taken today by mr. vučić, because a in a recent interview with western media, he said that he had not talked to putin for more than a year because of prejudice against serbs back west. here's a quote, i've seen a lot of eu leaders go to him or say i don't because everyone would say

look at the server. what do they want us to forbid themselves they allow? here is such a quote from vučić and it is difficult to understand. this is how you can deal with a leader who is so disrespectful of himself and the opinion of the majority of his citizens. that is, he does not communicate with the leader of the russian federation in order to please someone in the west, the head of state, who essentially acts as agent a, as if among their own sagres. well, as a tour, by and large, it is not a political object. he's just an agent of uh external forces. uh, inside his own country , it's another matter that he can't afford to say too much, but to show it sharply. and this is their own, because society will not accept it . that is why society is broken through the knee

and euthanized all. kimi and persuasion in order to destroy well, this is the liquidator in fact i say that for me a very similar situation. well, somewhat similar, for example, with the fact that happening in armenia the fact is that anyway, you understand my region, i see it in the near and middle east, and against this background, a strong leader allows himself to go forward. yes, calculations uh-huh by the way, the belarusian leader alexander lukashenko expressed his point of view about the vulnerable position of today's serbia let's hear a direct speech, of course, the serbian people need to be helped and will have to be helped. we are such people, well, we take into account serbia's policy towards belarus well , if they want to be there, as they say , they won't be able to sit on three chairs. here we are

russia european union america and others and everywhere want everything to be good, but they will not be allowed to sit on all these chairs, and above all, the european unions. and where do they aspire to? well, by the way, dragon but tell me, please, there is an opinion that such a position of mr. vučić is dictated by the corruption deals of his entourage. in this connection, the west keeps the president of serbia on a short leash. and now tell me, how do you think russia is possible, it's time to start working with the serbian opposition, a significant part of which is enough loyal in moscow today. unfortunately, i don’t know that i lived in ukraine and i see, it’s just this policy that we have. uh, well, the same people there are some businessmen from russian politics and so on. that is, work is being done with those who represent,

in fact, the west, and not those who are consumer movements, which today occupy almost 50% in general, this is the same, well, the population. i mean those who vote. and look, what is your question. uh, there are a few things, first, look at how the hungarian president orbán behaves. look how the corvatian e behaves, president milanovic, what they are not afraid of. yes? how are they different or better? what is different from them, that is, they conduct their own policy, they are not afraid to speak, and the truth in the face further today in the best creates a new one. that is, he left no longer the head of his own party, he is aware of the social movement. well, it’s like he’s copying this, in my opinion, like in russia of the business war, but that is, he gets corruption, crime that surrounds his party, and he just already understands it, they won’t pass on these elections, and now he is creating a new kind of movement, which will include people who

, well, like you, like many others, who are not in the political system, but he wants to capture them, then he wants to annul them. simply, perhaps, and potential, as it were , electoral competitors there on the political stage and so on, but if there is a different opinion of some people who say that back in the twelfth year, his party came to power. they took on certain obligations to the west. and that now it's time to pay counted, so if this is true and even what is happening now, uh, there are also people on coconut currents who say that this is not accidental, that there may be an agreement between belgrade between albanians and between the west, that it was at this moment that he brought people to support rally. he was in belgrade and there he was beaten. as a matter of fact, there was no one to protect the institute. of course, i am not inclined to believe in such meanness, but considering how western agents operate and how influential they are with us, i would not rule out such a moment, so there are a lot of questions specifically for

his policy and then and i talked with some ministers who used to boast of their friendship with russia with specific individuals in russia and so on. now they say we dare not call. we are afraid to communicate with these people and so on. so why are you doing politics then if you are afraid of everything thank you dragon and western pressure on belgrade in order to force serbia to impose sanctions against russia, abandon kosoy and support the serbs in bosnia, we will tell in our short story a conflict of taste, not the only one a problem for serbia after the start of russia's special operation in ukraine, the west began all kinds of pressure on belgrade in order to subdue moscow's ally, the beginning of the russian ukrainian conflict became one of the big problems . that we have not imposed a sanction against the russian federation, according to vučić , the main leitmotif of the visit of western officials to serbia has long been talk about the country's accession to international

sanctions against russia, the first of them obligation - instead of good afternoon or good evening, explain to me what a cretin i am that i did not impose sanctions against russia. well, i heard you. i understood your suggestion. i wish you all the best. well, the confrontation with moscow is not the only thing that the west wants to impose on serbia, it also requires recognition, kosovo, and the actual recognition of the region is also stated in the agreement prepared by the european union, the document implies the mutual recognition of passports serbia's refusal to