[000:00:00;00] andrey vladimirovich savinykh, chairman of the commission on international affairs of the house of representatives of the national assembly of the republic of belarus, today i would like to discuss the trends in the international situation, and how this affects the development and well-being of the republic of belarus and

andrei suvinykh is our guest today. good afternoon. andrei vladimirovich good afternoon. hello in turbulent times. we live andrey vladimirovich the ministry of foreign affairs of our country recently made a statement in belarus seriously fears the aggressive actions of the polish leadership. let's listen to the financing of extremists, they are preparing some fighting squads against the belarusian population, they are carrying out active militarization. after all, this is obvious and well-known facts, while the actions of the current government are sometimes fanatical and do not differ in logic and rationality. and therefore, it is not always predictable enough to take at least the closure of checkpoints at the border in the foreign ministry also reminded its own population and business, that the council of ministers of poland recently decided not to comply with the polish provisions of the treaty on conventional armed forces in europe in relation to our country, the government is completely consciously destroying the last legal pillars of the european one.

security systems are undermining all of europe , the diplomat added. how likely is it that more will decide on some kind of military action against belarus no, if you paid attention, the emphasis was more on the antibes of belarusian e, actions of such a terrorist nature, they finance, uh, certain forces. uh, preparing terrorist groups on their territory. eh, i am more skeptical about poland's readiness to act against belarus, if only because of the defense policy that has been formed. for the public belarus in recent decades the defense policy of the union state of the union state of russia belarus attack on belarus will mean an attack on russia including, but nonetheless. we are also making a certain effort aimed

primarily at preventing any aggressive plans. in particular. such a measure is the creation of a joint military group , which is now operating on the territory of belarus, e. it has already been coordinated there and will be ready to meet any threats, so the likelihood of some rash ones. uh, actions on the part of poland, it certainly remains. why because the polish leadership today? and in principle, it was also said in the statement that it implements, not the interests of its own country. the interests of the nation state, and it acts on the agenda of foreign centers of power overseas centers of power, which by and large use poland as a battering ram against russia , primarily in order to prevent the formation of a full-fledged

macro-region, e.g. on our territory, on our joint territory. therefore, yes, tension is undoubtedly present, but this is not a reason to lose head or panic. well, what about the buildup. hmm, the number of military personnel to 300,000, which is almost twice as much as it is now, and new american military bases are appearing in the same place on the territory. poland to announce an increase to 300,000. of course , it can be much more difficult to implement this task, since you need to think about where to get the resources, but today these resources are promised. usa great britain but whether they will fulfill their promises is a big question, i absolutely agree that the nato grouping along the territory of our borders is increasing. and i think that it is already known that it reached, in my opinion, 40,000 people, and it is important to consider that

these units e have offensive weapons, tanks, heavy artillery and a lot of others. uh, armed systems military systems. eh, nonetheless. we give an answer. and i think that even that announcement about the deployment of tactical nuclear weapons in belarus. this is essentially a measure that completely nullifies any. uh, plans to build up strike forces along our borders. that is, they will no longer be able to perform any combat mission, but security. we must take into account. it's not a matter of trust security. a formula that allows both sides of uh to have some certainty that they can protect their interests. this is a very important and very serious question, the most dangerous in all this. this is poland's refusal to comply with the treaty on the limitation of conventional

arms in europe in essence. they are undermining the foundation of the osce foundation, which, by and large, since the forty -fifth year has ensured peace, and well-being on the european continent. this is a really dangerous step. and if andrei vladimirovich they stop using the big one as a battering ram. can we count on the fact that in the shortest possible time we will be able to restore neighborhood relations with poland what do you think, the question of the shortest possible time is, of course, a question, uh, rather difficult. but if we say so. so external forces will stop putting pressure on the polish leadership, which, as i said, does not play in the interests of poland. i think the situation will fundamentally change. e, moreover, most likely this process will be accompanied by a serious financial

crisis, in which the whole of europe will find itself. well , in this case, i mean the european union and, in general, all countries of the collective west yes certainly finding themselves in a difficult position. they'll start looking for solutions . the only right thing to do would be to find, uh, some kind of compromise that would have to be made, just from our side, when i say our side. i mean both belarus and russia, and on the whole, victor the hell, the minister of defense announced the possibility of deploying on our territory not only tactical, but also strategic. i will listen to nuclear weapons. we have prepared equipment for this aircraft, which are for him to carry nuclear weapons. we have prepared pilots. we received the most modern iskander complex, which is capable of using missiles with nuclear warheads. literally next week. uh, the training

of this unit is nearing completion. we didn't hear one more thing that our president said, that we will need strategic nuclear weapons, and we are already preparing. our existing sites, but from these words we can only understand that the threat is growing. yes, not quite here it is very clear to listen. uh, the content of these words and this phrase, if necessary. yes, the minister of defense quite clearly expressed one thought that we are ready to deploy nuclear weapons, well, first of all, tactical ones, which will be fully provided. safe use of storage of this weapon. eh, that's the main question next. he outlined another very interesting point. it is more of a preventative

nature. it is just the same aimed at cooling the hot heads on the other side. he says, if it is necessary, quoting the president, then in belarus there may appear and strategic weapon. this is what he says to the numbness, er, and the second point. this suggests that we will be able to handle this weapon quite well. that is, it is essentially a warning. we must not forget that nuclear weapons are first and foremost a deterrent and it is thanks to them that we did not have a hot global war. uh, for more than 80 years, the appearance of such weapons in belarus completely excludes any, uh, rash actions against our country on the military track. the emergence of strategic nuclear weapons shows that we are ready to defend their interests to go as far as necessary. well, even china i would like to discuss revised with you. china has its own rules

for military conscription in wartime from 1. may amendments come into force. and so recruiting should be focused on preparing for war, that is, after all. uh, china is also preparing for some kind of military confrontation. well, we live in a very difficult time of conflict, china now systematically systematically trying to draw china into an armed conflict around taiwan does not need this, but efforts. as i see it being done really titanic and we must remember one thing is a peacetime army, one thing peacetime generals are a completely different effective coordinated action of the armed forces, at the moment of a direct military clash, the situation in syria in ukraine, they clearly showed how big the difference can be. eh, you need to be prepared for this. uh, china has no combat experience.

it is not enough for them to produce modern weapons to arm the army. it is also necessary to train the army to use this, it is necessary to create mechanisms that will allow in case conflict to build up the size of the army and practice. that none of these processes are carried out without problems. that's why china, which naturally analyzes all the details of all conflicts around the world. e, in advance tries to take e measures to be fully armed, but this does not mean that he is aggressively constantly training the same. yes, it also takes time. it's not a month, not two. i do not even a year, of course, china is now in an interesting time situation. uh, economic time works to his advantage. that is , simply doing nothing, continuing the course for

preservation of global peace. china is strengthening its position in the world, and its opponents in this case, the united states of america. well, a number of countries of the collective west are just running out of time because those resources that are not located are getting smaller and smaller and therefore a more acute form of conflict. and for china now it is important not to succumb to the provocation , of course, just as, in fact, as it is for us. we are meeting with you in the year of peace and creation. andrey vladimirovich, we offer every effort to maintain calmness and head cold, but the situation in the world. you are right. it is getting hotter recently in sudan, and such foci have flared up. apparently, there will be more of these all over the world. yes, we just have time to observe where and when the next time. i think that the number of local conflicts uh will uh, you can even say on a systemic

basis in africa in southeast asia along the perimeter of the russian borders. uh, in latin america, uh, the world is really explosive. why is this happening? the thing is that the unipolar world is the world of the hegemony of the united states of america a world of total domination? e countries of the collective west, which in principle was unfair, which was built on the principle of draining resources and periphery countries from developing countries in favor of a very, very small number. uh, the beneficiaries of the western primarily transnational corporations. this world is collapsing, and it cannot collapse without exposing certain contradictions in the regions and the second point. we must also be quite frank about this. uh, former outgoing hegemon, wreaking havoc around the world creates conflicts, because these conflicts allow him to save at least part of e

resources that are at his disposal and allow. uh, leaving the collapse of the global world to make it less painful is the main logic that hides behind all kinds of local conflicts. for what reason did they arise? well, often the united states is satisfied with finding an excuse for it to be oil in some country and, uh, some other energy resources. here, uh, an example, there is venezuela, the longstanding confrontation with the united states , constantly trying to get something from venezuela and just recently a member of the us state department threatened in venezuela with tougher sanctions if the dialogue of local authorities with non-systemic opposition. uh, stagnation and nicolas maduro responded to this conclusion. let's see yesterday representative gringo made threats against venezuela said that if venezuela does not make progress in the political dialogue with the corrupt treacherous sales sector of the unitary platform, they

will take retaliatory measures and sanctions against our country. i tell the gringo press secretary get the hell out, formulas italy, emotionally emotionally expressed. well, that is absolutely correct. it seems to me that the statement of the state department. this is even more hysterical. they applied against venezuela almost the entire arsenal of restrictive measures that could be done, in fact. almost the same as against russia. they confiscated more than 20 billion dollars of the gold and foreign exchange reserves of this country , but they created chaos there, and the most curious thing is that after going through these tests, venezuela just this year at the end of the pro already last year, it is again on the stabilization and economic growth, but there is another interesting aspect , i noticed that in the elections in latin america

almost all countries, including mexico , came. uh, leftist socialists, many of whom are very, very unfriendly to the united states, they remember what the united states did in latin america in the middle of the 20th century, how they destroyed the national liberation movement. uh, the political parties that were focused on the development of these countries, imposing their own hegemony. and now we have some kind of backlash. latin america is pulling together and venezuela is at the forefront of this process. well, it’s interesting that they don’t feel these same gringos of this danger that comes from the yes of the new system, which , according to you, is being created even in latin america. they could , well, pretend, at least for a while, to be socialists. they drive such a good expression that the leopard never loses his spots. this is the first and second point. they

i think they understand everything perfectly from here and arise. here is the tension. they also understand that they have two such really serious global weapons left, and they use it to the full extent, it is informational. means, that is, a global campaign to defame their opponents and dehumanize their demonizations, in fact, their opponents. and the second is the strength of the dollar as a global one. uh, financial currency are both resources. uh, they are destroyed, they lose their potential, but they use them to the fullest. why because they understand that pretending in this process will not work the world will go through fundamental changes. and we will interrupt for a while, i remind you, we have a telegram channel. say don't be silent. subscribe and ask questions.

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will sign an agreement that is unprofitable for him due to the west's desire to support the conflict. do you agree that this is the probability scenario of practical psychology. there is one. uh, technique called choice without choice, right? well, for example, mom can tell her son when you will do your homework now or in an hour, yes, that is, he can choose only the time, but you should always do homework here, exactly the same attempt is made to impose a negotiation process, and latently hidden there . several manipulations. well, let's take it literally by e, parts of the agreement on favorable terms for ukraine. yes, which means favorable conditions for ukraine, by and large

, russia's position has been voiced. uh, russian victory may mean the most favorable conditions for the preservation of both ukrainian statehood and, in general, ukraine as a territory, as a people, but the problem is that if this happens, then russia will not agree, zelensky the second question, why is the proposed zelensky government being done? here is the admission. e that it will be preserved, this is an extremely difficult question. uh, will this really happen most likely a and third point. e in this phrase, the zelensky government is presented as an independent e, the subject of e international relations, but we all know very well that they are not a subject, but the tool turns out that the solution of the problem in ukraine is , in fact, negotiations between russia and the countries of the collective west on certain conditions

for the return of a peaceful situation, right , so it turns out that this is a complete phrase designed to divert and impose e on society, well, individual, by the way, experts. a mental picture that essentially does not correspond to the interests of russia and does not correspond to reality. that's all. well, interests. i just i understand, yes, yes, zelensky's office in my opinion. now the only interest is to cut the western aid that is still coming to ukraine as soon as this process is completed. they will simply run away from this country. that's all. it is primarily responsible for ukraine's interest. completing the military operation as soon as possible on russia's terms, because i see no other way to resolve this problem and

reach agreements between russia and the collective west, both of which are certain conditions for peaceful coexistence, that is peaceful transition. and to this multipolar world, which we are talking about today more and more like this, if this conflict is presented. yes, the strategy is becoming more or less clear, but i agree that it really contains a rational assessment that all these processes will take place. peaks before the end of the current year, so it is likely that this is a very likely scenario. and i can even say that from a purely military point of view, from the point of view of the situation on the battlefield. uh, russia can complete this operation much faster than the end of this year, another question is that the settlement includes not only a military aspect, but also a humanitarian economic one, and most importantly

, a geopolitical one, and it slows down this geopolitical aspect. uh, appeasing the solution to this problem, the rhetoric of french president macron changed after his trip to china after his visit to china and he made a number of statements, including that europe should move away from dependence on the united states. what does it mean in your opinion? here is such a rebellious european ship, well frankly, i can point out a few of these interesting points here, indeed the interests of the united states and great britain and the interests of continental europe, they differ, the problem is that continental europe has no subjectivity. they are not quite sovereign and unable to accept. uh, well, independent solutions of their own interests, no matter how strange it

may sound western europe, it would like to enter into some kind of cooperation with china, but the united states of america will not allow it. just as western europe was not allowed to continue normal interaction with russia, most likely they will be hostages. e this geopolitical fault and the process of deindustrialization of europe will continue. this is the task that the macron solves, and in contacts with china it is difficult to say. it is quite possible that he really expresses a certain thesis, which is already on the lips of a very large number of political leaders or political circles in continental europe , and on the other hand, knowing its history, they know, that he belongs. uh, let's say global financial circles is, in fact, their employees and it is likely that he

simply serves the interests of french corporations. who would like to move to china to maintain their economic potential and make statements that they think are flattering to xi and china as a whole. it simply provides more favorable conditions for the transfer of france's industry to china or, relatively speaking, to zones that china controls , it seems more and more likely, but this once again suggests that the collapse of continental europe has already gone very far to stop this process is almost impossible. and that already, in general, the highest players that are there are already starting to simply run away from this ship. this is very sad, because i frankly do not say this with joy. i say this with great regret, because europe has really

grown up. on the confrontation between the ussr and the usa, it managed to create a certain middle class of culturally educated people. e, managed to create, er, a prosperous society, there, indeed, we can talk about the development and culture of social certain traditions. now this is all going under the knife but we must see that they are doing it in english. and they do it very cynically and harshly, but they, the bitch, cut down on which they are sitting, it’s not really all about the fact that they understand that if the global world is falling apart, then they will have to leave. uh, to control a single macro-region to ensure control of the whole world, they no longer succeed. and this means that you need to pull resources from their periphery, which they

still control, at their disposal. they wanted to do it with russia , but it didn't work out, by the way, primarily due to the fact that both the russian economy and the russian statehood put forward this year, which we lived through. hmm, just actually. yes, not an easy year, uh, great trials, but as a result they turned to cannibalism. they are now eating up the resources of those territories that they can reach, that they control ip. in order to save enough resources to start creating their own macro-region. well, on its own. this is the structure of the eu. the european union, it will remain , or do you still think that now they will one by one, at least leave this association. you see, this is a rather complicated question, and it seems to have two levels of answer, if you mean de jure, and it

may well remain, but de facto, in the content in which it was conceived and in which it acted uh at the time of it expansion, that is, 10-15 years ago. of course, it will not exist, most likely, it seems like a serious crisis, will some countries come out of it or not. this is unknown, but i can say that they will have to reorganize very seriously within this european union. and now, it seems to me, sometimes that such a pei of reassembly will be the territory of northern italy, southern germany , austria, hungary, that is , it will be reborn from here. this is europe weakened, having gone through a serious economic crisis through very large the volume of social upheavals, but other scenarios, and, frankly, for them, i

do not see. we remember the provocation of the ukrainian delegation. during your speech at a meeting of the parliamentary region in february , andrei vladimirovich did not worry about you , let us remind the audience how it was literally a fragment of belarus, they also well remember the massive bombing of nato aircraft, well, peaceful sev cities. i don't know how else you can, which works according to the principle here remember. i don't remember here. i'm sure such memory will not help the settlement to think about, which the chairman of the national council proposes. austrian wolfgang on saturday, amazing endurance then noted andrey vladimirovich not a single muscle did not flinch. well, it's common practice. that is, if we have something to say, we must say it without being distracted by details. here are the sites. of course, they fell a lot in our eyes,

because there is, uh, a circus going on there, that in general you can negotiate with someone. no, you understand one very important trend. in my opinion. e we very often say that it does not work in a crisis, the way we wanted it , the thing is that there are so many international ones. ah, institutions of organization. they created completely different conditions. it was a bipolar world, and then they ensured the interests of the two superpowers of the ussr and the usa, and within their framework we achieved a lot of good results, which, on the whole, were directed in the interests of the development of mankind. uh, but the framework still existed now, when we see the collapse of globalization, these uh, institutions just simply stop working, because that they were created in other conditions, and they are now falling victim to conflicts. uh,

member states, if member states can't agree, how can institutions work. let's even take the regional example of the osce, this organization was created around the treaty on arms control in europe, if poland is now withdrawing from this treaty, if its main key provisions are not being implemented, if the main principle is violated, one cannot ensure one's own security at the expense of the security of a neighbor . how can it act obse? well hello actual fiction. at the same time , they do not dissolve all these structures. they continue to work. this is a reflection of another different logic. the thing is that history never puts an end to it, there is always a continuation. uh, the period of conflict will always e end with the need

to negotiate. strictly speaking , this was the initiative of the president of belarus to hold an international conference, when the leading states should sit down at the table and agree on new principles, uh, of the world order of an already multipolar world devices. this initiative was ahead of its time, well, by five to seven years, because today we are going through a period, just the same, tearing apart a period of conflict, that is, the parties are now trying to find their zones of influence, measure their potentials, and only then the time will come. therefore, there is no point in negotiating to destroy these organizations. it makes sense to continue to work in them to convey your position, since they will eventually become the basis, within which new agreements will be reached. here you say world is being rebuilt. what kind of world are we building? this is very interesting. uh, i would say even

a matter of principle, because we declare very often. we are in favor of a multipolar world, but we talk little about what this means, and how does this affect the economy? how does this affect security issues? yes, all these issues need to be discussed in detail, because if we do not understand this, then, well, honestly, in any case, we will not know. what is their government doing? and that and that's probably not great. uh multipolar world, i see how the world e macro-regional macro-regions are political military economic unions of sovereign states that unite with each other in order to create their own market, ensure a unified defense policy, and by and large, to get through this difficult period and preserve their chances for development and a prosperous future. and i want

to say that such macro-regions are considered in the world. not so much. well , let's keep our fingers crossed, no doubt there is a chance china has a chance india russia united states america and the united states of america there, uh, in a fight, two social forces came together at once , uh, forces - this is a cluster of transnational financial corporations, uh, which now control uh the government of the united states of america, neither the government controls the cluster. and cool. that is, these are the representatives of the real sector who would like to return. uh, the former industrial power of the united states of america is two mutually exclusive projects. great britain is taking great efforts in order to

survive at least as some kind of macro-region, uh, trying to secure its influence. and in the middle east, somewhere in india, somewhere, by the way, in central europe it is quite possible that the eu, which will receive a blow from the anglo-saxon world, will become a zone of influence of great britain, but these are scenarios that we can consider as a possibility, but in latin america there is someone brazil is now trying to use primarily brix e as a consolidation tool latin america has a chance to form its own macro-region, but they clearly do not have enough resources they have too there is little unity, and they have no military capability. here is your question, by the way, brings you know what an interesting thesis? and what qualities should a macro-region have in order to take place, the thing is that now everyone who tries to create it immediately

implements two strategies. one strategy is aimed at consolidating the space that is available to him, and the strategy is aimed at breaking through the possibility of other players to create their own macro-regions. from here, it turns out, look, the united states of america is implementing plans for, uh, setting up an aucus. yes, and at the same time they are escalating, uh, the conflict around taiwan for china for india is relations with pakistan and the situation around kashmir. so we can continue this list. eh, it turns out that each macro-region - it should be. uh, a union of states that include at least well 200-30-400 million industrial population. this is a single market. e, at the same time , the parameters of military security, resource security must be maintained. we must have enough resources to ensure the development of our economy,

a certain level of development of human capital, the education system and the scientific school. why because without e-e of its independent scientific school, the macro-region will not be able to develop and, finally, technological security, we must create all critically important technologies. uh, at home . this also applies to microelectronics and computer technology and road-building equipment from tank building and many, many other things. that is, these are the macro-regions or those countries that will be able to rally a sufficient number of countries around themselves and provide these options. er, they will emerge as new players in the international arena. and by the way, they will sit at the negotiating table. uh, within the framework of that conference

, which the president of belarus was talking about, the potential will happen, anytime, but andrei vladimirovich i am in your company for the first time with some kind of positive, or something, i looked at the year that we experienced, but this is also and bad. yes, what is happening is that people are dying, but it was also such a test for the capacities of the region, so to speak, yes, about which you are talking about no doubt. we have been very important critical year, in fact. russia is now fighting in ukraine for the right for all of us to create our own macron. and we need to understand this. the second point is that you are sts, er, in fact. we already, russia and belarus, we did not allow, uh, to be robbed, the second time we, in fact, said no, and we are the first to break out of that globalization , from that global system that is collapsing. this means that the destruction of the system

will already hit us much less than the nu countries. effective west than even china, by the way, and india. and this macro-region, which russia is building, is clear that we will also be present in it. who else comes first. let's talk about belarus it because the status of belarus is uh more important to us right. i think that we have a chance not just to enter the macro-regions, but to enter the core of the future macro-region. this is extremely important, because this is the integration that is being laid both within the framework of 28 allied programs and within the framework of defense policy. these are the standards that will then be open for accession by other countries, but each again the arrival will probably have worse conditions. ah, the original club. let there be no bad conditions, but nevertheless it is the first

one that can enter, but without a doubt, these are the countries of, uh, the former ussr are traditional partners with which we have a high degree of connection. there is a logistical connection and there is a certain idea of ​​the values ​​of common values. well, then continue. well, i can probably already safely name iran among these countries, which is now very quickly accelerating the processes of integration with russia with belarus and potentially become part of this new macro-region. we do not say that it will be one country. it will be a single space that will function according to the same laws on the basis of the same principles and values, i admit. further, more complex assumptions begin, which are related to the dynamics of the development of the situation around the world

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on tv channel belarus 24. on the air again . you say there will be several such regions. there maybe three maybe five maybe six even, but inevitably, uh, such a situation may arise that someone wants to dominate to break out, forward, how then to achieve peace in such a situation, balance . yes, this process will be carried out along several lines at once. first, macro-regions will be formed. as you rightly said five six there will still exist for the first time regional powers that will pursue

a joint policy and balance. u between macro. ions, but in the end any mathematician will tell you that e is best stable. the system that has three points of support is not four conventionally, but three uh, this will mean that if one leader appears in the world, then, uh, let's say, two other leaders, two other players, will be. it is natural to combine with each other to balance. and its possibilities. this is called the balance of power. by the way, i would like to draw your attention to what russia's new foreign policy doctrine, er, this one, the principle of the balance of power, er, does. eh, probably one of the main things for the future for the development of international relations from the point of view of russia , i think it is no coincidence that this means that even

if there are 5-6 macro-regions in the future, i suspect that everything is being monitored. to two, more precisely, to three unions, of which two will balance, e.g., any leader who will try to get ahead in a paradoxical way. this system can be very stable. it will be a balance of power. ah, the balance of common sense. it will be a kind of repetition of this quite prosperous period. uh existence two superpowers. each macro-region will have its own economic model and choose this is the next very difficult question. uh, the point is that it is obvious that the multinational corporation cluster will try to implement models of inclusive capitalism. it will be a kind of feudalism. e indefinability in the territory, well, a certain

territory in the world. e. i think that in our situation we are most likely. they will implement the model of the welfare state - a mixed economy, where a large state corporation will be responsible for development, and uh, servicing the population will be entrusted to small private enterprises, that is, such a kind of multi-structural economy will make it possible to combine the benefits of a market system with the possibilities of planning. uh, maybe, uh, we have, without a doubt, socialism with chinese characteristics. yes, we have a caste society and a market economy in india. i think there will be three or four models that will begin to compete with each other and this will undoubtedly give good impetus for development. why because the world is diverse? uh, model's rivalry

ultimately allows you to find the best way for the development of all mankind. this is where we need to go beyond the framework of the system as a whole. now what's stopping us? well, as if uniting with china will never happen in one macro-region. well, i frankly, uh, do not believe in these associations, because the logic of the formation of macro-regions. e, says what will be let's say 5-6. such are the centers. yes, why should we unite with china, which itself can be quite large, if we have the opportunity to create our own macro-region right? uh, second question. does china need it? this is also a point that requires more serious study. i'm talking here, so far very carefully. why because for the next five, maybe even more years , china will undoubtedly be our strategic ally, because the collapse