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24 tv channel is on air, watch us every day. my name is kristina vysotskaya i am a textile artist for art exhibitions, an art critic, a researcher a teacher i am an associate professor at the department of arts and crafts and costume of the belarusian state academy arts. today we will talk about the modern art of textiles, and let's talk about the tree of knowledge with the largest textile culture belarus, which took second place in dubai at expo 2020, and let's talk about what is happening, but the regions in belarus and what is happening in academies of arts and what is contemporary art?

hello, you are watching the program of distortions be silent in the studio of victoria popova and tatyana shcherbina and visiting. today we have christina vysotskaya good afternoon. hello friends, christina, we know that you can start talk about textiles. eh, if you have a lecture of 1.5 hours, then it can last a day and this conversation will never end, but we also need to start somewhere today and i suggest starting with the work that won you over. i am very many in belarus and not only all over the world - this is the tree of knowledge , your nine-meter sculpture that you presented in dubai at expo 2020, and we will now watch a video so that the audience can also imagine how it looks.

you can look at it endlessly i have a few questions about this sculpture. first, i'll ask you. how much fun she has in total of the tree of knowledge the whole

dressing gown, and half of this weight is textiles, and the second half is a supporting structure. it was a metal supporting structure, and the frame was invited to so2 to create it. alexander dansa. this is a well-known master, and the white narrow bronze sculptures can also be found in minsk in many of his works. it was such a very interesting collaboration in the project. so yes, no one guessed the weight. you asked this question on social networks and no one answered did not answer. yes? it was almost 4.000 m in the cotton rope, which was so far that you are very well, but four thousand, but the meta is also. well, such a figure, around which everything somehow moves. these were threads to the ion, which were created by hand, there is a wrapping going on, and manual hmm with cotton, too, and well, of course, 70. e meters

in square tapestry, uh, designer textiles, which i myself wove m-m on a loom in the workshop and also there were a lot of interesting stories. here's how the conversation immediately turned into technology. and what, for example, to weave these canvases. they had to be solid, and i specially ordered a loom with a working surface of 1.5 m, and a traditional weaving loom and each canvas are fun on average 15 kg. a. well , it seems like a little, but when it comes to textiles, it's 15 there 15, and you immediately yes, it should be 9 m, yes. well, that was one of the conditions, but the fact is that this wow-zone was called a pavilion, and it was planned that there would be a tree and a tree of knowledge. it was named after the concept of the pavilion, which earned the national

miketing center and, uh, it was all developed jointly with the swiss company , which was responsible for the construction in dubai, and when work began directly with me, then all negotiations, all the approvals went at once, and it turns out both from the swiss company and from the belarusian side, the customer, in fact . immediately the ministry of cult was approved. in general, there was a lot, that is, a project. it is immediately offered to you like this, yes, and you need to implement it, it turned out such a story that in april of the nineteenth year i i did in minsk in the gallery in the art gallery of leonidovishcha, milleva, i did the mayskoye national exhibition. and at that show. i showed my sculptures, which sizes. a meter of 1.5 m is not higher and the organizers got on it. that's exactly the pavilion and they saw my work and then i

was invited to give a tour, but i did not know what they would be. eh, actually they are, but i saw that my eyes were tanned, that something had come up with an idea, and then after 2 months they already contacted me, and in fact that they invited me to make a tree. it sounded like this we would like you to do and see how it should be, yes, it turns out to see my work and theirs. that's aesthetics. here is the visual . he lay down on what they were looking for, just at that moment they were looking for filling for the pavilion. that is, the whole concept was. eh, how would that where will be what will it be about? what will this idea be as a component of us, and the moment has come when it was necessary to look for the filling of matter. or real yes? and if we have already begun to talk so tightly about the numbers. how long did it take you to create this. well for what you know there was covid, the exhibition was postponed for a year. and

this helped us a lot, because it was really difficult work and everything was done very well. so there was no glue there. that is. well, this is not discussed at all, that is, textiles, and everything is sewn together. everything is done firmly and tightly, what do you know about slaves? kristina you tell the students there, come on, girls 15 meters in a week. and here's the automatic. yes, it will be dishonest in relation to work and to everything, because i still do it through love and through this energy that i want to convey. no, nothing is more pleasant than watching other works look. eh, what's your name?

well, and you already said, probably few people realize that all your work is done by hand. and so, as you noticed, maybe when people find out that all your sculptures are handmade from start to finish. their relationship, of course, the attitude changes immediately. it's just, well, someone's jaw drops. here he is, just like that, right away. you can take a picture with you. and when i came to opening, and i went twice while

the exhibition worked and i stood at work, because there is nothing better than when the authors talk about their work. people. they just go, someone takes pictures, someone comes up to touch. there he will feel inside and be photographed and go on. and i say, this is my job and it’s just that right away there’s a shock, then the next phone gets out to take a picture or starts asking. and what are the guys, what is it, and how is it who did it , it’s hard to imagine, it’s so perfect and large-scale this work, that it’s hand made? true well, it seems that this is some kind of industrial tree. yes installed uh, brought from where? and yes, it is somewhere back. many have told me. what, what 's new? in any way, some kind of design studio. there are big people there and also, when they asked me, well, how

much it costs and called, i don’t tell anyone how much it costs, but they told me such numbers, which , more than the entire belarusian pavilion, were just the cost, but only because of this works. he's so interesting, but the relationship is simple. and how do people see it? you you understand that people see value in this, and the prices are not only in manual work, but in what meaning is laid, what materials are used? which way? what kind of history did this work go through the concept of the tree of knowledge, and it starts from the fact that it is a tree garden, but at the same time it is also very important for his life of the tree of life a symbol of belarusian mythology, which means a connection with the roots with the generations of ancestors and the connection with the future with space with that mm. what hope for the future generation would you dare to assess christians this love. and i would not want

to do it myself, because in principle. well , any work of art is really priceless. it's just that the questions of the market are already going on, to whom what, how more profitable, how to present it all. and in general, the idea of ​​what is done by hand, it is now, it was especially relevant, and the dock of the species is even now, especially when the time of artificial intelligence began and the question arises not only made by a person or by machine, but even made invented by a person and made by a person and passed through the hands and how much energy is in it and how much sense it immediately appears it's just i think that this is a trend that will be for a very long time, playing and we will be more, and you talk a lot about it. isn't it artificial intelligence? now the trend is artificial intelligence, on the one hand, on the other hand , it is confronted in art. what? even

more begins the emphasis on man-made, hand-made. i don't think it's started yet. can you feel it acutely? as an artist, curators like master confrontation? really? everything, on the contrary, in simplification, of course, is going on now. well, i see, it's still how these two such lines begin, and such very important ones. and yes, perhaps, just people who are more, for example, technology-related in life or well, less about art in general, they think, it seems that here, here it is the answer to everything, but artificial intelligence. yes, a i as an artist a and yes an art critic. i see this guest side. i just see a lot of reactions. and what is happening in the world, as it is now there are projects, but there are new ones, that is, on the one hand, for example, projects of the correct ft, yes, that is, those that are

exhibitions there, yes or exhibitions? completely in an online format that takes place or virtual reality, where you don’t even need to do anything in the material, but on the other hand, as the opposite. behind such scales, even more attention is intensified to the fact that this was done by man. something was done with some historical techniques, which, perhaps, were there in the 18th century, but were practiced there for 50 years and forgotten, and now again restore. and this is our story. well, let's remember your very first sculpture on a biblical theme, this is the creation of eve, and how? it seems to me that it is already beginning to appear, but the outlines of anxiety. she is precious to you. this is work. she is very important to me. this was the nineteenth year and i did this work especially for the uralskaya three. find in new art. i have never done this, and the topics are related to the description. but then in that exhibition there was a condition that the creation of the world. this was the theme concepts. i thought, i'll take the creation

of eve as a topic about which. well, practically no one talks about, everyone knows the creation of adam by michelangelo, for example, this fragment from his creation of the world. uh, somehow in the sistine chapel, and here it turns out, that's the theme of feminism on the one hand, but for me it doesn't matter. it is not as important as it is possible for someone else for me, this theme of love was more important, and here they are, how the next will consist of one. well, you can trace it in the image , so this work was at my polaroid exhibition just in the nineteenth year personal exhibition. yes, and when they saw her, and the organizers of the pavilion told me directly. here we want only 10 m, and so that it is a tree. that's right under the color in texture. it is clear that in the process of work. i strengthened the facts, because there was needed even more this action of emphasis on handmade, it is noteworthy that these topics are somehow connected, because the tree of knowledge

is a topic that i immediately identified. she, as it were , is also about the same thing, this is also a continuation of the story of adam and eve on the one hand. this tree in the garden of eden. and how, ra, is the garden of eden, the tree from which here is the tree of knowledge, which gives knowledge to everything that from volunteering you have not already chosen a topic. yes, and the theme chose me idiot, but such. yes , of course, it turns out hmm in life and helps to achieve. generally significant results. in general, well, in general, this topic is very important, of course, and then everything coincided so. somehow fate. and here, let's see more examples of your work and a question. in this regard, when at the exhibition e, the viewer passes by. here is your work and says, well, yes, schizophrenia. how do you react to it laughing or crying? well, it makes me smile a lot.

well, on the one hand, it's nice, i heard a different conversation, somehow it was once upon a time i heard what they said, for example. well, that's it, they 're showing off now. all these artisans come up with something for themselves, or sometimes i just see that people stop for photos or touch them. now, when they touch it, it is also a very good sign for me that this is tactility, really. yes, the tactility of textiles. she, but something made a man a patriot. yes, i want produce different words, craftsman. do you consider yourself an artist or a craftsman? there are different ones too about it. here this topic can be in different directions, but leave, but i am an artist, this is a professional artist, and we have no other tasks to do, eh? qualitatively, for example, to repeat how it was there handbrake, how it was done 100 years ago, and the artist, he still sets the idea, the idea, which is about

modernity, and the world, the idea that the viewer should. well, to something, but how to prompt a thought, that is, for some reason to think it, and in which direction it will be this artist decides, but i consider myself a conceptual artist, that is, for me a concept, and my works - this is the first basic i do not just because i wanted to make such a form, for example. well, for example, my form is very, and they are so natural at the same time abstract, because the abstraction hmm, in my opinion, is unique in general for the manifestation, because we can everyone can finish both with how he feels, sees and especially now is the time when a spectator. he did not just look apart and go, but he takes part, he maybe even turn this whole message of artists in the other direction. this will also be

very valuable. well, let me show you a collage that i made while scrolling through your instagram and i think everything is clear here. well, you take from nature all the best is cut off all unnecessary, if you paraphrase something like this, a well-known phrase or express it in textiles. yes, class, i really like one in the photo flipping through the second, then i think that his wife saw the same thing in a slightly different color. yes, i and in general the theme of trees is nature. she for me very important. it is interesting that i did not immediately see that i had trees, people began to talk to me. horses also make some trees, but i didn’t see this until they began to pay attention to me. what did you think you were doing? and i had my own some abstract deep themes there. for example , what was now blue is work, but

far outside. this is part of the inside outside series. it consists of four parts , it was still yellow before that, and on a white background, and for me it was an idea. she started with yellow at the beginning, that this is the inner world into which we are immersed. the yellow color is the color of mental thoughts. and that when we go deep into our thoughts, we begin to dig into the past, maybe in some kind of anxiety experiences. here it is black begins to eat away from you and now it goes down from the yellow, like a well into the black, but it is white. well, as if you are also closing something from the world. here is some of my own experiences. and this is about the inside, and the outside. this one was blue. and she is for me like oskol yes, somewhere an image, maybe, like, when hmm lightning hits a tree. it's splitting like that, so in this work the idea is that humanity is constantly looking for new

technologies. well, it follows science. that is, we are trying to know the universe to know the unknowable and constantly. this is such a cycle. here, we have opened something new, but new positions. and it expects new questions, then we open it again. well, this is how science moves, but the tree appears. look, the lightning splits it, so you couldn't help but inevitably encounter this form. and yes now there is a tree identifications can do it, but in minsk people will see the recognitions. and he is interesting, the story is in the sense that and now the fabrics are tapestries. these are the ones we talked about, and they are kept in my studio at home. ah, these 70 m² of tapestry, and the fact is that when the budget for the construction was laid, the pavilion was not budgeted for the fact that the tree would be transformed back in

belarus. so, this question turned out to be a side, but she herself had to face the choice of what to save and she decided in this nine-meter magnificence to save her the tapestries, which she has spent more than two and a half years of her life and now they are not in demand, lie in the workshop. although it seems to me, well, i’ll take it upon myself to say that this is a crime, because in any shopping center, instead of arranging some kind of christmas tree artificially and annually, you can make a good one once, and the installation and the one that wins, by the way , wins yes for the first time at dubai expo 22. yes, we won. prize-winning belarus in principle and keep this beauty at home this is a crime. but we'll think about it let's break for a while. we have a telegram channel. say dumb. subscribe give questions and suggest guests we are in touch. on

the air say it again, don't be silent. and today our guest is associate professor of the department of arts and crafts and costume of the belarusian state academy of arts kristina vysotskaya and we promised to tell you about where in minsk you can see your works of christian and i remembered that once the national art museum directly against the backdrop of the most famous painting unequal marriage. i saw these here bizarre forms of your authorship. and i must say that the ambiguous reaction, in general, in the property was it was brave of you . maybe tell a little bit what kind of project is the form of love, and the form of love, this is a series of these stylish sculptures. it consists of four e works, and for me it was important here to show how i see, and in what forms, well, actually with the name

, maybe, e love to come out of it, for example , maybe, here for me it’s very, but some like first love, right? feeling like this a feeling immediately arises in a person. here i have this, what kind of blue green? yes, this is a story from school they read that it is very gentle, that's just barely a touch there. yes, i’m walking in this, i’m afraid to take a hug by the hand. and i'm my ashki. yes, here it is through the light green color. and maybe orange light. i am very light for me is important. or for example, red passion, scarlet colors. they are so very heavy twisted that this is love. it's just when everything inside burns out. or, for example, when you love so much that it suffocates. that's when it's already twists begin. and when someone has more than some kind of pressure, or one or two people begin to break, as if some one starts stronger, but it can still be, no matter how conscious, that is, it’s not even on purpose. a person can

express himself. well, there can be such moments, and so i brought out four of these forms for myself and showed them in this series. and i was invited here for this project. it was he who passed the national museum in the twenty-first year and the idea was that young people were invited to the classical halls of the national museum sculptors, their works were placed in such interesting situations in space. and here hmm is just a form of love opposite unequal marriage. eh, i think it's the perfect combination. maybe i wouldn’t even come up with it, because they also called me from the national one and said that they were upset, there are just all the forms. yes. and you also foresaw them in those strongly, but some of your colleagues said that you came up with a vulgar one. well, let's say they were scared, as you think. well, here, i don't know who that's exactly what he said. well, who understand? the fact is that this is a general action and everyone sees it. and

what i say, yes, everyone thinks he sees me with his promiscuity. that's for sure. for example, i don’t see the past in this, that is, it’s just that our brain just finishes the action, as it thinks. and what do you think, do all works of contemporary art require explanation by the author? conceptual art, yes, an explanation is required and this is one of the positions. why are labels hung, for example, with concepts? because now it's still time when a if you make a picture where everything is immediately clear, it will be an advertisement , it will be, uh, some very functional story. and yet we are. well, art, it should develop. it should provide food for thought. it may, perhaps, be more primitive, but here the question is what is art, that is, for we must adapt to different levels of intelligence,

after all, art is high art, it must carry a high bar, to which the viewer needs to catch up, but there is moment distortions, when denial begins, that i do not understand this, then this is bad. well , christina will say at any time far from the art of a person, and so i will twist the lace. what is this art? yes, but you probably come across, of course, what is here? how to open your eyes? where to start at all, well, to pronounce, at least creative meetings with the artist? it is very useful when a can directly tell his vision here. and of course. now, by the way, it has become a popular story when people go to art courses. that's when art history is there, for example, for 10 pm. yes , to put it bluntly, it's great. this is an indicator that there is a need, what people wonder is that when i see when people read there more reading age. yes, they write that

it is lazy people who go to such courses. and that they see nothing in it. they find. well, yes, two of them are so big for me, you can have a glass half full and half empty, that is, how to look at everything. i still want to look at it from a positive point of view. well, how do you react? what about these things? as vika said correctly, that i will also twist the lace, she says, try to convey your point of view to convince the person and already let go , there will always be those who will not like you and there will always be those who will support you. if everyone likes you. it seems to me that this means that these are questions for us, that is, it means there is no growth and no development, because art. in fact, it must go ahead, it must be ahead of the times, if only a little bit, and ask questions that can maybe they'll get there a little later, but they

'll get there anyway. that's how uh can be a very banal example of a vangologist. but everyone knows wang. now, yes, he is there on any cup you can find sunflowers. that is, even if people do not know that this is van gogh, they know that these sunflowers are yellow, well, or starry night, for example hmm and if you think about what life situations van gogh encountered when he lived that he was supported by e brother, essence completely and he, well , lived in very difficult conditions, because everyone said that no one recognized this, because that what he took in the open. writes in yellow. yes, how can we mix everything here and work in the workshops, and he went into the field. well, the most important thing is that against the background of what you say, you are very lucky. christina that there were connoisseurs of what you do, you understand, that is, people somehow responded about it. yes, their vision of your work. here is what you think, good luck, so there can be a lot of creative facts here, but luck is luck

fate. eh, it's time. well, somehow somehow it’s still scary when the artist worked life, for example, from him he dies and about him. only then do i begin to speak, and happiness for an artist, when he is alive, how he is appreciated, then, look, you predicted just recently. this is what the birth will be for this era of textiles, and indeed, after covid, we all wanted the warmth of comfort, as we say, and now you are still a new prediction, how are you doing? what is handmade? and yes , it's all handmade. she will be in demand. yes, but it will be here. uh, there will be handmade here on one side, which can go to ultra handmade. we don't even know what, that is, it's very. well, that is, there can be quite quite such aykhaizm. such very natural materials, quite only natural or only those that are ecologically grown on this farm

and dyed only an environmentally friendly injury, what are the jokes, but in fact this is already happening, but on the other hand the other, as it were again -the same. who returned to you, but it is important on the other hand, as a collaboration with artificial intelligence, for example , collaborations with e, digital machines digital jackets in places that come from somewhere and there are any patterns of any complexity and printing and any surfaces and fibers, and when it is woven and the color changes and the pattern or, for example, soft screens. they are also woven. in fact. this is also a fabric only from filament materials. ah, here are the new technological materials. and these are such parallel worlds. that is , it will not be like this, but i like it. here it is at the junction of balancing. it seems to me that you should not go into one and be like that that's just a tyrant, that's just it should

be. it seems to me that in general it is so open that everything has the right to exist, it can exist at the same time classically gabelin according to all laws , what else alexander akishchenko will be, and this is normal, but he can easily exist, and soft sculpture, at least at least uh, then what do i do, if you go with what do the chinese, for example, chinese artists of modern textiles, they work with cutting-edge materials quietly there they have nanofibers. it's moving there. maybe even sensitive lights are inserted there. hmm, there is also electronics there , which reacts to movement, for example, you went and the fabric moved on often passed by only and it's normal when i see these dresses that change lighting. yes, that is, it came out daytime in one color. it is on the tax reacts to lighting then in general it is, of course, fantastic. we have not yet reached

such miracles. maybe you are good christina what do you think, but i think that we just have our own way, yes, and you have your own author's course, and you you teach the belarusian state academy of arts a once every 2 years yes, i answer yes, yes, we recruit once every two years, six people and a 5. there is no training, but next year it will be four years, now it is decreasing. uh, i just wanted to draw your attention to the comments of your instagram subscriber, she wrote that i studied at the department of costume. but now i thought that textiles are no less interesting, they say, so many interesting techniques have become used for the art of textiles. do you agree with subscriber? i agree, of course, it's not very pleasant when i get such feedback more and more often and even from my classmates. i hear that they would like to study at the department now and that i would be their teacher. i am very pleased. yes, because christina allows

her students to do everything and even participate in exhibitions. yes, you now have the opportunity to present to the strong bouquet that the festival is taking place in minsk, just the same, your students are working, and hmm, we talked the day before with the girls and it's amazing how they already think they think both in space and in volume, and i taught them from christians to formulate the concept in one paragraph, because today modern artists are nowhere without it. well, uh, i understand correctly that this festival, belarus, is the only opportunity for realization of a textile bouquet. ah, well, there aren't really, uh, many textile exhibitions, but, uh, it's the only exhibition of this format. firstly, it has an open acceptance of applications and is unique in that it brings together professional artists. and just such a master craftsmen. that's what we've been talking about they said here the idea is to

somehow push them together. uh, in the same space, or at least in neighboring rooms. yeah, this is a unique project, there are simply no analogues, but in fact, not everyone unambiguously relates to it either. from time to time i hear from my own artists that it's not quite professional to do this. well, why not now is the time for the experiment? when, on the contrary, it is interesting to show in a different way, but how to do it professionally, so that tapestries? yes we have an artists union and we are the only members of the union we will show such, as it were, well, in this regard, this is a very interesting project, and it has been in its fifth year. i am in it, and in the expert council from the first year. so, when it was just opened , i was immediately invited, but to be, and to participate in the jury at the lights out, and now the fifth year. and they invite me. this is such a very good tradition, and it seems to me that a good

trend that your main students see. well, how would the practical implementation of his further for well, what bar should the artist have, if he takes it, then he will be able to to work at any enterprise and in what year to be a member of the union of artists, because that's not the point. the point is to awaken ideas in the artist. in general , at least one thought, yes, uh, for the sake of which it would be worth getting up in the morning and going to work. they stamp. it seems to me that the same thing is very tiring, of course, and and here i just decided for myself, when i just started working at the department, i have been working for 8 years that i will give my students a sharpening, i didn’t have it, that i don't uh-huh that that didn't give me on department and i continue to do so. i just got to everything myself. uh, before participating in exhibitions, before how to submit these applications at all,

the teachers suggested something to me, but it wasn’t like we are all friendly now. here is an exhibition. let's go for her. here , let's get involved. that's all somehow it was somewhere someone did not say something. you are kind of random. that’s how i learned the internet didn’t work like that, but now i’m just already i am very well versed in what is happening not only in belarus in this regard, but also ah, well, the international textile community and i can kind of help my students not to pass. this is the difficult path that, well, i had to go through myself, and when they left the academy, they are already better than me than i was, because they know what i came to with very great difficulty. you are doing a very great job. in my opinion, it is very cool that they are so simple for you.