not yet offered. instead, the summit participants intend to accept a multi-year package of assistance to kiev in order to bring its army to nato standards. in the center of paris , a real massacre unfolded when the police tried to disperse the migrant camp on place royale , illegal immigrants, and there were about 700 of them who did not want to leave their tents and clashed with the security forces, they were supported by volunteers created in the uk by an ngo, utopia 56, which operates throughout france earlier. this the same ngo contributed to the seizure by illegal immigrants of an empty school in the sixteenth arrondissement of paris . now they have moved to the square, where the state councils are located, the highest administrative court of france, demanding asylum from the french state. these are the main news for this hour, and already at 15:00

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the life of each of the life of the country, and the main events of world politics. we'll tell you this week. you died right now at the age of 87. silvio berlusconi former prime minister of italy he died in a milan hospital , where he had been treated for blood cancer for some time silvia berlusconi accompanied numerous scandals, and his statement often became the object of sharp criticism. as the italians write, the controversial figure of a politician causes italians either admiration. contempt silvio berlusconi was above all a fighter he was a man who was never afraid to defend his views precisely this courage. this decisiveness made him one of the most powerful people in italian history, prime minister george meloni said. former us president donald

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russia supported egypt's bid to join the brix joining the brix will open wide political and economic opportunities for the egyptians, including increasing their weight in world affairs and participating in the creation of alternative settlement mechanisms to the dollar , according to the ambassador of the russian federation in cairo for this group itself, egypt which simultaneously represents africa and arabic the community is the successor of the most ancient civilization has a very young population. not to mention its strategic position in the world thanks to the suez canal, which will be a very important acquisition. i will start our discussion today with the fact that it is widely known to many that syria and iraq in 2015-2016 were the center of attraction for radical islamists from all over the world for the isis. today , many have forgotten, but islamic fascism has been replaced by quite ordinary fascism, and ukraine has been turned into its main international hub on how war used to create a fascist

international we are talking in today's program, i am glad to welcome alexander ovsyanka to our studio, the general director of cjsc capital television. hello pavellman deputy director of the institute for strategic studies of forecasts candidate of political sciences associate professor. hello. hello. and, of course, it is important that our today's conversation means a traditional blitz poll alexander alexandrovich please tell me you are a person born in the ussr could you imagine imagine that in the 21st century we will talk about ukraine on the territory of the republic of belarus in the context of what exactly is there today? a fascist neo-nazi movement emerged. i could not imagine it, but, in principle, the prerequisites that have been taking place recently in ukraine since 2014 and even earlier indicate that,

in principle, the birth and revival of neo-nazism in ukraine, and it could be, because this contributed to the collective forces of the west. thank you, pavel. your word, honestly speaking of which, for me, the emergence of neo-nazi movements on the territory of modern ukraine was not a big surprise, because i know from the experience of my own family, according to the stories of my grandparents' parents, about ukrainian collaborationism. unfortunately, because of this collaborationism of several of my ancestors, literally. in a sense, they were buried alive there, and it was by no means the germans who did it, but representatives of the local indigenous population, who enthusiastically greeted the nazi troops. and if we could talk on the territory of which former soviet republics appear neo-nazism, the first thing that comes to mind. this, of course, is the baltic states. then ukraine unfortunately. you are so i would like to add oleksandr lazarev, a ukrainian opposition politician and

political scientist, to our broadcast alexander hello. hello syria as a gathering point for islamists, but naturally people with her nazi views, where since 2014 , carriers of her nazi russian views from all over the world have come to study. can we today call azov the same new division of the military in your opinion? i'm here completely i will be categorical and i think that yes, moreover, many international institutions. and even the same western partners, and before the acute phase of the conflict, recognized the same azov as a neo-nazi organization; moreover, if we look at the heraldry, yes, these are organizations. we will see references to the ss there, we will see lightning there. we'll see, uh skull bones. yes, we will see more simply, uh, other things that actually resemble, yes, the same

divisions, we will see how they are, uh, i'm sorry. yes, there they praise hitler yes, and all the rest, it was repeatedly i want to remind you, literally in the twenty-first year in kiev, i laid flowers on may 9 and there were not many, but there were still veterans, and we walked with flowers with our comrades-in-arms, there were veterans, these young men from the azovan from the corps also found and stood nearby, yes, and others rascal organizations, and they zigged in their faces, dear friends. now i can’t imagine, this is not propaganda. i myself saw and testify to this, they zigged in the face of the veterans who liberated ukraine, who shed their blood, which is already deep over 90 and who are going to be laid, saints to their to their brethren, these rascals shouted to them. yes, they played in the face. what can we talk about and their name was the whole edition of the police and we immediately presley, we turned to the police and approached them trying to take them out, but nevertheless

the police said that we were organizing a provocation. not them on may 9th. we are arranging a provocation, as it turned out, that's why what you said here. to the deepest, unfortunately, i completely agree and agree. you know, alexander would like to mention something else. now i will read excerpts from an article by ukrainian opposition politician viktor medvedchuk, which came out not so long ago and was devoted to the topic that we are discussing today begins the collapse of the soviet union and the emergence of an independent ukraine by western politicians and special services. in ukraine, the revival of nazism began to promote its ideas through the introduction of nationalist ideology into the public consciousness of ukrainians, and according to the plans of the west, the nazified ukraine was to become a weapon against russia . the special services of the united states of america claimed that ukrainian nationalism is much stronger in western provinces, but it is not limited to golitsy and as long as there is a nationalist

force. they will support it in order to mobilize it at any time if necessary , and modern ukraine, the modern history of ukraine has shown. projects of western intelligence agencies continue to this day. now i want to add ilya kievu to our broadcast . ilya is a people's deputy of the verkhovna rada of ukraine of the ninth convocation. thank you ilya that you are with us today and i, you personally and the movement of patriots for life led by you. not easy encountered, but actively and often effectively fought on the streets of ukrainian cities with all sorts of non-nazi rabble. i will allow myself a rather rough, but it seems to me, a very accurate expression. is it true to say that the extreme rightists and radicals acted under the roof of the sbu and other law enforcement agencies and thus were part of the state machine of repression. let's

take a look at history. i want to say that not only ukraine but also all post-soviet countries after the collapse of the soviet union were subject to the ideology imposed by the west nazism. i can recall how, uh, in the nineties, russian cities. russian columns went. also zigged. yes , thank god, this was subsequently suppressed by putin. but they still tried to introduce and implement it. unfortunately, the most effective project. it turned out that ukraine yes, there was the fertile soil of that western ukraine that has always supported nazism, as an ideology, today it is the central

ideology of power, because it is a counterweight. to all that slavic world. yes , we can clearly say for ourselves that in our time. in 2013, the right-wing movement was simply bought out, bought out by western curators, no matter how trite it may be, few people know, but earlier these are right. they considered themselves to be of the slavic race. i know too well the history of the right movement. but at some point , the right people from the pentagon appeared and offered money. and this right history began to preach. neo -nazism, yes to the sleeping cell of western ukraine they were already ready for the transition to the new ideology, of course, they were directly supervised by these

organizations of the security service of ukraine yes , indeed, there were physical eliminations of repression, criminal prosecution. to all those who were ready to oppose this nazi ideology with chalk. their hands were tied. they had an indulgence. she is a crime of power, they were used to suppress dissent, after all, who killed the bead, right? who killed the journalist sheremet, because who repaired the reprisals, sowed chaos, because they were very quiet. i absolutely agree aleksandrovich in belarus today the situation is completely different, although ilya kieva and many other experts naturally spoke about this, that the prerequisites were also due to the successful and high-quality work of the belarusian special services. these were the embryos, well, in fact

, the displacement of the territory of the republic of belarus , but when, in your opinion, this is the formation, these prerequisites were already visible. absolutely right, you are nadezhda, i encountered elements of black nazism polotsk 2010-2012 and then i noticed that it was born in a group of young people called football fans, that is, about football party, when young and handsome guys came to one of the institutions in the city of novopolotsk. here we have slides in white t-shirts with the abbreviation 18 88, 14. that is, no one understood what it was, but at the end of this great party, these guys took off their t-shirts and started zigzagging, they have

swastikas and other things that we talked about runes and so on, and then the security forces worked it out very clearly. the most important thing is that these young people who participated in this get-together. and they initially came and preached a healthy lifestyle. not alcohol, physical excellent training good education last feature when they showed themselves when they started trying to register the conscience 18 - these are coded words. the conscience of adolf hitler and thanks to the state system of the state policy that is carried out by our president, our security forces. they cleaned it up very clearly and we saw that these young people were trained precisely in camps in western ukraine, this is zarnitsa, etc., all such games, where under this guise they were imposed neo-nazi

views. please note this was 2010-2011 . plenty of time to get ready, but let's go ahead and put some help on the screen for our viewers. what is this magical combination of numbers 14, 88, please, colleagues. 14/88 is one of the most common nationalist symbols, where 14 means two slogans of david lane , the founder of the american russian group order. first, we must protect the very existence of our people and the future for white children, second, because the beauty of the white aryan woman must not disappear from the face land in english, both slogans consist of 14 words. the number 88 also has two interpretations, one is connected with the first part of the eighth chapter of hitler's book my struggle in the german version there are just 88 words, another 88, and it can mean

a hidden greeting hai hitler , because the letter of the latin alphabet is just very. paul know quite a lot meet. yes , tattoos certain kolovrat swastikas 14.88, and people worship adolf hitler worship the desire to see an exceptionally risky nation, yes, on earth, dominant and at the same time, the current president of ukraine, vladimir zelensky, does not hide his origin of jewish roots. here. how do you think, how it can coexist in one head, you know, this is an amazing paradox of ukrainian society. this is an absolute idea of ​​eclecticism to the word ukrainian neo-nazism. after all, he does not refer directly to the german nazi system of the middle of the 20th century. german nazism. still, he was based on german classical philosophy on german romanticism on nietzsche navager ukrainian is not nazism, he is in his basis has three main aspects. it's

quite true aleksandrovich said the culture of football fans, who are buffed up aggressive guys. they are very convenient to use as. a power fist for all sorts of non-judicial repressions and coup d'etat, the second is 1488 sorry for the quote. white supremacist ideas. true, the ukrainian neo-nazis have not yet decided after all. they are aryans slavs or slavs - this is, by definition, an aryan to the question of the ideological failure of such kind of sentiments and the third is statism. this is the distorted idea of ​​ukrainian russophobic anti-russian statehood, which actually underlies all these neo-nazi movements. today, they are paradoxically not anti-migrant , they are not anti-semitic in nature, as long as the president of ukraine is ethnically jewish, they are precisely sharpened to counteract the russian ethnic group. but this idea

is fundamentally, of course, paradoxically stupid and absurd, because the ukrainian nation russian as putin says, i completely agree with him here. well, this is almost identical to the nation, one people is little russia, white russia, belarus and great russia in this sense, of course, this kind of insinuation looks like an attempt. just instrumentalize the nationalist movement, turning it into a force that will be used to put pressure on russia to crack down on the ukrainian opposition. well , in order to please the west, as soon as these people mentally identify themselves with some kind of general civilizational western mainstream. in fact, all this, of course, upon closer examination, is complete ideologically untenable nonsense. it is molded from what was at hand. but alexander and in your opinion. that's how it happened that the west is civilized. but in this case , you can put a civilized word in quotation marks

openly contributes to the revival of nazism in the center of europe in the 21st century, closing its eyes to what is happening. well, don't leopards with nazi crosses confuse european bureaucrats? in principle, everything is logical, what is allowed to jupiter is not allowed to the bull, yes, and the west has always been guided by such principles when it was beneficial for them. they criticized nazism, when it is beneficial for them, they sponsor and support it. basically, let's remember the year 2004. yes, the first coup d'etat in ukraine when yushchenko was brought to power in an illegal way. then they tried, uh, tried to change. though you at least have elections yes, but the street and the masses, but then they had not yet resorted to the nazis and nationalists, then some kind of liberal idea. here in the thirteenth year, they no longer resorted precisely to the radical ideas that are needed were for their formation of the nucleus of opposition

and the formation of anti-russia. after all, the ultimate goal of all these gestures. west is the formation of anti-russia. this is the concept of hestrategic points in support. yes, the formation of not states around the russian federation for the sake of preventing it from developing and restoring its influence on eastern europe. that is, about this and for life to write. in the ninety- seventh year, in principle, ukraine fell under this concept and was involved, as it was possible to make ukraine anti-russian. of course to raise the idea of ​​golitsy to raise the idea that was nurtured and cherished there. yes, even from time to time. e khrushchev's thaw, when all the arrested bendera were sent back there. and then they, in principle , passed on this ideology from generation to generation, and then from the ninety-first year gradually by western funds and western politicians under a curator. the secret services themselves, they were fed. and in the thirteenth year , in fact, combat

groups and combat battalions were already formed, which were aimed at overthrowing the government. after that they were loaded with more weapons. even more gave them the opportunity to already start a full-scale conflict. in principle, this is a logical strategy, the west and the fact that they are radicals, that they are nazis and so on, nobody cares. they perform the task and west of it well. well, you know, it’s time to remember the 17 moments of spring, as muller said to the eye-scrubber , yes, if after many, many years at some point on the planet, instead of hello we will hear hein, there will begin a renaissance to a huge unfortunately. the west used a radical minority of which 1-2% was in ukraine began the return of these negative tendencies of movements, with which it is time to end. it's time to tie up for the sake of saving an entire people for the sake of salvation could from the civilized west. i now invite all of us

present here to watch the video material prepared by the correspondent simon shustar for the publication of zetime and it was made on the eve. special operation, of course, i think the motivation for conducting a special operation after watching this video is enough understand please many ukrainians tend to see azov not as militants or extremists but as war heroes in kiev the march had signs of the far-right ideology that is so prevalent. in azov, the symbols on their flags caused particular controversy - the emblem of nazism is the official symbol. azov variety wolf cis it was one of the symbols of one of ss divisions during world war ii.

it's one of the more or less common symbols for neo-nazi groups around the world, and it's not just about their symbols. when it was founded by azov in 2014, many of its commanders and recruits came from ukraine's most infamous far-right groups , including outright neo-nazis. well, basically they recruited everyone who could? arms in hand when the ukrainian state was paralyzed, and the defense of the ukrainian state was completely in the hands of the ukrainian volunteers and so there were a lot of guys adventurers who believe that they are on some kind of ideological tour to save, maybe the future of the west, the future of the white race. yes, yes. what worries officials in the west is the recruiting strategy. azov who went out of her way to build friendly relations with far-right groups around the world, especially in the us and europe during my 2019 visit. i spent the whole day at one of

the largest recruitment events in the history of azov, thousands of people came to wear combat sports and outright propaganda. there were tattoos and posters with neo-nazi symbols everywhere, and many in the crowd would prove to be quite receptive to far-right ideology. azov-like events also attract recruits from abroad, one of those whom i met was called. robin he has just arrived in ukraine from sweden where he is wanted for hate crimes. it's so hard to explain to others it's surreal. it's like what you used to read about greater germany in the 1920s. this is a renaissance between european souls and all. this is happening here in ukraine . after that we drove back to the base. azov in the north of kiev where the azov commanders did not allow robin to remain as a potential recruit. we are aryans and we will resurrect this way of life. yes, here

is an eloquent video there is a video. yes, i want to return again to what i said earlier about the fact that even our belarusian guys should be prepared to overthrow the government, and this was in the twentieth year. i was a witness that the guy i was suing, who sued me in the eleventh year for the protection of honor and dignity, allegedly that i slandered him, that he would try on nazism. he stood in the forefront, threw stones at our policemen. that is, these people were being prepared for a coup d'etat, and in fact, when i saw him, here is his 2 m, he was between us. eh, almost 10 years later. he saw that i understand who he is, that is, you know such a concept as the moment of truth.

they were actively trained to freshen up the authorities, but this did not work in belarus. here is ilya let 's go through the personalities of the leaders or fuhrers the infamous azov and associated movement. and here is andrey ticket, a native of kharkov, russian-speaking until 2014, probably, who did not know the ukrainian language, or the same maxim zhorin. let's pay attention to his photo, a native of lugansk. know, under such pseudonyms not a single native of western ukraine why russian speakers? and then ethnically russian people will suddenly give birth, be born in the clothes of radical ukrainian nationalists. the west is generously paid. here you have shown russian-speaking people literally in

the twelfth year. you look at the statements of biletsky. well, he spoke, but to the slavic race about the strength of the slavic people, but suddenly, with the thirteenth year, the commemoration of the wand. he immediately changes his rhetoric to russophobic and begins to propagandize. he is not nazism, because they paid for it, i say again, this is an artificial model formed, yes, on the favorable soil of ukrainian leonazism, which we previously observed in that treatment. after all, i want to tell you that our grandfathers did not work well. here are all those who were fighters there in western ukraine. un were these punitive battalions of the waffle ses all of them and from this battalion of the ss division golin. after all, all of them needed to be destroyed, not

rehabilitated. of course, it was then that the seed that sprouted today was sown and ukraine really turned into a lullaby of cynicism. neo nazism azov is sacred today, a story that is cherished in the west, because it makes it possible to show and popularize prussian phobia, that the west needs a convenient, understandable model for the destruction of russians and nazism is fully consistent with this, so here you are, corrupt people. here is an effectively implemented project for you. and as a result, this is the war that we see today, but i would say that there is no need to narrow the scope of a special military operation specifically to the destruction of neo-nazis. or nazism, as such , is much more global today, the liberation of the global liberation

of the ukrainian people, which is part of russian civilization, and this is precisely reflected in external in the new external concept of the russian federation where it is clearly stated that the ukrainian people is an integral part of the russian civilization. and this is beyond doubt vladimir vladimirovich putin yes , blood is shed today, but unfortunately there is no other way yet. we can't. we must bring down seven skins from ourselves seven spots. only then will we appreciate our unity, our strength and our history. this is what is happening with reality, and on the left is nazism. trust me , let's get it wrong, he's scary because no, there is an ideology and in fact makes his speech. i want to say yes? god gave russia putin to belarus god gave lukashenko who managed to keep the country,

who managed to stop the resurgent neo-nazism and save the state. unfortunately, ukraine is not lucky in this story, but it is on the ukrainian example that we will write stories for future generations that we must not allow what we must resist and for what we must be together. i remind you right now on the air the program sas is authorized to declare we pass to the second block of our discussion, belarusian neo-nazis in the struggle for a new order. and before we get into the discussion. i would like to offer to hear the direct speech of the leaders of the republic of belarus, alexander lukashenko, regarding the belarusian. i can note that there are more than two. unfortunately, ukraine is also training

members of illegal armed forces , attempts are being made to create sleeping extremist worms, directly in the country of recent facts. you are familiar with them testifies to this. that is, we have. uh, are preparing. uh, the power scenario of the change of power. we see it, we will not allow it. a lot is said today about the security of the republic, belarus yes, and in general the union state, and you know, after our discussion today, i came to the conclusion that if we can talk about a possible invasion, then they will obviously not be the first to run here, but people who consider themselves to her nazis are the same belarusian nazis, about whom we have already spoken, who are now fighting on the territory of ukraine and are clearly dreaming. yes , definitely more advanced here. here. let's

let's pay attention. in the photo, belarusian fans of the football club dinamo from left to right igor yankov andrei travtsevsky vitaly pigarev pumov. today they are fighting on the territory of ukraine, why is it difficult for money, how to resist this today? how to preserve the youth of we, after all, colossal work was carried out after the victory of the great patriotic war, and now, they are still taken. here are the characters. these people work for money. what do you think, is it really only material benefit only care about money? they have cornered themselves now they have nowhere to go and they use them as cannon fodder they are used in order to, as you say , allow some. revenge in the republic of belarus but the twentieth year, but this will not happen, they

are all under the control of the security forces. what can we say about belarus about counteraction, because what happened in ukraine and in general is happening in the world, then we have the policy of the state and at the referendum we adopted our constitution , where it is clearly stated that we remember the historical memory of the great patriotic war. we are erecting monuments, we are reverent and careful about our veterans. we are sensitive to burial places. we honor this memory every third, belarus died. we understand that there were not only regular troops in belarus, but also a large number of subscribers and partisans. this genetic memory is very much alive here and here in belarus , unlike all of this europe, and in russia, too , they honor and do not demolish the monuments of the great patriotic war . that is, we instill it and leave it in the memory of our younger

generations. who is who but tell aleksandrovich one more question. is it not one of the problems of the situation that has developed today that in soviet times they hushed up the topic of collaborationism, which pavel spoke of soviet citizens, including during the war years, and we perceived it. tragedies are the same babi yar or the colossal horrific tragedy of khatyn and exclusively, as the work of the germans alone, but this is not so. it’s not like that, ilya was absolutely right that exactly, when there was an amnesty in the fifty-third year, oops, they were simply released and not began to occupy certain positions in the same ukraine and in order not to sow some kind of chaos in the soviet union - it was precisely this grain that began to be silent and sprouted, but the whole situation is that we now know that all these punitive operations that were carried out and the genocide of the belarusian people who during

the great patriotic war. these were nationalists, both ukrainian and baltic. we are talking about houses. we already know all this very well, playfully and secrecy was removed from it. if this matter, of course, had not been hushed up during the years of the soviet union, perhaps that is, a situation that would not have happened in ukraine now. but then this was facilitated by the elites of that time, who tried to keep peace in the soviet union , i would say so. here alexander is really fascism. yes, neo-nazism is universally evil, there is no people immune from this virus. i think you will agree with me. well, how to deal with this problem. yes, i completely agree with you. yes, remember the soviet song. yes, there is no such family in russia, wherever there is no memory of your hero, yes, and here in russia in belarus, in principle, ukraine is talking about the soviet about the soviet people. after all, our

ancestors gave in life. uh, every family. there is a hero from his lost truth who reached berlin, there are those who were not lucky, and they died before they died, giving their lives for our freedom from our future and the fact that the western intelligence agencies of the country use national nationalist issues to ensure that the country split from pri - this is an idea, unfortunately. she's stara, she's efficient in many ways. she it was effective in yugoslavia, because in the same way the kosovo issue was raised, and in this way they ruined yugoslavia, in addition to economic issues there. yes, but this is for the political games that the western intelligence services have always played into the hands. therefore, in order to fight this, it is necessary to cultivate the idea of ​​a state, which is not built on nationalism. not on the nation, but on the people, first of all, on social benefits , on brotherhood, on common values, on a common history and common future, on a common aspiration

, not on the aspiration of a separate nation. after all it is clear that many countries are multinational - this is normal and countries should be a home for a nation and peoples, but you can’t pump out one thing to a huge one, unfortunately, this is a political issue. in ukraine, it has always been used for a split. you will remember politicians always played. electoral preferences have always tried to do here with western ukrainians. it's first class. yes, there is central ukraine second, and the southeast. eh, russian or not? this is the third grade. this is modern yushchenko technology. but, if we delve into history, then we are right let's remember what happened under khrushchev. and if we go even earlier, we will remember when the catholicization of western ukraine took place. yes, it was the golitsy and they hated the poles because they carried out the catholicization, and also hated the russians because they remained with their faith. that is, this issue is being dragged out by publishers, but it is necessary to occupy these problems, but to our great regret, in order

to stop it, you need to change this top, which exists in ukraine and has been for 30 years. after all, those politicians who were in power. they on the contrary, they stuck it out and did everything to make this issue rise sharply and split the people, but in no case did it fall down, therefore, to all, uh, our friends yes, to all countries , brotherly people. the only advice is to conduct the correct ethnopolitics and never focus on the national specifically, you need to focus on the people's question and on the common future and common past. thank you very much alexander. and pavel has a question for you , including collectibles, again, i would like to talk today about problematic issues, so the question may seem harsh enough, but i can't help but ask it. like a person in belarus, i have a new one. involuntarily, a question arises. why in belarusian cities there are streets named after kostus kolyanovsky, it is not by chance that radical

nationalists took his name for their stick kalinovsky was an outright russophobe. we saw the belarusian lands only as an autonomy within the restored commonwealth. pavel nadezhda i think that the subject of belarus is expressed by aleksandrovich. i want to emphasize one very important point. here we said that that at a certain stage of soviet history the crimes of collaborators were hushed up? absolutely right? unfortunately, now this is not being talked about as widely as it should be, but it is very important to separate healthy nationalism and criminal neo-nazism at the conceptual level. what is nationalism in the best sense of the word. it is a desire to preserve identity. these are patriotic sentiments. this is protectionism. healthy nationalism is expressed by the desire to preserve one's culture one's identity one's faith to gain political representation within existing institutions and to live as the people deem proper to be right for themselves. these are the channels

of expression of conventional normal healthy nationalism. they are also needed. otherwise, there will be fertile ground for the transformation of nationalism into non-nazism. and by the way, that is why in russia, in response to the request of our society, amendments were made to the constitution and the concept appeared there for the first time two years ago. state-forming people and today we openly use the wording state-forming nation or the titular nation, when this nation feels confident, then other nations with it, but get along within the framework of these healthy inter-confessional and interethnic relations. this is normal, especially for such a political society as the russian one, as regards the tools to prevent the development of nationalism into neo-nazism. that is, here, as quite right, colleagues said. we need to withdraw funding. it is necessary to hit the structures. here we talked about the fact that the west supported ukrainian nazism and neo-nazism completely

right. the wrong policy has been implemented, at least since the twenties of the last century. why because they were ready to support, even the devil himself, even the devil, even any cannibals. if only they were anti-communists. remember how franklin roosevelt in 1939 about the latin american dictator samoso said that he was a son of a bitch, of course. well it is, but this is the truth of the current ukrainian neo-nazis. they can say the same thing, and i said that russia was lucky with president putin, and belarus with president lukashenko, i agree, but i will also add luck that us e in russia in belarus today there are no oligarchic regimes. here, unlike ukraine in ukraine, uh, the nationalist movement receives funding not so much from the west as from their oligarchs, who raised these guys, fed them on the street, paid them literally for classes in the gyms, where they strengthened their physical fitness and built up muscles in

literally and figuratively in order to use them at the right time, and colleagues quite rightly said that these there were also phenomena in russia that we openly talk about our problems to make a secret out of this. i remember very well moscow in the mid -2000s, where people walking with their hair color even in the center at night was a very risky business, because skinheads were marching, because the okolofutbol movement was extremely radical right. uh, but pay tribute to president putin to the russian security forces. they did not allow something more to grow out of this, although even in the oligarchic near the powerful. uh, circles, people were spinning who said, let's go let's turn this into our loyal base of support, hold russian marches, take people to the manege square. uh, people in russia remember some clashes. there , we will use it as an anti-migrant movement, but in

the end, the president and his advisers and law enforcement agencies. eh, i’ll tell you, they drove all this shaven-headed brother right with an iron hand, far under the rug. here, there are no others, and those are far away. this is the best example for others who are thinking or maybe joining this kind of organization. there are such bastards the russians, the volunteer corps, which are fighting for ukraine today, are a banned terrorist neo-nazi group, uh, it has 150 people. only 150 people , from all over big russia, were recruited, but , by the way, to the question of how they fight, they are azov fighters. they are not the first to attack. they try to send the unfortunate mobilized peasants to be slaughtered, while they themselves perform the functions of blocking detachments at best and shoot them in the back. quite right. yes, therefore, what is the best way to counteract the first clean up at the level of street names, uh at the level

of national heroes. if those are still listed somewhere, and as important figures, but the most important thing is to cut off the channels of financing from the oligarchs from the west and literally. in a sense, there will be no structures to burn out their structures physically and organizationally, there will be no leaders , no neo-nazi organizations will arise. my question i understand that is not easy. but after all, the same kastus kalinovsky who saw the belarusian lands only as autonomy as part of the restored commonwealth here what to do when such historical dilemmas arise to honor the memory of everyone and this is our history, accordingly, our history arises. well, we have a worldly castle nesvizh castle to us, which is the same only to abandon this story. i think that history should be treated. sincerely. and we need to draw conclusions from this story, based on the current situation. yes, in

our country, as was said, there are no oligarchs. in addition, we have nclo, funded by the same soros, were suppressed by our president. we didn't have those finances such organizations, but history must be treated. sincerely, due to the fact that there is inadequate, to put it mildly, people are militants, they took it to their flags. well, these are their problems, let's say thank you very much alexander alexandrovich and, of course, we prepared a small plot in more detail on the screen. let's watch together ukraine has become a stronghold for neo-nazis from all over the world, and local authorities are primarily to blame for this. indeed , back in march last year, the kiev regime began a large-scale campaign to attract foreign volunteers, many of whom representatives of ultra-right views responded to kiev's appeal not only by foreign citizens from far abroad. well, sauce.

the post-soviet space, including from belarus many so-called football fans and nationalists left the country back in 2020 after an unsuccessful coup attempt, at the same time belarusian and ukrainian ultra-right radicals began to communicate closely, exchanging experiences and even went to visit each other for protests shares one of the most famous divisions of belarusians in ukraine, polklinovsky, it immediately included many well-known belarusian opposition activists. for this reason, this unit performs not so much the military. how many propaganda tasks in numerous interviews that are actively given by military personnel, the commanders of the kalinovsky regiment , there are practically no references to hostilities. on the other hand, there are many discussions about the future of belarus and the moods within the belarusian society in self-defense units. in ukraine, many football fans have also joined. one of them is the ex-leader of the fan movement. dynamo minsk vitaliy puma , five more belarusian fans left with him,

including igor yankov andrei trotsky and vitaliy igoriev. real thugs, just real thugs, here is ilya here is how , according to your information , azov’s interaction with belarusian neo-nazis from the korenovsky regiment and the so-called russian volunteer corps is organized, and to what extent western intelligence services are involved in coordinating the actions of these units today. look, let's so i want to tell you that this does not carry, i want to immediately mass character calm down. here, uh, the russian volunteer corps, or there polkalinovsky, as they call themselves, they actually call themselves there. it's just a cover of 10-20 maximum person. u freaks. well, listen, well , at any stage there is an ugly sheep, but whatever it is , you understand, therefore, these 10-20 people who put an emblem on you and who

shout that we are belarusians or we are russians. this is just an element of propaganda , you know, to which yes, we really have to respond that azov has become the hub of what ukraine is today is indeed the renaissance cradle. the revival of neo-nazism. i spoke about this, but today there is a state program that contributes to this in every possible way, because he is told that the oligarchs directly finance such organizations. yes everything is correct. and who created the oligarchs, and who gave the oligarchs to develop? this is again the program of western intelligence services to dismember society and form russophobic sentiments. and this will continue as long as there is under control west. a criminal regime that allows ukrainian society to be controlled and manipulated.

yes poroshenko yes zelensky ladies at one time a bloodhound they were allowed to come to power through coups through manipulation, and they created a similar situation in the renaissance, probably, nazism where individual, bastards, bastards from all over the world flock and there are british and americans. yes, of course, well, there are belarusians, there are russians, but this is not widespread . i tell you again. it's just a strategic manipulation. why because even in the twenty-first year, i, as the leader of the anti-fascist movement, gathered thousands of young people, and we walked through the streets of kiev without fear of anyone, because in this case , there are millions of grandchildren of the heroes of the soviet union, grandchildren of the heroes of the victors like me. we honor we remember, but today we were forbidden to do it and in spite of everything. we are ready to resist and fight, we will destroy the criminal

terrorist regime of zelensky, we will liberate the brotherly ukrainian people and the primordially russian land. we will stop any possibility of the emergence, probably, we will level nazism the system of the educational process, the change from nationalism to patriotism, and we will no longer play in this democracy. our task is to educate the future strong generation, saturated with patriotic history. our victorious past, which has always resisted evil. this is such a concept. this is my position and this is my goal. thanks ilya if there was an opportunity to overturn 50 g. i would do it for the victory for our victory. you know, dear colleagues. today we are accustomed to the horror of the position of the west, but fortunately there are adequate honest people among them. i would like you and i to hear

the position of the mep clairdale, or the mep for ireland, i hear. shouts of support are safe here thousands of miles from the front line. i think that it would be useful for us to know what ordinary ukrainians are going through. it has been established that the command in ukraine is sent to fight at the front of inexperienced soldiers without proper training. conflict it is necessary to think more about peace and dialogue. you disgusting generals are sitting here and forcing these people to go to their deaths. i am glad that such a position, bold, wise, balanced, still finds a place within the walls of the european parliament. we are forced to complete our program. therefore, for each participant in today's discussion, the final word, alexander alexandrovich, taking into account all the mistakes that have occurred in ukraine in

the republic of belarus, we arrange very painstaking work with the younger generation. we remember that we are the descendants of the victors of the great the patriotic war in the war over nazism and we treat this very clearly and carefully , nazism in belarus will not pass. thank you. pavel we still in russia have fraternal feelings for the ukrainian people. i want the belarusian audience to hear this, because it is important for us to hurt for them, we are sad. for them it is hard for us to watch how their blood is shed, but unfortunately, all those terrible neo-nazi formations that we are talking about will be disposed of in the furnace of this armed conflict, and as i rightly said ilya, the end of this difficult tragic story in many respects can only be the change of the neo-nazi pro-western regime. in kiev , after which the true cultural

denocification of ukrainians will begin. i think that this kind of sentiment will disappear with this oligarchic pro-western regime very quickly, because the real ukrainians are our relatives. the most important thing is to free them from this pernicious influence of pressure and blackmail from outside. thank you for your position ilya is alone in the slavic family today, brother. damn, you know that the task is to save the ukrainians really are. in slavery colonized the west and this is a huge problem, because we are not a single whole organism today, damn it, it hurts terribly, and we need to be saved. i am more than sure that today's confrontation and the sacrifice that we bring, we bring

for the sake of the future of our generations in the name of the world that will surely come and in the name of the force that will be reborn within the framework of our trinity. thank you. ilya alexander, i want to address the ukrainians, dear ukrainians. this will all be over soon not for long and really all this is a gang that mocks you, which plunders your money, which sends your children to certain death, will flee from the side. and the people will live, uh, a happy life with a bright future, but without western influence and without kiev food, which is now mocking you. it will soon be incredibly grateful to all the participants in today's discussion for a frank and extremely important conversation. today we discussed an acute and difficult topic. that's how someone opened

a time portal and german tanks are burning in the steppes of ukraine and nearby are bodies with a tattoo in the form of a swastika greeting heil hitler probably this should not be so shocking, fascism will always attract those who believe that a place in the sun is necessary for themselves, and they will fight with violence against their neighbors, while there are already in the lakes and fascists, and among any peoples and fight. with this evil it is necessary, first of all, through the upbringing of their children, the kindness of empathy and mercy , hitler, too, could become just an artist. thank you it was a program sasna is empowered to state. ukraine turned into a base of the fascist international everything

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