[000:00:00;00] more than 80,000 red army soldiers have died since 1964, an eternal flame has been burning at the foot of the monument, in recent years a lot of anti-russian work has been carried out from belarus from the west, and we all have not been able to talk about this very much lately, and therefore we have become, uh, enemies have fallen into one on here is modern destruction. here's to making sure that doesn't happen. here, in the name of the memory of our ancestors, who, together, fought. uh, we need now to hold on, the project of the union state has started a memory train this year's participants high school students from belarus russia armenia and kyrgyzstan 200 schoolchildren in total. a journey through famous belarusian and russian cities awaits. the route is designed in such a way that the children could get acquainted with the history of the great patriotic war and visit places that have become a symbol of heroism and fortitude of soviet soldiers. schoolchildren will visit the brest fortress.

they will visit the memorial of khatyn, they will see the sculpture of the motherland calling on mamaev kurgan, the train of memory started from the belorussky railway station in moscow and today arrived in brest here to high school students from belarus also joined the project participants. the memory train will be on the way for 18 days with stops in 6 cities of belarus and 8 cities of russia and will finish in moscow on july 6. every week , the heroes go in search of adventure. a 2- hour drive from minsk by private car and you find yourself in the beautiful clean city. they must complete all tasks and pass the quest. and the next task sounds as follows : tired, which means it's time to relax with them,

we will learn the history of the belarusian mystices. according to legend, supposedly at this source once there was a huge mighty spruce from under the roots, which he just beat. this very source and admire the sights. this catholic church was erected at the expense of the local headman, the owners of the old myadel. anthony peel. watch in the program stone, scissors, paper, on our tv channel the hard natural richness of belarus clothes, you can joke off the throwing here is in the ball in the lake below crazy, call god's wok, called the lake tore off the shape of the correct circle, which is like its stripes and cinema in lake maya what does not change for stretching debts is far away, that the voka sorshit for the right people from

heaven and smack them of such choral ones. in belarus hello, on the air, the program is authorized to declare. i'm the host nadezhda sas i welcome you. i remember. this is a program for those who want to better understand what is happening and understand how these processes , events, people will affect the life of everyone and the life of the country, and the main events of world politics - this week we will tell. you died right now in your eighty-seventh year of life. silvio berlusconi former the prime minister of italy he died in a milan hospital, where

he had been treated for blood cancer for some time silvia berlusconi , and his statement often became the object of sharp criticism, as the italians write with him , the controversial figure of the politician evokes italians either admiration or contempt for silvio berlusconi was first and foremost a fighter he was a man who was never afraid to defend his views precisely this courage. this decisiveness made him one of the most powerful people in italian history , prime minister giorgiamiloni said. former us president donald trump, his former aide, was released by a florida court edition banning communication from witnesses in the case, except through their lawyers, the us authorities released the 37-count indictment against the former president. it says that trump, after leaving the white home, took out dozens of boxes, many of which contained secret documents, and kept them on his estate. in these documents.

in particular, there were data on the defense capabilities of both the united states and other countries, and on the us nuclear programs, on the potential vulnerabilities of the united states and its allies to military attack, on plans for possible retaliation in response to a foreign attack , sensitive intelligence data, and so on, the former president told the court . what does not consider himself guilty of the acts incriminated to him? russia supported egypt's bid to join the brix joining the brix will open wide political and economic opportunities for the egyptians, including increasing their weight in world affairs and participating in the creation of alternative settlement mechanisms to the dollar, according to the russian federation went to cairo for this group itself, egypt which represents at the same time africa and the arab community is the successor of the most ancient civilization has a very young population. not to mention its strategic position in world thanks to the suez canal, which will be a very important acquisition. i will start our

discussion today with the fact that it is widely known to many that syria and iraq in 2015-2016 were the center of attraction for radical islamists from all over the uyghil world. today, many have forgotten, but islamic fascism has been replaced by quite ordinary fascism, and ukraine has been turned into its main international hub about how war is used to create a fascist international, we are talking in today's program, i am glad to welcome you to our studio oleksandr orosyanka, general director of cjsc stolichnoye tv, is already present. hello pavel feldman , deputy director of the institute for strategic studies of forecasts , candidate of political sciences, associate professor. hello, and of course, it is important that our today's conversation means a traditional blitz poll alexander alexandrovich please tell me you are a person born in the ussr

could you imagine that in the 21st century we will talk on the territory of the republic of belarus about ukraine in the context of what exactly is there today ? there was a movement fascist neo-nazi movement. i could not imagine it, but, in principle, the prerequisites that have been taking place recently in ukraine since 2014 and even earlier indicate that, in principle, for the birth and revival of neo-nazism in ukraine, and it could be, because this the collective forces of the west contributed. thank you, pavel, give you the floor, to be honest, for me the appearance of neo-nazi movements on the territory of modern ukraine was not a big surprise, because i know from the experience of my own family according to the stories parents of grandparents, and ukrainian collaborationism. unfortunately, because of this collaborationism of several of my ancestors

, literally. in a sense, they were buried alive there, and it was by no means the germans who did it, but representatives of the local indigenous population, who enthusiastically greeted the nazi troops. and if one were to argue on the territory of which former soviet republics neo-nazism could appear, then the first thing that comes to mind. this, of course, is the baltic states. then ukraine unfortunately. you are so i would like to our broadcast to join oleksandr lazarev ukrainian opposition politician and political scientist oleksandr hello. hello, today we are talking about the formation of a non-nazi analogy in ukraine. syria as a gathering point for islamists, but naturally for people with nazi views, where since 2014 carriers of neo-nazi russian views from all over the world have come to study. can we immediately call azov a new division of the wafen today, ses, in your opinion, i will be absolutely categorical and i think that yes, moreover, many

international institutions. and even the same western partners, and before the acute phase of the conflict, recognized the same azov as a neo-nazi organization; moreover, if we look at the heraldry, yes, these are organizations. we will see references to see there. we will see lightning. we 'll see, uh skull bones. yes, we will see it easier, but other things that remind in fact, yes, we will see the same ss divisions, how they are, uh, i'm sorry. yes, they praise hitler there. yes , and all the rest, it happened more than once. i want to see directly remind me, literally in the twenty-first year in kiev, i laid flowers on may 9 and there were not many, but there were still veterans, and we were walking with flowers with our comrades-in-arms, there were also veterans, these youngsters from the azovan from the corps also found and stood nearby, yes , and other scoundrel organizations, and they

zigged in their faces, dear friends. now i can’t imagine, this is not propaganda. i myself saw and testify to this, they zigged in their faces, a veteran who liberated ukraine who shed their blood, who are already well over 90 and who are going to be laid, the saints to their brothers, these scoundrels shouted to them. yes, they zigged in the face. what can be said and precisely all of the police stood we immediately stopped. we contacted the police. we approached them and tried to take them out, but nevertheless the police said that we were organizing a provocation. they are not on may 9, we are organizing a provocation, as it turned out. to this, what you said, i am here to the deepest, unfortunately, i completely agree and agree. you know alexander, i would like to mention something else. now i will read excerpts from an article by the ukrainian opposition politician viktor medvedchuk, which was published not so long ago and was devoted to the topic that we are discussing today, starting with the collapse of the soviet union

and the emergence of an independent ukraine by western politicians and special services. in ukraine, the revival of nazism began to promote its ideas through the introduction of nationalist ideology into the public consciousness of ukrainians, and according to the plans of the west, the nazified ukraine was to become a weapon against russia. the special services of the united states of america claimed that ukrainian nationalism is much stronger in the western provinces, but it is not limited to naked and as long as there is a nationalist force. they will support it in order to mobilize it at any time if necessary and modern ukraine the modern history of ukraine has shown that the projects of western intelligence agencies continue to this day. now i want to add ilya kievu to our broadcast. ilya is a people's deputy of the verkhovna rada of ukraine of the ninth convocation. thank you ilya that you are with us today ilya, you personally and the patriots for life movement led by you, not only

collided, but actively and often effectively fought on the streets of ukrainian cities with all sorts of non-nazi rabble. i will allow myself a rather rough, but it seems to me, a very accurate expression. is it true to say that the extreme rightists and radicals acted under the roof of the sbu and other law enforcement agencies and thus were part of the state machine of repression. let's take a look at history. i want to say that not only ukraine, but all post-soviet countries after the collapse of the soviet union were subject to the ideology of nazism imposed by the west. i can recall how uh in in the nineties, columns went around russian cities and also zigzagged. yes, thank god, this was subsequently suppressed by putin

. but they still tried to introduce and implement it. unfortunately, the most effective project. it turned out that ukraine yes, there was the fertile soil of that western ukraine that has always supported nazism, as an ideology, today it is the central ideology of power, because it is a counterweight. to all that slavic world. yes , we can clearly say for ourselves that in due time. in 2013, the right-wing movement was simply overbought overbought by western curators, no matter how trite it may be, few people know, but earlier these are

right. they considered themselves to be of the slavic race. i know too well the history of the right movement. but at some point , the right people from the pentagon appeared and offered money. and this right history began to preach. neo -nazism, yes, the sleeping cells of western ukraine they were already ready for the transition to the new ideology, of course, these organizations of the ukrainian security service were directly supervised yes indeed, there were physical eliminations of repression, criminal prosecution. to all those who were ready to oppose this nazi ideology with chalk. their hands were tied. they had an indulgence. she is a crime of power, they were used to suppress dissent, after all, who killed the bead, right? who

killed the journalist sheremet, because who repaired the reprisals, sowed chaos, because they were very quiet. in belarus today the situation is completely different, although ilya kieva and many other experts naturally spoke about this, that the prerequisites were due to successful and high-quality work of the belarusian special services. these were the embryos, well, in fact, they were forced out from the territory of the republic of belarus, but when, in your opinion, this is the formation, these prerequisites were already visible. absolutely right, you are nadezhda, i encountered elements of black nazism polotsk 2010-2012 and then i noticed that it was born in a group of young people called

football fans, that is, near football parties, when young and handsome guys. here we have slides in white t-shirts with the abbreviation 18 88, 14. i mean, no one understood what it was, but at the end of this great party, these guys took off their t-shirts and started zigzagging, they have swastikas and other things that we talked about runes and so on, and then the security forces worked it out very clearly. the most important thing is that these young people who participated in this get-together. and they initially came and preached a healthy lifestyle. uh, no alcohol, physical excellent preparation good education last trait when they showed themselves when they started trying to register the conscience 18, these are

the coded words the conscience of adolf hitler and thanks to the state system of the state policy that is carried out by our president, our security forces. they cleaned it up very clearly and we saw that these young people were trained in the camps in western ukraine, this is zarnitsa, etc., all these games, where neo-nazi views were imposed on them under this guise. please note this was 2010-2011 . enough time to get ready, but come on, and for our viewers we will display help on the screen. what is this magical combination of numbers, 14, 88, please. 14/88 is one of the most common nationalist symbols, where 14 means two slogans of david lane , the founder of the american russian group

order. first, we must protect the very existence of our people and the future for white children, second, because the beauty of the white aryan woman must not disappear from the face of the earth in english, both slogans consist of 14 words. the number 88 also has two interpretations one connected with the first part of the eighth chapter of hitler's book my struggle in the german version, there are just 88 words, another 88, and it may mean the hidden greeting hai hitler, because the letter h in the latin alphabet. just quite. pavel, you know quite a lot, yes, there are tattoos of a certain kolovrat swastika at 14:88, and people worship adolf hitler , they worship the desire to see an exceptionally risky nation, yes, on the earth, dominating and at the same time the current president of ukraine vladimir zelensky yes, he does not hide his origin jewish roots. here. how do you think

it can fit in one head? well, this is an amazing paradox of ukrainian society. this is an absolute ideological eclecticism to the word ukrainian neo-nazism. after all, he does not refer directly to the german nazi system of the middle of the 20th century. german nazism. still , based on german classical philosophy on german romanticism on nietzsche navager, ukrainian is not nazism, it basically has three main aspects. this is absolutely true alexandrovich said the culture of football fans who pumped up aggressive guys. they are very convenient to use as. a power fist for all sorts of non-judicial repressions and coup d'etat, the second is 1488 sorry for the quote. white supremacist ideas. true, the ukrainian neo-nazis have not yet decided, nevertheless, the oniarians are slavs or slavs - this is, by definition, the aryan to the question of the ideological state of this kind of sentiment, and the third is

statehood. this is a distorted idea about ukrainian russophobic anti-russian statehood, which actually underlies all these neo-nazi movements. today, they are paradoxically not anti-migrant by their nature, not anti-semitic, as long as the president of ukraine is ethnically jewish, they are precisely sharpened to counteract the russian ethnos. but this idea is basically, of course, paradoxically stupid and absurd, because the ukrainian nation is russian as putin says, i completely agree with him here. well, these are almost identical nations, one people is little russia, white russia belarus and great russia in this sense, of course, this kind of insinuation looks like an attempt to simply instrumentalize the nationalist movement, turning it into a force that will be used to put pressure on russia to

crack down on the ukrainian opposition. well , in order to make it pleasant for the west, as soon as these people mentally identify themselves with some kind of general civilizational western mainstream. in fact, all this, of course, brings us closer to the fact that we are considering complete ideologically untenable nonsense. this molded from what was at hand. but alexander she is your look. here's how it happened that the west is civilized. but in this case , you can put a civilized word in quotation marks openly contributes to the revival of nazism in the center of europe in the 21st century, closing its eyes to what is happening. but don't leopards with nazi crosses confuse european bureaucrats? in principle, everything is logical, what is allowed to jupiter is not allowed to the bull, and the west has always been guided by such principles when it was beneficial for them. they criticized nazism when they benefit from it

sponsor and support. basically, let's remember the year 2004. yes, the first coup d'etat in ukraine when yushchenko was brought to power in an illegal way. then they tried, uh, tried to change. at least you have elections yes, but the street and the masses, well then they have not yet resorted to the nazis and the nationalists. then some kind of liberal idea. here in the thirteenth year, they no longer resorted precisely to the radical ideas that were needed for their formation of the core of confrontation and the formation of anti-russia. after all, the ultimate goal all these movements. west is the formation of anti-russia. this is the concept of guest-strategic points in the foothold. yes, the formation of not states around the russian federation for her in order to prevent her from developing and restoring her influence on eastern europe, that is, about this and for life to write in the ninety- seventh year, in principle, ukraine fell under this concept and was involved, how could ukraine make anti-russian. of course

, to raise the idea of ​​galicia to raise the idea that was nurtured and cherished there. yes, even with times. e khrushchev's thaw, when all the arrested bendera were sent back there. and then they, in principle , passed on this ideology from generation to generation, and then from the ninety-first year gradually by western funds and western politicians under a curator. the secret services themselves, they were fed. and in the thirteenth year , in fact, combat groups and combat battalions were already formed, which were aimed at overthrowing the government. after that , they were even more pumped with weapons. even more gave them the opportunity to already start a full blown conflict. in principle, this is a logical strategy, the west and the fact that they are radicals, that they are nazis and so on, nobody cares. they perform the task and west of it well. well, you know, it’s time to remember 17 moments of spring, as muller said to his squint

, yes, if, after many, many years, at some point on the planet, instead of hello we will hear hein, the renaissance will begin there, to our great regret. the west used a radical minority of which 1-2% was in ukraine began the return of these negative tendencies of movements, with which it is time to end, it is time to tie up for the sake of saving an entire people, for the sake of saving could in the civilized west. i now invite all of us present here to watch the video material prepared by correspondent simon schuster for the publication of zetime and it was made on the eve. special operations, of course, it seems to me that the motivation for conducting a special operation after watching this video is quite understandable, please many ukrainians tend to see in azov not militants or extremists,

and war heroes in kiev. i watched the independence day parade in which veterans of the azov battalion marched along with other volunteers, surrounded by a cheering crowd that thanked them for defending ukraine from russia, but even the march showed signs of the far-right ideology that is so prevalent. in azov, the symbols on their flags caused particular controversy - the emblem of nazism is the official symbol. the azov variety of the wolf cis was one of the symbols of one of the ss divisions during the second world war. it is one of the more or less common symbols for neo-nazi groups around the world and it's not just about their symbols. when it was founded by azov in 2014, many of its commanders and recruits came from ukraine's most infamous far-right groups , including outright neo-nazis. we basically recruited everyone who could? arms in hand when the ukrainian state was paralyzed and the defense of the ukrainian state was completely in the hands of the ukrainian volunteers and so there were a lot of

adventurer guys who think they are on some kind of ideological tour, to save, maybe the future of the west is the future of the white race. yes, yes. what worries officials in the west is the recruiting strategy. azov who went out of her way to build friendly relations with extreme right-wing groups around the world, especially in the us and europe during my visit in 2019. i spent the whole day at one of the biggest recruiting events in the history of azov, thousands of people turned up for the combat sports day. and outright propaganda. there were tattoos and posters of her with nazi symbols everywhere and many in the crowd. seems to be quite receptive to far-right ideology. azov-like events also attract recruits from abroad one of those whom i met was called. robin he has just arrived in ukraine from sweden where he is wanted for hate crimes. it's so hard to explain

to others it's surreal. it's like what you used to read about greater germany in the 1920s. this is the revival of the inter-european soul, and that's it. this is happening here in ukraine . after that we drove back to the base. azov in the north of kiev where the commanders of azov did not allow robin to remain as a potential recruit. we are aryans and we will resurrect this way of life. yes, here is an eloquent video. yes, i want to return again to what i said earlier about the fact that even our belarusian guys should be prepared to overthrow the government, and this was in the twentieth year. i was a witness to the fact that the guy with whom i was suing, who sued me in the eleventh year for the protection of honor and

dignity, allegedly that i slandered him, that he was committed to nazism. he stood in the first rows, threw stones at our policemen. that is, these people were being prepared for a coup d'état, and in fact, when i saw him, here is his 2 m, he was between us. eh, almost 10 years later. he saw that i understand who he is, that is, you know such a concept as the moment of truth. they were actively trained to freshen up the authorities, but this did not work in belarus. here is ilya let's go through the personalities of the leaders or fuhrers of the infamous azov and the movements associated with it. here is andrey ticketsky, a native of kharkov, russian-speaking until 2014, probably, who did not know the ukrainian language, or the same maxim zhorin. let's pay attention to his photograph, a native of luhansk. i'm not talking about

mr. sergei short boatswain born in belarus , yes, they know him, under such pseudonyms not a single native from western ukraine why russian speakers? and then ethnically russian people will suddenly give birth and be born in the clothes of radical ukrainian nationalists. the west generously pays here you have shown russian-speaking people literally in the twelfth year. you look at the statements of biletsky. well, he said, and the slavic race is the mastery of the slavic people, but suddenly, in the thirteenth year, the commemoration of the wand. he immediately changes his rhetoric to russophobic and begins to propagandize. he is not nazism, because they paid for it, i say again, this is an artificial model formed, yes, on the favorable soil of ukrainian leonazism,

which we previously observed in that jelly. after all, i want to tell you that our grandfathers did not work well. here are all those who were fighters there in western ukraine. un were these punisher battalions waffle ses all of them and from this battalion of the gatchina ss division, after all, all of them needed to be destroyed, and not rehabilitated, of course, then it was sown, the seed that sprouted today and ukraine really turned into a lullaby of cycism, neo nazism azov is sacred today, history, which is cherished in the west, because it makes it possible to show and popularize the prussian phobia, that the west needs a convenient, understandable model for the destruction of russians and nazism fully

corresponds to this, therefore, here you are, please sales people. here is an effectively implemented project for you. and as a result, this is the war that we see today, but i would say that there is no need to narrow the scope of a special military operation specifically to the destruction of neo-nazis. or nazism, as such, there is a lot of global liberation going on today, the liberation of the global liberation of the ukrainian people, which is part of russian civilization, and this is precisely reflected in the external in the new external concept of the russian federation, where it is clearly stated that the ukrainian people are an integral part of the russian civilization. and this is beyond doubt vladimir vladimirovich putin yes , blood is shed today, but unfortunately there is no other way yet. we can't. we must bring down seven skins from ourselves seven spots. only

then will we appreciate our unity, our strength and our history. this is what is happening with reality, and on the left is nazism. believe me , let's figure it out the wrong way, he is scary, because there is no ideology, and in fact he makes his speech. i want to say yes? god gave russia putin god gave belarus lukashenko who managed to keep the country, who managed to stop the resurgent neo-nazism and save the state. unfortunately, ukraine is not lucky in this story, but it is on the ukrainian example that we will write stories for future generations that we must not allow what we must resist and for what we must be

together. let's move on to the second block of our discussion belarusian neo-nazis in the struggle for a new order. and before we get into the discussion. i would like to offer to hear the direct speech of the leader of the republic belarus alexander lukashenko as regards the belarusian. i can note that more in lithuania , unfortunately, and in ukraine, members of illegal armed groups are being trained , attempts are being made to create sleeping extremist worms, directly in the country of recent facts. you are familiar with them testify to this. that is, we have. uh, they are preparing a forceful scenario for a change of power. we see it, we will not allow it. a lot is said today about the security of the republic, belarus

yes, and in general, the union state, and you know, after our today's discussion came to the conclusion that if we can talk to them about a possible invasion, then they will obviously not be the first to run here, and people who consider themselves nazis are the same belarusian nazis, about whom we have already talked about, who are now fighting on the territory ukraine and are clearly dreaming. yes, definitely more advanced here. here. let's pay attention. in the photo, belarusian fans of the dinamo football club from left to right igor yankov andrey tratsevsky vitaly pigarev pumov. today they are on the territory of ukraine fighting, for which it is difficult just for money for money how to resist this today? how to preserve the youth of we, after all , colossal work was carried out after the victory of the great patriotic war, and now, they are still

taken. here are the characters. these people work for money. what do you think, is it really only material benefit that excites only money? they have driven themselves into a corner, now they have nowhere to go and they are using them as cannon fodder. they are used in order to, as you say , allow some. revenge in the republic of belarus but in 2020, but this will not happen, they are all under the control of the security forces. what can we say about belarus about counteraction, because what happened in ukraine and in general is happening in the world, then we have the policy of the state and at the referendum we adopted our constitution , where it is clearly stated that we remember the historical memory of the great patriotic war. we are erecting monuments, we are reverent and careful about our veterans. we are sensitive to burial places. we honor this

memory every third, belarus died. we understand that not only regular troops in there were belarus, but there were still a large number of subscribers and partizans. this genetic memory is very alive with us and here in belarus , unlike all of this europe, and in russia, too , they honor and do not demolish the monuments of the great patriotic war. that is, we instill it and leave it in the memory of our younger generation. who is who but tell aleksandrovich one more question. isn’t one of the problems of the situation that has developed today that in soviet times they hushed up the topic of collaborationism, which pavel of soviet citizens spoke about, in that including the year of the war and we perceived. tragedies are the same babi yar or the colossal horrific tragedy of khatyn and exclusively,

as the work of the germans alone, but this is not so. it’s not like ilya was absolutely right that exactly when there was an amnesty in the fifty-third year, upa, they were simply released and did not begin to occupy certain positions in the same ukraine, and in order not to sow some kind of chaos in the soviet union, they began to keep silent about it this grain has sprouted, but the whole situation is, we now know that these are all punitive operations that were carried out and the genocide of the belarusian people, which during the great patriotic war. these were nationalists, both ukrainian and baltic. we are talking about houses. we already know all this very well, playfully and secrecy was removed from it. if this case, of course, had not been hushed up during the years of the soviet union, it would be possible, that is, the situation that would not have happened in ukraine now. but then this was facilitated by uh elites, of that time, who tried to keep ah peace in the soviet union, i would

say so. here alexander is really fascism. yes, neo-nazism is a universal evil and there is no people with immunity from this virus. i think you will agree with me. well, how to deal with this problem. yes, i completely agree with you. yes, remember the soviet song. yes, there is no such family in russia, wherever there is no memory of your hero, yes and here in russia in belarus, in principle, ukraine is talking about sovetsk, about the soviet people, and here our ancestors gave in life. uh, every family has its own heroes, there are those who died, there are those who reached berlin, there are those who were not lucky, and they died before they died, giving their lives for our freedom from our future and the fact that the western intelligence agencies of the country use national nationalist issues in order to split the country from this idea to a huge, unfortunately, it is old it is effective in many ways. it was effective in yugoslavia, because in the same way

the kosovo issue was raised, and in this way they ruined yugoslavia, in addition to economic issues there. yes, but these are political games that western intelligence agencies have always played into the hands. therefore, in order to fight this, it is necessary to cultivate the idea of ​​a state, which is not built on nationalism. not on the nation, but on the people, first of all, on social benefits , on brotherhood, on common values, on a common history and common future, on a common aspiration , not on the aspiration of a separate nation. after all, it is clear that many countries are multinational - this is normal and countries should be a home for the nation and peoples, but you can’t pump out one thing, unfortunately. this is a political issue. in ukraine, it has always been used for a split. will you remember politicians have always played. electoral preferences have always been tried to do with the west ukrainians. it's first class. yes, there is central ukraine second, and the southeast, uh, russian-speaking or not? this is the third grade. this is

modern yushchenko technology. but, if we delve into history, then correctly we will remember what was still under khrushchev. and if we go even earlier, we will remember when the catholicization of western ukraine took place yes, it was galicians and they hated the poles because they carried out catholicization, as well as hated the russians for remaining with their faith. that is, this issue is being published, but it is necessary to occupy these problems, but to our great regret, in order to stop it, you need to change this top, which exists in ukraine and has been for 30 years. after all, those politicians who were in power. on the contrary, they stuck it out and did everything to make this issue rise sharply and split the people, but in no case did it happen, therefore, to all, uh, our friends yes, to all countries , brotherly people. the only advice e carry on correct ethnopolitics and attention will never be focused specifically on the national, it is necessary to focus on the people's question and on

the common future and common past. thank you very much alexander and pavel has a question for you and collectors as well, again i would like to talk about problematic issues today, so the question may seem rather harsh, but i can’t help but ask it. i, like a person in belarus, have a new one. involuntarily, a question arises. why do belarusian cities have streets named after kostus kolyanovsky, it is not by chance that they are radical nationalists took his name for their stick kalinovsky was an outright russophobe. i saw belarusian lands. you see how autonomy within the restored commonwealth pavel nadezhda i think that the subject of belarus and to speak out alexandrovich i want to emphasize one very important point. so we said that at a certain stage of soviet history, the crimes of collaborators were hushed up? absolutely right? unfortunately, now they are not talking about it as widely as it should be, but it is very important

to breed a healthy one at the conceptual level. nationalism and criminal neo-nazism. what is nationalism in the best sense of the word. it is a desire to preserve identity. these are patriotic sentiments. this is protectionism. healthy nationalism is expressed by the desire to preserve one's culture, one's identity , one's faith, to gain political representation within existing institutions, and to live the way the people deem proper for themselves. these are the channels of expression of conventional normal healthy nationalism. they are also needed. otherwise, there will be fertile ground for the transformation of nationalism vneonasm. and by the way, that is why in russia, in response to the request of our society, amendments were made to the constitution and there for the first time two years ago a pony appeared. the state-forming people and today we openly use the wording state-forming nation or titular nation, when this nation feels confident, then other nations

are more comfortable with it. yes, get along within the framework of these healthy interfaith and interethnic relations. this is normal, especially for such a political society as russian, with regard to tools to prevent the development of nationalism into neo-nazism. that is, here, as quite right, colleagues said. we need to withdraw funding. it is necessary to hit the structures. so we talked about the fact that the west supported ukrainian nazism and neo-nazism quite right. they have been implementing this policy since at least the twenties of the last century. why because they were ready to support even the devil, even the devil, even any cannibals. if only they were anti-communist. remember how franklin roosevelt in 1939 latin american dictator samosa said he was a son of a bitch, of course. well it is but this is what the concept is about the current ukrainian neo-nazis. they can say the same thing, and i said that russia was lucky with president

putin, and belarus with president lukashenko, i agree, but i’ll also add luck that we don’t have oligarchic regimes in russia in belarus today. here, unlike ukraine in ukraine, uh, the nationalist movement receives funding not so much from the west as from their oligarchs, who raised these guys, fed them, took them out on the street, literally paid them for classes in gyms, where they strengthened their physical fitness and built up muscles in the literal and figurative sense in order to use them at the right time , and colleagues quite rightly said that these phenomena there were in russia what to make a secret out of this, we openly talk about our problems. i remember very well moscow in the mid-zero years, where people with my hair color even walked in the center in the dark a very risky business, because they were marching skinheads, because the okolofutbol movement was extremely radical right. uh, but pay tribute to president putin

to the russian security forces. they did not allow something more to grow because of this, although even in the oligarchic near the powerful. uh, circles, people were spinning who said, let's turn this into our loyal support base, hold russian marches, take people to the manege square. eh, people in russia remember. what clashes uh, there unfolded will use as anti-migrant movement, but ultimately the president and his advisers and law enforcement agencies. uh, i’ll tell you straight with an iron hand they drove all this shaven head to take her far under the mat. here, there are no others, and those are far away. this is the best example for others who are thinking or maybe joining this kind of organization. there are such russian scum, the dobrovolsky corps, which are fighting for ukraine today, a banned terrorist neo-nazi group, uh, it has 150 people. only 150 people, from all over big russia, managed to recruit, but,

by the way, after all, to the question of how they fight, they are fighters of azov. they are the first to not rush into the attack. they try to send the unfortunate mobilized men to the slaughter, while they themselves perform the functions of at best barrage of detachments and shoot them in the back if they are absolutely right, and therefore what is the best way to counteract the first clean up at the level of street names, uh at the level of national heroes. if those are still listed somewhere, but as important figures, but the most important thing is to cut off funding channels from oligarchs from the west and literally. in a sense, there will be no physical organizational burnout of their structures; no structures will be leaders ; no neo-nazi organizations will arise. my question i understand that is not easy. but after all, the same kastus kalinovsky who saw the belarusian lands only as autonomy as part of the restored commonwealth

, here's what to do when such historical dilemmas arise to honor the memory of everyone and this is our history, according to therefore , our history arises. well, we have mirsky castle nesvizh castle to us, which is the same the best thing to do is to abandon this story. i think that history should be treated. sincerely. and we need to draw conclusions from this story, based on the current situation. yes, in our country, as was said, there are no oligarchs. in addition, we have nclo, financed by the same soras, were suppressed by our president. we did not have those who finance such organizations, but history must be treated. sincerely, due to the fact that there is inadequate, to put it mildly, people are militants, they took it to their flags. well, that's their problem, let's just say thank you very much alexander alexandrovich and, of course, prepared a small plot in more detail for the

screen. let's watch together ukraine has become a stronghold for neo-nazis from all over the world, and local authorities are primarily to blame for this. indeed, back in march last year, the kiev regime began a large-scale campaign to attract foreign volunteers, many of whom were representatives of ultra-right views , and not only foreign citizens from far abroad responded to kiev's call. well, sauce. from the post-soviet space, including from belarus many so-called football fans and nationalists left the country back in 2020 after an unsuccessful coup attempt, at the same time belarusian and ukrainian ultra-right radicals began to communicate closely, exchanging experiences and even visited each other for protest actions. one of the most famous divisions from belarusians to ukraine polklinovsky, it immediately included many well-known belarusian opposition activists. for this reason, this unit performs not so much the military. how many propaganda

tasks in the numerous interviews that actively given by the military commanders of the kalinovsky regiment, there are practically no references to hostilities. on the other hand, there are many discussions about the future of belarus and the moods within the belarusian society in self-defense units. in ukraine , many football fans have also joined. one of them is the ex-leader of the fan movement. dynamo minsk vitaly puma, five more belarusian fans left with him, including igor yankov andrei tratsevsky and vitaly realny azov’s interaction with the belarusian neo-nazis from the korenovsky regiment and the so-called russian volunteer corps and how much western intelligence services are involved in coordinating the actions of these units today. look, let's so i

want to tell you that this does not carry, i want to immediately reassure the mass character. here, uh , the russian volunteer corps, or there polkalinovsky, as they call themselves, they actually call themselves there. this is just a cover of 10-20 maximum people. u freaks. well listen, well in any stage there is ugly sheep, but be that as it may, you understand, therefore, these 10-20 people who put an emblem on you and who shout that we are belarusians or we are russians. this is just an element of propaganda , you know, to which yes, we really have to respond that azov has become a hub, that ukraine is really the cradle of the renaissance today. the revival of neo-nazism. i spoke about this, but today this is a state program that in every possible way contributes to this that they tell him that oligarchs directly finance such organizations. yes everything is correct. and who created

the oligarchs, and who gave the oligarchs to develop? this is again the program of western intelligence services to dismember society and form russophobic sentiments. and this will all continue until the moment it exists under the control of the west. a criminal regime that allows ukrainian society to be controlled and manipulated. yes poroshenko yes zelensky yes at one time yushchenko they were allowed to come to power through coups through manipulations, and they created a similar situation in the renaissance, probably, nazism, where individual, bastards, bastards from all over the world, there are british and there are americans. yes, of course, well, there are belarusians, there are russians, but this is not widespread . i tell you again. it's just a strategic manipulation. why because even in the twenty-first year i? how

the leader of the anti-fascist movement gathered thousands of young people, and we walked through the streets of kiev without fear of anyone, because in this case , like me, the grandchildren of the heroes of the soviet union there are millions of grandchildren of the heroes of the winners. we honor we remember, but today we were forbidden to do it and in spite of everything. we are ready to resist and fight, we will destroy the criminal terrorist regime of zelensky, we will free it. the fraternal ukrainian people primordially russian land. we will stop any possibility of the emergence, perhaps, of nazism, we will level the system of the educational process by changing nationalism to patriotism and we will no longer play this democracy. our task is to educate the future strong generation, saturated with patriotic history. our

a victorious past that has always resisted evil. that's the concept. this is my position and this is my goal. thanks ilya if there was an opportunity to overturn 50 g. i would do it for the victory for our victory. you know, dear colleagues. today we are accustomed to the horror of the position of the west, but fortunately there are adequate honest people among them. i would like you and i to hear the position of the mep clairdale, or the mep for ireland, i hear. shouts of support are safe here for thousands of years of front lines. i think that we were it would be useful to know what ordinary ukrainians are going through, it was found that the command in ukraine is sent to fight at the front of inexperienced soldiers without proper training, and for the massive abandonment of positions to arrange real repressions for military personnel, it’s time for the west to stop talking about how to arm for

the escalation of the conflict, you need to think more about peace and dialogue you disgusting generals sit here and make these people go to their deaths. i am glad that such a position, bold , wise, balanced, still finds a place in the walls european parliament. we are forced to complete our program. therefore, for each participant in today's discussion, the final word, alexandrovich, taking into account all the mistakes that have occurred in ukraine in the republic of belarus, we arrange very painstaking work with the younger generation. we remember that we are the descendants of the victors of the great patriotic war in the war against nazism and we treat this very clearly and carefully. nazism will not pass in belarus. we still have fraternal feelings for the ukrainian people in russia. want, for the belarusian audience to hear it,

because it is important for us to hurt for them, we are sad. it’s hard for us to watch how their blood is shed for them, but unfortunately, all those terrible neo-nazi formations that we will talk about will be disposed of in the furnace of this armed conflict, and as ilya rightly said, the end of this difficult tragic story in many ways can only be a change neo-nazi pro-western regime. in kiev, after that, the true cultural democification of ukrainians will begin. i think that this kind moods will disappear with this oligarchic pro-western regime very quickly, because the real ukrainians are our relatives. the most important thing is to free them from this pernicious influence of pressure and blackmail from outside. thank you for your position ilya is alone in the slavic family today, brother. damn, you know that the ukrainians

really have tasks to save him. in slavery colonized the west and this is a huge problem, because we are not a single whole organism today, damn it, it hurts terribly, and we need to be saved. i am more than i am sure that today's confrontation and the sacrifice that we bring, we bring for the sake of the future of our generations in the name of the world that will surely come and in the name of the force that will be reborn within the framework of our trinity. thank you. ilya oleksandr shchuk to ukrainians to address dear ukrainians. soon it will all end, wait a little longer and really all this is a gang that mocks you, that plunders your money,

that sends your children to certain death, will flee from the side. and the people will heal. uh, a happy life with a bright future, but without western influence and without kiev food, which is now mocking you. it will soon be incredibly grateful to all the participants in today's discussion for a frank and extremely important conversation. today we discussed an acute and difficult topic. so someone opened a temporary portal and now german tanks are burning in the steppes of ukraine and bodies are lying nearby, they will see the statue with a swastika greeting. heil hitler perhaps this should not be such a shock , fascism will always attract those who believes that a place under the sun is necessary for oneself, and fighting with violence against the superfluous, as long as there are already fascists in the lakes, and among any peoples they will fight. with this evil it is necessary, first of all, through the upbringing of their children, the kindness of empathy and mercy

, hitler, too, could become just an artist. thanks it was a saas program, is empowered to state. ukraine has been turned into a base of the fascist international. we will introduce you to the major interesting and most beautiful cities of our region. this is the fifth oldest city in belarus that tourists leave exclusively in order to return here again for new experiences, we will show you the main sights and unique architectural monuments. it is a miracle that the 94-year-old church has been preserved. having gone through all the wars of the revolution , now a place is regularly held in it about a legend reminiscent of the holy spring gushing from under the mountain. and if you dig it out, then the water

of kamenka will probably be flooded all around, and this little bit that remains of the estate of mikhail kotlubay , see the remains of a stone deck in the program of the city of belarus at

our tv channel. this is a live panorama, and i will tell you the main events of wednesday, june 21, sergei lugovsky hello tomorrow there was a war on the eve of the day of national memory of the victims of the great patriotic war and the genocides