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the day that divided 9 million belarusians, then in the forty -first year on the living and the dead, the day that it would seem impossible to forget and not draw conclusions, but you expected, which was born 3 years after the victory. that almost 80 years later , these terrible hands of the past will remind us again. you know, before the strengthening of belarus was divided by kovyryakhimonov's in words into the living dead, it was divided into those who were ready to defend the motherland and those who were ready to press it, unfortunately, i somehow had a conversation with one writer. i won't call him by his last name. well, the time as editor-in-chief of a state journal got a very respectable time, then

he left our union to write with politics. the union's informal setting is completely coincidental if talking about this period. well , ivanovich installed the situation back 41 years ago, but let's forgive at home for 41 years. send the germans, not yet. and you have to make a choice. either you take a civilian, you want partisans, or you take a good one and you go to meet the occupiers. that's what, what would you do says, well, you are already talking a lot more whiskey, but hitler promised to leave a third of the population of belarusians alive and my ancestors. could well on the same claim entrepreneur. it 's scary that here are the descendants of those people who could claim that, at seventy percent , life would destroy the population well. here they are engaged in

some kind of ideologies engaged in culture, allegedly deals with literature. and with such opinions with such views, they determine the mood in society, that is, but don't you think that a person does not even understand what he says 1/30 of the population will remain. yes, he emphasizes that they are on the fact that 2/3 will be destroyed absolutely not. you understand, it's scary. it's scarier than scary. that is, as i understand it, you are drawing in parallel with the fact that now many do not have this understanding either. no, there is no historical memory, many remained and then , in general, were dissatisfied with something like this over? let's try to draw some parallels here. yes, historically, leo tolstoy, who did not see the war of 812. yes , many years after it ended, he wrote

a wonderful novel war and peace. you are an eyewitness to the new repartition of the world, while being an active poet and publicist. here, will this givenness be reflected in your work now and why today those who have nothing to say say so much and those who have are often silent. i can say that in recent years, everything that happens. she wants a reflection in mine creativity and let's say on facebook or on those sites that supported our states and in russia, including on the russian writer , they had a lot of my poems published as to which i later received reviews, which is thanks to them. uh, people somehow feel, uh, possibilities. uh, you will get some kind of support that there are still forces that, uh , leave them to people, you understand, not everything is

collapsing as it might seem for the first time. this is important. secondly, right now there is a union in russia, the writers of russia have already released several collections that, uh, were written by a poet and from different regions, and they go directly to the troops in my current poems. there, too, there is now prepared. moreover, the weight of the upper part of some official structures, the same collection was prepared with the initiative from below. hey writers. belarus, too, poems have support for donbass this is perfect. so to speak, the independence of knowledge. they asked for my participation. so i agreed and irina agreed to give them poems, maybe even one of the professionals. that's how clean it is according to the fish of the soul, people can not calmly take this is not happening. and at least give a word of encouragement. that is, we can say that

that narrow stratum of cultured people today has support. well, among writers, not all writers have support. here's the thing, many writers staggered. i have emperors know what is going on in the fantastic environment of musical songwriting. how many people disappeared from the country who, in general, seemed to be a great authority, on whom people, too , somehow equaled this all bitter and scary, but those remained, i say motherland and patriotism would not have been important is that the country was creative, especially those who write themselves. yes , they are not very fond of advising whom to read from their contemporaries. but who do you recommend from your belarusian contemporaries to read today, who is considered? naturally,

only poets are worthy of being a virtual event. i really appreciate it. although pavlovich pozdnyakov is a longtime friend of the chairman of the minsk branch of the writers' union. by the way, he very clearly defined his position, by the way, there was such a situation even on the eve of the event, in the very twentieth year, some scoundrel smeared it with paint. uh, hands to the monument. pushkin pressed history and there was such a heated discussion. uh, on the internet, some said that this is nothing terrible child. there broke, others. they say it's a crime. and then i wrote that i am waiting for the condemnation of this act from all belarusian fellow writers. that's who i will not translate. and what to do one

poznyakov? here it is in public. yes, it has accelerated. did you remember she was also in this studios. i believe it is also worthy that she is a person, all the more so a woman, she showed herself to be a real hero in a very difficult moment, and about monuments. and here is their attitude. we will surely still remember the struggle with these monuments and their destruction - this is a trend today. and for those whose brains are not cooked. well , let's speak frankly, but if the global ones have already touched on pushkin, dostoevsky and pushkin bunin on the side. here you can continue indefinitely, this is someone delighted, for example, they are eno from roman, this is the nobel laureate of the twenty-second year. well you don't need to talk about it. although i think it is. well, on average , medical prose is closer to someone, maybe, uh, such good fiction jk rowling gives such literature? western literature answers to eternal questions and what can it oppose to russian literature, which they

want to abolish all over the world? the word medicine in the question, i generally believe that poetry is almost a medical concept, because when a person is bitter when a person is hard, he very often, how is he saved when he cannot, in general, put himself in order, someone goes to pray, someone circles for a glass, someone takes up a book of poems. and if it helps, then it's a cure. this is on the one hand. well, on the other hand. there is an opinion that the great patriotic war was won by teachers of russian literature, because they gave our warrior, such a weapon that the enemy did not have, along with them went editing kharchagin and andrei balonsky and even jesus christ from blok's poem of twelve. i'm not talking about soviet songs such

not yet a handkerchief, not boots, there was nothing like this enemy, and this is a very serious appendage to the mighty weapon that was in our army. it all lay down on the altar, victory and brought victory, that is, even now there should be such a weapon, i am convinced that, in general, there was a very big mistake. i mean, it's not even a mistake. uh, the enemies who were collapsing the soviet union knew perfectly well what literature was. this is the backbone of society. and what about lutherators? generally? not a joke. e that understanding what is happening thanks to which society becomes mature and that is why real literature was first thrown to the side of the road, they tried to replace it with laughter. that's how the newcomers, the west there, look in america there were wonderful writers to him saying hey phew are dead. they have them. uh, not in

the ballroom revered, they are also replaced by some rusty writers. so they have the same problem. now they are not a problem. they are, they do not perceive. it's like problems, they believe that what they are now will impose on the world is this. uh, new values. the new one is coming along somehow. here such a restructuring of the world that everything that was considered normal seems to be abnormal, so khlebnikov foresaw this back in the eighteenth year, he wrote about rich women, who, in general, already paid attention to them eurovision yes, i happened to see it. it’s right there bastards, but i remember this statement of yours, when they don’t write poems well for me, yes, well, something like that, in general, the meaning is yes , yes, and maybe, uh, these events that are happening now, after all, they contribute to the appearance and real poetry is real literature. or i'm wrong. you

you know that i really hurt then it appears, the most powerful thing is not for nothing all the masterpieces of world literature, they are tragic, deeply tragic, but some little period is needed to comprehend. still, a big one is seen from a distance to comprehend what is happening today. that's not in vain. you wrote in thick, ingenious roman after some time , everything was already clear. what uh what, what happened then and what is right, what is wrong? what feelings? what are the emotions of his characters? in general, they fed, it was necessary to be even fat such. i think that the time will come already in russia now there is writing or who are seriously dealing with this topic and there are some. here i recently met in stavropol a young poet, front-line soldier sergei lobanov, he is on vacation today's cinema today's fantasy

today, but he himself is the police. he came to reconnaissance on his vacation, he came to this seminar and ran to get to know me, because he says, i have known you for a long time and really wanted to personally, this suitcase is worth a lot. taxi will help put and take pictures we are together, but it can be seen that the heroic guy. well, i won't say that in russia this is the majority andreyevich. you have a lot of foreign awards. in total, i counted more than 50 literary european ones. yes, in germany, the canadian prime minister. hemingway, i am not mistaken , you are the only one of the post-soviet authors that is included in the german anthology 100 years of foreign poetry. yes, the russian language is an amazing fact in itself, especially today. well, at least they stayed today.

some kind of thread here in this cultural exchange with europe which pretended that russian literature of russian culture does not exist. you know, of course, it has become much smaller, but , by the way, they stayed with the literary europeans and remained edited by a very interesting person. vladimir semyonovich barsov. he was once a soviet dissident, then he went to germany, where he founded the union of russian writers in germany. he still heads it. he is offended by russia for being made a dissident there, almost wrong. therefore, he already has russian there are almost no authors, but he treats our country very well and somehow it turned out that, in general, i have been publishing with them quite often for many years. well, uh, relatively recently, somewhere in the spring of this year will be. here is such a case, they, in addition to the magazine

, also publish annually the day of russian foreign poetry, such is collected from different countries. he is the author and compiler, and he is also an american professor victor fetr, he is also a poet. well, the boy wrote to me. send the verses, yes, release, i assign the verses, and after a week or two i get the responsibility for signed by fet second compiler e you forgive us but we will not be able to place your poems this year, because it is planned to publish annual poems in kiev and in ukraine. that new year it will be forbidden to publish authors from russia, that's all. well, after a while, says more big calls. i tell him. here is such a story. no-no-no, this is a mess, russian literature in such a period began even

more no worse. we you, of course, yes. i 'll figure it out. this is very different and after a week or two he is not sent such a letter, we decided develop relationships with professor people who continue. to support both russian literature abroad and, as well as contact for another matter, that they are all, of course, very afraid that they are now the same as now, the president of the czech republic said that in general they would start deporting everyone somewhere or give some camps, so they are their phraseology, of course, trying to stick to such phraseology in the style of what they say in the west to condemn russia to condemn putin well,

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. you know, it's really amazing, you haven't stopped reading gogol shevchenko with you . this is wildness. it's just wildness when the pushkin monument i don't know how true is this simple information that pushkin recently won his last duel, when they were already demolishing a bronze monument in that world and his head came off from the mistakes of one of these idiots. well, this is a feed that worked instantly. yes, look anatolyevich. we saw together with you how in the same russia, after the beginning of its own, the origin

of the russian origin of our state fell for many. unfortunately, it turned out to be an unbearable knife. that was about the twentieth year. but what for you, this period of the drama of the tragedy has become a detective story, or maybe a farce, both of which are interesting, and the fourth, because it was during this period. we have completely opened up people who, perhaps, used to carry something in their souls without showing it. it is clear who is, who is not in vain, so many friends family ties ceased to exist. very often torn in many. and i also have relatives here in ukraine, and why did they

break up with them? he did not delete it, but unfortunately he wrote , among us there are such relatives. please don't contact me again. that's our relationship. fine? how do you explain why? we give

them the right to think differently, but they do not give us such a right. this is the most amazing thing, and here, uh, the most active, just migrants. it would seem that you, well, left this side. you don't like her. she is a stranger to you. now we are interested in the interests of the side in which you are now a citizen, which you turned out not to be. it is still very important for them what is happening here, and they are still trying to tell here. here they give advice to people who they also destroy and help to destroy and advice on how best to destroy. here, look at all yours. the main weapon is the word, of course. you succeed at least sometimes with this weapon with a word. i will not say that often, but people write to me, when i read it. here is what i read. this is what you write. thanks for the fact that you somehow clarified to me, that is

, the brain is right a little. sometimes it happens , and more than once it is happiness. true, when a person realizes that he made a mistake, he admits it , and well, for the sake of this, both you and we are actually working. so i read your interview before coup attempts. you are still there in the seventeenth year asking a question. who thought that partisans would appear in the republic to write or glorify the activities , well, the executioner of the belarusian people wilhelm cuba , yes, in the twentieth year on the shelves of bookstores, well, as the symbolism from which the nazis killed belarus how did you say it right, right? here, writers are often prophets, but they cannot always get through. you yourself admit this. why were we so tolerant and did we learn. fan,

because we are such a people in the first place. well and secondly, there were a lot. in my opinion , you have missed the logical realm. for the twentieth year, everything has already happened. they even defeated them, and in the youth theater there was still a performance along the river of money to supplement separately. what kind of measures are being taken so that, uh, they remove it, you say, the theater opened the season with performances that watered it in general. the paradox of smokers, he was not shy, crap on the side. it's true, yes, even in the museum i'm not mistaken. these are generally some events dedicated to natalya arsenyeva. you don't understand that if we are talking about us too , the criminal already has some kind of him. maybe yesterday one question haunts. well. i remember a phrase that other

writers attribute to stalin. i don't have for you. union of writers of belarus belarusian union of artists belarusian union of composers well, other creative unions, yes, how the state should work with them now, having drawn conclusions from the twentieth year, in order to shake the situation with a pursuing attempt from the outside or from the inside , and well, our creators will shed blood here. here they rushed in a single impulse a shirt for her country protection for what needs to happen. it seems to me that the state should first return the profession of writers. we don't have. together with the devoured soviet union, there is no writing in any list of such a profession, a writer , a poet, composers, an artist, there are artists,

so that a new one will appear. who wrote the same can not be a chinese experience, chinese indeed. being a writer is very difficult. but if you get up, there are three categories, the highest category of a writer, these are recognized masters. they receive a good salary. they don't even pay rent. they free travel from the state, just as a writer, there are writers of the second category, whose benefits are much less and in category 53, who also receive some kind of benefits, well, a small salary. and here they are on state support, the state monitors what they do. and they naturally, as if the state occupied in the soviet union was something similar to soviet

literature. she's still not small. what i created positively. right, right? let 's learn, let's learn. why don't you repeat this? i understand now the incredible number of people who have received writer's tickets are now easy to record. for example, i would carry out a certain kind of re-certification for a country like belarus so that a maximum of 200 people is enough for us to have over 70 of them in our union . not money that was dismissed, but there were also more than a thousand, and well, there can’t be so many people in real writers, the story only shows that well, the era, let’s say 5-7-10 human. maybe real poets and about 20 people still say pushkin on this same circle

, so pushkin's circle on this tyutchev circle also left something worthy of the rest. well, they write. eh, but it's not literature. they write. it's better than writing somewhere in the suburbs or playing domino but it's still, let's say, not a profession. these are not real creators. real want some. and with this , even the bad renaissance should be helped, why is it such a lie or mikhailand waiting for some reason, because there were those who ordered it all for those who helped them live, if the state is aware that it is high art, but it must be really high. really stand, do not sweat. we will pay you when you do. and how is it then , how does a person do it later, if he doesn’t have it, it’s money to buy. now yes, how then? no, it is necessary to first determine that this is the creator, and then support him. so

it was probably possible to do. if he didn't, maybe say sorry, we made a mistake. you're not a creator, well, i see, so without the state there can't be an opera theater, for example, never under any market conditions, may be in the original ballet. all this should be supported by the state. and it is supported in our country in our country, i compared it much with russia, they dream of the state publishing to someone, they even give up to it in our country. albeit small, but we have fees. well, things are better, she said, only dream of doing it all the same. but we talked before the interview. all my life i have advocated a certain grant system, namely the state grant system, when funds are purposefully created and these they exist, well, in some areas they really exist precisely in relation to writers, scriptwriters, artists

, sculptors, those who are really talented , and the allocation of grant is a mark of the state that he is necessary, interesting, talented. unfortunately, this was understood in the west earlier than yes, and therefore all these awards appeared, there is still someone who receives them, only exclusively people because of their position were those who came out, uh, those people who later became the soul of the protests. well they are doing the same now. all these newly-minted nobel laureates are politicized and are called to tell the truth completely. i mean belarusian origin. yes, it is obvious that this was done in defiance of the state to the detriment of the state, so here i will note not talent. well, your grandson was a children's military-patriotic camp of valor, where

they trained young special forces, an amazing fact for me, i really read it with pleasure. why are they so worthy today words, like valor, honor, patriotism, duty, at some point they became almost abusive, we began to be embarrassed of them, and now , how do you like the current cringe and hype, yes, which we use all the time, which broke down in the heirs of the great history and the great war . and here's how to fix it? as i heard, these are the words that generally twitch me. sorry, yes, that i used them in a belarusian sanatorium, in which the recipe is written in russian letters. why is this done in stavropol? i just can't find it there at all. i have his name in russian there language. well, by the way, in moscow it is very little. well , why do you buy and watch a plane ticket in

russia for domestic flights in english? well, we're still in front of them doing it. that's in addition to all the regalia and awards. after all, you are also an outstanding translator, not only of a poet, but of authors. this video was translated by horace lorca and borkhiz dubogdanovich, kupala translated creative and reworked. you can say so, yes, and that's why i call translations a transcription, because i translate a lot of the application there. well, here is the twentieth year. he is showed such ust cultural and historical baggage. he is very many people , and, i would even say, maybe our viewers will understand me correctly in two generations up to twenty and even up to 40 years, not all of them. true, thank god well, for many

unfortunately, but after all , everything has already been written by those whom you translated, so what is the problem difficulties in translation. here for these generations, yes or such a catastrophic uneducated. i think no one else but a disastrous lack of education. now she scores everything, because you look here, no, there is no continuity anywhere journalists, young it’s like not even journalists, compared to what it was say 40 years ago, they don’t know how to write a felito, but they don’t know what a problematic article is, i don’t know what is judicial site, and from which side for this is taken. uh, i honestly confess to you, some do not know who georgy konstantinovich zhukov is, they cannot explain who stalin or lenin is, unfortunately, this is a fact, right? and what to do with it explain explain we missed a lot of things, so we wanted to do it in the western

and education was transferred to this system and all that. well, the west liked it. why should this be started? why what do we have? well, of course, they missed a generation, and not one of us grew up after the collapse of the union, about which for more than 30 years a generation of people has grown up who have never lived in a single country. they have already received education and started families of their children. they have never lived with russians in the same state with russia, having heard enough of something that comes through the press, there is television through cinema, which is american cinema. in general, i consider an ambush regiment, which simultaneously. a stream, or something, only exclusively american fighters, nothing else. well, they have the concept of a state order, there is precisely this kind of film. it's true, but

they are waiting for us, they dumped it on us, and they themselves read books. now e has been weaned from us to read. so, why was it so stupid to take something? why don't you know? it has always amazed me. well, everything must exist, as the president, the work took place. it is necessary to engage in saving, the young generation is nothing strangled with it. everything is fine. explain to me then you come to perform somewhere like this now. they are accustomed to treat me. well, why should i and why? well, when you come, they start listening at the beginning, and then they start asking questions, and you can see that they become interested. where else can you read it. where can i get your book. and where, how, well, elevated people and good people with us. now, if about fashionable revolutionary literature, yes, indeed, they often begin, in contrast to our work

, to recall remarque himingway, calling them revolutionaries, and to use them as revolutionary knowledge. well, you were translated quietingway, he really has a lot of chopped poems about the war, well, he has a corresponding biography well, is it true, these authors are actually revolutionary, you as a specialist, you can say and are called to the barricades, as they now want to present a very large writer that i'm not talking about the level. this is, in general, so, in my opinion, a person who accidentally fell into the era with his works, which are so often referred to. well, these are really great writers. well, it’s another matter that they don’t have prices in their homeland, even because there now

why else is it not needed in america, not armed, not the other says nothing , too, prefers to read something lighter there, like some of these militants and all that , where the americans generally win. in fact, america is for everyone. eh, beautiful appeared in ukraine. this is also ukraine previous to gathered. it's the same one to one. well, the americans do not have such a slogan, but they also say all this, that they are the best of all, more significant than all. uh, that's why the whole world wants to subdue you. i always remember that well, there were 300 years back. there was no america, of course, and life was somehow worse for sure. well, look at the national literary prize of belarus and the large literary prize of russia , the order and medal of francis skaryna from the hands of the president, and a very fresh award, the order from

patriarch kirill, together with our employee vyacheslav bondarenko. this is a sign. it doesn’t matter. now, if we touch on a little religious topic , maybe if we cannot teach children to analyze and read good books, then it's time to return to religion. maybe in religious literature is the very key to the souls, well, which we lost at some point, the power is still from god and all these trials. we also deserve certainty. and i'm not convinced that faith, religion and love are three sisters. they cannot exist one from the other; they do not exist. it's just that at some point in society such a criminal stupidity was committed when they began to destroy temples. but then

stalin nevertheless said, brothers, that he once remembered what happened during the war. it's true like that. well, you can treat differently to religion, but the lord nevertheless realized the lord supports us and gives strength to the existence of verses. and the creator of the capital letter is the lord this is something strange, the writer must understand the place that is entrusted to him.

it’s impossible not to agree, but i have to ask in ukraine , because the society was split on religious grounds, and our fugitives didn’t hide their plans to pull off this number, and for belarus , i’m sure they will try to implement them again and again on this kalika, and the training of belarusian militants more of them running in blood in ukraine, this is also no coincidence. it is all the vision of one chain. this is a subtle topic, but how to prevent exactly in belarus, here is the repetition of this ukrainian scenario in the religious issue. when you said that there is no fight yet. and nip in the bud. well, look

, we have created in ukraine, this is not being created seriously. anyone can say that. i am now the lord god, i am christ, but everything must be such that it comes from somewhere, this is all historically justified. well, this thomas was not recognized anywhere in the world, well, they created several churches and all. no, it's not like it's illegal. so i talked with many of our feelings, they don’t even say baptism, which they understand there. this is also considered a person from ours. uh, they still have the concepts anyway at some point, this family state supported this split in the eighteenth year, of course. and that is exactly what happened. it seems to me, a starting point or i am mistaken. they have a lot of things so the state supported them. and now they also recently wrote down that they painted an icon. the world has turned upside down

at least within this region, but the main thing is the spiritual literary prize of the russian orthodox church, yes, it was awarded for the contribution to the establishment of spiritual and moral values ​​in the life of a modern person of the family and society. here, looking at what's going on in the world. sometimes it seems to me that belarus is that very country. a utopia of starvation, where those very moral values ​​still remain. here you do not have such an idea in this wrote seven years ago. what exactly is oasis with such pure real literature moreover, there was such a case in belarus that a new magazine is being published in america. this is a very interesting exposition, but in 1943

all these were established with the participation of ivan bunin, so they reprinted the whole world of russian literature. this is the most famous magazine of the russian diaspora, so marina somehow found out at home that a magazine of russian literature was being published in minsk. what are you doing there? we don't know anything, and i sent the work of two prozharikov and eight poets. after that, they had a real sensation. and we did not know that in some belarus can be such a real world level, we will have a world level. they published it all. i have magazines sent numbers, what is all this

published? often. of course not, i don't know. for some reason, our literary circles were not interested in who is located, but nevertheless it all happened. as remarque, what did i manage to get acquainted with? i really advise white on white temporary eternity. yes, this is a must read. your authorship, but i will definitely look, more. i like. here's the latest about a philosophical question. unfortunately we have started. for you, this is not only the independence day of our motherland, but also a birthday, and this year is the anniversary, you always celebrate this holiday with festive fireworks.