the interaction of international organizations discussed the regional situation and in april we held an intergovernmental commission. yes , that is, perhaps this is the first country in the european union yes, with which we have managed, in principle, to restore these formats of interaction and successfully implement them. moreover, there are quite good prospects in terms of economic cooperation, and we have been doing this work and will continue to do so, and in general, we have a very clear vision of our head of state. uh in as part of our economic presence, the president clearly said that there is no need to leave the markets of europe, where it is possible that we should maintain and where it is possible to press our presence by reception, therefore this work is being carried out, work is being carried out along the lines of business unions. this is probably the most today. ah, an accessible formula. e, interaction with european countries, but we continue contacts with e.

at the political level and with think tanks and i hope sooner or later. we can. although we have, of course, learned serious lessons learned from our previous experience with the european union. and, of course, we will take them very seriously in our further work with them. in her message, the president quite emotionally said that if the twentieth year had not happened in belarus, then it would just have to be invented. what lessons have you learned for yourself from the events of 2020 years to talk about the lessons. i would probably look even more back at the last decades, yes , which preceded, uh, the twentieth year, when we are really on the outside political. eh, the circuit succeeded. er, well, enough to successfully line up. uh, such a multi-vector interaction with our strategic partners also told me very much about russia and the eurasian countries, the chinese people's republic, we are an asset.

we developed cooperation with the countries of the distant arc, we actively engaged in dialogue and cooperation with the countries of the european union. and even the united states and this cooperation was built systematically. here we have reached the stage when almost all restrictive measures and all sanctions against the republic of belarus were either canceled or suspended. this collaboration really confirmed. yes, belarus occupies a worthy place in the system of international relations and evenly develops relations with all the centers of the big world, but we were constantly told by european partners that we would be interested in support and strengthening. sovereignty of this independence of your country. this is emphasized at various levels. you know that there were a lot of visits, including high-level visits to the countries of the european union, the united states, but the events of the twentieth year, showed how hypocritical was the policy

of the countries of the western attitude of our country. i think that not only we saw it , the whole world saw it. and for us today it is absolutely obvious. yes, any arrangements that we can have with the strange west, they have a limited shelf life. forgive me for this expression, so we will take these lessons into account when building our further dialogue important question where does the motherland begin ? and if the event of the twentieth year had gone differently, then it would have been exactly like this, therefore, of course,

a strong country with a strong leader, belarus has demonstrated its ability to resist itself and the outlined ones. the challenges and threats that we faced in the twentieth year successfully overcome them and calmly move on. we have learned these lessons. i think the whole world has learned these lessons. and what is the number one question for the minister of foreign affairs of belarus today question number one is the protection of the sovereignty and independence of our state with all the available means that we have in the foreign ministry , not only in the central office and in our foreign institutions. i think that this is the basis, yes, which actually today should be the number one issue for every diplomat.

my name is elena bormatova. i am a correspondent for a special television news agency, belteria

radio company. i would like to talk about my large-scale project, which we are doing together with the state security committee without a statute of limitations in the studio svetlana smolonskaya and tatyana shcherbina and today our colleague elena bormatova is our guest. lena good afternoon. good afternoon , elena well, our viewers know you as a tv journalist. not only as a correspondent, but also as an author of documentaries. you are currently working on a cycle. roca ages ago in cooperation with the state security committee. what is unique about this project? well, the uniqueness of e, first of all, is that for the first time we are revealing, let’s say, some

moments, and criminal cases, which today , after decades of 50 and 60 years, are the state secret of belarus and it’s clear that we can’t show. eh, everything that is hidden. yes , as they say, but some things, that is , documents on which the flu is not classified. we show that before us , no one did these criminal cases. seen just a few people people who aroused these criminal cases. and the people who keep, that is, the employees of the central archive of the state security committee, and we name the criminals for the first time , the names of nazi accomplices may be heard. yes, the collaborators of people who during the years of world war ii took the oath of allegiance to the third reich were destroyed as peaceful soviet citizens, including children elena

but when you touch these documents, which you really saw there only literally there 1 2 3 people . what are your feelings? but it's hard for me to say feelings, what i experience at that moment, i'm just doing my job, and i'm looking for, uh, in these criminal multi-volume criminal cases , some moments that are like. it seems to me that they should be of interest to the viewer, that is, to me and for example, it is always interesting to see hmm the profile of the arrested person in what sense, and i always refer to the year of birth at the time of the crime. how old was this man? did he have children at the time of the crime? and when his parents were alive when he was arrested, i'm always interested to know how his parents felt when they arrested their son what the wife felt when she found out the truth about her husband, what the children felt

when they found out the truth about their father, because in fact terrible things happened yes, people returned after the great patriotic war. mm lived a normal life were honored people at work. here we read the testimonials, and on those arrested when he established himself at work as a do-it-yourself worker. many already had children. but many in the forty-fourth year, when the front was advancing, they got rid of, uh, the same ss clothes, well, or from clothes police joined the ranks of the red army. we went further to liberate europe, often received injuries and returned as invalids of the great patriotic war. their styles here are like veterans of the great patriotic war. they spoke well of their heroic past. they received awards, both for the capture of berlin and for the capture of koenigsberg. that is, they were honored people, and with me

, many continued some kind of military career there, and, uh, shoulder straps were removed from them already upon arrest, and many occupied some high positions. positions yes, why did this happen the defect of the special services for the forty-fourth year, it was an occupied territory. ah, they are documents in civilian clothes. well, the germans burned the villages, because there are a huge number of villages. we have destroyed. go. check that, there is some kind of minimum check. they naturally passed, but the main test is a test in combat. here, he is a battlefield, he has proven himself well. but many even left, not only there, in the ranks of the red army, detachments also joined in partizansk and there was also a check and many even some many some such cases were that they were not just in a partisan detachment. and partizan well, let's just say the nkvd unit, that is, where they served, in fact, the chekists

are professionals scouts, uh, and check the battles. they proved themselves and received awards and returned to civilian life. good self. but, nevertheless, the secret services continued to work. even after there under 30-40 years. they still found these, of course, they even took them. we are such a loud example, only a machine gunner. yes, they are a woman. yes, the executioner woman they were looking for for more than 30 years, belarus, uh , suffered in the forties like no other. uh, the country of uh europe is an occupied country in europe, we had the largest number of concentration camps. we burned the largest number of settlements, killed civilians and you see the final figure. we do not know all this today. e, we still have to find out . hmm, a lot of research and scientific work is to be done, and elena , one of your films in the cycle was released on

the eightieth anniversary of the khatyn tragedy. e , let's see small fragments tragedy we break sealing wax from archival documents. we couldn't tell the truth, which was actually easy, shot, or what? i have information there was closed for today there are no white spots, what happened in the forest village 80 years ago, people who were looking for and interrogated. even there there is nothing, let's name those who burned and

shot 149 people. so the translator of the battalions, lukovich, in front of the doors was installed an easel machine gun, behind which it’s not a pity for three, and then people began to beat out and fire at the running out millennium of the tragedy a documentary from the series without a statute of limitations, that there are no more white spots. and indeed , many, many films have been written and filmed. well, you made some discoveries for yourself. i don’t even know , it’s impossible to say interesting facts, maybe some unique facts. well, even in this fragment that was shown uh grandmother,

who says that the scream was heard, and at the moment of the tragedy. it was a girl who lived in a neighboring village literally 1.5 km away. this is directly this is a direct witness of those events. she went with uh kids and from khatyn to school. she sat at the same desk with them, and therefore, for a kilometer and a half, that is, the glow was visible in her village and the bullets flew there, that is, to find such a person. this, of course, is journalistic luck and hmm, i want to say thank you to the people who helped us in creating the film in the same local historians, and the same stories, historians who deduced, uh , they said to such people that there is still such a grandmother. she's already there at 87, but they sometimes, uh, changed their plans and went to record these people, because we know that today they exist, but tomorrow it may happen, it’s scary they will no longer be. and who , if not them, can tell us what they

saw with their own eyes, but it is unique that the person who conducted the investigation , the person who arrested the criminals vasyuru, is still alive. and not only that. when we talk about tyne, the name vasyura always comes up first. but there was, uh, the 118th ukrainian police battalion, which consisted of several hundred people, and there was also a ukrainian company from the direvanger battalion of the most cruel punitive units of nazi germany and hmm, members of the der-livanger battalion were arrested back in the sixty-second year. they were judged by several lawsuits. including one took place in minsk and then for the first time they started talking about the ukrainians burning khatyn. and let's, by the way, look at another fragment of one from this film. the fact that the executioners of khatyn were ukrainians during interrogation

back in the sixty-first was said by joseph kaminsky , the only adult who managed to escape from the burning barn, but ukraine was one of the 15 fraternal union republics a neighbor close country sister slav, so the first secretaries of the central committee of the communist party of belarus and ukraine decided not to pedal the situation. for a long time we did not open our archives, and we did not give these materials, that is, the information was closed for today e blank spots. no, we didn’t want to offend, we lived as one family now belarusians hmm belarus continues to help ukrainians, according to the state border committee, and since february 24, 22 , more than 100,000 citizens of ukraine arrived in belarus, we accept ukrainians, we provide assistance them with employment with housing, but part of the ukrainian society is not something that does not worry

about us, but they generally make statements that they are ready to kill us. here you have e pondered. you, perhaps, someday, like the west, managed to turn against belarus against russia. that's the development of russophobia in a fairly short time of 30 years. it seems to me that in ukraine, especially in ukraine, these trends were observed back in soviet times. but even before all these military events. and if you visited western ukraine in that including that lvov yes, otherwise they called the soviet period none other than the soviet occupation, and after all, if we take, even the 118th ukrainian police battalion that burned everything there, and the lion's share of the participants in this military unit come from western ukraine chernivtsi region, like rule, and but not only against, but russians , belarusians, they are set, and we remember,

donbass was the fourteenth year, when ukrainians killed ukrainians, when people were burned alive in odessa on may 2, 1914, and then the west was silent. and now be quiet the soviet army, which liberated the same europe, and poland hungary czechoslovakia passed all of europe, reached berlin now europe is demolishing monuments to the soldiers of the liberators monuments to the soviet soldiers of the liberators in european countries are being demolished first of all, and working out some kind of ideological policy, trying to manipulate the public opinion. uh, rewriting historical facts, and the events of the second world war, uh, and do everything possible to make the soviet union as a victorious country in the west. eh, everything, hush and hush less and less talk about it.

the winners of great britain america come to the fore from the country, and the soviet union has been talking about it less and less lately about a country that, in fact, won the goal that it lost. a huge number of tens of millions of people are there, belarus has lost every third inhabitant of its neighbors continue to arrange a monument to stalemate and the worst thing is that even on the eve of the mournful date of june 22 in lviv, which you already mentioned, three monuments were demolished at once soviet soldiers. here is one of them, and a couple of days before that, the monument to yuri gagarin was demolished well, because he is a soviet cosmonaut. here is how the official representative of the russian foreign ministry, maria zakharova, commented on the bust of the first cosmonaut gagarin, i'm just wondering, he's just now, from the point of view of the kiev regime, not the first cosmonaut. or was it not a cosmonaut or gagarin who was the first, or what happened to him? the monument stood for so many years, but the question was still normal,

what happened? moreover, it is absurd that they are from soviet scientists, uh, who were born on the territory of present-day ukraine and regardless of how these soviet scientists called themselves, how they were recorded in their own documents, how they felt in accordance with the cultural code , they also attribute, and hmm, ukraine is recorded as ukrainians. well, as a matter of fact, as far as i remember, at least, and no one has refuted this according to the information that now and uh, korolev is the inventor of korolev, too, but a ukrainian. it turns out that i have this question then, if e korolev is ukrainian, then why him, but in every sense of creation. why gagarin then? and demolish the memory of a monument to him, this is some kind of absurdity. well , after all, some kind of logic is needed here, a test

of logic, no. yes, no logic, if in ukraine they demolish monuments to the same gogol who was considered their national, uh, genius, yes, yeah, then there is the same poland, after all, poland during the great patriotic war, and the territory of poland is several of the largest death camps. and shvets stremblinka has a sobibor. uh, the nazi unit killed thousands of polish residents poles well now poland what does it demolish monuments to the soviet soldiers who liberated them from nazism liberated them from the brown plague, in general, everything happens the world turns absurdity absurdity upside down and at the same time. here, uh, yes, ukraine demolished a monument, gagarin, uh, demolished monuments to other figures and a liberator warrior, and at the same time,

but puts up monuments to bandera and hmm bandera's birthday is a national holiday of ukraine, a person who destroyed ukrainians, too, let's not babiyar forget. there are tens of thousands of jews, and not only had a hand in it destroyed. e. the same, bendera , the same 118 ukrainian police battalion, also participated there, then they were transferred from kiev to belarus, supposedly the official version to fight the partisans, but we all know how they fought the partisans, destroying the civilian population of children. when i looked at the corners. the case is the same, vasyura, at the time of the crime he already had a little daughter, his daughter was born before the war. and that is, it was already a father, who should have had some parental feelings. just i watched like that, how children are burning, that is, i don’t understand this, when we worked on this film in grodno, we recorded the investigator who conducted these criminal cases, and he

told how they arrested the lapusta in donetsk, he lived enough miner. well, her daughter, who studied at the institute, and at that time headed some kind of komsomol organization, was in good standing. when she found out, she wanted to throw herself out of her window a little, they restrained this girl, that is, for her. it was a shock and i understand because she grew up in ignorance for her. papa was the dearest, closest, most beloved person, he knew this truth, and for sure, dad said that he fought, defended his homeland and performed feats, of course. of course, or the same katryuk. uh, they call him the last executioner of khatyn, who died already, in my opinion, in 2015, if i’m not mistaken in canada and the soviet union and then independent belarus canada did not extradite him and then he also financed, well,

invested one of, let's say patrons, and the monument to the ukrainian nazis in chernivtsi, that is, he was made an honorary citizen of chernivtsi and i, when i read it, too, but the protocols of interrogation. here are the members of this 118 police battalion. one of them says yes, our territory belonged to hungary until the fortieth year and then became ukraine , when the nazis came , these nationalist ukrainian organizations began to recruit us in the so-called smoking, there was a bukovinian root . there was another idea. that they will not e participate in any military e actions e will not and ice cream was given out. and then they already, well, i don’t know if the word fought here is appropriate, but nevertheless they were oriented that they would take some kind of action there, well, or fight for the independence of ukraine well, then they were transferred to a chicken. they, among other things, participated in the murders in baba yar but

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paper scissors on our tv channel. on the air say it again, don't be silent. and today our guest is the special correspondent of the tele news agency, the winner of the special award of the president elena bortova elena is the first film from the cycle without rockiness. you filmed about the concentration camp, illumine the viewers of the story that 50,000 old men of women and children and the nazis put up a human shield in front of the advancing units of the red army in the british army and the collaborators helped the people about whom we already spoke above all the same. do you have an explanation. why did these people agree? to serve as a fascist. apart from the fact that they saved their lives, i can’t find any other explanation. that is, everyone wanted to survive in these

conditions. how does this happen , no one cares after all? eh, when we were making a film on dealers, there was one such episode that shocked me in general. i couldn’t understand how it was when a man who went to the service of the nazis served as a levanger tree participated in punitive acts, because his mother died in one punitive action, and he still participated. that is. if he gave the order to shoot people no matter who was there? his godfather, brother, sister, uncle, aunt, he went following the order, that is, well, when your mother is killed, yes, he is in a parallel one, that is, he participated in the wrong village, but he was at the same time. uh, a few kilometers away, he destroyed it in another village. that is, he did not cooperate with those who killed his mother, that is, his friends in the same battalion. yes, he served with them in the same

battalion. i don’t know if it’s a pity there, they met each other’s hands or how it happened, but nevertheless, he communicated with the killers of his mother. that's what this is some kind of i don't know something bestial in a person. although in this case i don’t even want to offend the animals. i don’t know what , well, here’s a sense of self-preservation, but other people refused, even when the threat to their lives was shot by people who , in hundreds of thousands, ended up in the prisoner of war camps of the so-called talagi, dulags there, and the germans recruited someone and someone went to cooperate with the germans. and someone continued uh, hmm to starve. there they gave him a gruel of this, which food is difficult to name yes , and who died of typhus, which died from hunger, who died from beatings, who were killed, on whom they ate because they had not washed for months. yes, they continued to live like this, because they need some kind of pride, but a sense

of dignity, pride of responsibility, and they let me go to the side of the enemy, and someone e walked calmly, because they were recruited. uh, adver, german military intelligence and counterintelligence worked at the concentration camps. they laid a table for them, in fact, there was cognac and marmalade and coffee and the broken psyche of people. and hmm yes, that is, they see such abundance, they understand how they will live the same way we, when we were preparing films, we talked with investigators who were criminals. yes, but they say, they sometimes just calmly talked about it, they did not have any feeling of regret or repentance, there was and was. but what is interesting, because some cards of prisoners of war were preserved and the germans did not. well , they did not single out nationality in the same way as the ukrainians. they even had the letter u on their prisoner of war cards, because again, the ukrainians made

contact very easily. well, i don't want to offend this the nation will not speak for all ukraine facts speak for themselves and there were belarusians and russians. yes, i do not argue, but the majority of ukrainians. the same direvanger battalion. the same 118, ukrainian police battalion is also ukrainian , the sun, which was recruited in a concentration camp under e, lesnoy concentration camp near baranovichi in our country, in those days, people were used, as if bacteriological weapons, uh, they were infected with this typhus. let's see fragments of your oric movie. death camps in the area of ​​settlements shit, the littering boletus was experimental; it was planned to create it throughout belarus in places where, according to the nazi leadership , it would be extremely difficult to contain the advance of the soviet troops, and people infected with typhus would help stop the soldiers of the red army even in the elemental, when they reported to hitler about the

creation this slider. he said that if this very natural environment is a swamp and the conditions that they will create for the prisoners. that is, without medical care without pure water. without food. here, very quickly, it will begin to develop the chain to go it. if this epidemic does not, e, develop as quickly as necessary, we will already bring here people infected with chain typhus and brought here 7,000 people in germany at this time a special brochure of the manual is being published, where it is described in detail. this is action. how to carry out the deportation of the civilian population? how to infect defenseless people with typhus and how to create a front line barrier of children ? and now? strictly speaking, we we see the news about something there, but an american biological laboratory was discovered, then suddenly in one country, then in another , that is, all over the world, in fact, that is , nazi methods continue, but the fact is that

nazi germany wanted to apply more chemical weapons on the kursk bulge and thanks to special groups , including the nkvd partisan intelligence, and this was prevented, and since a in the red coast near gomel, naughty was discovered and the sample was sent to moscow and with chemical weapons and e to hitler then hmm america's leaders england, including stalin, was invited to the broadcast. and it was said that if, uh, you use chemical weapons, then the soviet union and the allies have the right to use them against. uh, the wehrmacht and some nazi units on the kursk bulge, but they didn’t use chemical weapons, but the nazis did not stop and they decided, uh, to use bacteriological weapons against the children of old people and women. yes, the death camp, azarichi.

this is one of the worst death camps. we are talking about concentration camps, but this is precisely the death camp, and unlike the same terrible, and the faces. there were no rooms here. there were no barracks here, it was an open area. hmm. it was a swamp. it is the beginning of march, when the temperature drops below 15°, there are a few children during the day. uh, in general, they didn’t feed people, they threw some kind of bread, which consisted of sawdust, and another plane flew, which was sprayed. these gases and no medical assistance, that is, we are now, yes, we are going outside, it is at -15 °, and we are in clothes. sometimes it’s cold for us and it seems, it would be faster to go into the room . there are 24x7 people in the swamp have no. even sometimes warm clothes from their houses.

uh, they took away and veli many along the way and lost their shoes, but they took them away when they entered this camp, like a camp, yes, that is, uh, in fact, into a swamp on the territory of the swamp, which was covered with barbed wire from them they took away everything and documents. and there are some warm things. someone had some kind of cracker had bonfires, they were not allowed to kindle. that is, if someone kindled a fire in some way to save the children. babies were there too. hmm , automatic fire right there. we even recorded but a prisoner of the ozar death camp. uh, faith, kuryan, and she until now, how much time has passed 80 years? yes, she still says, i'm afraid of the fire. i can't go near the fire even during the day. that is, how much a person's psyche was disturbed in childhood. uh, we remembered vera kuryan hmm in our recent episodes with andrey gulakevich. he told the story and told the story of her brother who was there trying to e out of a can of stew that he had thrown away

the rest of. uh, german, uh, scrape your finger and anoint your mother's lips, which was lying on earth and the second is also another even more terrible story. not even one spoke. we are another member of this death camp, illumine. nadezhda los did you record it too? elena well , of course, it is impossible to listen to such stories without tears. and, probably, it is also important here to note the fact that we are meeting on the eve of the big independence day holiday of the liberation of belarus, that some time ago you talked with juvenile prisoners of the district camp, and there were eight to ten of them, and the first film was shot in 2019 year. they were probably well we 8-10 people signed up. and, when the film was shot already in the twenty-second year, when it became known that collaborators participated there, and the citizens were former citizens of the soviet union who went to the service of the nazis, and of those people whom we recorded

3 years had passed, and in only vera kuryan, vera sergeevna kurenko, who lives in bobruisk but in the nineteenth year, was alive. i have been looking for her for a very long time. why did she have a photograph of her when the camp was liberated, and then a military photographer captured her. and here it is here is the most famous photograph, when a girl is standing, with big eyes and something wrapped around her head, like a scarf and it turns out it was a grandfather on a shirt. that's about mom. she told her mother, because they considered her dead, they didn’t want to evacuate her, and then grandfather put glass on her mother’s lips, and , well, in this way, mother saved her, and there are a huge number of such cases, but there, uh, when even in the nineteenth year we filmed first film. unfortunately, prisoner of this camp. uh, it’s hard, he was ill, he couldn’t meet with us. now he is no longer alive. and i don’t remember exactly where he lived, but it seems to me in gomel and

hmm, he was born in the azarich death camp. that is, his mother gave birth to him, and his only place of birth was written in the ariche death camp, what kind of paradox will be born in the death camp, yes, but you know that i succeeded too, maybe some kind of journalist. good luck in the nineteenth year. when we went on a business trip to germany to shoot there in the bundes archive, including documents on the death camp, azarichi, and we recorded an interview. well with the guard's grandson this camp. he was born, after the war he did not see edushka. uh, his grandfather got it. uh, in bobruisk in the boiler of the bobruisk boiler was in captivity at the beginning of the forty-sixth year. at the end of the forty -fifth he returned to germany and speed died. just a few months later. he grew up without seeing his grandfather. the only thing he saw is a photograph of grandfather a and that's it. for a while he was told that his grandfather was heroin, he fought all the time on the eastern front, and when he himself became a grandfather, he wanted to know, uh,

the historical past of his water. yes, he sent requests, including the bundes archive, the red cross, and when the answer came from the bundesarchive that he served there in the 35th infantry division , he began to search on the internet what kind of division it was and where it had fought even before it arrived, and he says the answer from the red cross is that my hair is already moving. and when confirmation came from the red cross that yes, grandfather was in the death camp, azarichi. he tells me, i realized that i must look into the eyes of the people whom my grandfather deprived of their childhood. to ask for forgiveness to repent, or simply, probably, because he came repeatedly to belarus even earlier, and he met with the prisoners. i told him how much you were. well, it's hard. i don't know if it was scary to watch. he said yes very scary. i was afraid that, well, people would almost tear it apart,

but those prisoners who passed through this death camp as children greeted him quite good-naturedly. he was very surprised by this, and at the same time his own, brother, who does not want to hear anything about what is happening here, because their grandfather. he was a wehrmacht soldier and the wehrmacht was just following orders. even today in germany there is a doctrine criminal, but criminal ss and impregnable vermah. that is, but the fact that the german army was involved, including the destruction of ten. thousands of civilians try not to talk about this. elena, before watching this movie, youtube issues such a warning, and this content may scare or shock some users. who or what do you think this foreign platform cares about and hmm the second question is, should such films be shown to schoolchildren, for example, or should

their psyche be protected by children who already at least 10-12 years old , it is necessary to show this so that they know the truth, after all. yes, we protect them. mm, take care of their psyche. ah, but they are watching even more terrifying content. after all, we don’t show some horrors for 26 minutes, but we show what happened, but on this territory, and we show in a photograph or video from criminal cases, that is, when the excavations were carried out, there was some kind of skull and some bones - those are particularly cruel things. we try not to show. uh-huh but ahh a child who studies history and who studies history of his country and wants to know the truth about what happened, they serve as some kind of pro-western or western, and the sources of information that they present. e the same story as expressed, but in the context

that is beneficial to them. i mean, they do. they, too, and hmm let's say, are guided by their information policy. well, we even remember how even in the twenties , in my opinion, videos with grandfathers began to appear, who said, well, it’s normal under the germans, they even gave kerks, of course, yes there were such and there are such today, right? and the fact that the partisans they say the partisans robbed there and that's it. why don’t they remember the rest, when, for example, the partisan blockade is going on, because the same wehrmacht, the same nazi other units that were already here on we are on the territory. there are no men. yeah no men, that means a bandit village, that means all partisans. and the fact that people on the fronts are also fighting. this was of no interest to anyone, and in sarai they burned both a two-year-old child and a 15-year-old child were stolen there in germany yes, in khatyn the same 7 weeks old , the youngest child at the block of women,

when they were saved there under the christmas trees, they hid the children , they returned, an hour later. he will also stab that this child had already done to the nazis there and, as a rule, they themselves had de- yes, there were young people who did not experience the instinct of fatherhood, there were those who themselves, uh, in germany, children have recently become more interested. here, even among children, to the topic of the great patriotic war, to those events that took place during the years of occupation on the territory of belarus, this is said about the museum staff who observe uh, people's increased interest. i don't know if it could be. an initiative of teachers that brings children to the museum and some exhibitions. and the halls. maybe this is the interest of the children themselves, maybe here, and the influence is exerted by parents who in families talk about remembering their grandparents , great-grandmothers, great-grandfathers there, and uh , maybe a large number of war films that have recently been released on screen, but

in the compartment it's all in the complex. here is the result when the children really are interested in the events of the great patriotic war, including the topic, and the tragic moments that occurred on the territory of belarus during the years of occupation is another film. i would like to remember how you already mentioned the heroine of this film, the heroine in quotation marks, rather, the thin machine-gunner is called the girl with the eyes of satan, so ominous, we’ll see the video very much. the high-profile case of the seventy-eighth the girl executioner from the rune brigade was exactly not the same as the concert germany-machine-gunner shot one and a half thousand people 20 people and shoot brutal. she said. this is my work, they were looking for it throughout the soviet union , they found it in belorussky lepel, they took it at

the workplace. she left the city with her head up after 35 years. she looked into the eyes of those whom she did not have time to kill, one might say. a girl with the eyes of satan, while her portrait hung on the honor roll, she spoke to schoolchildren, as a war veteran taught children patriotism, an absolutely wild story. i believe in a wild story. and you know me. eh, even when i was working on the film. i'm not even talking about thought she was teaching patriotism to the children. and before that, she cleaned 1,500 people. i had the worst. uh, what was it like for her children her children

she had children yes, she had two daughters and a husband who lived with her for 33 years. here imagine there the same story was that she looked after him in the hospital. he himself comes from polask. his whole family, relatives , died in polotsk. ghetto. he is jewish with a surname. well, and when, after the war, he could not return to his native place, because everything was reminiscent of the tragedy, there was no one at home from relatives, but he returned closer to his homeland . and he brought her to lepel and 33 years later. he learns the truth about her when his whole family all his relatives died at the hands of the nazis. his wife is an accomplice of the nazis and the people with whom he, in fact, lived all his life for 33 years. she already has daughters at this point, when she was arrested, she was married. wherein. she was sure that they would give her 3 years and let her go when we

recorded the historians of the special services there. and by the way, this is a criminal case, so far classified, it is kept in bryansk why in bryansk because she committed a crime? uh, in bryansk, as a rule, punishers were convicted in the territory where these crimes were committed, and the only thing that we were allowed to remove the cover was to take some photographs, therefore, uh, since the case is classified until today, a huge number of conjectures are the inventions of the photo shooter-machine gunner. so, when they talked with people, they said that she was under interrogation. yes , she led absolutely calmly in the cell. she said, yes, they will give me more than a three-year-old, we are women in the soviet union do not shoot, especially the seventy-eighth year. it was the year of a woman in the soviet union , especially in the year of a woman in the soviet union she still doesn’t shoot. and she said she had plans. she had problems with her eyesight. she wanted to have an operation as soon as she got out of there, moreover, when the court was in bryansk. she , uh, demanded a hairdresser. that is, she

wanted to look spectacular at the court, when she was arrested, she did not write a line, neither to her children, nor to her husband. that is, for some time the husband walked up and down the thresholds and said that some error has occurred. she is a veteran of the great patriotic war, this cannot be. but it turned out to be true. that's the correct name, after all, the girl with the eyes of satan. and here i am, when i wrote down near bryansk, uh, witnesses who saw this grandmother, who was a fragment. she remembers her as a child, she remembers how she walked in these chrome boots, how she always walked with a whip in her skirt, and often drunk, although they say, this is also one of the myths. why did she shoot drunk nothing like that, that is, she served as a nazi with the nazis are strictly in a row with this. she could then drink there, but she was shot, she always went sober. so they always said

about her eyes, that she had some kind of terrible eyes. and not a single person told me about this in an interview. and so, that's why i somehow spontaneously came up with this name of the film somehow. well, it just sort of happened. now let's take a moment. let's break after a short pause. we will return to this studio again, while subscribe to our telegram channel. that's what it's called say do not be silent, but look for all our releases on the youtube channel, belarus 1. the program is on air again , say, do not be silent, and our guest is elena bormatova, special correspondent of the beltele tv news agency of the radio company. elena, you make materials on absolutely different topics, but i noticed that the military theme is somehow especially close to you. why? well, i don’t know, since school , the theme of the great patriotic war was very close to me. as a child, i loved to read books about the great patriotic war films. yes, i still love the military. movies to watch especially those related to

the great patriotic war. well, probably, as in every belarusian family with us. eh, also its own history of the war. i fought two grandfathers , one went missing in stalingrad, so far we do not know where he is buried. they searched for him, his brothers did not find his father, then the older generation of my cousins, and we only found out in the twenty-first year. uh, well, how do we count the money of death, as in official documents, then the day you will be here, and then they didn’t know anything at all, but second grandfather. i was here on the territory. belarus was a partisan fought in a fairly well-known partisan brigade defeat on the territory of the minsk region was a gunsmith. he created in the partisan detachment. the armory workshop has its own weapons, and its weapons are stored in the museum of the great patriotic war, including, well, in

a permanent exhibition. that is, we can come directly to see. yes, chagrinov pyotr vladimirovich, let's touch history. the museum can also have a photograph of him. well, you are in the museum of the great patriotic war and in chervinsky museum museum chervene, because he himself comes from the shcherbinsky district. and the formation of the rout brigade also took place on the territory of the cherven region. or well, you are so keenly interested in the history of the history of belarus hmm well, the modern history of belarus is the war years , also the modern history of belarus, but nevertheless they chose it. you are journalism. why me? i can’t even say why you know that i had it, probably, at some such subconscious level, i told my parents that i would be a journalist, i don’t know yet it's good if i went to the first class, and maybe even earlier acquaintance with different ones. eh, here are new people, but somehow it has an impact on you personally, maybe on your destiny in your life. well, i don’t know about the fate of life, but

here, with regard to the same information, because there is a huge amount , that is already in school in adulthood . and as a rule, every film makes me hmm take on literature myself. that is, not that i recorded the interview , i watched the interview based on interviews of people. i wrote the text. not every movie. i buy some documentary fiction books. i have more information on the internet. i download some scientific papers for myself, because i have to myself. to delve into that topic, so that later i can clearly tell this to the audience and my task is to pick it up. e words in such a way that the viewer gets goosebumps when, for example, i call on some other topic there with my former hero or people who participated in films, and they say, oh, and we showed this film to schoolchildren

at history lessons there or some other, i am pleased when people say, thank you for the work done. well, it's worth a lot when you realize that you didn't just do it, you had a task, you completed it and that's it. and when this task, when this work finds, and the response from people, well, this is doubly pleasant. and there is a topic for which you will never take it, and whether there were such topics already in well , i couldn’t say for sure. well, i don't know what will happen tomorrow, therefore, but for now i do not know what it is not. maybe not? yes, ok but on tv. you have been working for a long time as an old-timer of the beltele radio company in the good sense of the word. yes, there were the first, leading regional news, what is more interesting , work in the studio or work in the fields, work in the fields, firstly, something new happens every day, and you do not sit still. today you are in minsk tomorrow you are in the gomel region, the day after tomorrow you are in brest there you are still

in russia when it was open before borders, you and in germany anywhere, u you meet so many people, m-m. well legends in a good way. yes, when a few years ago we did the brest fortress project, which was recently repeated. yes , the hero outpost, because he thought on a larger scale. we wanted to tell about the heroes defending the brest fortress in a personalized way to tell about each. but we are talking about the defenders of the brest fortress there. we remember some major. gavrilova yes , and some other people, but we wanted to talk about famous people who are not well known to tell their lives, but the pandemic intervened in our plans, but thank god that we managed to record at least five episodes. yes , when we were filming the film, three defenders were alive; today there are none, not a single one. we recorded an interview with kotelnikov, and we recorded an interview with our son. and samvel

matevosyan, if not for this work, when kotelnikov met these people, this is the very boy from the prototype of the boy from the movie brest fortress. yes, yes, tell me, in your work, uh, it’s more convenient, more interesting, better work in a team or you are a lone wolf no well, if i do such projects, definitely don't worry, how can you do it impossible to make television. it is always team work on the project, except for me, because there are cameramen and directors and assistant directors who help the same coordinating ones. a huge number of people are involved, this is not just not just this is not and not only the project of elena bormatova. by the way, i never umm stick out my name and stand out, i don’t single myself out absolutely. i never say documentary elena bormotova i always take a bath, he creates a documentary film for a tv news agency, because this is teamwork in the final

. the question is, we meet in the summer, summer is time, vacations, dream of relaxation or workaholic. well, of course, every person dreams of being on vacation. here. by the way, on the third of july we are working on independence day, a very busy day for television people, especially for information people, and even from the fourth of july. i'm leaving. here is the vacation where you will rest this time. well, i'll fly to the sea the sea is good. we just met with lena before recording. i say, well, elena , as always, you are on solovki, in fact, she has relatives there in karelia. she was there often and often spends there. let them combine nicely. again same with useful makes. uh, films for the till news agency. len was very glad to see you. thank you very much for inviting you to work. to do this, you really need to have a good rest, so that with renewed vigor again in our television fight. and our program is also going on vacation. so we are tatyana shcherbina

svetlana smolonskaya, we say goodbye to you. goodbye. and now elena bormanova is speaking, but i want to wish all the inhabitants of belarus not only a clear sky over their heads, but a peaceful, calm every day and , of course, i congratulate everyone on independence day, this is actually a holy holiday for every belarusian. you are good, remember the school curriculum, refresh it in your memory. young

intellectuals will help you. is it true that this engraving depicts the chinese philosopher confucius , the first emperor of all china who knows the inhabitants escape only if you give the right answers, who saved the life of the baby roma or not, but intuitively.

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