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you are good, remember the school curriculum, refresh it in your memory. young intellectuals will help you. is it true that this engraving depicts the chinese philosopher confucius is the son of shuhmandi, the first emperor of all china and who slutsky traveled? who knows the inhabitants of slutsk by passport, and when you were at a construction site, you can avoid it only if you give the right answers, who saved your life babies, rum, emulsion, she-wolf, even so the tower falls very much, when all my questions can be answered in the company
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managed to conduct successful negotiations with the head of the private military company wagner yevgeny prigogine, as a result of which his fighters abandoned further illegal actions, thereby stopping the largest domestic political crisis in russia in the last decade, which threatened with the most serious consequences, both for the russian people and for the union republic of belarus and putin or lukashenko is not a hero. we did our job, but we missed a lot and they didn’t even miss it, they gave importance to this now no one needs to be imprisoned. i'm just talking to a russian. hooray no one is needed as an agitator and patriot now there is no need to imprison anyone, to shoot, it is necessary to cool down and turn this page.
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the republican majority in the us congress, as part of an investigation into the dubious business transactions of the son of the american president, received the testimony of a witness who claims that joe biden was involved in the relevant scam , in particular, we are talking about a message sent in the summer of 2017 by hunter biden to one chinese businessman in which he directly demands to pay him off and at the same time refers to awareness of the situation of the father . in addition, according to the witness, the fbi and the us department of justice deliberately blocked the investigation against biden jr. for several years and concealed the information they had about his illegal actions. in the parisian suburb of nanterre, for several days there were riots and clashes with the police, provoked by the murder of a seventeen-year-old teenager by police during the arrest, a native of algeria , while checking his documents, tried to escape and was shot dead. this event
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stirred up the local large community of natives of north africa who began to smash shops and burn cars, the police, for their part, arrested almost two hundred rioters and actively used special means. tivista. george floyd's british pling about the rivalry of the british russian empire, as you know, wrote only when everyone dies kipling's big game will end, it's easier in his time there were no nuclear weapons. now words about all the mind. they cease to be hyperbole about why they don’t want to realize this in london and act as the main instigators of a big war and will be discussed in today’s program to disperse the fog, albion’s foreign policy , viktor savelyevich will help me today. master of political science. hello. hello. and pavel feldman deputy director of the institute for strategic studies and forecasts candidate
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associate professor of political sciences, i am glad to welcome you from our studio. mutually and igor england joins our broadcast british lawyer, international specialist, member of the writers' union of russia thank you very much for being with us today. good afternoon, by tradition, we begin our program with a blitz survey. there is a stable expression of an englishwoman crap. i think it is known to each of us to you personally , an englishwoman crap. pavel, if it was possible, if we talk about the british cat, then it happens periodically, and the sovereign. great britain well, not personally of course, in the relations of the russian federation yes, they crap, at least the middle of the 16th century, and sometimes even diva is given for what? well , that's how our story is. britain , of course, did not come up with political hypocrisy, but on this issue it reached the absolutely amazing igor, how would you answer this question. well, you know, returning to
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the englishwoman's initial, this expression is stable. he is another expression in his time. as the knights of the round table said. uh, news, we learn from the king's pot, so here is such a story two-valued, depending on which side to approach the knights have their own history; the rest of the world has its own attitude towards the queen. i probably would not just, uh, center the relationship between the anglo-saxon world and russia there , great britain and russia, starting from, as a colleague said, the sixteenth century. i think that the attitudes towards great britain and its politics are approximately the same in many countries of the world, where the british have left a lot of their own, and the traces have shattered the map and, accordingly, are reaping the fruits of this very internecine strife and on its colonialism. victor a
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do you think this expression is applicable to the current circumstances to the current game is a big sin, rather the situation is somewhat different england really reached after the bourgeoisie for the revolution of the 17th century to you, where the rapid development of england reached absolute power in the 19th century, it created a gigantic empire where never did not go, the sun is the territory. the british empire with colonies and dominions reached more than thirty million square kilometers, that is, somewhere at least one and a half times even more than the soviet union and concentrated huge financial resources in the middle of the xix century, england produced about half of the world industrial output. the industrial revolution began there for the first time since the end of the 18th century. and they were the first where this industrial revolution ended. that
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is, this absolute was mighty. such a monopoly country. and if we are talking about today, there is, of course, over the past 100-150 years the power of england has significantly decreased. but england does not want to become a second-tier country, and she wants to gain a foothold to be in the first positions anyway, and especially the recent events in ukraine, especially this is the chance for her to again become on a par with countries such as the usa china russia again to reach the first positions. they have excellent genetic memory. they have been the most powerful country for centuries and want to be at least among the first now, so they don’t shit, they fight for their place under the sun and you understand that there is another chance to rise. how exactly will they not have a war in ukraine. uh, you know, i think
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when we describe the russo-british rivalry , we apply the term big game to this rather long historical process. what is a big game, a small rubric our diplomatic dictionary attention to the screen big game a term describing the russian-british rivalry for dominance in central central asia in the period from 1813 to 1907 at this time, the russian empire motivated its expansion to the east by the desire to civilize backward peoples central asia to open a sales market for central asian goods, including cotton, and to stop the devastating raids of local peoples on its possessions, while britain was afraid of rejection of india and the strengthening of the russian empire on the world stage. in connection with its possible access to the indian ocean through persia and afghanistan after 1907, the struggle for the influence of central
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asia ceased. to be the sole concern of british and russian diplomacy, both sides had to reckon with the germany of modern history under a big game. many political scientists have in mind the struggle between nato and sco for influence in central asia, let's talk right now about what the uk is like as an actor in world politics, it is clear that the united kingdom has long ceased to be an empire. at the moment , there are a lot of problems with the army, fleet, and economy. london is gradually losing its status as the main financial center. perhaps you will correct me if you do not agree, but at the same time england remains a serious player in the uk anywhere. she did not leave the world war. uh, it's just that at some times, maybe even now she's more looks like a shady player, but in fact, its influence is political, and no less than it, maybe it was before great britain yes, if you take this
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island by itself. it's just there, the census of the 21st year, 53 million, if my memory serves me, but if we take the population of the countries that are members of the commonwealth of great britain, then this is already more than two e, 2.2, in my opinion, and that's a billion people. how does the uk manage to control its former colonies, moreover, the term colony itself, and left because of everyday life only since 2002, they were replaced, but by dependent territories, but , nevertheless, this status of great britain as a crown that dominates within the commonwealth, it remains a new wrapper that is present, and in the commonwealth it must be recognized. eh, as a given, the british know how to beautifully package their product to be a financial center or some kind of cultural cooperation, because within the commonwealth there are even commonwealth sports games, which , in my opinion, do not exist, but have recently ended. he says as if they are playing
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a very subtle game, because look at what i had a bed in this help professional diplomacy high-class intelligence, if we are talking about the 21st century, and the long game is part of the big game. this is not an instant result. this is a game of strategy. this is a game for the ages. and the ability to build controlled elites in controlled states. after all. we are talking about 53 million and what i wanted to emphasize. uh, what a large-scale gap of 53 million, the british against two, almost two and a half billion of the rest of the population, and this somehow needs to be controlled. how due to the creation of loyal kings, britain must be given her due. very successfully she came out of her imperial colonial period of history much more successfully than london did, for example. the same moscow that
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invested colossal resources in its asian republics will not use the word colony. but london, on the contrary, has always pumped out resources, all the best juices , strength, money, labor resources from its colonies, but at the same time, moscow has many regions that were once part of the soviet union or its sphere of influence. disliked despite the fact the help they received. but london is largely idolized. and that's exactly what was said. this was achieved primarily through soft power. here great britain understood before others that it is possible to bet on it even before the americans, how to preserve the colonial system must be done so that in these former colonies the elites have their financial interests, their personal future, the future of their children was tied to the metropolis in london and they achieved this paradoxically, russia at a certain stage of its history in
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the nineties. at the beginning of the 2000s, it almost became the same, a la colony of great britain, because the russian oligarchs transferred all their resources of their children to london with their assets. they would probably continue to do so now. if the policy of the uk has not changed, but still worth noting. yes, that's how he perceives, and the layman is a simple layman spectator , the information that we now hear from the uk yes, over the past 2 years , three premieres have changed in london and the cabinet or the strass in general. it seems to me that i remember only farewell to the queen and the catastrophic collapse of the fullt. and yet, as a result of such upheavals, britain does not leave the race. although neither china nor russia is the same, the republic of belarus here they can not imagine. to be allowed to have such a leapfrog to which sometimes it develops in the managerial litas. and at the same time relatively confidently go their own course. and i think that victor yes, you will agree with pavel and igor
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regarding the fact that albion has both certain instruments and estervision in a broad sense, which does not care who sits, but at the address downing color, 10 absolutely right, it doesn’t matter here. you're talking about managerial, uh, structures. well, it's formally the prime minister. they play far from the first violin. and there it doesn't matter who will be there. hmm boris johnson who was more into parties there. we remember, uh, i used to go forever shaggy or a sheet of times, which is generally for management, well, very far from management, or, less often, a son who now comes from a hindu environment, being the most ethnic hindu, fits perfectly into the english top. these are all high ranking. let's say managers are really power. these are closed societies - this is the elite. this can be said to
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be the aristocracy, which still dates back to the 17th century, the eighteenth. and these are all performers, so this leapfrog absolutely does not play any role. and the fact that the pounds will rise, then fall, or some other problems is all a trifle, because the uk has more powerful experience than anything , these are diplomats and financiers, industrialists and the military. no matter how weak it is somewhere. they have colossal colossal potential of igor then the question arises. but what dictated this view, which we now increasingly see in practice , is the historical super-task of great britain, the fight against russia , who is the instigator of this conflict? i'm probably at a loss to say, but i will say the following: here, but in the development of the thesis. uh,
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fellow monarchy, be it a presidential republic of a parliamentary republic. it's only only the form of government is more important than the principle of government until now, human civilization follows the elitist principle of government, that is, and societies are controlled by elites. accordingly, it is necessary to look where interests lie. elite conservatives. whether it is volleyball players is completely unimportant sheet. boris jones is all minor changes. it would not seem to us that such dramatic changes are taking place in english society, nothing like the society itself, the guitar part of this society is very stable. all uk interests directed outward on the control of international sea routes of communications on the control of the resource base, as i said, and here they probably didn’t have such a global player for a moment, until the russian empire began its
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own expansion in e struggle to get out. to the seas, the expansion of their presence for security purposes in central central asia, and here the british saw their rivals in russia. and we will not forget that the dynastic russian them. was very close to the english crown, and yet this did not prevent the english crown from seeing in russia , uh, the first and foremost enemy. gibraltar must be controlled the suez canal must be controlled by the poor. those folk islands. these rocks in the atlantic ocean also need to be controlled, it turns out, and great britain went to war with argentina and achieved its goal there, but regained its control, that is , nothing changed in the seventeenth century the globe, how did it look like a bottleneck? so he remains , and for these bottlenecks for the straits for the passages for
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communications. uh, there is a serious fight ahead of the accelerator, in fact, it may become a. in the northern sea route, after all, this is a real alternative to the very communications that the saxon world controls. and if we manage to create an uninterrupted channel, and messages bypassing the british american military bases, then the world economy will be arranged in a completely different way. well, who would like to lose it, but they saw in this way the link is in the form of global warming, so that they would not talk about the technological situation of russia but russia is a country with the most powerful icebreaking fleet. and the combination of the icebreaker fleet with global warming can really create objective conditions for the logistics of international trade to seriously change not in favor of america and great britain by the way, in russia there is an interesting historical hypothesis explaining this centuries-old conflict,
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supposedly, well, in the order of the legend, ivan the terrible at one time, offered the british queen or a covenant to conclude di marriage with him, she rudely refused and since then this conflict unfolds on the rise, but ioann vasilyevich did not accept this refusal. although it would be interesting to agree that the configuration of international relations would have developed. well , it turned out that it did not last long. this configuration is in the sixteenth century, after all. eh, what was the world alignment on the seas? uh, the rules of the name are by no means, not great britain , portugal and spain, and, probably, elizabeth could have done a little wiser. well, by the way, she was the only woman with whom ivan the terrible officially corresponded to the issue, and culture was denied to all men. why yes, well, apparently only he was refused, as if he did everything he could against him, such was her female will of expression, and then yes, there were objective contradictions in geopolitics, many are not considered a science, but nonetheless. why
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persia why turkey became a stumbling block? because the trade routes, because the straits, but because the movement. bars and warships, and i must say britain, she mastered not only soft power technologies much earlier, but also the tools of this uncontrollable chaos. let's remember how it disturbed unsuccessfully, it turns out that turkey against russia excited the whole world against the soviet union, probably more anti-soviet than the british regime since churchill's time . and if we say that the united states is playing to weaken the european union , but london also makes it even more willing to break off relations with the european union after a loud brekt. although naturally, we understand that this is such a controversial issue. was
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whether this desire is so sharp, or is it such an accident yes, a stone on the road can change the fate of colleagues wondered, and with whom in general are the british in the world now good ext wearing i’m not talking about celites between british and former colonial leaders, the oligarchs, but with the peoples so it's probably the same. uh, there are hard problems. london has not only with moscow there or minsk e. well, and above all in paris, its closest neighbors the french across the english channel. who can be dearer to them than what people in the world love in general today britons oleg voloshin ukrainian politician candidate of political science joins us alla greetings to you in the studio talking today in the uk they have a simple relationship. yes, it is extremely difficult today with the russian federation and, naturally, they recalled the term englishwoman crap. here, in your opinion, is what motivates the british political class to take such a militant anti-russian stance. well
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, it seems to me, uh, the root of the problem is here besides. uh, actually historical uh, some. eh, allusions, indeed, and a great tradition. e confrontation between britain and russia at different times. although, again , let's not forget that in all the key wars a, when it was really about the possibility of establishing one force of total hegemony in the world by military means. this is napoleon, for example, or the kaiser's nazi germans, germany and britain, russia were on the same side. well, in general, in general. i heard there an extreme husk discussion and whether i will go into it and expand it there, but i would, of course, i am an ardent opponent of anglophobia, like any other phobia, not to mention that let's frankly to everyone, we somehow, who started learning at school, started the first foreign language english, probably, to some extent it doesn’t matter, and more or less opinions are educated people in the soviet space. in general, aglophiles are, in fact, key factors. this is indeed
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britain's exit from the eu. britain is left to find its place in the world. and uh actually found it. eh, more precisely, this is a certain part. the elite, you need to understand that but in the e-conflict around our country around ukraine, a is involved mainly the intelligence community and, to a large extent, the military elite, not so britain even got involved in a confrontation with russia with ukraine and around ukraine, but those who, under the power of will, cases and through the thoughtlessness of us ukrainian voters, exerted their helm of state rule, agreed to accept british protectors over themselves. that is, it is not so much the success of british diplomacy. how much, uh, and the corruption of the zelensky team, which yes, let's talk about this in more detail now victor well, you will agree that in the current ones these are political layouts. if i may. so to put it, britain plays an important role, and how much it provokes ukraine is obvious to all players. in my opinion. she
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plays the first role in the degree. aggressiveness in terms of the degree of desire to foment more and more conflict in ukraine and great britain overtakes even in the united states of america well , to say that, by chance, in ukraine there were some forces such, uh, that great britain is its protectorate over them. this is not entirely correct in ukraine, these forces. including great britain, they were preparing, for many decades great britain actively supported the bandera people even after the war. e, transferred money to them , weapons, means of communication, e, established contacts through canada through its other dominions. that is, great britain pumped up nationalism and even soviet ukraine actively. this began to operate even more actively in the nineties, 2000, logically , this led to yushchenko's orange revolution and that's all. this led mr. poroshenko zelensky well and
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maidan 14 years old. do you agree with the position victor, please give you a word of evidence of many political events of the iranian republican army, in general irish terrorists have come. this is fine. in a homeopathic confrontation here , of course, on the other side, but you don’t need to know u count u, what is the norm you know in a fighting match, a good hook. uh, for whoever got it, it 's a bad luck for whoever got it, so let's not demonize the brits. and recognize their strengths and look for ways to counteract them. and so. the main thing i want to say is, yes, accident why, because objectively speaking, great britain is not today, and not something that superpowered, but even a full-fledged great power, it has no resources, no money proper, no military capabilities to unilaterally rule. e. especially, perhaps, a region remote from it? in general, not her presence is atypical for her. it is not the middle east that he
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traditionally has in britain, but strong ties with the elites. this is not uh, there is southern africa not from other regions that mr. zelensky yermak in october of the twentieth year got an appointment with. and the leader misha with mr. moore and there, in fact, but this condition was actually recruited and agreed to follow the course in everything, mi-6. this is indeed a lucky coincidence. i want to draw your attention again. yes, in general , the uk, of course, as well as poland , yes, in nine out of ten cases. it will probably be in some kind of confrontational situations against russia, but the fact that now it is in ukraine in relation to which for years there has been a much greater influence of finance and through elites and so on had to the united states naturally. and even germany plays the first violin. ah, the british. this is the result of the fact that mr. yermak, who is actually the ruler of ukraine, is the right hand of zelensky, but he actually makes the decision, as some of us are considered to be the direct agent of the decision.
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thank you, interesting, quite a bright position , you know the leader of the republic of belarus, alexander lukashenko, has repeatedly stated that it is not zelensky who is leading the entire process, but representatives of the west britain usa completely took control of the military operation to go to odessa and russia will hear a direct speech. zelensky has two phones on his desk, one phone, a second phone, satellite communications with biden and british prime minister johnson, two phones. that's basically how it's managed. these two leaders yes. and you definitely mentioned oleg. on october 7-8 , 2020 , a fateful and in many ways tragic for the future of ukraine meeting between president volodymyr zelensky and the head of british
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intelligence, misheste richard moore, took place in the uk, according to zelensky, it was the british side who said that ukraine is a big problem with the fact that the media are financed not only by ukrainians, and therefore the main question, about which it was said just that they should be independent, who today, when there is a war in ukraine, protect the sovereignty of ukraine and territorial integrity. you know, pavel is in this and , uh, some kind of incredible dilemma, because for many ukrainians who voted for zelensky, this was a man who, naturally, but promised the world, promised completion war and set it as the goal of his presidency and a few months later, as if this mask had been torn off, and under it we saw a completely different one, and this meeting in london did she really switch this toggle switch in the head of the ukrainian leader. well, i'm still not inclined to believe in the power of one meeting. even
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at this level, especially since she was far from the only one, i remembered. how many times zelensky held talks with boris johnson, a complex of factors played a role here, but what did you absolutely correctly note for zelensky voted in the majority of the russian-speaking? ukraine eastern ukraine as a future president of the world who will solve the problem of donbass in one way or another? and by the way, at a certain stage. it seemed to me personally that he was trying to remember, for example, there were negotiations with president putin in the minsk format. and then, probably, as never before, there were hopes that this conflict could be regulated through diplomacy, but by certain forces. wrapped up. this is the saddest possible development scenario. events one of these centers of power is definitely london second washington and further down the list. what i completely agree with viktor is that britain is number one in general in the forefront of modern anti-russian politics, and we in russia often consume
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such a concept of red lines. now i would say in a crow's context, because western partners systematically cross, and in russian society. there is a feeling that the authorities are not tough enough at the intersection of these red lines. react like this first. this is what the british always do. they were the first to deliver modern long-range anti-robber missiles to ukraine. they supplied them with missiles of the class. land beating today half of lugansk in donetsk. they gave them tanks, challenger and the rest of the western countries. you see that the red lines can be crossed. following the example of the uk , they are being pulled up, so we must pay tribute to those against. ku, i would even tell the enemy of courage, they have enough today. they are not afraid to escalate with one of the largest nuclear powers, and this is a challenge that moscow will reply. do the british understand perfectly, or do they want to stay afloat? yes, i don’t agree that they are small there, the power of the british,
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the great power, despite the fact that they are a small country, because they have these huge dominion former colonies. these brit-fed elites play a much bigger role than they are on the political map. the vatican also does not have a very large country, however, the vatican stands by the power of many huge countries, therefore britain is in this regard. now the last and decisive battle they have or they defeated from russia with the help of the united states and other allies, including our republic of belarus, they will inflict a crushing defeat and will again shine in world history. if this fails, then britain and then finally. uh, already out of the arena and really can turn into a minor country. you know, uh, viktor, president of ukraine volodymyr zelensky , came to the uk last month to meet with examples. risha, sunakim is the purpose of the visit. understandably, the british were praying for the supply
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of new weapons, despite the fact that britain so it became one of the main suppliers of weapons equipment kiev we are today the united states which one? zhenya supplies london to ukraine and how important it is at the moment is detailed in our story from the very beginning of russia's special operation in ukraine, britain has become one of the main suppliers of weapons equipment to kiev, so last month long -range missiles were sent to ukraine with a range of more than 250 km for comparison, american missiles can overcome only 80, so it was london who was the first to deliver to kiev cruise missiles, and as stated in russia , ukraine has already begun to use them, britain has also begun. the first country to supply the kiev regime with main battle tanks that are in service in nato countries, we are talking about 14 challenger-2 tanks, as well as
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about thirty self-propelled artillery mounts, it was the deliveries of tanks that could influence germany, which nevertheless agreed to provide ukraine with a leopard 2 , as many military analysts believe tanks in combination. with other weapon systems will be vital to any attempts by ukraine to dislodge russian troops from fortified positions during the expected offensive. in addition, london announced the delivery of hundreds of attack drones , the range, the action of which is more than 200 km and air defense missiles, according to experts, drones can be especially effective for supplying troops on the front line, especially under the fire of russian artillery and in conditions where there is a risk of encirclement, also from england, kiev received anti-tank missiles , portable weapons to destroy the fortification of bunkers, helmets and body armor, but even this only a small part of what the uk has already sent or is about to send to ukraine, and according to experts, such
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multimillion-dollar spending by london speaks of a direct benefit for the kingdom in the russian-ukrainian conflict. oleg tell me, please, could you imagine a few years ago that the key partners for ukraine would be the uk. why is the united states present in this story? well, you know , i think the dirty deeds of the democrats and the biden family. we will repeatedly recall. and why it is beneficial for them this story. and that's why britain, just the united states, is present everywhere, because it is really a lonely superpower trying, but painfully , to fight for the preservation of its japan . naturally for it. e, this has been said, retold dozens of times, we will not repeat it. i think our respected viewers, in principle, understand that for the united states, any weakening of russia and through which the possibility of weakening the tandem from all of china is seen is important and
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profitable at least. in any case, this could not be left out of the attempt. e moscow font in a radical way. the problem she had with ukraine is to get governments loyal to herself in kiev, as far as the uk is concerned, why? i'm talking about tunism? yes, because alexander grigoryevich really says lukashenka correctly about the fact that there. naturally, there is a direct connection with washington, then you matter. does biden want to communicate regularly with zelensky that is the question, and i know for sure that he doesn’t, and therefore that a-a zelensky is well known there. all its features. all his weaknesses are the corruption of the regime, and this is his passion for all kinds of illegal drugs and everything else. yes, fuck us , to be honest, firstly, as the president of a superpower, who has problems through the roof and others who else to talk to, and secondly, uh, well, we all know. at what respectable age are the most gentlemen. here they are soprotism in the sense of who has the most to do. that's just the british and we noticed, by the way, it has already changed steadily three premieres, each next uh more and more active. well, as if the blue one is more active , the same, as it is a little more cunning, of course,
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than the sheet or than johnson. well, it is enough to consistently play on this field, they play ro. really such lawyers and key lobbyists. ah, the escalation of confrontation, that is, they are not too lazy, but they are not too lazy to pick up the phone and call zelensky, but they are not too lazy to lobby for zelensky’s interests , dissuade other leaders and it was correctly said in the studio that britain serves as such an icebreaker, but what is 14 tanks, but right on the scale of the current front. this is generally nonsense. it is really thanks to the supply of these four. and there are under a hundred e already leopards. and, maybe there will be more, and indeed britain, uh, is playing. here the role is played by the fact that, in general, no one wants e big confrontation with russia, the americans. in fact , they cannot but participate in it, but without a twinkle. we can see this very well, but the british are really participating with a big twinkle, the appearance of this twinkle in their eyes. i
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would say in order the hypothesis that the british are on territory of ukraine competes not only with russia but also with america that's to say that there are four consecutive prime ministers. this country is supported by giving weapons to kiev, they are all representatives of the same party, the conservative party expresses the elite, the old british expresses the interests of the old british elite. and this is the old british elite, even the americans are a little arrogant. i would even say revenge, so london. today it is very important to contrast how absolutely right. a colleague with a lethargic and not very capable biden show that they are brave guys, that they are not afraid to escalate, even with such a powerful center of power, the horse is moscow, and in this respect they are much more decisive of the united states of america, after all, with hmm london's colossal military potential, but, probably, it is not comparable to the american, and these guys are acting bolder than washington, they show more political will
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, decisiveness, and so britain is quietly. in contrast to her former colony, she regains that role in the big game that nadezhda said at the beginning, which was lost during the cold war. she is returning and will have to be reckoned with as a new center of power no less significant than washington victor, please, tell me, naturally, for any person. yes, at least a little interested in history. and when we talk about great politicians, yes, that's modernity or the 20th century, the surname of winston, churchill naturally arises in my head, how would he if he had the opportunity to look at what was happening , he reacted to this. well, i think winston churchill reacted if he was resurrected i would have been very pleased with this whole picture, churchill - it was the worst enemy of russia and especially the soviet union, the churchill did everything to ignite a civil war
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on the territory of the former russian empire. he dreamed of strangling e bolshevik russia and , having been defeated , he did everything e between the wars in order to harm and slow down the development of the e soviet union as much as possible and therefore the post-war years. churchill has always been an enemy. only when germany began to threaten the years of the second world war, then the draftsmen already deigned to cooperate with the soviet union, but as soon as the war was not over yet and there were a couple of weeks left until the end of the war, he already made an unthinkable plan to launch a war against the soviet union with the former defeated german units, but the americans opposed it, because it was already it was too conceivable, therefore, when they were churching now, they saw what they were doing. e hmm , this is happiness that we managed to unleash
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a full-scale war on the territory of the former soviet union and how the british are actively involved, he would say even bolder ship and english elites are even more active. and we must say, as long as possible, there is in russia. that's how he would say. and i remind you that on the air the program sas is authorized to announce that we are talking about a new big game. oleg voloshin , oleg is in touch with us here. tell me, please, what can change this position of britain , which we are talking about today in the program , somewhat at risk, of course, subjected to criticism, respected. uh, guests of your studio, but by the way, i looked up at the bookshelf on my desk. there stands, in fact, the book of boris johnson factor, churchill and of course, naturally what will be johnson really dreamed and wanted to be like charters and wrote, as for me, one of the best e books about this really great
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british politics, and i do not argue. on the one hand, i agree that churchill is a puffball and the situation. and of course, he would have been there, e johnson johnson, let's say more than he was a man , as jin was completely called and would probably help the enemies of russia china in the current situation, but on the other hand, after all, if we are already talking about history remember the era when the chepcha really lived without if uh so support then the british establishment line. uh, churchill for the consistent support of the white movement. we would have the white guards, they would have won in general, then there would have been no ukrainian soviet socialist republic and there would have been no ukraine with vladimirovich lenin, which putin has been calling lately, and probably everything would not have been in a depressing confrontation. so , to be honest, russophobes should not be called churchill. i am like a person who deeply regrets that the civil war in russia ended the way it ended, i think it would be better if the devils listened. what about? a-a of that, how to change e
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position. uh, britain now. yes, probably, in no way, i can only say that the british really use it very competently, as it were, so that it is correct to say that in the event of any response from russia, it will be a systemic one of some large-scale, especially a military one, but let's say this response. e will affect, including the united states. therefore, of course, the british are very comfortable and easy to take risks, realizing that in a big fight knits into the big guys from the ocean. in this sense, of course, they are well aware of this, but they are aware that russia cannot answer. just for britain, without hitting the united states, because it is already so significant for the united states of britain and therefore even discussing these options. although now you are suffering, dear mr. karaganov. eh, discussions about a primitive nuclear strike were brought into the discussion there, but i would not play these games differently, i’ll just note by analogy. here i have as in the international.
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uh, first of all, political scientists of international affairs about the education of a diplomat, but it seems that there is an association with a very competent line today, which some republic of belarus is pursuing, uh, everyone knows that alexander lukashenko laid down his name just like that, which, unlike many in moscow, does not in this, let's say, critical situation, the hand is not a friend, and the opinion of alexander lukashenko, the leader of the republic of belarus about whether the hand falters or not, please, they are all still leading to a third world war, but they are terribly afraid of it. this i know for sure, but i met people who not the last role they play in this and take a radical cardinal and final decision in case they are most afraid. it's true that everyone is talking about it. ah, nuclear disasters. they are afraid of this, they are afraid of the use of nuclear weapons in ukraine what ai god forbid russia will do it and so on and so forth. this. naturally. we don't want either. we are afraid too. we want to live, because it can lead to
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a specialist saying, world catastrophe and the ball can be knocked down if all these weapons explode, they ask a question. there you are know the leadership of russia be friends, say yes or no. i say yes, nuclear weapons exist for that. press or press and around the button? yes, how? well, in one case, if you make a very dangerous move in the sense that tuesday is in russia and this will threaten your existence in russia , in a word. if you put putin against the wall or into a corner, he will be driven into and there will be no other way out from the corner, only forward. may go out. then wait until then. eh, there's still a possibility. let's agree, but they volodya zelensky is not allowed to reach an agreement. yes, and he himself is good, although, uh, i'm sure they have such information that in ukraine today
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i'll tell you they will explode. there in ukraine today, the vast majority of people want to end the war. and this is a terrifying fortune-telling on a daisy of the current western leaders will press or not press, and now they really have already forgotten about the possible red lines, because they have all been destroyed paul please, well , everyone has already put themselves in churchill's place i just can't help but do it, and then i will answer your question. i think, of course, in general, he would be pleased with what is happening and support the policy of his conservative party, which is being implemented by bags, but he would hardly be happy that ukraine would use neo-nazis as a taran against russia. still. let's give churchill his due, he was one of the main enemies of fascism in the history of mankind , the man who saved britain from the fascist turn to which it, er, at the behest of its elite. came very close at the time. as for these notorious
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red line. it's clear. that that red button, and which is so much talked about in moscow, is in the hands of the president of the russian federation, but i am sure with all his might, uh, hmm , does not want to press it. he, probably, relying on the will of the russian people, if he wanted to, he could have done it long ago, where the first will say to grief, it is all fire. it seems to me that they can say so in russia and in this game, whoever turns first will blink first, looking into each other's eyes. the west is taking a very big risk, because once again i want to say to the russian people, well, let this is going to sound tough in this studio, but has already given the president a mandate to use nuclear weapons. many are wondering. why hasn't it been uncovered yet? and so, therefore, in the western center of power of the trace. there was probably a thorough thought on the subject of how much you can tease the nuclear bear, sooner or later the notorious red lines will be absolutely right ahead. you know
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, pavel, and of course, we naturally perceive the smell now, like the west, which is actually the only one among, but frightening, right? on tough and militant rhetoric. hmm , quite sound , adequate and wise thoughts are also visible. i would like you and i to pay attention to the statement of the member of the european parliament. claire delhi let's listen together need to constantly ask yourself. whose interests does the prolongation of the war serve, obviously, that the lack of interest of the ukrainians, whose blood is shed on the battlefield? whose cities are being destroyed and whose relatives and friends are forced to leave the country for the inhabitants of ukraine - this is not stopping. horror attempts to start the peace process negotiations. undertaken already in april last year, however, to us. it is known that the us and british governments strongly opposed this idea. yes. it was an exclusive commentary for the program. sasha
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is authorized to declare what was written in strasbourg, and then indeed the clarions declared that it was britain that yes in march 2022, together with the united. they acted as those players who did not push ukraine, but, on the contrary, alienated it from the world and the cessation of hostilities victor well, i want to say, do not underestimate. uh, western countries and western leaders. if they think that they are used to sitting in cafes and comfort, if necessary, they will go to a nuclear war, and most likely, they will go to a nuclear war. these are people who for centuries sailed on pirate ships died, well, they robbed and cannot but rob the whole world for 500 years, the british, and then the united states we remember reagan, who said that there are things more important than the world and who managed to bend and in the end in the end , it was the old party nomenklatura that collapsed the soviet union. scared it moved away
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and the soviet union was destroyed, the same thing is happening with the current russian federation permanent. the red line, correctly paul said, is already turning into some kind of irony. they think, if we destroyed the soviet union, why can't we destroy the russian federation, which is five times weaker than the soviet union? why do we have such power now and england is rising from the usa as a powerful and generally collective west, and also china, we are with china something then they do, so they think that they are afraid, that they are some kind of comfort for them now, uh, one task to maintain world domination or they will keep it or they will roll back and eventually fall apart, therefore there is no peace here, so that they will go to the world there is no world there is a fierce confrontation. i think that tactical nuclear weapons will be used on both sides, at least. we must
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prepare for this, and especially for us, the republic of belarus , we have such a high balcony here. here , both the russian federation and the west need to prepare for a confrontation. nobody will turn. it won't turn into some kind of peaceful 1953 korea or whatever, now the stakes are very high, and they will grow, oleg , but tell me, i often hear the position of some belarusian experts that enough to endure this, let's strike with nuclear weapons. here's how you feel about such a position. and which one , in your opinion, is correct in the current geopolitical game? listen, well, people are still watching us. well, let's be responsible for our words. tree sticks. well now what? look at our programs and bunkers of all children to have. there iotas look
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to stop, dear what nuclear war is on really? uh, first of all, let's do this. uh, as putin clearly said, and this can be seen in general, in russia they are afraid to carry out even a mass mobilization , obviously, assessing the readiness of a mass ordinary russian to go and die. just with a gun in hand. i would doubt that there is really a russian leadership there, again clearly. lukashenka correctly said if there is a ration. that is, a direct invasion of the territory of the russian federation, threatening the very existence of the russian federation. but roughly speaking, for melitopol or berdyansk no one will unleash a nuclear war. eh, and this is perfectly necessary to understand when the special operation was started. and where did you go from making mistakes to commit stupid things. a lot of shortcomings of the russian army have been revealed , they will gradually correct them, but i think that putin, who started it all , certainly e will not say yes for the guys. we are so weak that we have nothing but a nuclear bomb . let's be frank about
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nuclear weapons being a sign of weakness. that is, it’s like more than other tools, not it remains exactly sergey aleksandrovich karaganov, how an extremely competent international affairs officer threw an intellectual provocation. this is one thing that needs to be said about the fact that a nuclear conflict in the event of certain levels of escalation. in principle, perhaps this is correct, but to talk about whether the drone flew to the kremlin let's on this occasion with a nuclear bomb with- let's go there sorry for being rude. what kind of nonsense? of course not. another of the thousand humiliations that russia can endure will win a thousand times after that, but a nuclear war can only be unleashed once, and i i’m glad that naturally it won’t be given by vera, the network is still not a bear who lives by instincts, but a wise thinking person and at the head of the republic of belarus too, therefore , let's not indulge in emotions. let's reassure our people there will be no nuclear war. we do not give in to emotions. i personally am also deeply convinced that this will not happen, by the way, there is one more reason, in addition to all those voiced, there is in china with which
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moscow maintains warm economic and political relations and is unlikely to whether they will remain so warm and friendly if moscow uses nuclear weapons. i think that senzinpin made quite unambiguous statements on this subject during direct talks with president putin regarding nuclear weapons in general. but be it tactical. it does not give any advantage within the framework of that armed company, which is now the case. in ukraine, this will not solve the whole problem, the complex problem will not help achieve the goals of a special military operation. koi is the demilitarization of the denocification of nuclear weapons - this is, first of all, a political system of checks and balances, which should theoretically cool the hot heads here, condemn the hot heads there on the other side of the ocean or the english channel, and make sure that some kind of tragic apocalypse does not happen on the wise words of our esteemed guests
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of today's discussion. we also put an end to the end of the program. i would like to recall kipling again, and as we remember , vladimir putin has repeatedly admitted that since childhood he has loved the work of this briton from a ballad. about east and west reserve takipling. many quote words. the west is the west, the east, there is the east, and they will not leave the place, but they forget the last lines of the work, but there is no east and no west. that the motherland tribe is a clan, if a strong one stands strong face to face at the edge of the earth let's hope albion will give the world a leader who has the wisdom of strength to negotiate with you in the east and stop humanity slipping into the abyss. thank you very much. it was the program. sasha is authorized to declare. the englishwoman spoils because she does not find place at the table of the great powers.
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