let the ukrainian people understand through ideological messages that ukraine does not need this. this is her collapse. this is her downfall. and this is yevgeny's training ground, and the key is that nato's doors to ukraine continue to be closed. let's hear the direct speech of the general secretary. jens stoltenberg nato. i understand that zelenskiy is pushing for a clear timetable for joining nato at the same time. i believe that it is impossible to give exact dates when we are in the midst of a war. and i think that all allies will also make it very clear that the most urgent task. now is to ensure the victory of ukraine if we need to provide more military support, because if ukraine does not win, then there can be no question of any membership, because only a sovereign independent democratic ukraine can become a member of nato yes, and now communications nikolay mirkovich head .

ngo west-east and french analyst mister merkulovich are very happy to have you in our program area. i am also very happy a lot. thank you for inviting me. scational after the summit nato in vilnius, we can't tell me the growing rift between ukrainian leaders and western rites and both sides claim misunderstandings have been ironed out, but i have reason to believe that the summit left many in kiev in deep despair and they are suspicious of real motives and intentions of the west regarding the current war. are you expected that zelensky and western leaders. uh, will be able to overcome this crisis of relations, this crisis should not forget that this is a war basically, that nato is on

trained the ukrainian army since 2014. we know that they are using it, that ukraine is using it. newane, so nato is waging this war in ukraine and i want to say that zelensky will again be reminded of what his role is in this war, he is a puppet of the united states and i are not my words, this is nikola azov speaking, who was the prime minister, and to ukraine, he said, that zelensky is a puppet of nato and his role in being such a puppet is mr. zelensky and requires a lot, in particular, rapid integration. and why does he do it? because he gets let's say feedback, but from the military actually at the front and everything is not going the way he thinks, and there is naturally reason to believe

that the russian defense is much stronger than the west believed and than zelensky believed, the military now in ukraine knows that the only hope for is to change the course war, this is full integration into nato and the presence of nato troops on the front line and more weapons from nato, but as we understand it, as we heard from jensa stolberg. uh, the west ain't ready for it now until go they ain't ready to go for it a full scale confrontation with russia and this will inevitably happen if ukraine is integrated into nato and of course, ukraine is a matter of a walkie-talkie, but they will have to survive this, because zelensky a was a comedian and he served the people. now he is in the role of president listening to that and the usa tell me please, but

based on the answer yes of our french guest and, in general, based on rhetoric. west, we can say that recently it has changed a little and has become softer in the non -russian federation and vice versa, from such zelensky it is beneficial for them to keep in order to case e search for certain points of contact says. yes, it's not mine. yes, these are ukrainians. here such here understand cannot be appeased. i would not say that the west has unilaterally become more accommodating. yes. let's first fast forward again to the vilnius summit if we look at the statement from the outside. eh, the country, well, what, they said this to the next parties. uh, nato , weapons, another abstract, and a guarantee that ukraine might someday join nato and then involuntarily, and in the head comes a historical parallel with turkey's accession to the european union,

which has been sitting in the dressing room for 50 years. for some reason, uh, at least the ukrainian leadership does not like history as a subject, and a forgets that you can go to the nearest library and open any textbook, uh, on the history of the 20th century and get acquainted with the fate of those countries in whose territory there was a confrontation between global centers of power. well, in connection with such a certain ignorance of ignorance. we now see, and a similar reaction and here are a few words about nato let's just wait a minute. i would like us, together with the audience, to pay attention to a quote from us state department spokesman matthew miller , who at a briefing said that ukraine's entry into nato during the conflict would mean a us war with russia let's hear a direct speech ukraine's entry into nato during the conflict meant if the us had a war with russia under president biden, this would not happen, everything

is clear. all clear. again. we are returning to us, you understand that it globally continues the solution of those tasks that conceptually laid down in its essence, in 2022 a new concept or military doctrine of nato was adopted ; it spells out an adversary, the russian federation, possible e.g. ah, china and all. this clearly fits into what is being done today, all the points are being fulfilled and it cannot be done so easily. and so it’s superficial to treat the decisions that were made at the nato summit, because behind the lines there are 300,000 groups that will be deployed on a permanent basis near our borders. so in passing. is not considering this grouping plus the missiles that are already being delivered and allegedly ended today

, they will launch the military industry, and it will continue to prepare and once again i return to the words that he became a thunderberg, after all, izumi. to say today we are waging war is not ukraine waging. we are at war today. and this is the main thing in what he said, they clearly understand. today they are howling with the hands of ukraine and preparing the entire nato alliance for a future war with russia time and reformatting its own industry, its own economy is reformatting the minds of people who today are frightened of russia. god knows how and where the russians are today. let you confirm them abroad, as they treat russians. today they were lucky to be their observers. you don't have to participate in it. they themselves fight

by proxy, using ammunition resources that, in principle, need to drink it. a great option to update their own system of the seventies of the eighties, what has already accumulated in warehouses and start it all own industry. and as and another small point, which for some reason, when we always click out of the decision, because it is clearly written there that africa, the eastern countries are now becoming a zone of their influence. plus, after all, china is inserted there again, china is why it is inserted . it is in the doctrine. and this task will be carried out, forces will be prepared for further counteraction , the force will not leave politics. it plays an increasingly important role in the near future. if this continues, no one knows how, but you see, you yourself say that the existential enemy for the united states of america today

is, first of all, china, and sooner or later they will be forced to end this conflict and reach certain agreements with the russian federation . this is what they allowed themselves. levels and under what conditions agree with you absolutely let me address this question to our french guest mr. merkovich next years, united states and union united states the european union, a very interesting and important election is the election of the president of the united states and a. european parliament elections. will this lead to western shant starting to move towards ending the ukraine conflict with my nose making me think otherwise on me, who doesn't really plan to negotiate or escalate? why is this so, aren't they afraid of the negative reactions of their voters ? no, the operation is simply intuitive. can you

say it is not clear where this operation will go. yes, further there are new plans to support ukraine because what was adopted in the previous month. nobody just works understands exactly what is going on there . and it's very scary. if you think about it, because you see how strong. uh, nato troops on paper, every month they have to revise the plan only. hmm regarding ukraine. this suggests that in fact nato is much weaker than we thought, and in fact, of course, in the west, there is a sensible policy and now they would say now is a good time to stop. we already have a huge number of hundreds of thousands of victims in ukraine, elections are coming soon and it would be nice make peace, because there will be consequences of this war, economic, social , political, when it's all over, these

consequences will be all over the world. and now is just a good moment to come to peace, the sooner the better, but this is not what we are really shown. it will be very strong, especially in the context of the upcoming elections, because we can hardly expect a quick victory, but they are counting on it very much, and they will try, and use their opportunities, the maximum results by the time of the elections can also be worse than what we see now, again here is the situation with the actions of the russian troops and there may be negative consequences for the government for europe for the united states for the allies, and they have already provided a huge amount of military support to ukraine and may be in a very good situation, because we have very high inflation. we have a high level of social instability. you

saw this in france not so long ago, we have economic difficulties. we have a trade deficit. not trade and people ask. why don't we have money for something to support hospitals to something to support schools to something to support our own citizens? why do we instead supply weapons to ukraine, where there are no successes, and moreover, maybe russia will win this war in general. and what will be, then i see more and more people all over the west. they say it's time to stop this war. the problem is that the us is actually very good at influencing the political parties in the nato countries and the political parties, even though it is an opposition party. there are a lot of western ritas who think that nato is the key to protecting them

and getting away from it. the west needs to vote. yes, leaders who say, uh, nato must come to an end, we don't understand why nato now exists, and historians of geopolitics. some politicians also talk about this and support this position. and i think that many people will be watching very closely what will happen in washington in the next election, and it is not at all necessary that aidan will win and the republican candidates are the republican includes ramps. they say it's time a to end this war. and this can radically change the situation. and it is necessary to race against time, they are trying to push through this victory in the war, however, the political situation in their countries. uh, we are not contributing to this and

most likely there will be a very strong negative reaction from people who do not want this war, many thanks, mr. yarkovich. could the situation change in the near future about this? tam said during a recent big conversation with foreign media representatives belarusian leader alexander lukashenko let's hear a speech. you have noticed recently the attack of actually vladimir zelensky against the powers that be, who will gather at the nato foreign ministry itself in vilnius, he actually presented them with an ultimatum, like i won’t go to the summit. if you don't do something there, listen to why he behaves the way he does in the situation. this is a very important moment, especially for you and me for russia and belarus from the first maidan at home. if there hadn’t been this preparation, there would have been no maidan, but they were preparing ukraine for this war, it began

war. and do not think that zelensky ukrainian society, the leadership were fools, they did not understand how this could end. but the united states , first of all, with the support of their thoughtless , e . and what is happening now? especially since june 4-5 , the so-called counteroffensive, he finally realized that he would not win this war, that this counterattack will end in nothing for him, except for the deaths of thousands and thousands of people . yuri please. i want to hear your comment. and what do you think really counter come. here we, probably, hear

the last six months and, frankly, all attempts. they are not successful. and the west is indeed today in the position of intermediate observers. that is, they are waiting. yes, what kind of horse will they put, that is, in fact , they put on zelensky but if they can’t stand it, bolivar two, then i think they will change theirs quickly enough territory and position in general. hope, they are already changing it, and they are changing me very quickly on the go, because indeed in europe and in particular in the united states they already understand that zelensky is not the right figure, not the supreme commander with the help of western weapons, which can change in tactical and strategic in terms of the situation on the russian-ukrainian front. but this is already becoming clear, even real to them

europeans. i'll hold your foreign colleague, who, by the way, has already left. sorry from the air, but uh in europe where am i i live now, yes, things are changing quite radically among ordinary voters, indeed, in the future elections of european elections in european states, the twenty-fourth year for elections, especially a record one. there will be generally unpredictable things. trade between russia and the european union remains still at a record level. here is for 2022. this is absolutely open data, the trade turnover between russia and the european union amounted to 258 and 60 billion euros compared to 2014. it has grown many times, so eh yes europe has lost from sanctions of course, tens of billions of euros, but,

nevertheless, just take it and terminate all agreements between russia and the countries of the european union in terms of trade and economic terms, europe is not ready. well, naturally, how will things go in ukraine , including in the war zone, does the loyalty of russia also depend on this or not? loyalty of europe europe does not want and emphasizes does not want this military conflict to develop into a european conflict between europe and russia, so this is all very serious. familiarity with twisted people, and then and that otherwise they can lead you unambiguously to surprise many, it is surprising how

the jaw of a rhinoceros was found in the woodland in belarus, it turns out that several thousand years ago animals that can now be found in africa, the skin of the heroes of flooding , will share what they know the town itself, a typical half-day belarusian city, it was half a day here belarusian reservation, youns is on the face of goryn politics project at noon of belarus and rob for the development of their homeland. the stuffiest person i even knew people who didn’t understand , didn’t even realize that something

bad had to be done to see that how important nature was to him, that’s a pole to preserve it as much as possible. watch on belarus 24 tv channel. they talk about their profession with burning eyes, as for the forest , fate pushed them in 2014, quite by accident and ended up in the city of lads and went to work at the orthodox lakes national park, when you come here, the first glance is not at the building not at the checkpoint that stand in the fields to approach look at it with your hands. well, this also turns out to be extremely enjoyable, something that cannot be found on the internet, exclusive in the first person. in ordinary life , we don’t even think about how gas gets to comfort , so before it gets to our stove or boiler, it goes quite a long way,

a process that involves more than 1,600 people, of course. our work is fraught with dangerous risks and harmful headlights, but all this is done for the quality of life of our population project one day. look at tv channel belarus 24. i remind you that on the air the program sas is authorized to announce we are summing up the results of the nato summit in lithuania evgeny i think that we should sum up this event, how important it is and how much, as nikolai evgenievich says, we could read or detect all the key signals between the lines . and if we're talking about these , you know you can afford them. i think, in this case, such a term is about the hyenas of europe , poland, which is trying in every possible way. yes, but

a certain fight is the fight with the republic, belarus sets foot and speaks of the need deployment of nuclear weapons and on its territory. how the overall mood and interaction between nato members will develop well, you really noted. eh, not quite a small role of poland, but more claims forcibly more. i would suggest one such poly-magic nato axiom, we write the united states in our minds, because, as nikolai evgenievich really says, nato uses this moment very conveniently. and so, uh, if we touched on the topic of the 2024 elections, then i would single out one election as key it is the election of the president of the united states of america and the biden administration that it is vital to get at least some success in ukraine, because now the entire policy of the administration is based on the success of the confrontation with russia

, because now i will not quote one famous american politician who dared to say what better investment is in killing russian tape. graham said this during his visit to kiev and in the context of all these very targeted processes, uh, which alone tell us what will happen escalation, others say that there will probably be some kind of pacification, but i would remember. literally last week , a very interesting statement came from germany as a theory, but from my point of view, from this statement. this already smacks of such feudalism of the 21st century, not ashamed to say that, they say, let ukraine be accepted into nato in parts. and now, this is history. just fair enough. it seems to me that it will. if it happens, here i have made my ukraine made such a detour to to come to poland, which already without a twinge of conscience look at

both lviv and ivan frankivsk and other regions of western ukraine in the polish segment of the internet there are already jokes from the heading, we ask for the volyn massacre for lviv and that poland will become more active in this direction, it will be this do. and at the same time, she will do it hand in hand with the americans, because there are two countries in europe that behave in ukraine, er, more aggressively. well, what do the americans do, these are the poles who intend to, but take advantage of the data a crisis to establish their beloved great commonwealth and the second - these are the british, who, let's say, are the first to provide this or that type of weapon , be it shells with uranium. uh, the core will be a rocket, whatever it is, as long as the british provide the americans are looking to see if another red line has been overcome. and now, realizing that now we are really in such a kind of

political chaos, because there are too many signals that contradict each other. well , perhaps this is how it historically consists of such chaos, sooner or later you will crystallize a certain new system of international relations. i also want to draw attention, dear viewers, to our graph of the growth in defense spending of the member countries of the alliance, which of them in 2020 the second year will have the largest amount of funds well, among them are greece usa poland lithuania estonia and many others. in general, everyone is actively defending. yes , i can joke, of course, apparently, greece is preparing for the exit of turkey, so the truth is arming itself. yes, evgenievich can never give you the opportunity to analyze i have been dealing with our graphical data of the topic for more than a decade. i've never been i'm so optimistic that this

will someday end, to be honest, that the us poland lithuania estonia will spend more and more. we predicted this a decade ago. it comes from politics, because everything is determined by politics, the more unhealthy politics at the head of the state, the more it is spent. this statistic clearly shows the armament. yes, there are still those countries that still understand that the armed forces are not the most important thing in life. it doesn't matter how our president says the main economy, and it is a normal sane politician. he always says, first your own state, first your own people, and then all other issues. if it does, then the main bet is not on this

weapon, the main bet is on the fact that the russian federation will destroy itself from the inside , a lot of money has been pumped into it. and here are the events, including with pmc wagner - this is one of the components of you. note that literally. well, for about the last 2 months the most powerful information, pumping. informa- through all channels that russia must collapse , scattering itself destroys. she loses. and this was invested not only by the international community, but also by the russians , and here we needed a powerful impetus. thank god that all this was neutralized. on time , and i had enough strength if i had gone in a different scenario, that's why the scenario was added more money of all kinds of freaks, added, and so on. it is not known how you ended up. we had 1917 russia and this scenario of it they are trying to implement it as soon as they can

, and jezinsky and other political scientists. their main goal is to destroy russia from the inside , there is no other way to topple russia. and they know it, so a lot more money will be pumped in. here, the factor of strength becomes the main one and the factor of the unity of the nation of the people in this situation, if this is implemented within the framework of the russian federation of the republic of belarus, we will set up, and not fall apart. well, i cannot but agree with you and i would like, of course, to draw attention to the position of hungary represented by mr. orban. you know such an island of adequacy in europe, urban criticized nato for conducting military operations on the territory of other countries. let's hear direct speech. we are in vilnius for two days. the most important topic of the nato summit is the russian-ukrainian conflict. the hungarian position remains unchanged and we

will represent it instead of sending weapons to ukraine, we must bring peace ; the conflict is taking place in our neighborhood and tens of thousands of hungarian people are in immediate danger, because hungarians live in transcarpathia. hungary insists that the alliance should not change its previous position nato is a military defense alliance. it was created to protect its participating countries, and not to conduct military operations on the territory of other countries. you can't say it better. quite right, yury. i know that you are now in germany. accurate, and as we can see from the statements of mr. history, how he does not want to provide assistance to ukraine, because everyone understands perfectly well what the goal is

death death death again, yes, well, again, about that notorious issue of strengthening the bloc, you understand, well, how can there be a strengthening of the nato bloc if there is a colossal disagreement within nato in brussels itself about ukraine, and you rightly said that this is also the case in germany, despite the fact that here, well, let’s say, according to the privates themselves, there is none. the german government is not entirely in adequate in comparison with the past, e, means chancellor. as the minister of foreign affairs of germany , i remember the same gen shir, the same kohl , the angel merkel, after all. uh, all the same , the population of germany is generally perplexed as to how you can spend colossal money. just throw them down the pipe just to satisfy the desire of the united states of america desires in the united states

of america europe nato is losing their sovereignty, especially european states are losing their sovereignty all this is also outrageous ordinary germans. it is clear that germany has been under occupation since 1945, the american occupation. i say this quite boldly and the germans. they understand this very well, but nevertheless there is a limit to everything, as they say there were two germanys yes, there were two germanys but east germany listen , no one asked if she wants to unite. she doesn't want to join. here you have all the democratic principles of europe taken united. and there, as you want your words. i would like to draw attention to the quote of the first nato secretary general lord gassing with lyonels. media please colleagues exist in order to perform three

tasks in europe to keep the russians outside the americans inside, and the germans under control and here in english. it sounds even more beautiful that kip is cultivating quite right, so this is what is happening at the moment eugene well indeed, we are now facing the fact that europe is losing the remnants of its sovereignty.