putin i tell him, listen to a good option. and why not, so that gradually over the course of a year two or three - this territory was not there disputed and other, as it was then . what option? well bring the election. why is poroshenko telling me this? you know, why should i hold elections, they will be held under the control of russia, i tell him petrov well, this is a year, supposedly they will be held under the control of russia, but we can agree, but speak, as i suggested to them. i will hold there elections i will do as you agree. putin poroshenko and i will see you off. how do you decide. refused no poroshenko refused putin agreed to everything. and why did i remember it, then i thought so. listen, well, this year, well, elections will be held for the second year for the third year. what

is an election? do you already know in ukraine? and calmly quietly, the ukrainian hryvnia will go there. uh, you will control this territory. 400 km of the border will be ukraine in ukraine on the rights in fact, but he was afraid that children would be chosen there. well i'm a freak frankly that there was such a conversation, well, well this year, but you are closing the borders here. it's all inside ukraine not those chosen. people have chosen, next year they will choose. that 's how the conversation went, and then it was necessary to resolve this issue, moreover, in minsk, the agreements here we agreed on everything. but we agreed, it was necessary to comply with these minsk agreements, but they were not observed, and i understand that no one was going to comply with them. i was going to fulfill the minsk

agreements 100%, 100%, but you cannot reproach her for not intending to. at you have no facts for this, but the fact that ukraine has not complied with the minsk agreements is a lot of facts. let's say in one of the interviews. so you said that you often argue with putin over the past year. have you had disputes with putin that relate to ukraine you know not, you would express different points of view. well, let's say, uh, now there is a lot of talk about the world, what to do? we express different points of view, therefore, about, that is, there is a topic, we are discussing it, and not that, as some people in the west are trying to present, the so -called opposition or what? here lukashenka lekh under putin does what he said? well, listen to the one who knows me perfectly fine. you understand that this is impossible with my character with my approach.

there were times when we sparkled with putin. so i’m actually humanly wondering how it came out, so what did it cost you, that you didn’t recognize crimea for 8 years, and there was no air connection with crimea. although i can assume that vladimir vladimirovich could insist on this. no , never insisted and uh, i didn't admit it. smoke, there is abkhazia and so on, as they reproached me not because, uh, i had some special point of view there and so on. no matter how it seemed to me, this was not profitable. no, but because it didn't change anything. altyn gave nothing. we have cooperated with crimea, we are cooperating. back in those days, they came to us and asked us for some help from buses, cars, something else , please, we sold them to them, and ukraine then reproached the leadership of ukraine for

listening to our buses there. in our world, anything can be sold, and so on. well, we do not hide it, not abkhazia, not terminals, not because i here he stood heroically for eight years, uh, on his own . no, just from a practical point of view, there was no need for this. remember this case. uh, when were putin and i going to visit? it was my initiative. i tell him, listen vladimirovich well, come on, i haven’t been in the crimea for a long time. i love our sanatorium. uh, ukraine is immeasurable, because my roots are there and my great-grandfathers there, i don’t know that this is personal for someone. i love and loved ukraine very much . i remember my eldest son was small , i got into the car and drove through leningrad odessa i went to odessa, stopped in the fields and looked at this beauty of soviet times. i sincerely love this country and these people, even to some westerners,

these western nationalists. i have them when i worked as the director of an agricultural enterprise every year, they came to me to earn grain, they needed it, because such hard workers would not especially get out of the carpathians. i always set an example and they always transported twice as much grain on my transport to western ukraine than they earn this greatest respect for these people, including their westerners, so that they know crimea, so i went there and always treated ukraine with love and still have exactly the same attitude, no matter how they mold me out of there, don’t fuck. how much some bastard time will pass, people will figure everything out, and now, talking with putin on this topic. mm, it never happened that the last conversation was, they again touched on the situation and somehow in their hearts

they sat together for a long time. this is when, uh, well, that's the last time he met with him in st. petersburg and then mm shaft and so on. and so he sits and says, you know, it's bad that we collided two peoples. eh, and you are involved, well, slavs, mmm, and he says, no one is here, he is so thoughtfully handing over. the format, well, they didn’t think either, there, to subjugate, to enslave, to deprive ukraine of independence well, we didn’t need it , but we had to behave, in an appropriate way, and we shouldn’t create problems. listen, i have nothing to say to him. although we usually argue against each other there. what to object? on the contrary, i supported him saying, listen, well, okay, russia is so scano against us. why did economic sanctions and other things kill and close the sky? ukraine why do i say it should have been

done when the americans and europeans will not do it yet. why did ordinary conversation run ahead of the locomotive, for no reason at all, well, no one was going to deprive independence there well, why did they behave like that, and i saw how they behaved, danilych began, i am a unique person for you one hundred percent 30 years. i saw everything that was going on and related to these events. everything started. unfortunately with leonid danilovich. here you are very interesting thing said. people who have worked with putin say that this is a man who thinks a few steps ahead in ukraine, they are now actively promoting the thesis that most people there already think that everything that is happening between ukraine and russia is imperial ambitions. putin or putin has gone crazy that putin has not gone

crazy, i can say 100% that there are some imperial manners. i did not observe this, but i myself think that the heads of large states always burst their chests. i really the way a person can think. uh, this also applies to well, in the united states of america, what's wrong there is no way to measure what they want and what they do russia is a huge empire what can i say, of course, this leaves its mark on a person's character. uh, chatter, full of fake fiction, what's coming out of putin, especially now. especially because i'm going through it. yes, yes, well, share, then share. those were not close friends . all the same, he calls one state. i'm something else there. well, inaccessible to me and him

remains somewhere in the pocket in the bosom, and so on, therefore, e alien soul is dark, as they say with us and with you, i cannot say there in detail. uh, but what he's going through. uh, in connection with these events, the situation is not simple, as an absolutely adequate experienced person , who really, analyzing , tries to look ahead, calculates his life , he was a man, he considers a military man and he had a life and work where it was necessary to calculate a lot in advance. he really calculates, but he never, i'm sure, never i didn’t calculate that it’s necessary to enslave someone there, then ukraine, then belarus, that something is nonsense, this. and he is a very cautious person. he will not do anything from the bay. and he will take a step, then for a long, long time

he will toil and look. is it worth it to take the second step, so the fact that he is here for, uh, 10 steps of something hmm would have taken bypassing nine , you know, attacking ukraine is nonsense. step by step he left, and these steps, damn it. and then here is my first conversation, when zelensky spoke on the phone. first days of the war. we had we talked for a long time with him there it was dusting it was dusting something, you know, that’s all we won’t argue over the phone, but we remember the war in your state. not today, tomorrow they will ask you, why is there a war going on in your land? why didn’t you prevent this war, no matter how difficult it was, so you need to clarify everything there, and prevent the war. it was possible, because i was between you and russia all the time and saw this opportunity

before the most vivid illustration. this is the meeting. here is the normandy four. all agreed. let's agree on the chords. we will act in this direction. why didn't they do it when putin first told you that he was planning to start his term? well, you saw his speech on tv. me too, uh, the first one. uh, we never had a conversation. right on the eve of hostilities, that the war will begin, i swear to you that we did not have a conversation about the fact that russia would take some actions against ukraine there , the only thing. for a few days or there for a day? i do not remember. we met with him at his country residence and discussed the situation that has developed. he didn’t say verbatim for the first time, i’m also talking about this to you, he tells me, listen, sasha, you know this situation, if god forbid something happens, but we are

an ally, of course, the allies all know our treaties against russia, someone is fighting. we are entering the war against belarus, they are entering the war. we have a single army, in fact , created here. if suddenly something happens, uh, i say, what can happen, well, anything , maybe you cover me, please, and in the first days uh in a special military operation. if you remember, i made a statement that we are not getting involved in this conflict, we can do little to help russia, and so it can cope with anyone, but we will not allow to shoot the russians in the back. remember, it was about this that was connected with putin's request to cover me, please, he was afraid. uh, most likely stabbed in the back by the west on february 4th. and in an interview with solovyov a few weeks before the war. you said that in the event of a war between russia and ukraine , everything will last 3-4 days, i quote, there will be no one to fight there. did you think alexander

grigoryevich the same plan to take kiev in 3 days? well, it was so figuratively said, there are 3-4 days. well, a little time was really a matter of several days, if the russians occupied kiev, can you imagine, what kind of war would you have, the war would have already ended. here is a very important moment in ukraine, everyone is sure that zelensky defended kiev and that the ukrainian army repelled this invasion and therefore the russians withdrew. listen to a fairy tale and nothing more, but all this was probably created by the media and by zelensky himself to show his heroism. but as a matter of fact, i again found myself between putin and some forces in kiev that had already agreed, like the germans of the archangels. we all no longer howl in order to survive, and i had a conversation with putin in connection with this conversation. and putin tells me

the following. i say, well, war is war, uh, well, in order for the war to end, of course, you need to take the capital to the capital. he tells me, you know this can be done immediately instantly, but a huge number of people will die, what's the matter, but they say the first thing they told me, they say on the street straight lead out. uh, ers guns are called. anti-aircraft guns are not only there, tanks are hiding behind kindergartens and hospitals. as he says to fight, uh, according to the military with them. here also speaks, we carry out precisely operation. we are on the outskirts of kiev, we cannot beat them indiscriminately . that is, he was worried that he would have to fight there. so there will be nothing left in the place of this school, because they are hiding behind the school behind the hospital. and the truth is, it was this and now, uh, there is where

we talked about tactics with pmc wagner. hiding behind the building are such kindergartens, schools, where people are, especially children. and so i had a conversation with putin , and he says, well, how are you going to beat them in kiev, if they are hidden there behind the school kindergartens, almost verbatim, i am conveying the conversation to you, that is, fears in another would he said, look, well, there's a war. there's a war going on. uh, if you started a war , they are fighting, and he told the truth, but we haven’t started yet, and then i won’t talk about the reasons there. you probably know the russian troops who were on the guards left from there and no zelensky reflected anything putin then withdrew these troops. how did he protect?