this is now, uh, where we talked bakhmut with pmc wagner, even tactics are hiding behind the building, such kindergartens, kindergartens, where people are, especially children. and so i had a conversation with putin, and he says, well, how are you going to beat them in kiev, if they are hidden there behind the school kindergartens, almost verbatim, i convey the conversation to you, that is, fears, another would be him said, look, well, there's a war. there's a war going on. e! if i started a war, and he told the truth, but we haven’t started yet, and then i won’t talk about the reasons there. you probably know the troops russia who were on the outskirts left from there and no zelensky reflected anything there. putin then withdrew these troops. how did he protect? he that defeated the russian army

is not there, so in vain he attributes everything to this feat, which was not there. putin withdrew these troops from kiev. well, you just said a sensational thing, because i know very well . the mood in ukraine is based on this . zelensky's main propaganda is that he did not run away from yanukovych, and repelled the second from russia. uh, russian attack. and another very important question in the cellar at that time diana zelensky yours was sitting in the cellar at that time. he did not reflect anything, but the military saw how it would end? what do you think, war? it would start if poroshenko and not zelensky were president. you know, uh. here i am, uh, volodya zelensky is now being criticized like that. yes, its not experience. this is some kind of expressive character. uh, you know what he's always been up to. it played a role, but

troubles. i didn’t say in vain, they started that if they are danilovich when there was no definite course, we will do it here and there, and i remember how, boris nikolayevich , we held a referendum on the constitution. we met three of us. eh, lian, the next one there started talking about ukraine and yeltsin, they are listening to sanych, help me. you give him a normal constitution to hold a referendum. i say, well, seriously, i'm ready to connect, and we have developed together with your specialists. kuchma, then the draft constitution is more, let's say, democratic. uh, he was more democratic than us and in russia well, about something similar to this discord. uh, as now in ukraine or then there would not have been this constitution, uh

, sociological surveys were prepared , testifying to the fact that we did not hide that i was involved in this. e testified that the ukrainians would have voted for it, but as time went on , the constitutions were not actually ready. eh, actually accepted. yes, folks he had another meeting. i'm talking about yeltsin. well uh, he doesn't want to do anything there according to this constitution and why? says glad not to approve this constitution. tion, and i tell him, well, listen , you haven’t submitted it to the rada yet, you haven’t submitted it to the rada . well, then, and what kind of council will go against the people? that is , there was such an option, that's where it all started kushna then, uh, yushchenko, then yanukovych, everything. uh, that

it accumulated and on an inexperienced person absolutely not a politician. well, alien to this policy, it all fell on volodya zelensky, but even in the cinema you are openly a servant of the people, or as you promised there. have you seen these the problems of the oligarchs are in the mouth, there are crooks and the situation around ukraine, the most beautiful and richest country. i saw it all. you shouldered the burden. don't solitaire hat, okay. so not only zelensky should be blamed here. yes, it is his fault that he did not cope in this situation, and who was it easier? that it was easier for putin when he became president or it was easier for belarusians, he had nothing at all, no money, nothing they threw us. we drew bunnies, remember, very young, i don’t remember the responsibility of russia is in this. how come

of course, russia is responsible for everything because of the collapse of the soviet union, when there was a draught on a personal level, including now they say, well, the soviet one especially fell apart anyway and it’s good that there was a little blood disintegrated like that. and how much bloodshed we have around the perimeter of these wars. it is still unknown. how will this end, therefore, russia was the main state that stuck together , the successor of the soviet union was responsible, of course, and russia is to blame, everyone is to blame. and russia and belarus and ukraine and so on and so forth similar, poroshenko had a chance to turn everything around for zelensky, including you, the new man. you have nothing to do with it, something happened, but come on, sit down and think about what is best for your state for your people. well,

now you are waging this war. so i specially drew this map for you, right now russia will grind you there manpower and strength and equipment. already those motivated ideologically minded nazis, as they were called nationalists? these ideological people are not strong, they are all dead already. who is fighting here already, who are you on the streets catch? and bring them here, they are not prepared. well, and a little military, they will not cope with this machine. russia has rebuilt. russia is at the front today. the latest weapon already grabs a drone already. well, a completely different army and the most dangerous again, i don’t know whether to tell you or not, they have 250,000 volunteer corps, russia has 250,000, which are

volunteers, who are now trained and in reserve. 250.000 at the front now the russians have less. here they sit on the defensive, it's not because they can't attack necessary, and you go understand how chipped and drunk you go to the advantage. as in the movies the germans show you go to these barricades but you don't get there. even this we see, and this is how you do not get it. even before the minefields, you are simply destroyed by the thousands, 45,000 of you during the contrast, during this time, forty-five thousand people died and left with pegs. from there 45.000. here they smell the losses you have one in eight. one in 8 losses at the front and 250,000

reserves armed with the latest technology. here they change you here, and then they will do something what management fears the most. they will cut you off. here in moldova, in transnistria, they will cut you off, what will you do then, and here, here, the poles are rubbing their hands, pushing the americans. they will cut off the west from you, you will be left with this piece, if you have. that's what will happen to you and the state, as the ukraine of our state with you will not be our native land and my own history. that's what you now do not stop it will be. if you don't sit down at the negotiating table now, russia is proposing that you don't want to? well, if you don't want to, don't. relics

russia is enough and no west will help you in this regard, you need to take your head in your hands and act on the basis of realities, but act in the interests of this huge beautiful territory once again, so that it was, to fix you said 250,000, which i understand , yes it is in particular. these are those who can go to odessa, that is, odessa, why only to odessa, firstly, they put pressure on you very seriously in the kharkov direction. here they are pressing you here, and here the russians are most successfully moving forward. they are already counterattacking you. ours reported to me yesterday. we see what is happening here. we see the entire front, not through the eyes of the russians. we see the main war is going on near bakhmut. these are tough fights. it's almost gone here, the northern front has stabilized. but here, under the map, they will embarrass you. and if they hit kiev from the kharkiv direction , what will you do? here, there are no such

obstacles. therefore, they will neutralize your capital here, but the most dangerous thing is when they strike. uh, zaporozhye and kherson right here, and what time frame can be discussed here? when can this happen? i don't know, it will depend on how capable you are of fighting here. and here you already have a little left. forty-five thousand, but these are such approximate estimates. how many vehicles were burned? the west is already beginning to understand that nothing will happen, even with the help of the west, ukraine will not be able to withstand it. you said about negotiations, you said, if negotiations do not start, in your opinion, which of the parties needs these negotiations now? who, really? who which side? can you go for them now? why this green? why is it the west? you know why russia needs this, the west you don't need to say that to the americans in the west today. eh,

it's not necessary. and the longer the war goes on, the better. eh, it's expensive war is expensive. and this is how they want to relax. not easy to weaken. and put her on her knees, they need it, but we are ukrainians zelensky there, well, we will count. she needs it because the best people die there. ukraine is losing almost everything ukraine does not need it ukraine no, zelensky. yes, you correctly emphasize ukraine - this is not zelensky zelensky is not ukraine zelensky. look, he's a hero. he rides t-shirts around the world with a trident and demonstrates his heroism. they know how to praise in the west. remember how gorbachev's hump. and the soviet union collapsed in exactly the same way it happens to him. ah zelensky and the hero and so on you are the hero.

what novel of what novel are you hero you are the hero of their novel, but not of the ukrainian people, and if the people, drugged by their propaganda, as they say, do not see anything bad propaganda, but their propaganda is ukrainian the people are besotted today. there are no other points of view evidence that, uh, as i was informed is you why are you not ukraine why can't you work? as journalists are sanctioned, correctly because if you appeared in ukraine, at best, you will be imprisoned better in democratic ukraine , there is a person, there is a problem. no person, no problem, therefore, in the worst case. you just disappear. this is what they turned ukraine into . there are dope people there today, but this will not continue like this. i am also watching public opinion in ukraine and not from the position

of your social polls there. with a position, people's opinions, a lot of people are beginning to really evaluate zelensky, which is why he is rushing to call elections when you have them there in a year or two, or using martial law to postpone them. that is, it is far from a very ambiguous fact that zelensky will win these elections. at least rivet him 90% of the rating there, i’ll tell you complete nonsense, if the elections are held in the near future, one of the military budans will be there or someone else will the president is someone from the military, but not him. therefore, people are drugged, but they understand more and more that zelensky should, let’s say, gently find a way out of this situation so that the guys don’t die, here, uh, mothers. who cares? how it will be, in order to save the life of your

child, it doesn’t matter in what way and method, but you need to save not only your own life, but your child’s. what kind of patriotism, and what kind of motherland and so on can you say, when is the life of your child at stake? therefore, people are starting to sober up in ukraine and more and more are demanding those who fled millions human. we want to return home. why is your oligarchs at war? and i know for sure, they are already tired of it. that's all they want to save their billions to earn money here, and the war does not give investment. what kind of investment if there is a war going on and that's a hawk in the west? read in the united states of america you need to find it. and what about the slavic peoples fighting with each other. well , let them kill each other. it is beneficial for them

in this way, weaker in russia, let's get closer to china from this side, this is how they argue zelensky plays this game. but this will end with the fact that the state of ukraine , flourishing, beautiful and rich in its natural resources, will cease to exist. here you are during a media interview this july . they said that the negotiations could begin closer to the fall, in parallel, biden has already asked congress for 22 billion in aid for ukraine, i have reviewed a lot of your interviews. and drew attention. how many of your predictions have come true? you really. believe that these negotiations? perhaps or i can formulate differently negotiations, based on all my contacts, recently during this year. they were different i must tell you that why i say the west is not the west. no need to say

that the smell wants, yes, they are still dancing to the tune of the americans, but western europe i have western europe, the germans, the french, other than the british, of course, you are hard under america for them. this is no longer a war. and their big people. they say that the war is not in america, but the war is said in our house, the war must be ended by the europeans. absolutely set on it, but while 15 leopards carry out commands there, but they are reluctant to give military equipment. you see, both french and americans are dutch. they are reluctant to give, therefore. the west can no longer be called a single collective cement. they always bring zelensky to your president on these zelensky rested.

and why he rested on this, because behind the main patron is the united states of america, that is , europe is already slowly starting to drift public opinion in europe in the leading countries , more and more people are very bad in relation to this war speak out against, because the americans feel the harm of this war on their wallets, among other things. no, they profit from it. and they support zelensky in this regard, therefore, there is no unity, europeans and zelensky e in terms of continuing the war. and if the americans want volodya to zelensky, as is customary among young people, zelensky says he will go to these negotiations. and how else will there be no supply of weapons through the same

fur coat, other checkpoints in ukraine means war. why would americans want my bed for zelensky? and, because they will understand that ukraine will not win, it will lose. and if ukraine loses completely. so i told you here and here uh, the russians will be able to advance. well, then the whole smell will lose. therefore, they need. give the signal at the right time. sit down at the negotiating table, and negotiations are on what conditions a freeze on the front line, negotiations should begin without preconditions, this is a classic in any diplomacy. i think so, we need to sit down at the negotiating table and discuss everything and crimea and kherson zaporozhye donetsk luhansk everything is necessary there discuss. well, we sit down at the negotiating table and work out the agenda, as usual. it happens. the list of questions can go back to the questions that were then worked out.

moreover, russia was ready to discuss those issues. i even spoke. here's a roll, everything in russia was stirred up there. oh, thanks. lukashenka said that they discussed crimea, everything was discussed, of course, russia will never in its life agree to, well, as you say, it will not return. i still doubt that here in the east it is possible to agree on something, but russia is ready, yes any topic to talk about. i tell you for sure, we are ready to talk and discuss any topic on any topic, but you don’t want to push this by the americans yet. you don’t understand that there is nothing more valuable than human life, but you have 1,500 people per day during active hostilities. putin told you under what circumstances he would consider that his goal was fulfilled for russia , you know? we are here in this spirit with him we did not

discuss the topic, but i dare you your position of the goal of yours has already been fulfilled today. ukraine will never be. uh, since aggressively behaved to lead in relation to russia after the end of this war, as it was before the war, ukraine will be different, firstly, people in power will be more cautious smart cunningly. if you want sensible people who will understand that neighbors are from god, you need to build relationships with them. i am sure that the future ukraine will not dance to the tune of the americans. i understand, i am absolutely convinced that he thinks so. and putin, i think that's how he understands this process. this is a big lesson. not only for

ukraine, this is what is happening, but also for russia including for us for the whole world, this is a great lesson and lessons. we are deriving from this russia as well. and in particular in russia, you can hear a different point of view, they say it has become worse in the donbass, even more people are dying. i can confirm. i was there more than once, and ukraine is getting more and more weapons. soon the fighters will give more and more hatred of ukrainians towards russians. was it necessary then to know all this, how somehow among our people, they say, in hindsight, everyone is somehow smart there, or was it all offended, more likely to express their point of view. all this did not seem right. today we are wiser. drawing lessons for today from these events, yes, everything that you said is the case. we pissed off the peoples moreover, well

, it seems to us, the implacable position of the ukrainians, there, uh, the russians, yes, and the belarusians. here are involved in it, but i always give an example. do you remember what the nazis did on the territory and the same bandera khatyn and so on there, but the wounds healed. the soviet union had a good relationship with germany the soviet union and ukraine and belarus, which were practically slashed, the face of the earth was erased. shot relations with germany why don't we line up a shot? but we need to move towards this, if we talk about it, but we will not go towards this, it is unlikely that we will do anything towards this. the first step is to sit down at the negotiating table. well, the first day we will look at each other like animals. and then we will start talking. it was also in gomel in bialowieza. this is how it started in istanbul. so it sparkled. yes, how

the fire blazed, and then they began to discuss specific issues, but the americans said, volodya zelensky, stop fighting. just need to find a justification for the continuation of the war found. well , as the territory of the ukrainian liberates the territory, and so on and so forth, you seized the territory, leave, then we will negotiate. and uh, it's possible. this may not be the case today, so we need to look for other approaches, and we sit down at the negotiating table with the classical approach. including the powers that be, this is not the way they gathered in saudi arabia and russia is not there. so what for negotiations and for talking about what will be negotiated, they decided behind the back of the main character. that is, those who are involved , those who feel that they should be there

at the table, they should have been. the secretary of the wasp nbow of ukraine danilov wrote on his facebook that he does not exclude your participation in the negotiations and that the negotiations are already being prepared , this is such a veiled invitation to you to participate in these sentences, if they are people, well, this is not a question for me to ask danilov that no. i heard this statement, but what are the belarusians. we we will limit with ukraine, in fact, we are co-aggressors, as it is customary for you to say in the west, but naturally. uh, our interests are there, and our position should be heard, so i do not rule out that belarus at what level this is not being discussed today should be involved in the negotiation process, you will not get anything except positive, the only positive thing from this is

that belarus will be represented there, so it is quite possible that negotiations are not going on, of course, they are going on. we met with your representatives of your authorities. maybe five times when was the last time the last time a few months ago after uh, well, on behalf of the main intelligence directorate there were these talks on the topic, uh involvement, uh in the future belarus will go to war belarus will not fight on the side of russia from the north well, and many other questions of the last time worries you about the issue of nuclear weapons and wackner. that is , the question of your questions was accumulating, but we had these contacts, we talked, we are not against it, and now there is a proposal to continue this dialogue. let's meet in istanbul at

emirates are you guys crazy? we are bordering ourselves. please. come to the press wherever you want in gomel moser, anywhere in minsk and we will arrange a conversation with you, that you offer us to go somewhere to turkey or the emirate of a good country, we do not mind, but we can negotiate further here. uh, zelensky noticed some kind of threat to those who organized these negotiations. well, the so-called political competition, well, i forbade this dialogue . well, i know that along the line. uh, special intelligence agencies, including the military with the russians are negotiating with this in ukraine and the positions of russia and ukraine and ukraine are brought to russia. they have contacts with us. contacts with them. contacts with russia. ukrainians have the basis for these negotiations. let

's talk, but your politicians will play to the point that it is not putin, not russia, the military of ukraine, that the political elite is overthrown in the head with zelensky, let's see. because the military sees the futility of what is happening there, if such circumstances under which belarus can fully go in this war. if you do not cross our border, ukrainians, we will never participate in this war in this hot war, but we will always help russia, these are our allies. you know that both combat coordination training and ammunition, weapons, 55 countries are helping you there and so on, and russia is helping. so, openly only belarus in ukraine , you can often hear that putin is inclining you

to draw a war into belarus. it's stupid, you know why? because it won't do anything. additional 70,000 troops, will give nothing. as a last resort, if, well, there, uh, it was necessary to implement it. hmm thesis. they could bring in their troops here again. they have enough manpower of technology, therefore, involve, belarusian. but this is nothing additional, what will it give? now you will tell me what it will give if we start fighting against ukraine on july 23 of this year. you stated that the transfer of ukrainian lands. poland unacceptably quote. uh, now there is a lot of talk about ukraine joining nato in parts, so that thus tear off western ukraine western ukraine will move more. i think not. i think that the ukrainians themselves will not allow it,

even if well zelensky leaves for this. you made some decision there that the polish, or the police, or some civil servants, they are already almost equated or equated with the ukrainian information field under this warming up alexander grigorievich is ready for this. this is what i hear, moreover, here in poland, units have already been created a military unit to help ukraine. if they are here if they come in, don't turn them out of here, because the americans are standing behind poland. well, there will be polish territory. why is nato not accepted, then it will already be polish territory, and not let them down to this, and part of poland is already nato. therefore, everything is being prepared for this and you journalists were the first to say that we politicians were just

starting to see you said this, therefore it’s coming this preparation. for us, this is unacceptable, as well as for the russians, in order not to split ukraine and stick it in parts somewhere. we need to stop here and make it so that preserve this integrity of this ukraine and then talk. you know, this is the first thing you need to do. this is what you need ukrainians. we need we need peace, everyone needs peace, if there are circumstances under which strikes can be launched from the territory of belarus today against the baltic countries or against poland if there is a threat in belarus, maybe one aggression against our country, if lithuania from poland latvia will begin aggression against our country, we will respond instantly with everything that we have i understand that we have

something is something is and the blow will be unacceptable we do not compete with them, poland lithuania latvia nato is behind them. we, of course, understand the incommensurable forces, but we will inflict an unacceptable blow on them, and they will receive unacceptable damage. damage. what is ours based on? uh, the concept of security, it means that nuclear weapons will not really be used, which we have in belarus otherwise. why were they brought here, if there is no aggression against us, if only an act of aggression is committed against us attack on belarusians, we will not hesitate to wait and so on, we will use the entire arsenal of our weapons for deterrence. why is belarus not russia so there? yes, something to expect from

brest to vladivostok is far away. and we can seize this piece of land, well, in a month there will be nothing left, so we will not hesitate and watch as soon as aggression is against us. we are according to the plan plans, of course , i publicly approved them. of course, i did not talk about any specific plans, but we will respond instantly. all that we have and nuclear weapons. we they weren't set up to scare anyone. yes, nuclear weapons are a strong deterrent , but they are tactical nuclear weapons. this is not strategic, so we will apply it instantly as soon as there is aggression against us, otherwise, what are we madmen we don’t want this and we wo n’t do it, the use of nuclear weapons under such conditions against ukraine

against ukraine if it commits aggression is not ruled out against us and not only nuclear weapons. we have something besides nuclear weapons, and we do not we will warn you that the red line. if you cross, then we will strike at the decision-making centers, this will be done without warning. so you you found touching. we don't touch you, and you don't touch us. this concerns ukraine least of all. i don’t think that ukraine concerns , first of all, those madmen in the west who are already preparing there . did you mean that the big war between russia and belarus on the one hand and nato on the other hand is inevitable. no, i think that one of

the lessons of ukraine today is that it can be avoided and should be avoided. ukraine shows that this is a terrible thing and the nato war with russia and belarus is a world war with the use of nuclear weapons. it just won’t work out like in ukraine, so this should be avoided. the west knows this, it certainly does not really want a nuclear war, because no one will be able to survive. russia is the first country in terms of stockpiles of nuclear warheads. approximately so much in the united states of america everyone will be hotly involved, so nobody wants to die. everyone wants to live at least as we live and hope for the best, so even now i don’t see it. justification that this war is possible. in ukraine

, the thesis is actively dispersed that after the events with the pmc wagner and prigogine, the power in russia is words. putin , i quote, is no longer the same, another version, that all this was a performance to identify traitors and an occasion to place the wagner worm in belarus in order to further a trip to kiev, which of these about putin is not the same putin is absolutely not the same, this is putin already in the square. the last time has taught everyone a lot, including putin , this is not the same person anymore - this is even wiser than a cunning person, so that you know, and if someone thinks that here is the rebellion of putin's purist sablin , complete nonsense. it's complete nonsense in the first place. eh, yes, there are pros and cons. i agree,

but the fact that putin is weakened is nonsense putin , i just say, is more mobilized more cunning and wiser, our opponents should know this in that's what you say that it was a production. listen, but only madmen can say that this was a production at such a high price , this thesis appeared immediately, but except for ukraine, it does not accelerate. there was no performance anywhere. as for your thesis that to bring wagner here and to put pressure on me, there is no reason to place wagner here, not to put pressure on someone, then to go to kiev is not true. what i suggested is not putin or the russians wanted. wanted to come here it was my proposal to put out this rebellion fire, it was necessary to take any conditions, because god forbid

the rebellion. it was hot for everyone, maybe westerners somehow say and the americans were immediately pleased that this one, but then they woke up and now thank god that this option did not pass. why were they most worried about nuclear weapons? who has it in their hands? wagner is no longer pretty, but not enough. it seemed to me, therefore, even our most bitter enemies. didn't want to. this development and this rebellion, but to bring us to us. it was the moment of negotiations with prigogine about my proposal, when he told me that yes. i agree with you. e, we are ready to accept your conditions, which he was told that there is no need to stop, no need to kill, russian blood will be shed. that's at least the first drop of a collision, that's all, nobody will talk to you. he called me back, after 4 hours he advised me that

he was talking to the commanders. yes, we agree, but, firstly, criminal cases were opened there, questions are being decided , we will discuss it with president putin, we will decide this question is the second question of security assurance. i told him, but to the point that if there is such a decision, i will take you to the territory of belarus. i didn’t even discuss it with putin, when i suggested it to him, this is why no russia is here. wagner didn't start. and then, after all, uh, turning around. after all, they went there near lugansk. no, there was an earthly base, and nizhny immediately came to belarus, and only then they came to belarus and began to settle. you know, today we have raised the topic of myths many times and will raise it again, and our peoples about how poorly people in ukraine know about what is happening in russia or belarus, and maybe, on the contrary, again, the myth is very common in ukraine that the war will end when putin is overthrown in russia. well, by and large

. this is the only thing that ukrainian propaganda offers people today, they say. there will be some kind of revolution in russia, and so we will win. do you agree with the statement that after what happened to uh, wagner and prigogine, there are already some kind of rebellions in russia? well, quite unlikely. or maybe, on the contrary, more of these balls. in foreseeable. there will be no future russia would have corrected itself with this so-called ball. it would cost a lot of blood. well, i think they would have coped to the point that units would have been removed from the front. from certain parts, but they would have coped, but this march itself says that this is impossible and unnecessary. well frankly, the next rebels will be drawing conclusions from this rebellion, they are afraid to undertake it, as far as overthrow is concerned. what zelensky wants him there

, supporters of putin's overthrow well, let them try. let them try, if these are not enough there will be more problems. no one today will overthrow putin anywhere. you know, i have very good information that, purely humanly , zelensky was very difficult to perceive the deterioration of relations between you, i know my sources exactly and he perceived it very painfully, despite the fact that ukraine imposed sanctions, while they would say e faster than eu do you have any words left for him? i have only one word now, i would tell him, volodya the war is going on in your country on your land, you need to do everything that does not get worse will give, what happened, then it happened, those who are to blame will have to answer for it, but today we need

to stop development, especially for ukraine, the negative development of events. it is necessary to stop it, it will be negative, first of all , for ukraine, this is the only thing i want to tell him today, so that he hears it and starts writing from here. you know all the same, by comparison, every time i come to minsk i see well-groomed streets, ideal roads, and there is a wonderful phrase that we don’t store, lost by crying. here minsk sometimes you walk around it and the impression is as if it were kiev, which it could be and which it once was. although the cities may not be similar, but the feeling is just such beauties. you communicated not only with all the presidents. you also know those people who made decisions, who may even be more responsible for what happened in ukraine, oligarchy, businessmen , diplomats. well, if it’s completely simple, you

know how to explain complex things in simple language, what and when we went wrong when you started plundering ukraine e. if you want to preserve the integrity of the process country of some company, the situation is some uh, preserve the integrity. this should be the unity. the core should be, first of all, the state core, as we always criticize for this vertical of power, dictatorship and so on. but it is she who is the vertical and and as you call it dictatorship, discipline, order, they contributed to the consolidation around this pillar. whole people. well, we still managed to get through to convey to the people what needs to be done, including now i am now putting, if you do not want how to fight ukraine. let's work in the field, people have heard it. here i am

with them. they quote it, ordinary people hear it combiners come out with a company and start telling me this, and therefore, when you have it gradually developed, but it started it was when you started handing out oligarchs with varnish and pieces in this way. you created a mass of power price centers, behind which the security forces were people with machine guns machine guns. i know there kolomoisky taruta, a filter and so on, only i, uh, remember this last name, they have become. militants whom it was already difficult for the state to resist and remember, uh, volodya zelensky arrived somewhere in some part. eh, where did he justify? i'm not a goof. where they just talked to him. i once heard myself. i became terrified. this is generally unacceptable, the main commander, well

, anywhere. you, a civilian journalist , could tell zelensky what you think is necessary in person, but not a military man, but already before that came. that is, ukraine was seated, everything was divided into democracy, they began to play everyone to choose to re-elect and blurred responsibility by this very thing, but it all began with the privatization of your privatization of the homeless, when in a day one person, either a convicted person, or a former son-in-law, or someone else became billions. that's it, you started rasta. and ukraine offended people ukrainians were terribly dissatisfied with that situation and that's it. it accumulated, but from there the economy was the basis of everything, you destroyed the richest. and the most beautiful country this very then, uh, your flayers came into politics and your

billionaire oligarchs, they began, uh, to raise certain people to the top. well, then they began to give pieces, like poroshenko. take pieces of some kind of property to give to politicians, and they started to create something. and when politicians have a lot of money in their pockets, they squeeze and put pressure on him. take the same poroshenko yes, and probably, the current president says all the best in the west. therefore, like this , you slowly left statehood, uh shared in the personal interests of ukraine president since the ninety-fourth year now you remembered the people who have a shield in the west you have never had a thought for these years. and it would be possible now on a yacht somewhere in monaco has never been. the main thing is that i'm generally not such a person to me. the yacht

, the heat of the suns, is not mine, if you go somewhere in the mountains, well, it's better than sochi here. uh, winter, i mean winter. if you go there is no better place, we have a state base there. we have hotels there. we have a house there this territory where i can stay. i don't need anything else. i'm not the person you know, that's money i hate money, because i grew up in a poor family and always this money was not enough. and i have, well , hatred for this money. although i understand, well, how do you need money without money? what they say, the more, the better i hate them since then, because that's not counting. this is poverty. she always pressed on. you know, there was not enough money for this power. i hate it, so i am a different person in character. i can

i flew to find my happiness at home on the territory of belarus, uavs flew to kiev to kiev. and i thought, do people understand what a valuable resource they have today, the world, probably, and god forbid belarusians never understand this. but alexander grigoryevich i don't understand everyone's name. i also had a thought, again i am absolutely sincere. i have something to compare. i've been to so many countries, as a journalist , and i understand what an atmosphere of order is, which, you know, it feels like a little managed to communicate with people. and here i have got a question. maybe you have an answer. uh , what will happen to all this without lukashenka? well, a lot. it depends on lukashenka . a lot depends on how much i can. to help or allow the people to determine their future. presidential

elections, parliamentary elections there, national elections of the belarusian assembly of the supreme people's council and so on, because there is a lot in this. but, if not everything depends on me, i have to do how it happened to me by chance? it can be said, by chance, that 38 years were then at this break, but then the people made their choice 30 years - this is over me. the people believed me, the people i must die, but no matter what the cost , i was not weighed down by billions of dollars, nice cannes yachts and so on. there are some more. me. it wasn't tegalo. i was dependent only on people and did everything in the name of these people. i also have to do now and if the people. contrary to the fact that i would like to be defined like this, but

to be determined sincerely. i have the same power to make it so that it is sincere, so that no one falsifies anything. here the people have decided, well, lord, then you are for you will answer it. i will convince. i will tell. yes, people see us. what can be, that we can lose this island, where it is quiet and peaceful and you can live here , you can earn money. we can work normally. i see, uh, the way people are dressed. such machines. quite right. what kind of restaurants do you have there? i didn't say that we don't have, like in ukraine, some of us don't, and there are poor people. but if you want, you can earn money for your family and for yourself, then you won’t find a good job, they will invite you to drag you for this job. you don't have to look for anything.

everything is very simple, if you want, but if you don’t want, well, if you don’t want, then we are pushing you to what you want in what other state will they push not to force someone, we will force them to work, but these are not many people . and you can lose everything. but this is if the people make a decision, and i must ensure everything necessary for the people to make their own decision, receive this information, they have this information. from a machine operator to a member of the government, you said that the next elections would be difficult, does this mean that you have made a decision for yourself that you will run. honestly. maybe it 's a bit of a give-and-take attitude, uh, but i have so many problems to deal with . when it's time to make decisions, i will, but now i have to endure, i have to endure. we must not get into some kind of story

, as they say, we must lead our people on this very thin fragile ice, so as not to fail, this is the main thing for me now. and my future and the future of future power depend from that, that's why i'm doing it. honestly. i did not think, and even in a narrow narrow circle in my family with my children we did not discuss this topic. no, not now. you are in one of the interviews, they will associate again. they said that putin will not be president until 2036, i quote, he will find a person who will continue the path of russia's development. and now, what do you think, is there such a person? i think there is, and i think that if putin does not see him now, he will see him in the near future. that putin is not sees him. now i think it doesn't see it that way now. yes, i think he doesn't.

why because he doesn’t think about it and doesn’t see his problems, as i say, i have the same and he has other problems, of course, the country has big problems, but there are many other problems that he needs to solve, therefore, i think not, and i think that the next president in russia will be putin choosing in six months. i think that putin has no rivals in putin's russia now. you said about the standard of living, and there is wonderful material on my youtube channel panchenko. we made an interesting experiment asked people on the streets of four cities. minsk kiev moscow and chisinau what percentage of their income do they spend on utilities? so, if in minsk and moscow it was plus or minus 10-15 on average. now in chisinau in kiev 50%, 60%, then 80%. pensioners

said that they generally cannot survive without the help of children, and pay for utilities . at the same time, interestingly, i am absolutely responsible about this. i am 15 years old. i work in ukrainian media in ukraine , the vast majority are still confident that the country is moving in the right direction vidosiki. here are the very ones. forgive me for slang, that’s how they are called zelensky work, that is, for people in ukraine today , the spectacle is more important than bread. is it possible in belarus is not in belarus now it is impossible. well, if it were possible, then it would take a decade for the public consciousness and the consciousness of people to turn in this direction. that's the first thing. the second thing you said, i don't believe it. i don't believe any. well, who is it, says, is that what people said? no, this is a sociological study. how do

you do sociological research? i know i i know how research is done in general. i already know this, therefore i do not believe in it, so that people, impoverished, stupefied, stunned by what happened before the war. and in the conditions of the war, they believed that ukraine was moving in the right direction. in what direction did it develop? what came before the war? thousands of thousands of people are now fighting, and what again believes that in the right direction? a mother sending her child to war, or worse , they grab him on the street and take him to war. she believes that ukraine is driven by the direction move lord, yes, what a crazy country and such a people who think so. i don't believe it, ukrainians are smart people. by the way, to speak absolutely trusting

your experience, but communicating with people a lot. in particular, a lot of my groups communicate with people on the street. and now i will try to convey my point of view. look here. here is a group that receives such information from people, and you know the situation, such people are afraid. here is the first people are afraid, and the second is hatred, a lot of hatred. and when a man has the opportunity all his there troubles all your troubles, uh, blame someone, and in this case it is russia , because today in all your vedas you know whether ukrainians or not russians, here is ukraine and long before february 24 they made it a country of hatred. and alexander grigoryevich did this deliberately. it was government policy. how to make sure that this does not happen to belarusians? this is especially important now, when it comes to youth. you know perfectly well what social networks are, you know perfectly well what if you type yes in the google search engine or there on youtube lukashenka, what kind of content is primarily

offered liberal as a title or some kind of? another and you know how they work. um, how information technology works, that it's hard to deal with it, but it has to be countered on the battlefield. in the same. if you score, content appeared there. as you said, this is how much it is, perhaps this content should be different. yes, i understand, we are not rich people, we cannot, this is big money, and there is also big money that needs to be resisted, but this question arose before us and this challenge. we adequately reacted. we went into battle, on the same field. yes, there, maybe, one letter, two letters will be ours, everything else will be these fakes, these are fakes. i look, i listen there, some things, and every day and for a week , here i have a whole package on my desk, analysis

of everything that belarusians are there lukashenko i am immersed in this read. but also the length is like fidel castro when he spoke to me during his life as the kingdom of heaven and for us this is a great opportunity of the internet. we could never reach out to the americans, but i posted something on the internet, at least dina will read us somewhere in america or in ukraine, that is. and for us this is an opportunity, so as much as possible, as far as we have the strength. we resist it on this battlefield, and you know, i won't say that we are the winner, but we are not losing yet. we're not losing yet, 'cause, well, probably, after all, truth always wins. well, if you tell a lie, then you won’t win, as i already said, i watched a very large number of interviews with you and the truth is, i’m convinced that you or someone grigoryevich said some things for many years back, which was embodied with an accuracy of 100%. and that's what i want to ask, huh?

if we analyze everything that has happened between our peoples between our countries in recent years, then what happened was that they deliberately methodically did everything so that ukrainians, ukrainians, belarusians, and russians and vice versa, knew less and less information. it would seem that people who once lived in one country know absolutely nothing about each other today. well , for example, believe me, many ukrainians are sure that every russian, waking up thinks about how to kill more ukrainians, so that you know perfectly well it’s absolutely not so you don’t think that today exactly the same process is taking place in relation to russia and belarus, again on the one hand , and europe on the other. are we not being trained systematically as well? some big and terrible process. i think that all this is possible, because if you win other people's brains, then

you will win any war in the future, so they can prepare for this through our brains, but the power is on that power to counteract this, no matter how difficult, no matter how unequal the forces, but it is better to fight. so rather than jamming each other with missiles in this information field, it is difficult, but you have to fight otherwise you will fight, the way russia is fighting with ukraine, so we are trying to resist. we do everything possible. mm. the main thing is to lie in a person’s brains and good tactics were in soviet times. reach out to every person. reach out to him, meet him so that he can see you, talk to him. this is the most important area of ​​our work of states, in contrast to there from america germany russia or china they are

powerful strong rich. they can throw us, throw away, uh, any amount, and they can get into a person’s head in some other way, but resisting this. you have to reach out to people. you must talk to them. you should come to them people will appreciate it. this method should not be forgotten. i was taught this when i studied at the university of marseille-leninism a good method, which i am now trying to implement. i send them to people. they talk to them. here after the twentieth year we held a large number of meetings. that person doesn't exist. whoever the upper authorities meet, including i try to meet, speak to tell. well , of course, laughing is replicated by our media, so this is the only way to resist it so that moon can mobilize. everyone needs to stretch.