yeah, these are those components on the basis of which we will continue to build our devices, our mechanisms. regardless of uh third party or their uh hmm mood. yes, it’s clear lesya nikolaevna, you see , you are a threat to the union state, maybe in the economic plane. well, each sanctions package is probably such a kind of challenge for the economy of the two countries, and therefore you know this one as a push to wake up and we see it throughout today's broadcast. we saw indeed, as in various sectors of the economy. we are establishing cooperation to counter these challenges with a barrier, with these difficulties. this only forces us to develop in those directions that we are, in fact, and should develop plus. we have a very good economic joint past, when we had a joint economy, and therefore, it is probably

easier for these two partners of the two countries to establish partners. that's it and restore their economic cooperation, which was in some period. probably well uh less developed relatively speaking in a short period. yes, but the economy as a whole the economy of belarus was formed, of course, in close connection with the economy of russia with the economy of the soviet union and, therefore, further development paths. they also see each other on the basis of those, uh , the basis that was laid during the soviet union, but they counted, of course, that both russia and belarus, i mean these economic systems. just break out of the pop. well, it didn’t work out , and even experienced analysts there have an economic sense. i mean on west. eh, they think they're breaking their heads. well, how does it happen? here's to the evil going on. we will put up a stand and everything will be fine, yuri vasilyevich, you see, you are challenges and threats for the union state. well, of course, these challenges are threats in e. it is sphorus. even with those

sanctions measures against both russia and the republic of belarus, there are probably not enough fingers on both hands to at least count the certification packages. here we, in this regard, must provide a very balanced solution to the problem of technological sovereignty of our two countries of import substitution, lesya nikolaevna very correctly said here that the republic of belarus has its own program for import mixing, a joint history, which is associated with the allocation of a loan to the russian federation for 105 billion e of russian rubles, and at the same time, uh, along the lines of russia’s bargaining along the lines of russia’s mistake, these are e, projects are very carefully verified in order not to allow any overabundance of the production of one or another product in e, namely the format of the union e state. and, of course, there are enough degrees of such critical will speak from is it radio electronics

microelectronics? e, of course, here, it is necessary to include buildings from the tank, because the production of means of production is a very important topic. dear experts. please tell me if there are any barriers, obstacles, and not like this. eh, well, i would say a small micro-level, but at the level of economic entities there, which would go back to the roots. there do not know in the political uh, some kind of trade economic cooperation, if the barriers obstacles for the work of our producers in other countries. i mean russian producers in belarus and belarusian producers on the russian market. are there any difficulties left? well, of course, we still have difficulties. i would call them barriers and restrictions, probably here i will be supported there, let igor vasilyevich deal with

the eurasian economic commission. here, uh, of course. eh, it is there that, uh, the top five will be such stories associated with an obstacle. as they say, well promotion of their products on certain markets. here, uh. i would just like to emphasize from expressing solely my opinion that there are no bars on the russian side in relation to a particular republic of belarus, similar ones and on the belarusian side in relation to the russian one there are simply moments that have such. well, basically global characters are aimed at protecting their national interests there, preventing expansion, not belarusian in relation to russia and vice versa, but in general in order to protect their market. uh, unfortunately sometimes it affects, in including, uh, the russian and belarusian sides in bilateral relations. we

have a very clear and powerful toolkit. this is a high-level group of the union state council of ministers of the union state. on this group, from the belarusian side, our honor is headed by the sacred plenipotentiary ambassador cool slower than nikolaevich from the russian side, deputy prime minister averchok alexei logvinovich, and for 3 years. at least. for me, such information was considered about 100 ten questions on various topics and for the most part were found. ah, constructive decoupling. how to solve this or that question stair nikolaevna, if the barrier remains, well, it was absolutely correctly noted from both sides. yes, and about uh, it decided the mutual recognition of these operations. let's hope that it will be resolved, because they were concluded. relations and under the unified industrial policy for the recognition of all operations, it remains to settle the technical things to amend the regulatory legal acts, but,

probably, such a big question, which, uh, would well push the development of economic relations. this is the recognition of an electronic digital signature. it is being considered, both at the deuce and at the five, therefore, the plan is within the framework of this instrument, which igor vasilyevich named the working group. at the level of the deputy prime minister, an action plan was developed to address this issue of recognizing an electronic digital signature. let's hope that it will move forward, so that indeed business transactions are finally completed in electronic form, because they always bring only pluses to the digital agenda. sometimes there are cons electronic digital signature is required. well, without this, listen to the twenty-third year in the yard correctly, but finally dear experts. here. e, what do you think, where are the additional drivers for the development of integration? aerospace processes precision engineering robotics automation of production there, if we

are talking about mechanical engineering, these are modern biotechnologies, respectively, this is the development of a forage base. uh, this is the development of new materials, uh, small-scale chemistry. uh, recycling, metal materials, uh, and so further, that is, the spectrum is wide, yuri vasilyevich , as i think, i completely agree. eh? with igor vasilyevich, i would probably add the aviation industry now, because it is precisely this that creates a good prospect in the republic of belarus for the formation of a new aviation industry. and this is also, i think, of course, bilateral relations. moreover , les nikolaevna is already taking steps in this direction. well, the most important thing is that it is probably science now that these directions, which are a new direction that she can offer on

joint science of the two countries, especially since the competence in the republic of belarus has not been lost. here, summarizing our conversation, dear experts. eh, how do you see the long-term prospects for the union state of lestnikov? well, you know, i'll get by , probably a very short phrase. in unity , our strength is the movement of the project, to which we are in full solidarity with the large economic space, the large eurasian space. excuse me, yuri vasilievich yes , you know, i really like the song, this is what is called two belarusian sisters of russia and chorus. there next they are so different, but still there are sisters. so it happens that two sisters are similar to them for a century. given from god, two people need one destiny. one road, two sisters in the whole world no to russia two sisters of belarus and russia are wonderful words. thank you for your opinion dear experts. thank you for taking the time on wednesday evening to come to the studio in bels or the radio company on makayonka, nine

thanks to our guests. we say goodbye to you. appreciate reliable and loyal partners. and may the economic environment be favorable for you, goodbye.

the state security committee of belarus together with the tv news agency beltelli radio companies present a project on the genocide of the belarusian people of the great patriotic war, the khodyn tragedy, we break the sealing wax from archival documents. we could tell this truth, which actually was. information has been closed for today white spots. no, what happened in the forest village 80 years ago, eyewitnesses of the bloody events. they were very determined. that was such an influx to me

why this day i remember people who searched for, arrested and interrogated the executioners of the khatyn, of course, there was the detention of those who burned and shot 149 people. the threshing barn, where the villagers are located, so the translator of the battalion lukovich, opposite the doors was installed an easel machine gun, behind which you don’t feel sorry for the trick, and then people began to choose and shoot at the 80th anniversary of the tragedy running out a documentary from the series without a statute of limitations. watch right now.

a hundred volumes of criminal cases, which reveal the details of the tragedy in khatyn, the testimony of the victims, the questionnaire of the arrested, the protocols interrogations of witnesses, accused face-to-face examinations, tens of thousands of documents, the result of investigative activities of employees of the state security committee of the bssr, the case is stored in the central archive of the kgb, belong to the state secrets of belarus and got acquainted with archival funds. i was introduced by our uh veteran and drew attention to a very large criminal case. it took up more than an entire shelf in the vault. and then i asked. and what kind of interesting thing is this, that is, all the cases, there are several boxes there, well, maximum there are five or six. he spoke in one big word. this is a hut. and when he asked me do you

know who burned you? how old is he, of course i know, of course, the germans burned khatyn. he said, no, it wasn't the germans who burned it. they wanted from the ukrainian company a special battalion from the derevanger involved in the destruction of the inhabitants of the village of khatyn was arrested back in the early sixties of the last century. and when i read and saw that they were ukrainians, and there were all ukrainians both by birth and by nationality. i asked him. and why don't they tell us about it? we were never ukrainians anywhere during interrogation back in the sixty-first, iosif kamensky said the only adult who managed to escape from a burning barn, but ukraine was one of the 15 fraternal union republics, a neighboring country, a sister slav, so the first secretaries of the communist party of belarus and ukraine

decided not to pedal the situation . for a long time we did not open our archives, and we did not give these materials, that is, the information was closed for today, there are no white spots criminal case number 26 615 on charges, dear. vasily andreevich of the seventy-fifth year. for 48 years now, the phonogram of the confrontation has been sealed with wax, sensational shots are broken, sealing wax, open the folder and open the x-files.

my name is the formation in question, the 118th ukrainian security police battalion, it was he who destroyed khatyn, the nazi unit was created in kiev in august, 42. in december 42, the unit was sent to belarus to guard various objects of the occupational administration of the fight against partisans, which was supposed to be a punitive function during the war. their daily, well, let's say in quotation marks work.

the most famous action of the 118th battalion was the destruction of the village of khatyn on march 22 , 1943, this operation was not developed in advance and no decision was made into the plans ; they spontaneously acted under the township. the tragedy of khatyn began a few kilometers from the village at a turn the partisans cut the communication wires and waited for the repair team set up an ambush in a convenient place on the hill, when the first car appeared, they opened fire. as it turned out later, six of the first company, 118th police battalion, were traveling in it. hans-velke, the 1936 olympic champion in shot put, was with him and vasily meleshka at that time near the place of the partisan ambush. there were residents of the trump village whom the occupying authorities sent to cut down the forest, it was necessary to clean 50 m, forest belts next to the road so that the partizans could not get close to the highway

. kozyrev's lumberjacks became the first victims of the khatyn tragedy. they laid them on the asphalt. at all of them were beaten. on the way, their brother, well, from the gorge lay the oldest four bullets hit, 24 civilians of the kozyrevsk lumberjack were killed, some still managed to escape. they were able to escape into the forest. it was on the morning of march 22, 43 the partisans who ambushed retreated to khatyn to be massacred by the inhabitants of khatyn, 118, a police battalion, departed from the shoulders no, as the connection was damaged and the unit did not know what happened on the road only after the return of the wounded cutie , the personnel was raised by anxiety. it happened at about 13:00 , the partisans went in pursuit in full force and with heavy weapons. with the help

of the ukrainian police battalion 118 , a ukrainian platoon was sent from laguisk. the ss-derlander battalion surrounded the village on the right and left by the first and third companies, 118 battalions in the center of the esovtse. we were playing in the street now, and then pobeda came or went out into the street and started shooting, as they started shooting. so here we have bullets all around, flying very hard , shooting at the teams by the battalion chief. followed by a mouth and a whistle of fellow people from the houses and lead to the center of the village there was such a barn when i came to the barn. there were already 10 people there, including my family, i also asked why they weren’t wearing what my wife adele was walking engines, that their punishers had divided people continued

to herd people into this barn, and after a short time it was completely filled, which you can’t even raise your hands, the size of the barn was 12 by 6. the interpreter of the battalion , lukovich, leaves western ukraine. at the direction of vasyura, he supported me to the barn and arson the roof, the barn team shouted there, which means that dana's command was to fire from machine guns. people doomed to death, including me and my family members, cried loudly , opening the barn door, the punishers began to shoot citizens with machine guns and other weapons, but the shooting was almost not heard due to the strong screaming of the people.

my 15-year-old son adam and i ended up near the wall. killed citizens. people still alive fell on me, rushing about, in general, the crowd, like waves, blood poured from the wounded and killed , the burnt roof collapsed, a terrible wild scream howling people. even intensified. under it burned alive people. they yelled and tossed and turned so that it was the roof that was spinning. it was great for you, i didn’t want to set fire to the clock, than in the evening here but to live darkly , the galoshes were very screaming and crying. everything was scary when they saw me, the man was there. he spoke a lot, my sister says, in short, the sister

of joseph kamensky's barn became a mass grave for all the villagers, the oldest joseph rudak was 69 years old, the youngest tolik yatskevich was only 7 weeks old. it burned down with mother probablyskevich. the eldest daughter of minsk jadwiga was in her last month of pregnancy. shoot, well, then after that , these and automatic rifles also fired. where did it end. instead of khatyn, the executioners left the ashes in a few evening hours of a terrible march monday, the punishers were burned alive 149 people, 75, of which children under 16 years old was another victim of khatyn previously unknown girl from a neighboring village wet shadows on belyakova when

the shootout began the partisans began to retreat to the side of the wet, where it is about a kilometer and a half or two from khatyn today there is a forest, and in the forty-third there was a field. the inhabitants of the wet, hearing the shots, began to run into the forest not to belyakov, but in some inexplicable way today they ended up on the field with buckets of water. where or where did she carry them? today , no one will tell the girl was killed by a random bullet. she became the first and at the same time the 150th victim of khatyn. in addition to the 56-year-old blacksmith joseph kaminsky, several more children became alive. after all, the mother has already covered lapkovich with her body, volodya yaskevich was hiding in the potato pit of his sister sonya in the cellar. they were my peers. covered with boards, they told about what the german had discovered. board, and there

the kids are sitting. and closed. i had a burnt back of my body and my son's arms. adam , who was lying about three meters away from me, called me to him to pull him out of the puddle. i crawled up and lifted him, but i saw that he was cut in half by bullets, my son adam still managed to ask his mother came to life. and then he died. i myself got up and could not move, but soon came up to me, my brother-in-law, eskevich iosif antonovich, who lived on a farm about one and a half kilometers from the village of khatyn, took him to his home. rather, the village of khatyn was almost carrying on itself, already completely burning down. kamensky was treated on a farm,

bogdanovka was an honored doctor of the bssr maria anisimova, an underground worker who worked as a surgeon in the logoisk hospital, and the residents of khatyn were buried on the third day after the tragedy. the inhabitants of the surrounding villages on a pony and drove already dark, it was gone to look. so there, they burned everything, but people were crawling. here is burnt and the living are alive. there nobody stayed. they were buried there, in that place the khatyns became investigators of the okgb in the grodno region in the seventies. they were investigating crimes, the nazis of those who killed people in the gallery, the 118th ukrainian battalion in 1944 was stationed on the territory of the grodno region.

inquiries were sent from grodno to several regions of ukraine and the baltic states. the first to reach lacoste , he lived in donetsk, he was arrested on april 1 , 1973. on the same day at 12:30. the first interrogation began, then he was transferred to grodno here gradually four more accused were brought before trial. they were in the grodno prison number one. today it is difficult to say by accident or intentionally, but the case against the punishers of khatyn was opened on the thirtieth anniversary of the tragedy on march 21 , 1973. grigory lakusta, a native of the chernivtsi region of ukraine, worked in the test. donetsk miners he led a brigade of carpenters brigade of 35 people. he coached the management football team, which took first place in the local regional competitions for the children's football team. lacusta had two daughters. hope worked as a gas dispatcher in the city of

dokuchaevsk lyudmila was a student at donetsk university. a young girl jumps into our office, dad. where were you during the war? and i still didn’t know that you served with the nazis. he is silent. she shook her head, she turned alone from the table and to the window and tried to rush down. the second took the jacket lived at home in the village of velikaya gorozhanka. lviv region worked on a collective farm. he had two children, a son and a daughter , four brothers, one of whom ivan was a security guard at the opera and ballet theater in lvov two sisters did not bypassed one should not by the end draw up paperwork, and he says, let him get up this start let it pass. so this is the skin of the arrested prince

belozinsky lived in the lviv region. drying in kuibyshev, everyone was taken to grodno. the investigation continued until december 29, 1973. of the five accused, only lapusta was taken to khatyn, 73 years old, the memorial is already in operation, but for the duration of the investigative experiment, the complex was closed on the site of the former village, lakusta saw concrete obelisks in the form of a chimney and open on the stitch-caster in place of houses which are not there, they were burned by cousteau, along with the rest of the employees of the 118th police ukrainian battalion, the last time the accused was here, he heard screams, the executioner of people, the machine gun was very queued in the seventy- third year. every 30 seconds. the silence was broken by the ringing of a bell. kusta did not utter a word about how the plazinskys dry before serving in the 118 ukrainian police battalion were

civilians or the case was considered by the grozny regional court. the verdict was announced on march 15, 1974. the regional court sentenced. shoot them all, and then the supreme court replaced, left the punishment only for the commander, deputy commander, zhod latyshsky 74th, due to newly discovered circumstances, a criminal case was opened against meleshko, commander, platoon, 118th battalion. don't think that they just say it all. it all needs to be pulled out. it 's interrogating these people, it's a very, well, time-consuming job. you see, when they are already starting to speak, there is no need to interrupt , they will let them speak out, the criminal case 26.615 on charges of a small child consists of 12 volumes, which

is interesting for a witness in the case attention from the story of the commander of the battalion smovsky became to me. it is known that the policemen of our battalion participated in the execution and destruction of the citizens of the village of khatyn. i did not take part in this operation and the details. i do not know the company commander. vinnitsky said that in this massacre , the darling lukovich lakusta especially distinguished themselves, why are they safe there? one sadistic act, these ruthlessness of sadism was expressed in the destruction of the civilian population of the doomed, driven into a barn and set on fire. and when people started screaming and tried to run out from the barn they were shot from all types of weapons. military tribunal of the belarusian military district on may 22, 1975, vasily meleshko, the death penalty, execution , the sentence was carried out on december 22, 75

, the kiev region, the lyceum of our trip was detention and deliver him to. grodno was arrested 11 years after the execution of mishka . although back in the seventies they planned to bring him to justice, but on december 31, 74 production. pavlov was discontinued due to the circumstances. and in terms of rigidity and posadism and dexterity in solving or a knack for avoiding responsibility. here is a prominent person, with such features, for the first time vasyura was arrested in march 1952, sentenced to 25 years, but released under an amnesty in 1955 again,

the criminal case against novoser was opened on march 27, 1986, april 24, 1986. that's what we detained him with bronchial asthma. and when we allow it, it has already been delivered more. yes, he asked the boys. wait. let me breathe in the pre-trial detention center on the prison grounds. extremely reluctant. he testified until the last unconscious in crimes. as for khatyn, he called it that way, he was immediately forced to name it somewhere, there khtoevich, in short, even changed the name when he was pressed by other testimony. yes , i forgot that that was the name of the village. she was just so called the usual bring. in the morning,

then they take him straight back for lunch and after lunch again he brought him for the first time , he says, i won’t go for lunch. why because if i dine? i'm suffocating, i can't speak. it means he brought with him two sweets caramel and two pieces of black bread is smeared with something. well, maybe the margarine is something thin like that. well, we already made tea for him there. from places of detention in belarus , chickens were delivered to dry, as they arranged face-to-face confrontations at the pilozinsky, went to crime scenes. he was brought to khatyn vasyuru. until the last, he denied his participation in the destruction of khatyn, insisted that he was in lithuania, was looking for his family, recognized only some episodes. the interrogations did not stop . he was transferred to minsk to the kgb detention center. he was alone in the detention center. for him

food was cooked alone, he alone went for a walk. he could, uh, dare to say that the weather is bad today. i do not want to go for a walk today, a criminal case, 26,613 on charges of eight and grigory nikitovich. compiled 17 volumes as a result ended on september 3, 1986. in general. uh said the words at the trial. yes , it wasn’t me, no, and he was up to the end the main imputed to him specifically, proven by witnesses of the actions of thirty indictment vasyura’s verdict amounted to about 150 pages on december 26, 1986, the military tribunal of the belarusian military district sentenced vasya's hand to death. when you ura heard that capital punishment

his reaction, what was it? on october 13, 1987 , a notice was sent to the head of the registry office of the brovary district executive committee of the kiev region. i ask you to register the death of the convicted vasyura. grigory nikitovich date of death october 2, 1987. the commander of the battalion snovsky escaped punishment, lived in the united states, the ukrainian commander died a natural death. the first company, vinnitsa lived in canada led the ukrainian diaspora, was not prosecuted in canada , but another executioner and the 118th battalion, volodymyr katyuk, settled down, he was a beekeeper, that is , he bred bees, how we lived a reclusive lifestyle did not like to talk about