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good evening hello, i’m glad to greet you. mutually, vladimir kornilov is a person known to our viewers more and more from russian programs. yes solovyov time will tell 60 minutes and so on, where you can hear what you think, but not why do you think that's our timing allows you to talk normally and learn both the first and second. let's start with the deficit russian and ukrainian political scientist. well, at least that's what wikipedia says yes . before, both adjectives were comfortable. but which one is closer now and why? well, this russian wikipedia quotes ukrainian wikipedia specifically looked the other day that vladimir kornilov is a russian
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political scientist known for his ukrainian statements. that is, as you understand the different interpretations, the most offensive thing was in general, when i was still a citizen of ukraine yes exclusively. the russian wikipedia indicated the ukrainian political scientist as denin of ukraine, and the ukrainian one indicated the russian political scientist, that is, respectively, both of them did not consider their own. but uh, you know, even while living in ukraine and being a citizen, again , exclusively of ukraine, i asked me to indicate in general in my book in my yes , the creators of the war were the whole point to me a dai political scientist. no, historian, historian, donbass and so on. that is, even then i did not associate myself with that state precisely as a state and, accordingly, all his life consciously. in general, i fought for my homeland of donbass to return to my homeland of russia. so, that is, it was
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before the fourteenth year. it was, in fact, from the period when e became. it is clear that the branch will collapse. union will be since then. i’m afraid for this, i’m in 1989. in the year under the soviet union, already seeing, uh, the danger of where it all leads. together with my brother, we created the donbass inter-movement, i entered the leadership of the all-union structure of the soyuz group if you remember this was a group of black colonels, what was it called? that is, i was a member of its central council, mind you, 89 years old, still very young. i was then eh, but nevertheless i already understood then that it would be a great tragedy. and you know, when my brother and i in 1991 under a referendum on december 1 , 1991, and in ukraine, which took place near nezalezhnosti, went underground and handed over leaflets calling for voting against nezalezhnosti alone.
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by the way, who could do this in ukraine , such a free one was democratic referendum. so we indicated there, yes, what the withdrawal of ukraine from the composition will lead to. well, separation from russia, right? yes, this threatens with economic collapse - this is a granite impoverishment of the people. it threatens. uh, the advent of nationalism revival bandera tires and at the end there was a civil war. even our allies reproached us then. well, why are you exaggerating like this? yes? well, what kind of war, maybe, well, that 's all, unfortunately, in the end , all our forecasts and warnings came true. 2014, crimea is returning its harbor, yes. and why then those, well indeed, other regions inhabited by the russian population of the region did not follow examples at that moment, why did this not happen? basically? well, how? well, in the donbass , you know, attempts were made in the donbass, this happened, that is, the donbass, with arms in hand
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, defended this right. moreover, they also held a referendum and many have forgotten it, but i want to remind you immediately after the referendum, which took place in the donbass e. uh, the then head of the people's council of the donetsk people's republic, mr. pushilin, immediately the day after the referendum turned officially to moscow with a call to accept into the russian federation, but there was also odessa kharkov kherson, we know how they suppressed it. do you remember, yes, there were violent crackdowns in kharkov. after all, in principle, the ukrainian nazis did not hide their plan then. first, they suppressed the anti-maidan in kiev, put everyone on the floor there. uh, then it means they had it planned that way, then they need kharkov, then they need to clean up odessa, then donbass, then crimea, that is, they simply intimidated, that is. well, not that they were intimidated and killed somewhere. they just killed. you started your
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labor path. uh-huh, i really liked it, because it coincided. i, too, once did this from work as a turner, yes, well, first i would have a car dealership, only then. probably every tokarev car mechanic, yes, a little political scientist is sure of this, but not every political scientist is a turner, yes, that's how life really led from a working absolutely working specialty, where first of all you work with your hands. to head work. well, what i agree with, any turner, of course, a philosopher, at least. it is definitely without philosophy to be a turner, just impossible. here, but in general, uh, well, how i finished school. i'm like you, and artyom sheinin told me. yes, he began by studying the history of diplomacy. yes, i read everything that could be the history of diplomacy, world history. eh, there everything related to politics from childhood he outlined what, by the way,
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the bbc and the voices of america silence my voices and so on. yes, i found it somewhere. e. well, how? well, they just listened, there and so on. here i knew in my childhood all the presidents of the capital e prime ministers, where which party wins? where which loses from childhood school years, i say again, well, there was no specialty political scientist then. in our universities. by the way, i had my doubts. where should i go was a large selection of different ones, by the way, a military school, i thought about going and as i remember now, when we were writing an essay there in the tenth grade. who will become who yes, and one of my classmates, even as i remember now, wrote that here is vladimir kornilov. i heard that a military school was going, but i was going to a specific military school. uh, here, uh, to krasnodar, which trained cryptographers, at least as
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minimum encryptor. so he says, well, i don’t imagine his military uniform, they say he will be sure to be a political observer. here somewhere on television and so on. can you imagine, yes, this my classmate wrote, but i didn’t know where, uh, i decided everything was going to the army then anyway urgent service was necessarily i’m going to the army and then they decided, respectively, there is a small gap between the school and the army , i went to a specialty, which, by the way, is not school in this, as it was called there at us a raise. ah, professionalism. for now , yes, courses. i went to the same place where i did this practice, respectively , i worked for several months, and after the army , yes, there was no longer any doubt. i went to the faculty of history to study and was immediately actively involved in social and political life. actually further. i already told you. in fact , an excellent historical education, but now
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in my opinion. one of the most requested. yes, it helps a lot, it's great that it's really for you to understand. uh, modernity must necessarily understand the past to read it. e and, accordingly , the mistakes of the past to learn, so as to avoid the mistakes of the future what? unfortunately, we mean all of us collectively often do not know how. well, they put it in lipetsk life is connected with the donbass i was not born in the city of lipetsk. there since 6 years. all i dream of is to go, at least remember something. but yes, that's it, i'm in the seventh generation of donetsk, that is, all my ancestors. here the don donetsk basin was born. and? here is the most interesting both parents. yes they from the donetsk steppes, but in the rostov region on the territory of the rsfsr were born. here, uh, my older brother was born in donetsk let's say my parent graduated from the stalinist pedagogical
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institute. donetsk, respectively, so they returned, as if they brought me to their native land, little yes, from the first class. i went to a donetsk school, but my history education did not prevent my colleague from becoming at the age of 28, and the director of the trk ukraine is again in donetsk . yes, i'm not all that the rk of ukraine was the director of a creative association inside. yes, i created in fact. and the point is that tv and radio broadcasting company of ukraine has become one of the most successful television projects. uh, in ukraine, uh, but, of course, i started much earlier, that is, my first article. i wrote in 1989. it’s been a topic since i was 21, e.g., the cop was called how rukh begins and, accordingly , i immediately pointed out the danger, e . i
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have created a program of choice. by the way, very much in favor of elections. i mean, i was already doing it. i have little in addition, i even became, in my youth, deputies of some local authorities. and i also understood what to be e deputy. it's much more boring than doing deputies. here. let's yes, and, accordingly, i took up more pre-election technologies for studying implementation in practice. well, why, because uh , the selection program i created very curiously, then the look program was in vogue, if you remember, yes, uh, everyone, there they watched it, all of them all quoted it. i thought about creating a similar regional format and went to the first independent television in ukraine as i remember now, he had the number one license in general throughout ukraine, donetsk, such a 7x7 channel and, uh, with this idea. well, they say there, well, it's so uninteresting not immediately afterwards. well, let's work on the news for now. well,
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okay. i went with this project from donetsk , who was then practically unknown to anyone . well, he was quite influential then in donetsk, and now, probably, everyone already knows the name of nikolai yancharov. well, definitely. here we talked to him. well then i say he was nobody not yet known. affairs of donetsk here. i went to him with this project, knowing that he influences this channel i speak. here you will have an election. eh, correspondence helps, then the channel director calls me, gives me my own paper written by me, says, look, here nikolay yang is something like this. well, something raw . and you just wanted something like that, and i take this one and criticize you for something not well, here, of course, something completely nonsense is written and so on. that's how i started to make the program of choice, which then became
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really a breakthrough in the most popular in the donbass and, uh, played in many ways, determining, well, a significant role, so to speak, in changing the political agenda there in the donbass. we even organized a referendum in 1994. and then thanks to donbass, including this program, a referendum was held in donetsk luhansk, by the way, where more than 90 percent. the legal referendum on its decision was of the soviets, that is, absolutely legally, where more than 90 percent spoke in favor of the official status of the russian language for the federal structure of ukraine for the self-government of donbass, if then the donbass would have obeyed, these same officials in kiev, you see, we would not have brought all this to these terrible sad bloody ones. yes, but that's the point, vladimir is here. the irony of fate, but we also had a program on the ont tv channel, choice in the tenth year. she ceased to exist.
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yes, because our presenters, so yes, he made a different choice and left, just to ukraine , then commenting repeatedly. how far is freedom of speech more developed there than in ours? totalitarian or as a republic. that's what then you could have a debate. that's in those years, you know, that's when i was then in uh in the first half of the nineties? um, there was practically no censorship, well, there were very strong indignations of the nazis against the nationalists. they demanded to close. eh , of course, for a very long time, they stubbornly came, rallied from lvovna, and so on, but in general, to say that someone strongly interfered with the revolutionary polina . after kuchma came to power, began to slowly turn off. us. as a result, it was forbidden to talk about two languages
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​​about federalism. the word federal structure was forbidden to be mentioned at all, and so for many years. it was all so driven out of the ninety-fourth year. well, before. i mean, they demanded to close it before, but from the ninety-fourth. yes, it has already become such a common state policy, later. e, there were four or five years, when a bunch went for a second term, and when suddenly e, they began to remind, and he promised bilingualism and everyone was shocked that it turns out that someone else remembers this, and most of ukraine spoke russian, and so kuchma himself did not speak a word of ukrainian for a long time. and what was this zigzag towards the sale of an american newspaper, you know , after that i went to work in the press in print, but what was the print press in those eighties and nineties, that is, the party leadership disappeared, all the press
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knows what. in general, she seems to be earning. and how no one knows. and so you know, there were always disputes, but they didn’t have that, there were all sorts of courses. you probably also saw that all these western quarrels came here. well, i tried. by the way, i remember that i went through a lot of various courses, trainings and so on. i remember being on one of them. in the middle of the second half of the nineties, he first met belarusian swingers. yes, so you have the right accent then. they were from magara. now they mostly run. no, well, i remember back then, as i was shocked. they are with my brother and i were required to take courses somewhere in the czech republic in slovakia, and they demanded to speak russian with us a little. e, speak ukrainian. you are from ukraine and this colonial past is necessary, well, we switched to english with them . okay, the working language of the conference . well, suddenly, a day later
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, we find that they are with the poles and speak polish. i say wait, wait. yes, but what is it? again, the colonial past. but how did your belarusian figures omit everything, uh, your eyes were blown and switched to russian, who financed, in principle, always determined it, and in the end i went. i had the opportunity to go to america for a year and i've been there a lot. studied, including technologies of printing distribution technologies. uh, making seals and so on and then came back. e, he headed a very successful regional project, by the way, in a business project, the salon of don and bass in donetsk was like that and then became the editor-in-chief of the most widely circulated newspaper, already kievskaya gazeta today. well, that is, it still came in handy more than i see, but if we talk about the starting point. yes, when after all, freedom of the press in the same ukraine, yes, imaginary, but you yourself confirm it? yes
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, but when it was divided into before and after, well, for us it is 2014. well, no, of course, it all started much earlier, that is, the introduction of the ideas of nationalism began in general from the eighties. uh, then the wildest theories already appeared that the russians were enemies and so on. this began to be introduced at the state level of ideology, of course, in the eighties. it all started from the end. for some reason, many simply believe that everything is after the collapse. there is no union. we have it too started in the late eighties. yes, but it was. maybe that's how it's expressed. and it seems to me that you know that no one has seen this in the donbass either. but i come at the beginning of the ninety -first year, a few more months before the collapse of the union, to lviv ternopil and already there in terno. on stepan bandera avenue, that is, you represent the soviet union is still alive, and already , and already , a soviet tank was removed from the pedestal in the monument, and already on may 9
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, a tradition started in lviv already two or three years, well, eighty-ninth year. it started, and beat the veteran on may 9, that is, the nazi these thugs were going to beat the veterans of the great patriotic war. all this was introduced gradually, many perceived. this is e. well, as some kind of private phenomenon that does not deserve attention to me, you have no idea how much you heard it in moscow when we warned about the threats of all this both in donetsk and kiev what yes, well, why are you exaggerating? why are you so passionate about it? somewhere, by the way, i have a text message from one minister and yanukovych, who is very influential, by the way, ministers. uh, when i warned everyone in the thirteenth year several in advance. months, what will happen? maidan assaults will be in secret? well, everything to this, well, that is, it is definitely necessary. eh, ready for it. this miss wrote to me. why are you like this? well, who are you, why are you pushing? who
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needs it? now somewhere in moscow hiding by itself you know, here, i often wondered. why in the fourteenth? well, we would think that it brightly began precisely in the fourteenth, in such a short time, even the russian-speaking part of the population. she began to hate russian culture so much history. no, well, of course, even here it’s not necessary to treat everyone with the same brush, of course, we see how russian liberators meet in colors. many clearly for many it is nasty there, but simply express it no one can be. you understand what happens then to those who are killed somewhere. just yes there who can't escape. how many people are healthy now? hiding, my friend in the monasteries hid there until he was caught by a hut. now behind the walls of the orthodox journalistic there is a good patient pressure. well, now he is being tortured there, what's wrong with him
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we do not know, that is, a lot. of course, people do not support what the ukrainian authorities are doing. well, the fact that this psychology was introduced into the masses for a long time. that's uh hmm you know the idea uh difference between russian ukrainians the idea of ​​hatred for each other. it's true. it's a fact, isn't it? you will not believe why it came to some absolutely animal instincts of dispersal of animal instincts, that is, let's say i took part in one tv program. well, two years before the maidan of all these on the trc ukraine channel of the tatar renata akhmetova excuse me, he is the owner and there they discussed , uh, dna. that's how different the dna of russians and ukrainians is, and they came to the conclusion on the basis of some german swindler, there conclusions that ukrainians are true aryans. and
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then i shout to them in the studio what you are doing. yes, you understand what this is leading to at all, for the sake of uh, hype, for the sake of some views, you are now dispersing what will underlie future bloodshed. yes, and what do you think events begin, otherwise 14 years and here is one of the first one of the first interviews. e militants. uh, in my opinion the legal sector is forbidden in russia, i hope there are also them in belarus, uh, which explain why they kill people. they are fighting there in mariupol, which means they are in the donbass . he is not different from us, we are the dna of truth, they are not and refer to this program. that is , here you can imagine, yes, that is, it worked. yes, it worked, and very successfully, if i may say so. what is the best way to test your
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erudition and ingenuity with the right tricky questions? name the fabulous gin who was saved due to turning by the soviet boy volka of the spikes, starik khottabych, and the full name is further well received. this is the absolutely correct answer. hope can still answer this question. and if the answer is wrong, it will be a minus is your right. is it true that any parallelepiped has all squares, because even the walkie-talkie that is attached here. it has the shape of a parallelepiped. well, if you discard the antenna, yes, because as i remember, a rectangle is also a square.
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bright star in the night sky in the northern hemisphere polar star, you ask me, i say, watch intellectually entertaining projects on our tv channel ready for an exciting adventure through the cities of belarus cozy places and medieval glacier buildings built of polchatkin brick. if you look closely, you will see traces of the master's fingers, they say that thanks to this unique technique, parts of the glacier managed to survive, ancient estates and majestic cathedrals. pay attention to the tower clock. they are not at all characteristic of the orthodox architecture , parishioners themselves collected money for them, dense forests and picturesque rivers. and today the sea is knee-deep to me. here this phrase takes on a special meaning in the center of the reservoir shallow water, see the program of the city of
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belarus on our tv channel. look we have long tried to impose that ideology. it's something caveman. yes. well, especially when the union collapsed everything, the ideology, the communist one, was driven out, literally driven out. and then it’s just that this is without time on the basis of which just the nationalist races have grown on attitude towards ideology. but i myself, let's say, not in the past, but in the present, too, are an idiot. i understand perfectly well that more secure words have been found in the west. that is, they call it not ideology, they call it whatever you like, winter, crucian carp, yes, freedom, but one way or another, after all , ideological aspects in the west are being worked out, introduced and implanted. i would even say, well, of course, not only that, but they do not hide what is at the forefront for them, that, as they say, democratic values,
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respectively, under these democratic values. you can kill, rape, rob disband you're doing the right thing in bombing the whole country, please, it's all in the name of this ideology, you understand? vladimirovich , this is the informal title that i read you as an ideologist. donetsk people's republic is here for you. what is it about? well, i don’t consider myself as such, of course, i, er, but there are those who do. not i really hope that my works of work were also useful, in any case, when the donetsk people's republic was proclaimed in donetsk, it was indicated in the declaration of the proclamation that it was successor of the case of the donetsk kryvyi rih soviet republic, which was created in the eighteenth year. and i’m the only one who studied this story and wrote, accordingly, long before these events, a book about the history of these events, i want to say forbidden stories, that is, if you look,
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yes, this topic was also banned in the soviet union in the ukrainian soviet socialist republic and especially in independent ukraine a. why in your opinion? the children's union is coming. you know, now i’ll explain to me, by the way, dmitry tabaknik, the then minister formation of ukraine, he then at that moment was. when i found out i was writing, uh, a book on the subject. he was very surprised, he says, in our institute of history at kiev university , the soviet account. ah, the institute of history. you know, it was possible to break through any topic, bandera is a skoropad etman, there, well, anything. clearly in strict accordance with the ideology of the communist party, but nevertheless, you can afford to write something one topic was banned. they couldn't write well. not good. donetsk republic in general it was impossible to write at all, it was impossible to mention. and why i will explain to you, because when you study the history of that
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period, you involuntarily ask a question. how did it happen that such a vast russian -speaking region suddenly became part of the ukraine of soviet ukraine, yes. well, here it is, nonetheless. well, you involuntarily have to ask this question and answer it. well, like it or not, and then i remember how it turns out that in order to draw the donbass into the soviet ukraine, and we were promised several basic ones. i found from the original and documents. uh, handwritten including the original and documents of the period. he was promised that ukraine would not be a national entity, respectively, the mov language would not be implanted and the russian language would be banned, that ukraine would be the federal republic of donbass and would have broad autonomy , you know, the minsk agreements provided for. you see why it was impossible to mention it not by chance. by the way, vladimir putin when he is often and before the start of special operations. after
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that, he turned to that period, remembering when the donbass became part of ukraine, and he just remembered this topic, when all of a sudden , completely russian regions. that, not knowing, no one asked them about it, they became part of this very ukraine. that is why it was impossible to write about it. i wrote a book in the corresponding. yes, of course, i really hope that your book will be studied in the donbass, and that's what it was called. yeah, uh, shot dream. story. yes, yes, the donetsk kryvyi rih republic is shot with dreams. well, in it you explain why this region cannot be to kneel, even historically for those who haven't read it yet. why, well, uh, this is in the first place, because there is such a famous poem by our merciless donbass from donetsk, no one was forced to kneel and no one was allowed to put it written in the forty-second year, when we
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were, respectively, and in occupation and fought for liberation. and secondly, yes, this is a very original region that did not take anything against us again, you know donets people, because they have always been famous for. that's what they didn't understand in kiev yes, that's why let's say the donetsk elite coming to kiev, they didn’t perceive it at all, because the phrase sorry, of course, this donetsk phrase is not going anywhere. the kid said, the kid did it. well, that is, if you shook hands and agreed, then this is already unshakable. yes, but in kiev they always believed that wait, how it is, yes, that is, it is necessary to deceive something by itself. and how can you conclude something without agreements, and so on, and donbass was a special region, of course, it did not fit into the ukrainian mentality in any way, into these ukrainian traditions, and so on. and when they tried to impose on the donbass, some kind of alien cadres, let's say some kind of alien line. he
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never accepted it and rejected it. you know, all of putin is really in his speeches, only recently he began to talk about these historical realities. why is this? they were embarrassed. well, we were all embarrassed to talk about it before, that this is a russian region. russians live here russians live here. why are we so afraid of this? whom we were afraid to offend, but putin - he began to mention this, well, years. uh, well, actually, first of all, so called after the fourteenth year. he mentioned this one more than once. uh, passage about how suddenly the donbass turned out to be part of ukraine out of pure ideological party considerations. this was not hidden. yes, why the proletarian donbass yes, in fact , they gave e needed in ukraine, and ukraine has such a petty-bourgeois rural country as a republic, and it must be added to it a conscious bolshevik, powerful or element. that's all. so here it is for the sake
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of the party structure. yes, he turned out to be part of this state, well, but why we were embarrassed, and so, because we have such a practice, or what, unfortunately? to a large extent, and still we cannot er, often refuse it. i mean, not only russia, of course, in the post-soviet space. but we must not interfere. this is the main thing, what is the gas here. uh, where will ukraine go? yes, and at that time , the most russophobic projects were developing under his side. the russian language was banned when we raised the question, but about what needs to be linked, how does europe do it, how does it do it? west is the same ideology with economic benefit. are you looking, yes, as they say to iran now, for example. well, this is one of the most recent examples. yes, the us says. here you stop supporting russia. curl programs with drones. and we are a little male to you with them. yes, the same
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is offered to everyone absolutely. here they have a very clear link. here is our ideological line for a world based on rules. you follow him at least a little, and here we are for you a little. we will single out a little bit of your money taken by us, uh. and we were always embarrassed about it. for some reason we thought that ideology is separate. no. no, in no case should the question of cheap prices be confused with low gas prices. excuse me, then with these same questions, the protection of the russian language in ukraine with the development of programs for the development of russian history and culture. it couldn't be tied together. it was officially announced, you know, and this, unfortunately, predetermined our dependence on the economy of the centric model, when ideology is something superficial somewhere, and just think, it doesn’t affect anything, that it’s
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for us to buy the ukrainian elite cheap gas and all. everything will go. well, you see, in many ways we are paying the price. it's true, and we all, yes, ukraine is one of the examples, but a vivid one. and, of course, a question for a person who has worked in a variety of ways. the media and which, though afraid. well, let's just say you are being quoted, including western buildings. that's why we've been seeing such a strong out of sync in the western press lately. why do some ukrainian counters have an offensive? yes, this is a breakthrough and literally on the same day in another newspaper in another. the media is a failure, what's going on at all now different. i've been really doing the last years. hmm, analyzing most of the western media , mainstream versus mainstream in different countries, researching, including election technology in these countries and media technology in the first place. you know, it's just that different
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media in different countries play. uh, let's say a different role in relation to ukraine. i know some newspapers are british yes uh european, especially british ones that just have uh task uh to participate in this information war. let's say the times is a once conservative newspaper that it clearly has several full-time information provocateurs, so to speak, working in the service of these very chicks, and their british ones. well, with the involvement, of course, of the ukrainians. and now their task is to throw in russophobic fakes to disperse these very anti-russian sentiments. in particular. they started doing this long before i can assure you. and well, from them you will still hear attempts to prove it anyway. uh , tomorrow, if let's say, yes, the russian liberation, uh, troops, let's say, end up in
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uh, somewhere in the west of ukraine, yes, then they are all they will still write about victory, that is, their task is the spirit, partners have a front, training. they need to mind their own business. there are more honest reporters, so to speak, who get to the front line. and although they can't directly say that it is russia, it turns out that they are right, but, uh, they still really describe what they see. eh, let's say. just now , an italian reporter visited kupinsky. yes, and he described that russian liberators were waiting there. uh, many left kupyansk with the russian army. and, of course, they dream of returning, then there is something like this breaks through. it's just that some newspapers have, uh, different tasks , some are directly involved in the information war against russia for ukraine for the ukrainian one. this same army, and some do not. now, if you start from one of your books, how
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to win elections? yes, in the united states, great britain and the european union. yes, the analysis of these political technologies. yes, that's what you call it. very soon parliamentary elections in poland oh yes, then the presidential elections in america russia and ukraine 25 elections in belarus i 'm not talking about the elections in georgia yes and so further. well, these are the main ones that are the end of the twenty-third beginning and the middle of the twenty- fourth year. let's just say behind the scenes i was told that you really are now very much engaged in the polish theme. so now you have an analysis of new technologies. you know which will apply in these elections. and you know how these elections will affect yours. uh, how can we say some paradox? well, in fact, such a thing is in some countries, in particular in poland. yes, i really am very
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i'm actively following what's going on there . we are all traces of the upcoming elections there, yes, but a very interesting development of the scenario. and by the way, i think that we should help our polish brothers. here, uh, they are now accusing that well , hello, well, kornilov is trying to interfere in the polish elections. yes, they just didn’t blame. when i lived in the netherlands, i did not hide the fact that i work for the organization of the referendum, which means that in ukraine, the agreement, by the way, won them. uh, with opponents. this means that the accession of ukraine to the agreement of ukraine there is here reading the biography. i tried to understand what you were doing there for 4 years . i built it for four years. yes, indeed, this axis is a triangle, so that ukraine russia the european union in order to somehow find consensus there. well , why i was engaged in referending, including, uh, and i was like that, by the way, i read a lot about myself there in that
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dutch press, everyone tried to discuss it. who am i in the special services officially tried to buy my correspondence, which hackers hacked somewhere from a dutch newspaper, about which she wrote, in general, it was fun. well, what am i and everywhere i am really engaged in the study of pre-election technologies. so in poland now, but, in my opinion, there is more return to such classic patriarchal technologies. you look now that the referendum is involved. yes, that is a classic. excuse me, i mentioned mine from the elections in eighty there in 889, where i personally went to the polls once. eh, won them. e. in the first round , technology was used by a huge margin from the very serious ones, and so on , including using the local referendum. yes, that is, self-organized assessed questions polish referendum. it's absolutely, of course, a technique for raising votes of voters, mobilizing voters
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, anti-migrant sentiment and so on. that is a fence question. it is not set by chance. no, of course, this is thought out exclusively for elections and for nothing this referendum by peace itself is not needed, by and large, that is, new technologies were very actively involved during the election campaign. barack obama then everyone was obsessed with these big beats, and the database of the social network of use, and special all sorts of neurolinguistic e , criteria for selecting your target audience, respectively, targeting advertising it was for a specific small niche, yes , those votes that you want to get in ukraine, zelensky also hyped in the elections. well, there he has something else there, he is just on the general settings. he didn't use that much. uh, precision strike, but it's all technology. they cursed immediately after the victory of trump, who used these technologies
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very competently, including with the help of cambridge analytics. that's the one then, uh, they cursed again and banned it only because the trumps used something data from social networks, but at least it does not stick out about it. uh, because they can again punish to compare with trump and so on. what is the transition to traditional in very many countries. yes, it's more traditional. now look, the us presidential election is just around the corner. primaries level. and what about the primaries with only one party? yes and so, well, you see, all the candidates must have noted at the uh, fair, uh, the cattle must have been in jeans in this cowboy. hat to attend there and so on. well, well, everything is as in the classics, as in
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the good old days of the 19th century there. but of course, of course, no one has a question about using social networks, including assets. why is the referendum in poland - it 's good, and in belarus when we held a referendum, it's bad, there's no parallel at all, to be honest, polish the referendum was also condemned. you understand european stems, shmonton, because everything that they do works against pis, respectively. this is condemned a priori, that is, in the west this referendum is very strongly condemned, but i look, you know, at what at, how now the same peace chooses its audience. here they have calculated, let's say it is necessary for the votes of farmers, the traditional base electorate. eh, cunt. uh, fight the ban on ukrainian grain from here. yes, a complete and total ban, generally ukrainian agricultural products. they still hope the female electorate after all these. gave a part of the electorate back with a ban on abortions and so on. and what they will play now
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again it turned out that a significant part of the female audience, poland, are very strongly opposed to ukrainian migrants. uh, it turns out that these ukrainian women create e competition, as the newspaper wrote about it in the labor market, and it turns out that they also have such a market in the marriage market. here and uh, and here they will play on it. and why do i say that this is necessary use? i don't have any illusions about tusk. yes, we understand to go with you. they have a concept with russophobic, respectively revanchist imperial. if you like, if we are talking about the project, we are talking about the commonwealth. here, uh, they will be against belarus and against russia a priori whoever wins, but there is such a golden formula. sdd you know, eat each other. now, if recalling the classics, here, accordingly
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, this should be used, but in any case, is it possible to say that the united states stands behind the record and europe is behind the dimness well, how much is it correctly, let's say the united states is also very careful about this. the united states generally believes that poland is their project. and whoever wins there, they will support them. uh, the poles hope very much for us support . but the fact that tusk is definitely a euro.

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