from afar, they went underground and handed over leaflets calling for voting against the only independence. by the way, who could do this in ukraine, such a free democratic referendum was. so we indicated there, yes, what the withdrawal of ukraine from the composition will lead to. well, separation from russia, yes. this threatens with economic collapse - this is granite impoverishment of the people. it threatens. ah, the rise of nationalism. revival and c. the end was the civil war. even our allies reproached us then. well, why? is this how you react? yes? well, what kind of war, maybe? well, that's all, unfortunately, in the end, all of our forecasts and warnings in 2014 came true. crimea returns through the union yes. and why then those, well, indeed, other regions inhabited by the russian population, at that moment examples did not follow, why did this not happen? according to the principle no, well, how, well, in

the donbass, you know there were attempts in the donbass , this happened, that is, the donbass defended this right with arms in hand. moreover, they also held a referendum and many have forgotten it, but i want to remind you right after referendum, and which took place in the donbass, uh, the then head of the people 's council of the donetsk people's republic, pushilin, immediately the day after the referendum, officially addressed moscow with a call to accept kharkov as part of the russian federation, but odessa was also kharkov, we know how it was suppressed. do you remember, yes, in kharkov there were force dispersals. after all, in principle, the ukrainian nazis, and so on, did not hide their plan. first, they suppressed the anti-maidan in kiev, put everyone on the floor there. eh, then it means they have this it was scheduled, then you need kharkov , then you need to clean up odessa, then donbass, then

crimea that is, they just intimidated, that is, well, not that they intimidated somewhere they killed, they just killed you started your career. well i yeah, i really liked it, because it coincided. i, too, once did this from work as a turner. yes, but at first it would be a car mechanic, yes, then probably everyone is just a reactor mechanic. yes, a little political scientist is sure of this, but not every political scientist is a turner, yes, that's how life really led from working absolutely a worker in a specialty where, first of all, you work with your hands. to head work. well, what i agree with, any turner, of course, a philosopher, at least. it is definitely impossible to be a turner without philosophy. here, but in general, uh, well, how i finished school. this is how artyom sheinin told you. yes, he began by studying the history of diplomacy. yes, i read everything that could be the history of diplomacy, world

history. eh, there everything related to politics from childhood he outlined what, by the way, the bbc and the voices of america silence my voices and so on. yes, i found it somewhere. uh, well, how they listened to the russians, there and so on. here i knew in my childhood all the presidents of the capital e prime ministers, where which party wins? which one loses school years since childhood, i say again, well, there was no specialty political scientist then. in our universities. by the way, i had my doubts. where should i go was a large selection of different ones, by the way, a military school, i thought about going and as i remember now, when we were writing an essay there in the tenth grade. who will become who yes , here is one of my classmates, even as it is now i remember writing that vladimir kornilov. i heard that a military school was going, but i was going to a specific military school. uh, here, uh, in krasnodar, which

trained cryptographers, at least, at least a cryptographer. so he says, well, i don’t imagine his military uniform, they say he will be sure to be a political observer. here somewhere on television and so on. imagine, yes, this my classmate wrote, but i didn’t know where. eh, i decided to join the army, then they came and that's it. urgent service was necessarily i'm going to the army and then we’ll decide, respectively, there is a small gap between the school and the army, i went to a specialty, which, by the way, is out of school, as it was called. we have a promotion there. uh professionalism cpc exactly yes, uh courses. i went to the same place where i did this practice, respectively , i worked for several months, and after the army , yes, there was no longer any doubt. i went to the faculty of history to study and was immediately actively involved in

social and political life. actually further. i already told you. in fact excellent education historical, but now in my opinion. one of the most requested. yes, it helps a lot to understand this perfectly, that it is really for you to understand. eh, modernity must necessarily understand the past to read it. e and, accordingly, the mistakes of the past to learn, so as to avoid the mistakes of the future what? unfortunately, we, i mean, all of us collectively often do not know how. well, they put it in lipetsk. also connected with the donbass. i was not born in the city of lipetsk. there since 6 years. i dream everything go, at least remember something. but yes, that's it, i'm in the seventh generation of donetsk, that is, all my ancestors. here the don donetsk basin was born. and? here is the most interesting both parents. yes, they are from the donetsk steppes, but they were born in the rostov region on the territory of the rsfsr. here, uh, my older brother was born in

donetsk let's say my parent graduated from the stalinist pedagogical institute. donetsk , respectively, here they are back, as if they brought me a little one to their native land, yes, from the first class. i went to donetsk school, but historical education did not prevent my colleague from becoming at the age of 28, and the director of the trc ukraine is again in donetsk. yes, i'm not all that the rk of ukraine was the director of a creative association inside. yes, i created it. the point is that tv channel of ukraine became one of the most successful television projects in ukraine, but, of course, i started much earlier, that is, my first article. i wrote in 1989. this is how much i was 21 and the topic , uh, was called how does rukh begin and, accordingly, i immediately pointed out the danger, uh, the collapse of the country, the danger of the nazis ideology, nationalism, and all my life, since

the age of 21, this has been the choice. i have created a program of choice. by the way, very much in favor of elections. i mean, i was already doing it. not only that, i even became, in my youth, deputies of some local authorities. and i also understood what to be, uh, a deputy. it's much more boring than doing deputies. here is create. yes, yes, i was more engaged in pre-election technologies for studying implementation in practice. well, to the fact that e, i created the selection program very curiously, then the look program was in vogue, if you remember, yes, uh, everyone there watch everyone everyone quoted her. i thought about creating a similar regional format and went to the first independent television in ukraine, as i remember now, it had the number one license in general throughout ukraine, donetsk, such a channel 7x7 and, uh, with

this idea. well, they say there, well , it's not interesting right away, then we'll work on the news for now. ok then. i went with this project from donetsk, who was then practically unknown to anyone . well, he was quite influential then in donetsk, and now, probably, everyone already knows the name of nikolai yancharov. well, we certainly talked. well then i say, he was unknown to anyone yet. affairs of donetsk here. i went to him with this project, knowing that he influences this channel i speak. here you will have an election. eh, correspondence helps, then the director of the channel calls me, gives me my own paper written by me and says, look, here nikolay yang is something like that. well, something raw . and you just wanted something like that, and i take this one and criticize you for something not

well, here, of course, something completely complete nonsense is written and so on. these are the people who began to make a program of choice, which then became really a breakthrough, the most popular in the donbass, and, uh, played a large role, determining , well, a significant role, so to speak, in changing the political agenda there in the donbass. we even organized a referendum in 1994. and then, thanks to this program, donbass held a referendum in both donetsk and lugansk. by the way, where is 90 extra percent. the legal referendum on its decision was the soviets , that is, absolutely legally, where more than 90 percent spoke in favor of the official status of the russian language for the federal structure of ukraine for the self-government of donbass if then these same officials in kiev would have listened, you see, we would not have finished everything it's up to these terrible bloody ones yes, but that's the point vladimir here the irony of fate, but

we also had a program on the ont tv channel, choice in the tenth year. she ceased to exist. yes, because our leading talk show. yes, he made a different choice and left, just to ukraine, then commenting repeatedly. as far as freedom of speech is more developed there than in our totalitarian or as a republic. that's what then you could lead the fields. that's in those years, you know , that's when i was then in er in the first half of the nineties. there was practically no censorship. well, there were very strong indignations of the nazis against the nationalists. they demanded to close. uh, of course, for a very long time, they persistently came to rallies from lvov, stopped by in bed, and so on, but in general, to say that someone strongly intervened in the editorial polina as a freeman , you know, from the ninety-fourth year after that