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once you blow it off and you don't get turned on again nicole is here. hello , i welcome everyone who is with us today, our studios are the most interesting interlocutors, experienced diplomats. now deputy head of the commission for international affairs andrei svinykh, as well as political scientist alexei german, are also with us today. the russian intelligence officer in the past will be in touch today as professor of the anthem andrey bezrukov in a word, a great opportunity to talk about events and meanings, but

let's start with what we are here that is not a program that's all, and peaceful ways for ukraine, here at the past, the anti-brik itself was discussed. only now, it seems that in kiev they are setting up for a long war. listen for yourself. uh-huh i'm cutting it. we are ready people. oh, it will be possible, but we do not have an unwanted victim, i said to israel, it is also possible for russia to do it themselves. well, look at this it would seem a small fragment. and how much man said no negotiations for you and tune in to a long war, this was also said. should the war go to the territory of russia, we are with you

we understand that such an interview is usually not spontaneous, and something tells me that in this particular case there was no spontaneity, in general, what is andrey vladimirovich zelensky ready for in this case , the ukrainian population of ukrainian viewers. well, first of all, one important point must be taken into account, uh, the ukrainian leadership does not make any decisions, it is completely under the control of external control centers , these external centers need a war in order to exhaust russia in order to ideally bring it to what -well difficult period, economic, political, whatever, uh, let's not forget that russia is not the direction of the main attack, the main conflict of the 21st century, it's still a conflict with china, but it's another question that it seems to me that it is wishful thinking . well, the war won't last long. and here you need to understand

one more simply important point, the current leadership , realizing that ukraine’s victory will not just take time in order to get additional income and resolve some of its issues, but obviously they we are not interested in regulating the situation, not in securing a future for the ukrainian people. and this is really a tragedy ivanovich. well, it seems to me that we will really say the conditions for maintaining power for zelensky. so the team is the continuation of this war, because in a different mode. yes, questions will arise. still , the pro-efficiency of the management of the same army about how much ukraine has become dependent and lost its sovereignty, these questions will be asked, like e. mothers. the dead will also be asked questions. why were these meat storms? yes, which ended in nothing and so on. this is a cumulative

effect. sooner or later, this will affect specifically zelensky and, in principle , all the power configuration that exists there, but as long as they are in the zombie state, that is, when it is coded by external players, let's say, it can last quite a long time. but we all know that sooner or later these zombies run out of any power. yes, and we see that this moment is already approaching, because , well, obviously not enough, not only weapon. and as a matter of fact, some kind of morale and fighting spirit. hmm, so they want to stretch it out as long as possible. this is a pleasure in quotation marks, especially western states that do business on this, but this will not last long and russia will have to think about a different format of interaction, too. well, we already understood that zelensky is the president of the war, there

are no doubts. remains, and there is an implementer. ukraine well, people are not for this, there are politicians of power who are able to offer and, most importantly, implement to another alternative. let's say. so a certain peaceful option or option. this war with the possibility of escaping the collapse that is still looming on the horizon of ukraine i think that these forces are, of course, there, but deep inside. yes , because now they are under the pressure of terror, it is difficult for them to declare any position, even if it is neutral. yes, at least hmm not to mention there to take into account the interests of neighbors in belarus, russia, but everything can change, because today ukraine is not so independent to completely clean everything up field. yes, we all understand that politicians of various kinds can come to the west as well. yes , who will say, well, that's enough, probably, that's such a frantic war. let's listen to these, that is, maybe such a lord

, of course, a small comment. we still have to give ourselves to the fathers, in the essence of the ukrainian government. that is, it is a totalitarian system that completely destroyed everyone. opponents understand that 80% of the population of ukraine may not support this course, but the interests of the people are realized only if there is an organizational tool political party, leader, and so such parties and leaders in ukraine are simply eliminated. and so it is impossible to wait for any change. remember the uh of germany. there was like an anti-hitler underground, but the political parties began to form the organization of society only after the red army came there. i think it will be the same here, depending on , let's say, partners, these

zelensky perfectly create, but they can, as it were play this role, it seems ready from the game to the end in the same interview with which we started today he corrects himself and says that they say victory victory over russia will not be ours, but our partners, who are given to us with an eyebrow. that is, until the end. still, it does justice to the fact that without them there are two moments. eh, alekseevich correctly said the point is that ukraine can no longer resist. well, really, that is, it survives solely on the financial and military support of western countries, if suddenly for some reason this support would stop. uh, war finished within a week max. well, let's then partners and talk everything you need to know about the high relations of kiev and the washingtons peculiarly admonished zelensky american guests you must win so that we do not lose a group of senators arrived in kiev to personally congratulate zelensky on a holiday that

hardly has anything to do with today's ukraine on independence day, senator lindsey graham to all intents and purposes, actually ordered another vladimir to hold an election in 2024. and declared the need for victories to all, at the front further. i will read slowly. and you think about it so the words of graham you must win a war that we cannot afford to lose. that is, it turns out the ukrainian guys are thousands of people, they will be for the sake of victory for their uncle. sam we are his now senator granny. yes, what , what were you talking about, i mean, they won't let him, let's say, get out of the game, yes, but i'd be here. i would repeat this wording once again earlier, literally six months ago. this is categorically negativity, but in reality the conflict in ukraine is not a conflict between russia and ukraine is the conflict of the national state of russia with the owners of the transnational. uh, financial corporations

here. look at what kind of financial oligarchy you know, which controls the state apparatus of the united states, great britain and the eu and leads. war and this is a very important point and look how interesting they are now turning. closer to the elections, everyone is coming closer to the ukrainian elections, including senators graham says that it is impossible to cancel the choice not for the elections, and in the same interview that we already talked about today, he gives to understand in such a very cunning way, in his characteristic manner, that i will not give up the money allocated for weapons in order to spend them on elections. that is, he understands that the chair is rocking very seriously. naturally, even more so , he can earn money on weapons for his colleagues and from the same financial oligarchs. it's profitable, to be honest, it pushes him to the polls then. but still, it seems to me, there is a certain desire for the western. elite build a frame for zelensky we see that he periodically

breaks down and begins to blame their claims present malmar. small weapon, little money, here, and here it is, well, in general, hard formatting, if they have accepted. to perform green ritual actions under the guise of elections, then they must be performed and , accordingly, the conditions must be met in order to receive the next portion, money , a weapon, that is, it is kept in control mode. and naturally. uh, the elite in kiev would like under the guise of war. uh, the introduction of martial law, cancel any elections even more to toughen that totalitarian regime. yes , so that there weren’t any at all, but opportunities somehow move this power. they stayed there, if not forever, then for as long as they were supposed to be there, so this is a struggle, including for control. yes, so that they are more obedient ukrainian politicians, specifically zelensky, but also so that american senators are representatives of the oligarchs. still, they were confident

in the correct investment of their money. me here i completely agree with this assessment. here i would simply add one such aspect , the thing is that they are western. elites, they are used to the show, they have long since turned the election process in a definitely beautiful show , there is even a term. strictly speaking , western researchers of the country. after democracy, democratic processes have already been emasculated there and replaced by certain ones, so to speak, ritual ritual is a very good word. alexei said the same here . ah, the ukrainian government. says why we will be hypocritical? let's cancel elections , so to speak, this is a more radical position. anti say, no, let's do it beautifully. let's just fake them, but you mean no free honest elections that could at least move this government by iota are not discussed either in the first or in the second case, rotation instead of zelensky to become, except for zaluzhny or

budanov, this will be the father's three steps. uh, again in washington, uh, again, clearly not in a democratic way, but for reasons of expediency, if zelensky works out effectively enough the tasks that come from there, he will replace him. well, from the fact that for us an important signal is the mood, at least this auto-training for the ukrainian population, which was voiced by zelensky and a long war, this is a signal for us that we should not reduce the degree of our combat readiness is one of the factors of our security. well, probably along with the fact that we have tactical nuclear weapons. these, of course, are those joint actions that are being taken against our military together with the dude, and but we saw that after the death of prigozhin, there was a lot of speculation about the fate of the wagnerites on our territory, and alexander lukashenko put all the dots on this issue. i propose to listen, then we will discuss this topic is also important

lived and wagner will live in belarus , no matter how someone would like it, we still lined up with prigozhin and everyone. how will wagner be located with us and these pictures from space that we are dismantling something? why do we remove the extra tents, so many of these tents are not needed. so much is not needed here remains the core. uh, someone left. here on vacation. uh, someone uh, in general, decided to live on the sidelines, but the phone numbers of the password address of the turnout in this headquarters in this core are known within a few days, everyone will be here up to 10,000 people. not now the need to keep them there, nowhere they bake as much as we need and i will not live and work here for this unit. yes, alex, i have such a question. hmm. and

for whom, first of all, alexander lukashenko . that's all. eh, he says. in your opinion, to whom are these words addressed, but it seems to me that there is an internal recipient of this information, both externally and internally. probably , if we are talking about the union space , there were also many questions in russia. and what will happen to wagner after the tragic death of the leadership? and, of course, very closely they are watching the fate of these people in our western direction in poland, especially yes , for them this is just an existential factor. i watch as a result of the elections. it seems to me that it even depends on where to move to adler , to which part of belarus, of course, this is also a manipulation. they sell fear. they sell threats to their population. yes, and on this they are trying to raise the rating of the ruling party. and by the way, it turns out, yes, because they know how to intimidate after all. here, well, in fact , the president, as always in such a not manner dots all. that is, these people

will help our army. they will perform certain tasks that we will need, but naturally, we do not plan aggressive actions, but we see perfectly what is happening there and therefore , uh, such formation as one of the tools is far from superfluous, especially in the conditions of these hybrid conflicts when it is not clear who can penetrate the territory, when the state disowns some, say, military formations very often and we see this all over the world happens, so i think that while we have these people will be useful some of them will actually work with us. well, some of it is optional. uh, in the same place the contract is different , including in africa, but if necessary, we heard, they can be collected. we are very fast. yes, i absolutely agree with this approach. and here i just highlighted the main point. why the death of the leader wagner will not affect the effectiveness of the organization

, the thing is that, like any institution, the pmc is organized in such a way that one person, getting out of the way disappearing it does not break the entire organizational team structure. this is always thought through, always done, and therefore, beyond any doubt, the wagner pmc will continue to function as efficiently without prigozhin, the second moment that needs to be determined. i think it's important to emphasize this. although this moment may be painful even for the belarusian society , the thing is that, well, we are not ready to actively defend our homeland. i get asked this question very often in the classrooms. we are ready to take up arms to defend our country. army, yes and the president must be given credit for doing. everything possible goes to any steps in order to prevent an open armed conflict along the perimeter of our border,

thereby saving both the population and society. remember in your time. he asked the question that sovereignty is worth a lot. we are ready to pay for this sovereignty. here's the question today. e, the meaning of this question is beginning to be revealed e completely and the appearance in our country of both tactical nuclear weapons and warner pmcs are, in fact, measures that are aimed at make any conflict within god our boundaries impossible. it plays a very important role here. why because it's 10,000 people who have gone through a real buoy collision. they are worth much more than uh, they took the entire baltic army and half of the polish. and this means that their appearance here balances the offensive potential of the defense and, in principle, makes any adventures. in this direction , meaningless. we said, but i need to say and

b e college we touched on the topic of pmc wagner, i understand perfectly well, then the number of versions of the reasons this plane crash, which, well, happened suddenly and for many it was a shock of confusion, but for someone it became a reason to carry out their own special psychological operations, but nevertheless, how not to touch on this topic , the impossibility of all versions. which one seems most plausible to you, if you follow the logic, who benefits? well, the first thing i will say is, uh, the most implausible version. it seems to me all the same version of involvement. eh, actually russian leadership, firstly, because there is no longer such a need. yes, all these events with the rebellion left. and prigozhin has already built himself into some kind of new system of relations. basically. it would satisfy. it seems to me that the authorities in russia and this is the first. that is, i don’t

see such a rational or some other motivation for it to be according to this version, but there are other versions, at least. yes, here’s the most exotic one for me, but the version with wagner’s activity in africa still seems interesting, and we know that there is such an interesting country in france with a very long tradition. here are similar colonial colonial traditions, including massacres. here over similar people over others. yes, this is the version. here it seems to me, quite interesting, the second. this, of course, we do not yet know the details of the investigation. but what is surfacing now is that this bomb was probably planted on earth. yes, the fact that some kind of employee was bribed, or was there a technical one or not? this suggests that all the same, this is an agent, for example, ukrainian, which operates there, she is very active. this, too, cannot be stitched

together and discarded, plus in the same place, perhaps, an integrated approach, let's say. yes, that is, the western intelligence service takes the ukrainian one in a row, their interests coincide and they are engaged in similar actions, therefore , it seems to me that we still need to look for a foreign trace due to the very great danger of wagner both in ukraine and let's say in africa i agree with these ratings. i won't even guess. which version is correct. eh why? because it should answer this one, it just should give a consequence, but it's important, i want emphasize. uh, another point is that this death did not lead to a decrease in the defense potential, not for pmcs, nor for russia or belarus, this will not be a negative consequence of any complication of the internal political situation in our countries. and this means that the result in any case is not achieved. moving on, not only ukraine in the neighborhood partially. this was touched upon

to the west, another initiative similar to fence building. now not exclusively, polish, national fun were pulled and other heads of the ministry of the interior were doing your latvia gathered more and adopted a terrible statement to close the border with belarus in the event of a critical incident. moreover, lithuania, in addition , is going to close two more checkpoints on august 18. here i tell you what you think about it. well, you know, if you say so, after all , to speculate a little, i sometimes think that the balts are the political elite of the baltics, after all, they are not independent in the same way. they also receive instructions from external centers of forces in the same way. that's how they envy zelensky or not? on the one hand, it seems not, they do not have a war and the situation is simpler on the other hand. it seems that they are jealous. why? because

a lot can be attributed to the war, you can easily intimidate alex here, his own population is absolutely right. and you can make a lot of money. and so, sometimes it seems to me that they are deliberately compensating for the absence of a war for this escalation of tension when they try to create, what kind of nervous situation from scratch? well, i also agree that they sometimes succeed, judging by the interest that shows the lithuanians to a trip to belarus, it is more likely that they close our citizens from their own. this is another aspect . the point is that when lithuanians come here they see well-being in a peaceful life, and yes, and simply a different lifestyle, a different state, minds, even among the people of the population, then this is certainly a very serious destabilizing factor. from the president of lithuania to the seat, he probably understood what this could lead to, or thought about zelensky and decided

for himself that, probably, after all, a military the prospect is not yet as attractive as it seemed. previously, he urged not to organize a campaign to close control of checkpoints on the border with belarus , and he says so, it is necessary to assess the inconvenience for residents, and then, as if by chance and possibly losses. naturally, because here is the tara torika, which sounds from warsaw from the baltic capitals. yes, while they cause inconvenience to a greater extent, citizens. moreover , our own, especially specifically the baltic countries, where the flow, and as a result, without a visa to our country are very serious and indeed the atmosphere is striking. just recently , a fellow well-known journalist from religion, yuri alekseev, came to me and he looked at how he lives in minsk, he was shocked. well, that is , the comparison of reggae and minsk hmm is impossible in some comparative way. yes, because there is really quite a depressive , constantly disturbing atmosphere, forcing up

this military hysteria, and here is a calm peaceful life of people, and they live, as usual, develop everything in abundance. and this, of course, surprises in a good way, let's say ours so friends from the baltics, but it should be said what, what, if as a result of these actions. yeah, we listen carefully to what representatives of the polish government say, they will block the continental transit, then this is a conflict not only with belarus, we understand that this is a conflict even more with china, and here i understand that it is not the poles themselves who are striving for this. there are serious competitors, primarily in britain in america, who need only maritime trade and not the development of continental routes. and here is the question they are ready to turn into a logistical dead end, yes or they will still try to say a lot of terrible words, but will leave at least the main highways of

continental significance. i think in the end it will be this is the second one, but there will be a lot of words of threats. although we see that sometimes they are already beginning to think and understand what it is. basically, it could end. well, toys , the opinion of the editor-in-chief of balt nyusha andrey starikov on this matter is interesting. uh, he says that this is first of all blackmail and secondly a beautiful picture of emotion. this is history for western sponsors, who should see that the ukrainian problem is also linked to the eastern flank of nato, which is fighting from russia to belarus, the sellers of fear are a very good image. e, alexei suggested and let's continue in this sense. here again, there is no getting away from the wagnerites; in general, poland is very seriously stressed on this score. and i must say that our whites still periodically pour oil on the fire. look at what they write in their publications, referring to them, the ministry of internal affairs of belarus has been giving wagner passports with changed names for a month now. well just a thriller, but with all the absurdity

there is a reason to worry about a simple pole. and this is how we understand that the elections are ahead. we understand that guys. this trio of duda , the marovets kachalinskys, is set up. they definitely lack brutality, they lack justification. why all these expenses? why did the army grow into you and why do they spend more on weapons than on the social sphere? and they may well not organize some kind of terrorist attack and mythical camps with their wagnerites, cover up to say that well, you see, we need to arm even more, but the probability is high. it would not be superfluous to talk about such things about such a direction. well, unfortunately, i think there is a possibility . i don’t presume to estimate how high, but the struggle there is very sharp, it must be admitted, and they are doing everything to snatch this victory and completely control all branches of power. now the situation is shaky, because competitors are also stepping on their heels, while

, uh, competitors are growing. let's just say from the side of the third force, the so-called confederations they even more right, but it is in favor of the sovereignty of poland from the eu that they really do not like. that's how much more bogged down the euro-atlantic structure is. they are trying to play. in more such a right , even a conservative policy, but at the same time defending the national polish interests is a plus. there periodically sound the slogans of zero problems with neighbors, which, let's say, lays down for many poles already. it is necessary to get tired of the soul, after all, people are there and from this eternal confrontation of the unknown in this situation. yes, to finally terrorize their population for something something like that can happen, or some incident at the border, they can arrange. that is, here the arsenal is large , we just need to understand that it is possible that anything can be expected from those people, but again , the fact that more sensible forces are beginning to appear in polish society has not been discarded. this does not mean that they are

our like-minded people, but in any case, if there is an interest in partnership of at least two neighboring states. this is to be welcomed. and it seems to me that such forces will also gain momentum not are sleeping. i think that well i am absolutely. but i agree with this assessment and i want to say that this is now the period of the greatest. well, if i may, so to speak, vulnerabilities, uh, and prospects to spoil the situation. eh, i can put it this way until the end. for ukraine, this period will continue as soon as the goals of freedom are finally achieved. uh, the likelihood of any provocations or armed conflict in other areas in our region as a whole will be drastically reduced. we really need to be vigilant. here on this period. well, interesting pattern, the louder the doors slam in the west, the wider.

they are opening up in the east and in general , as brix themselves are now saying in the global south for the most important international event, the key points, according to experts, the bloc secures geopolitical control, over the middle eastern oil triangle of saudi arabia, the arab emirates, iran, and everything is going so far. under the slogan of the dollar, we do not need plus egypt - this is control over the inherent channel, the second important factor in wounds the image of the outcast, which the west has been creating for so many years , has finally shaken here. it will be correct to say that the world has become different after johan 's prefabricated, or it is too loudly premature, while you need to give time to look, if you make the binding precisely the assembly, that is, the movement has already begun. well, plus this increase. yes, the movement started quite seriously. yes, the brix expansion

is a step in that direction. but this is one of the steps. this is not yet a fundamental change in the situation, but without a doubt. this surprises me, even the very fact of consolidation in general of countries with very different ones. a political agenda with very different interests , an absolutely uncoordinated economic policy is called, well, in a certain way. one might even say panic in the west. it's more of a sign that e collective the west does not feel confident about its future, that their positions are much more precarious than we used to think. this is very interesting. confirmation. you will continue as a director in crystallina. georgieva offers the international financial system to buckle up in the publication of foreign and ferris, and says that a number of powerful forces stimulate the fragmentation of the world economy, you understand? here is a very

interesting moment. it changes the cause and effect of not powerful forces stimulating the fragmentation of the economy. ah, the same countries the collective west brought the economic system of the world to a situation where fragmentation becomes inevitable and lens. you can’t get away from this by the process, and by and large the reaction of both russia and china, and in fact, all the countries that have become brix that have applied for brix, is an attempt to escape. uh, in the process of this destruction. protect your own interests another question is that the position of the imf is a little different here . here is the inevitability of this movement e change global economic system. and she begins to speak very carefully, but if the situation changes, the accountant will still be needed. we don't need to be thrown out. we

will come in handy, we will count the currencies of the brix countries, we will create a new financial system. there is such, in my opinion, we have in the cinema. don't shoot the pianist. he plays. how can yes. this is where she sends . this is the posa signal. of course, very diplomatically very carefully. uh, good. such diplomatic practice, which i have come across in my biographies many times, but they are already declare that they are ready to serve the interests of other players. uh-huh, understand? well , i think that the trend is definitely obvious, this is such a drift. let and slow centers of power. uh, to the east and to the south, and here we are observing a very interesting process, but what happens, probably, once every 500 years, yes, when the leader changes, but this happens over a long period. we are probably at the beginning, but it is extremely interesting that this is the nervous

reaction of the west. that is , it is so used to its exclusivity that these challenges symbolic, so far, to a greater extent , the unification of countries outside the west, and i liked the statement. the representative of the russian ministry of foreign affairs who said that, apparently, the countries of the west will never enter the brix. why, but, because we are partners against each other, cannot impose sanctions. and this is such a very important moral and ethical message that here we are organizing, let's say , the world order or some kind of prototype of it under different rules. maybe this is such an idealistic idea, but this is a very clear message west here you are yourself fenced off from the majority of the world and now you will be isolated for us brix is ​​first of all, what is brix for us in the first place. it seems to me at the moment. this is an opportunity to build up economic cooperation, because now there are, and these

processes of coordination of consolidation are underway, indeed , economies, different continents, different logistics there, in general, what should be in order to organize communication between these countries, but, nevertheless. we have this opportunity quietly without sanctions. uh, no political pressure to look for partners to look for new markets, and plus, of course, the political and diplomatic platform to voice their initiatives to promote integration solutions, which, perhaps, we have already tested and have an idea of ​​​​how this tribune works. e for well a significant part, if not more of humanity. this is very important , because where else can we voice something really important for the planet, because he, but we see how many decisions are blocked there, so here for many parameters. we can voice our voice, seriously. what fundamentally

new opportunities does this give us? well, i would not talk about any fundamentally new opportunities. in fact , the union state with russia and the joint formation of our own macro-region give us fundamentally new opportunities, fundamental really serious opportunities. since we are talking about this topic. here is the core. we need to get to be part of the core of the new macro region, since the game always has a higher standard of living and a faster pace development, and brix for us, it is a tool for stabilizing this transition, stabilizing the formation, which allows, on the one hand, to ensure the predictable supply of belarusian products, primarily to countries that, it was rightly said , do not put forward political conditions . this is a very important point. and this is an opportunity to make this transition to

a multipolar world more predictable and not bloody, because from the west there is no doubt another strategy. they understand that they cannot run non-globalization on their terms. and this means that they will create conflicts. as much as possible in all parts of the world. this means that we are still going through a very difficult period. tests. brix will allow, uh, to torpedo this strategy to smooth out this transition, damn it, and the sco, and the sco. it's all these two tools. yes, i would not even begin to completely discount traditional international organizations, such as the un, after all, they are still there. there are still instruments of influence and are able to consolidate after all, people from the country who are interested in such a more favorable development, as i say creation of the world for all, and not for

the elite. well, thank you. thank you very much. andrey vladimirovich alexey valeryevich for participating in our program in our program the most active schoolchildren from all over belarus i know that the middle ages are divided into three periods - early middle and later, so i answered yes, to win our game. they catch not a freebie, but new information. i had a translation when i studied music school for 3 years. ah, and if memory serves, the french horn is a wind musical instrument; the musical time signature of the waltz is 3/4, because here the measure is three beats 1 2 3 the ticket to the superfinal will be received by the one who can answer the maximum number of questions. the question is rather complicated, but something to me prompted

me to answer exactly no. alexei what is the formula of air for air, how is the formula, there is no formula, it's just a mixture of various gases. it's nice to talk with you, look at the project. i know on tv channel belarus 24. in the breakfast of champions project, we how to start your morning, right, looking at the ingredients? i honestly can’t even imagine that today you and i are cooking eggplant oatmeal pancakes. and i will cook stuffed zucchini. we have friends today. holiday season for a healthy breakfast how to choose a quality thyme in the first place? pay attention to the packaging. it should be airtight, i remind you, it is absolutely impossible to buy sprouted garlic. he has a rather idiosyncratic one. i would even say bad taste. yes, and there are practically no useful properties in it, and we will do it

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olegovich hello, thank you for taking the time for you, but i propose to start with ukraine . here is such a topic. , which can be formulated in such a way as fatigue from the ukrainian agenda. here the counteroffensive failed, pinpoint bites by drones, how the supply of leopards does not change the picture, and we see that the ukrainians themselves have become. here's to your sight. why is the world so abruptly ceasing to be ukrainian centric, is it natural? process or is it more of an information-psychological maneuver before sudden actions, as in sports you look to the left and hit to the right, i will try to tell what i think about this. first, ukraine is a project. this project is not ukrainian. unfortunately, the ukrainians themselves have very little to do with this project. this is an anti-russian project, i will tell you belarusians,

by the way, too. built by the west this project, like all projects, lives from time to time, as long as it is needed. and the tragedy of ukraine is that it has become a project. that its elites were unable to build a country that has permanent ones? forces of attraction constant interests constant understanding of their place in the world, which would become permanent but in the absence of this they are content with the project. does the project have a beginning and an end? and now we already feel this end, what about those who built this project and who paid for it? he sees what they got from this project. well, almost everything you could get. and as far as go

scary, i'm talking about nuclear war. and in general, they never had such thoughts, they had to do a few things that are clearly associated with this project milking europe weakening russia pulling out everything that can be pulled good out of ukraine and leaving afghanistan as they left vietnam and all the others things when their interests no longer coincide with this project. and because it's a project? everyone understands that this project is nearing its end. and there is fatigue from him, because there are no forces that are capable or ready to take up to him and pull him to the end through his whole life through the whole story and so on and so forth. it will be abandoned as soon as it is no longer needed.

well, if we talk about ukraine as a project, we see the appetites of warsaw , which it does not hide, and it looks in, and on the territory of belarus in the nato camp, ukraine has recently hinted, 115 nato may have a new exchange for concessions to the territory, and russia but words are one thing and real deeds are another. here, in your opinion, andrey olegovich how high is the probability of the collapse of ukraine? project. do you know that ukraine has had several attempts in history to make a country out of itself? and all these attempts ended in one end with the fact that someone with stronger elites, and the problem of ukraine is the lack of its own national elite. with an understanding of where they wanted to lead the country, who they are, they are east or west or something else. and

just like ukraine has always been divided over the past, well, 400 years, i guess. she is divided now. and the division of ukraine according to those that make up its cultural block. he closer the weaker becomes the central government, the weaker becomes the understanding of the elite, where to lead this country further, so the collapse of the country is possible? and in general it is logical after all, this is how ukraine lived for many years, there is an attraction to different west to east , i can say about hungary about transcarpathia and so on, right? i can't say that's the way it will be. but the potential is there. it's

absolutely exactly. there are countries. take poland the same, despite the fact that its borders have changed a lot. i cannot say that poland consists of different parts, which can suddenly be pulled apart, even if someone comes. russia cannot be pulled apart. but ukraine may fall apart. and the reverse process has not yet been completely missed, if ukraine's chance to move from the category of a project country is a project, but into the category of a full-fledged state of the country. here is what is needed for this and not a missed moment. i think he's already gone. there was a moment when it was about 10 years ago, probably, when it was possible to concentrate on consolidating the elite on some kind of understanding. well, i don’t know, that is , such a bridge between east and west or something else something at those huge ones.

well, how can i say this with a beautiful land, with a wonderful climate, with the industry that was created under the soviet union, ukraine was, well, a tidbit, or something, for everyone it was actually beautiful. but i think the chance is gone now. the leadership that is now, it will go away, it will go away. in a crisis, she will leave in a bad way. and this means a chance for someone to stay and keep. is minimal to other topics. the more we look at the confrontation on the ukrainian front in general, the clearer, of course, the understanding that ours is not about moscow and about kiev and about the birth of a new world order and today this request for a new world. it is no longer just even in

the air, but every day we hear such blows on the battery. another of them was the other day in johannesburg, where the sanitary epidemiological brix passed , which the builders themselves called themselves. there's an extension of the journalists that the experts who watched called all of this a challenge that the global south throws at the global west. this is how you see it, we are truly entering a new age now. absolutely you know our era can be compared with what it was 100 years ago. this is a transition from one world order to another, and it is both technological and political and economic, and now we will have a different economic picture of the world. look, after all, the center of gravity is the center of industry, the center of the dynamics of the international economy goes to the east. and that's where we

're seeing growth, that's where we're seeing big countries and india china indonesia and others come into their own. a new structure of the world is being built. naturally, he, of course, is not on the periphery. but he is no longer the center. this is the center. now it is not clear, it turns out. such two poles, i don't want to call them poles, but one is growing and consolidating. and the second is losing momentum, which is normal, because the age of the west the era of the liberal economy of the global economy will end now it is disintegrating. and brix is ​​the solution when

countries that don't want the world to be in chaos after this collapse. they take the initiative into their own hands and build a new system. but you once called andrey olegovich briks with the world of the majority. this was before joined by new members of the application, which were announced. that is, now you are more relevant than ever. indeed, this is the world of the majority, but here is a very important point, will this majority have enough will from cohesion, to build not a copy of what we are leaving now, something qualitatively new, is there enough cohesion of will for this breakthrough? well, the world of the majority was first mentioned by sergei aleksandrovich karaganov, that is, i am not the author of this. well, you know, cohesion, it comes out of necessity. each of these serious states of china and russia india brazil iran they see their

national interests, and they understand that together, if they together build the rules of the game, according to which it will be more convenient to live more reliably. everything will be fine for them, if they do not build these rules of the game, then they will have to return to the system that did not accept them, did not recognize them and exploited them, and look at the dynamics, the brix 15 years 10 years ago 5 years ago. it was like, well, between five countries. where in general? they met and talked about being sovereign. and they were leaving. and look at what is now and this is a dynamic. it will continue to accelerate and increase, because

common projects appear, a common vision appears. it is forged and here is what it does. the west helps a lot so that this other understanding can be forged faster. how is the denial of that stupidity? what the west is doing now is burying itself, in fact , back then, one international topic, we have been observing the development of events around niger for several weeks together with the whole world more profile experts say neper, but he sees him with such a french colonial past, so we pay attention to the body, which allow us to speak nevertheless nigers. so, uh, different answers and opinions come from the experts on this program to the question. will there be a big battle for africa? andrey levich to you. i want to clarify. do you think there will be a big war? you know it, if it will be, but

there is such a potential. it will not be for africa ; it will be between african countries for what will be africa. you know, because when the colonial powers divided africa as well as asia . by the way, like the middle east, did they not care? where who lived and now, in fact, this is the same border. niger and nigeria, after all , part of nigeria is muslim, and part is catholic, and when none of the borders is clearly defined, and even more so in the desert and tribes roam between different countries. after all , as soon as the question arises. where is the border?

it won't happen without blood. after all, everyone wants to force behind them, the resources of the population , livestock, and so on and so forth, but nothing is defined in africa. well, i'm exaggerating, but very much is not defined, by the way, in asia, too . look at pakistan, all the borders of pakistan are blurred. on the one hand, the pashtun from the north, where there is a border on the other, is baloch. west with iran where is the border? here it is official, but people live there from one side and the other. but how will he behave when he is divided? and the potential is huge for all this to explode. and it has already exploded. i wouldn’t want to, of course, but if it comes there, hunger, if different players far from africa

begin to set fire to its interests. everything can be. finally, i would like to know, for some reason this is the question. i would like to ask him. so, when the cult film brother was released in the cis, then you will have to work in the usa if i'm not mistaken, i don't know if you watched it or not, but for a whole generation here the picture became something. well , like a hymn to a russian person, there is such a scene, it is very famous there. even those who did not watch the film, they usually saw it, where is the main character daniil bagrov he asks the americans, what is the strength? the power itself answers in truth. first of all, you agree with this that the power is in the truth. and i agree, but you understand danila bagrov , as far as i hear it, by the truth i understood justice. there is some concept. that's what is right? and in this sense, the truth, but

it's justice. when it is right yes, and the russian people are very sensitive, they do not live according to the law, and in fairness they are ready to tolerate the violation of the law, if it is fair, if they feel that it is necessary. it's different in the west, but still. that's when we realize what we're doing, it's right. we have this power tolerate. strength to go forward, how much is needed until we win, and in this sense, strength yes , it is in truth truth is something that you can rely on, as the meaning of life is a brilliant answer. it suits us perfectly. andrey thank you very much for participating in our program

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