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hello, are you watching the program tell me, don't be silent in the studio victoria popova and tatyana shcherbina and visiting. today we have a member of the house of representatives, doctor of historical sciences, professor igor morzek.

hello igor aleksandrovich hello igor aleksandrovich well, just a question for you as a doctor of historical sciences. uh, the school year has already begun. and just this academic year , for the first time in the country, a republican test on the history of belarus will be held, and i have already heard about it. well, let's just say that some parents claim that... why is this necessary? so that you, as a historian, can answer , you understand, tolstukov has one very good phrase. i'm afraid of genghis khan or graff. now he is very we have a lot of genghis khans with the phone the history of your country. this is not just any discipline. this is a definite creed. this is knowledge that answers three important questions. where are we from? why are we who we are and how do we build our strategy for the future based on our historical background? this is all

national history, therefore, in order to understand why belarus, the belarusian people , the belarusian nation and the belarusian state exist as a sociocultural and state reality. why did we gain independence? it is necessary to know the origins of this independence, the real belarusian historical tradition and the history of one’s people, someone else’s worthy of respecting one’s own should be known. we love and honor our conversations. in a rather interesting place, you wrote a book, which is already on our table today . yes, it should be noted that you still improved on what you were working on. and what they promised to release to us. tell me what kind of book this is. well, this is a book of symbols of belarusian eternity, it is a folk belarusian language, that is, this book is based on my author’s project on the capital’s talibatten. yeah that's it the program okay is shown on saturdays, and on the rtr belarus tv channel, this is this

program. not just a transfer under one layout. well, i’ll disperse here, because it’s wide, and this is the history of the symbols of the belarusian powers. this is a scientific, popular book along with it under the most important documents. what topics can i easily hide from them who, what the guests did not know, shouts aggressively. i sent him parcels from chopped up. this is a book about coats of arms and petitions and bending and about battle cries. and remember the very benchmark of belarusian architecture. posted about iconic keys belarusian, the past currents were wrong , russian national food. this is just a refusal , this is such a book created to calculate their income. there are secondary policies. what we are asking about is the history of belarus. that is , it is not scientific, it is dry and serious. there is such a monograph with an elusive development apparatus, distinguished only by

professionals. this is a book for wide liquid scribbling. and this is a refusal on those topical nutrition. here they have become lungs, called relevant. the mouth of the twentieth year with intelligence, without enticement, without taking it out of context. nothing. there are many on the internet who love to scream. why don’t i retouch this? hmm , i’m not amused. here there is an echo of the terrible activities in the bialystochina region in the lomzhinsky district of bialystoczeno belarusian nationalists. they called there was a man standing in the foreground and he had a white belarumon bandage on his police uniform. wrote by someone there from grant i don’t want to twist a person. well, in the same process with these photodomites in archive-cines. these are documents. this is a real photograph, without any retouching, i tried to rarely tell about it absolutely as widely as possible, they started madly, but it’s trembling, what if you’re here? i didn't

invent anything. so, i wrote, and he wrote, that this retouched something was updating the photo from dymok about ukraine and about ukrainians. something not belarusian, this fcs of smoke remains retouched. well, this phase sometimes earlier can now be found at the new exhibition of our khatyn museum, and he is involved there. that's where here the cancer of memory opens up and everything comes to a standstill. no, i was there, in short, not at all, then i went to the archive, not with the attribution of this photo to the evil ones, but there it is an archive photo from dymok and these photographs were photographed. those historical real ones are just now like this. here is the shmat, to whom i wrote here about everything about all the coats of arms about all the banners, and about all the battle cries and about their people and and remember the architecture with a tired face. which oh-so-important ones are declared to be significant for belarus, that is, in fact, this is in the popular novokuba, and the report i’m

just standing about is what we talked to you about before this, this is the belarusian tradition, you have special symbols, special memorials , signs, coats of arms and syas, that’s why i need 8 months of working on a book, something new for myself. you knew it with the belarusians, who we know, uh, all the time. oh, he’s not married, they said, you want, that is , to understand deeply, then albo will give a special course on this problem. i didn’t think much about what they showed me for the mission in improvement, how to fix those course with these assistants, i shmatsheva davidova everything, here they are jubilantly falsifying about ikea, she’s not with i guessed it. there jarobtom banged that many speeches. and which well, a particularly positive master of a weapon is perceived without preshin, she herself corrected it, they do not declare such. i will bring everything that, for example, what she calls hymnomr. we see the bristles with the birth of tazosim, not the anthem of the bnr. that you, so called in the verse, wrote

the minsk anthem in the nineteenth year and it was not for a single day, not the anthem of the bnr and specifically the slutsk rebels. but such people managed to sing the anthem of the belarusian red army. here the kalib was a third of a real army in the twenties, and he was and theirs was exposed on documents, that is, before that, all the gear, and lilia is the coldest, that the absorbed improvement of complete plots in the history of belarusian history. oh snot. if you are a professional historian, this is all about meeting people. i inked and handed over my empadua. yes you are their iconic. she and you to the plots of history i will focus on obvilichi, the belarusian soul and the belarusian spirit. do you know what interested me, when you talked about this book, that battle cries, but belarusians don’t have very easy yes, they come in easily into tradition. this is not our culture or not, there were and are military differences, uh, but i’m just saying that one of the elements of the same

tradition is, a certain formula in which uh. well, here, for example, in our anthem. there is a phrase, live forever and know better, belarus and it is absolutely live and discreet rented for comparison as short as possible and let everything stand up. no, no, no, hai is alive, free belarus let’s say, hai is alive for me, belarus has speeches. i have a case under shaky were absolutely without roofs. that's a positive thing, isn't it? you know, there are symbols. what are speech formulas? what streaks was on jack by the hour, but there are you and tinshi resistant to annotations. and if we allow. you throw out your hand to the vory shelters, then no one will come and say that you are flying away, everyone is guarding the romans, but everyone will think that you are a nazi. and that’s a svastaka, yes, no one will tell you something about the symbol of the sun, but if you have more tattoos with such alboa celtic roofs on you, then your mind will grow

that, well, let’s say you’re a neo-nazi, but the bones were absolutely neutral to hitler to everyone. this fine. and before all these sanctions, it happens that the new sans is completely blocked. i'm here uh. here you are branding some symbols as a certain subculture, and this can be repainted in kyrgyzstan. there are some stavodes there, sometimes there is still a tradition. kaliev corrects everything else. only in them the alley is not advertised, it is not postulated, it is not an element of mass culture, because a person does not want to be toxic to himself , you don’t want to be embarrassed, so that he is positioned by all of them and radical groups with extremism nationalism nazism anything. i remember about this one. and here you are right. then we need to remember everything that happened, the whole history that our country had and the importance of preserving the historical truth of historical memory. we say uh, enough uh a lot. oh

yes, for example, we see ukraine before our eyes and how bandera and shukhevych are revered and the nazis are doing it, when we talk about the so-called new readings. at the same time , new interpretations always arise when new states arise and when the ideological paradigm changes political model, but with all of this, there are two very important points. at the first moment, you still need to understand that a historical fact is a fragment of reality. and we must remember that historical science is a profound, moral science. i always like to repeat such a phrase that there is no such ideology. there is no such creed in the name of which an armed man in uniform has the right to kill women's children, there are no such concepts and such ideas, for the sake of which we can destroy the innocent just because

he has a different nose, but only because he jew or pole it doesn't matter who, or a slave, it doesn't matter. that's when you perceive people as harmful insects. like some group that, from your point of view , thinks wrong, breathes wrong , thinks wrong. that says trouble. this is also this this is when you start talking about quilted jackets about colorados and most importantly, do not miss the moment when this begins to develop. let's see how in 1991 ukraine began to revive nationalism. there is a fragment of the plot of the program time today a congress was held in lviv organizations of ukrainian nationalists. details in our report today , after almost half a century , veterans of the ukrainian nationalist movement gathered for the first time in the delegates' hall, representing today's nationalist organizations

that have resumed their work here in western ukraine and ukrainian abroad. the meeting was addressed by the head of the anti-bolshevik bloc of peoples, yaroslav peskov, by the way, to say the wife of the prime minister of the government of the ukrainian state, created by the nazis and ukrainian nationalists in june 1941 in leo in all speeches. first, the idea that the veterans of the ukrainian nationalist movement need to unite again and pass on the spirit of the struggle for the sobornoy independent ukrainian state to the younger generation. it's interesting that they then interviewed citizens passing by, yes, and they asked. you know what is happening here now in this one, and in this hall he is talking. no, we are not interested, that is, we missed it. uh, at one time, that moment did not betray any special significance, and in the end we see what happened, but the fact is that when we talk about the organization of ukrainian nationalists, this is and there is such a thing

as integral ukrainian nationalism. there was uh, that is, integral ukrainian nationalism is integral, and this is the basis of ideology, just the organization of ukrainian nationalists. this is very close to national socialism. in and took shape there also in the twenties-thirties of the xx century, then became the basis of both bandera and ideology. a any radicalism, be it ukrainian russian belarusian polish, especially when it is based on fascist ideology. what is fascism in the broad sense of the word? this is when you are deeply convinced that there is no fundamental equality between peoples. that there is a certain hierarchy of times, and we are all white, but one nose is longer than the other, in short, one, let’s say

it belongs to the right energy race and moreover, it’s, well, just an anthropological type within the real-life white times, let’s say, yes, when you build this line hierarchy times. when you stand for segregation of people, when you postulate that qualities are transmitted with blood and birth, you know how neo-nazis, for example, english, these skinheads say that if a mongrel gives birth to e in a bull terrier booth, then she will not become a bull terrier, that is, absolute faith in that through blood , anthropology and lineage are transmitted intellectual qualities. and therefore there is once and the lord, there are races of works there are times and parasites, that is, once and the lord of the classical doctrine of german national socialism. this is an energetic race a little later. this latin difference. that is, these are italians, all sorts of others there means, and not

nordic, but still europeans, this is the thing that the walkie-talkie works. this is you and me, that is, all the layers. this is race work. these are nervous , lazy people created by all states . now the lord is a reso-parasite. these are jews who supposedly have been here since their appearance. only i do that harm is russia, the lord therefore should not be destroyed by me. this is very simplified if so. uh, entire institutes were created for this purpose in their time. this classic national socialism. this is classic nazism, but such a radical party that you showed. this is again a continuation of that classic. maybe new packaging. are they from the nazis or is it the worst thing - it’s not the worst crypt nazism. eh, this is when you, as a smart person, understand that the 21st century is not comme il faut to postulate. this is what i told you about, and this is outright harsh

xenophobia. but at the same time, first of all, from the instrumental use these people, as you know, that’s how, uh, a hacking tool with one on the one hand, yes, but in order to serve as militants, as weapons, and on the other hand , you carry out the rehabilitation of those who you need to build this new anti-russian, or anti-polish, or some other identity, what do you have to do for this for this you must do, properly dissect the historical half-grown, falsify it, remove all inconvenient plots. well, let’s say, we remove stories about the extermination of jews or anyone else or poles there and create the image of bright fighters who supposedly fought and we are creating everyone against hitler and against stalin. eh, we show the symbol of sacrificial martyrs , that we declare that this was not a great fatherland war, let’s say, but a civil war and therefore a belarusian policeman. more of

a national hero than the one who opposed him in the forest. eh, at the same time we forget the fact that those who went to serve the germans were about 20,000, well, with weapons in their hands, and they stood in partisan detachments of 374,000. and this is not counting one million three hundred thousand on the fronts, but that the belarusians are second in number if you take it as 100%, uh, the number of nations is second after the russians in the number of heroes and full cavaliers. order of glory, or third in number of people after russians and ukrainians. if you just read for quality, these things are simply removed, and then there is the mass media, there are textbooks and there is the right thing. well in terms of polytech stuff, when you're kindergarten, huh? and before the university you invest certain meanings , completely throwing them out of historical memory, fragmenting historical memory. well, this is a classic and there is no longer historical science. is there ministry of truth all according to oral you remember

how it is written there that every minute of history was rewritten in order to create the image of a total enemy. it is necessary to rewrite the textbook, it is necessary to carry out a certain concept of memorialization. no, no, but the coolest thing is mythologization. what is the beauty of historical mythologization? it’s not a direct lie, an outright outright lie, but it’s a semi-lie, so, let’s say there was some kind of tragedy in the form of political repression or famine. she really was, for example, people were dying of hunger as a result of the fact that they took away the excess grain and everything else. but we go on to state that it was genocide. purposeful destruction of this or that people or both of the other nation, forgetting let's say that the same, let's say. the same tragedy unfolded. well, let's say, uh, in the neighboring republics, where he was also. uh, let's say, definitely such things, yes

, that is, when we limit, that is, when we falsify meanings and invest and invent for people who then had completely different goals beliefs. that is, it can be connected with anything, and the most important thing is to create an image of a total permanent enemy, a scoundrel pests who, all their lives, only do what happens to our light. uh, past present and future and as a result of this enemy. it is possible to write off the authorities of all their past present and current tools used by all states to use. state it all depends on how you use it, if we create images of enemies around the perimeter, and this is counter-counterproductive, but let's say if i

i’m talking about crimes, well, let’s say lithuanian nationalists on the territory of belarus, including here in minsk the weather of the last war, or polish or latvians on vit in general, doesn’t this mean that i project responsibility for these crimes onto the entire lithuanian latvian or polish people, or i think he's such a mischievous devil, uh, that's all. no, of course, i'm talking about the doctrine of those people of the political group behind which these collaborationist detachments were created and who committed a crime against humanity. on the territory of our country against my people. i believe that elementary, uh, a sense of respect for one's own to one's national culture means only one thing to ask for forgiveness for the atrocities that these people committed on our territory because, uh, i would not ask for such claims, if you understand, very often, as they say, well, just think, they cut the poles into

ramparts, not bandera, but they were citizens of the commonwealth and the austro-hungarian empire. they were not citizens of the ukrainian soviet there was no socialist republic of independent ukraine. why should an independent ukraine be held responsible for the crime of bandera? independent ukraine , of course, did not commit these crimes , but as soon as the political leadership of independent ukraine begins its textbooks in the ideology of creating a cult of bandera, it immediately begins to bear responsibility for the people it declares heroes. we also had traitors who also climbed to create. uh, with a new europe with adolf hitler originally hitler's liberator the liberator and everything else was screaming. if only they shouted, they took part in genocidal crimes against their people , i am also writing about this one here, but the fact is that the belarusian e, the power of these people on the pantone on

the pedestal of national heroes is not put. here are the opponents of the government. i was surprised that when the dream of one comrade was written on facebook to throw out the exposition from the museum of the great patriotic war and arrange a museum of several belarusians there. swim, but in the best traditions of the neighbors. yes it's fake the story is shown, that's all. the rest of patriotism is love for the country. and i don't care who has the cut here. what kind of eye does anyone have mongoloidity there or else, that i don’t care for me you have a belarusian passport, and you are my compatriot. you can be, uh, whatever your political views, our constitution doesn't provide for prosecution for but dissentingly punishes an unconstitutional act for breaking the law, that's a thing some people need to learn. and now we’ll take a break for a while, i remind you, u we have a telegram channel. tell me, don't be silent. subscribe, ask questions and suggest guests we are in touch.

the program is on air again, don’t be silent. and today, professor doctor of historical sciences igor alexandrovich marlyuk is our guest of the house of representatives, a curious map was leaked to the network of a new belarus , writes about this in the telegram channel yellow plums , the territory of compact residence of belarusians is allocated here to vilnaz , the surroundings in lithuania and the entire bialystok ledge. plus a little bit of latvia well, the lithuanian authorities reacted very actively to this yes. they said that all sorts of nonsense not to shed disgusting, with which our mahara rushed for 30 years, would be considered as a threat to us the security of lithuania. what happened? what do you think, what happened is what happens literally uh, every year and over the past 30 years, as soon as we start

to return ours as soon as belarus began to move away from under the native lithuanian nationalist historiography, which was recognized as canonical by the post-war soviet union, where it was declared simply a lithuanian state, which was not the case in the 19th century century, which never happened in slavic historiography, because if you take russian imperial from imperial historiography. i’m not talking about belarusian or ukrainian, everyone understood that there were two centers for the unification of the eastern slavs, yes, the dynasty was lithuanian , but everything else there was belarusian, and from the state language to the institute for the administration of the tax system and everything in the world and uh, this is uh about this, by the way, modern lithuanian historians wrote that they write that when the lithuanian renaissance began, the lithuanians created a myth.

and the monolithic lithuanian empire where they were the most important and everything in the world, but at the same time they understood that vilnia and the vilna region, not theirs, were arguing back in the thirteenth year, where to be the capital of lithuania in kausa or in vilna in 1913 , and then they they started and now, and then a myth of the vilna is created, which should be, in any lithuanian way, it is said that vilnius well, i’m talking about it in principle, because it’s not in a single document. no matter what language it is written in and not on any map since the emergence of vilnius no vilnius appeared in the fortieth year officially on the maps about the modern capital of the republic of lithuania. of course, we can say we see, although the poles still say vilnija and they do it right, on the other hand. eh, that's what got them excited. so i understand, when is it or

toning? yes, this is belarusian belarusian -speaking vilnius, vilnius lithuanian was abundantly belarusian and was founded by our ancestors. this was proven by lithuanian archaeologists. here, no, no, no, belarusian archaeologists shoveled posleen there, and there is, uh, a mountain of gedem, somewhere there, east slavic materials date from the eleventh to the thirteenth century , next to three. kryzovaya gora or bald mountain there was a krivich city. guess three times. why was it called krivichkograd to us, and below, where the lower castle is, right next to this town hall tower. here uh, hmm there uh, the most ancient ancient russian bridges date back by radiocarbon 990 plus or minus 90 years, that is, i explain for those who do not understand anything in archeology castles and

craft settlements, with an east slavic character, existed on this territory from 11th century, city. there, the district was across the lane, because yes, we colonized these territories, once it was all baltic, and then our ancestors, who created their statehood much earlier on both sides, yaroslav the wise, on the one hand, on the volyn side, the polotsk princes, on the other, cut themselves through a window to the baltic, which means that latvia paid tribute to the polotsk land to the polotsk principality. we created the duke of the principality, which the latvians steal from us and write that the uncle prince is all sorts. uh, something like the state needs to say that it’s very funny for a historian to read any lies, but on the other hand there was a constant non-attack on the baltic lithuanian lands. and the lithuanians were our danika, they paid us. a tribute to our ancestors, not very politically correct in the sixteenth century, in the chronicles of the grand

duchy of lithuania, they wrote that the people were weak. the beggar paid us money. eh, that is, well, take nothing except brooms. it’s possible that they didn’t exaggerate a little, but no matter how it was, that i just say it on the platform, but the meaning of what was the constant promotion of our language of our tribes and our culture on over the centuries, this process was extended over a century. and it so happened that there are lithuanians. there are litvins. concept. litvin it is meaningfully ambiguous. especially everything depends on which century we are talking about the original meaning of the term. lithuania was there the earliest, of course, the ballian and bavarian meanings, it never disappeared anywhere, but, besides this , all citizens of the grand duchy of lithuania understood the litvins , that's how we soviet people were, yes, plus under lithuania we understood the territory of western belarus and eastern lithuania core core state. e, on and under the litvins

were understood, including the so-called old catholic belarusian population. that is, this is the birthplace of the sternum into parts. you see in general. these are people who were baptized into catholicism, who have not been orthodox for a single day, but who are in the process of all this, being lithuanians by origin. they switched to the belarusian language so this subcultural group arose as part of the emerging belarusian ethnos and from here we have it. oh, by the way, these old catholics some of these old catholics, through palonization , began to recognize themselves as poles, that is, our poles did not fly by parachute. these are the same belarusian-speaking litvins who became poles as a result of the organizational processes of the twenties and thirties of ethnic poles in belarus with a candle , you need to look for this to make it clear. i do not encourage anyone to rewrite their passport. i'm just saying how it was, man. uh, the great belarusian council and makarsky, well, you

know karsky, when they collected news there before the census, who likes their language? who's what does he consider himself? he walked along these spoke. who are you they said? our land is not russian, not pulzko, but the lizanny land is lithuanians, they could not consider themselves, because they spoke belarusian, and russians, especially poles, too, and these tutai part became poles, part became belarusians today. it was stretched out for a very long time, and as a result, what we see, if you take any ethnographic map , a reliable map, you will see where the borders of the belarusian border on the territory of the modern republic of lithuania end. language, as for the fact that in latvia this is ours, this is the zone of our colonization of moisture, if someone has forgotten, let me remind you that when the independent latvian republic arose and when our belarusian city of dvinsk became gaupils. at first he was a uniborg, then he was a dvina. now he has been drinking for a long time.

so, there is a very fact that after the 16th century the belarusian presence felt very powerfully revived. or none, which arose in the national latvian state, which existed before the annexation of these territories to the soviet union, and the belarusians were the second largest people and we had cultural and national autonomy there, until bloody came, their dictator president ulmanis, and there were a lot of belarusian gymnasiums of belarusian schools. vlad of latvia, and therefore this is the band in the first place. the heirs of those who continue not to consider non-lithuanians non-latvians, no matter what passports they have . there is either polish, national identity.

eh, well, it dominates, or these are our carcasses, which someone considers themselves poles , someone considers belarusians. this is the range. and in this regard, the most correct thing would be to calmly without unnecessary bias. by the way, there are quite smart people among lithuanian historians who understand that there are things that they are still unable to digest and that will never happen. and what 's going on here is the part of the city of vilna, which has always been the old belarusian one. they what, how this is being sorted out with this, this is when you and i go through a sharp gate, all these quarters - this is our everything there is an orthodox church there are gothic renaissance typesetting mura. what are they doing? they announce that this is not belarusian ukrainian and they try to give something else to the cemetery there by the uniate to the ukrainian moselles, the most ancient egypt of the 12th century, when, in theory, they promise more than 700 burials of the early

east slavs, they clean it semantically. yes , in general, from uh, they didn’t receive carte blanche for this in 1940. i was just reading documents, how they erased the memory of us, how they carried out violent or tonicization, when they were immediately presented with these territories , when ivanovich gave them later, when the lithuanian ussr became until the forty-first year, how they continued this summerization, the germans, came with the germans continued this letunization and finished us off already in the soviet union, after which it is the belarusians who are represented, in what way the poles do not pose such a threat, look close, and the poles are also nearby. the fact is that ukraine no longer declares its claims to the historical heritage of the grand duchy of lithuania, and we declare these claims not territorial, although they are not afraid of territorial ones, but we calmly

after we got this opportunity, we began to return the truth about our cultural ones . well, remember, some illiterate lithuanian civil servant recently stated that francis karina printed lithuanian books frenchman karina did not print lithuanian books in the capital of the grand duchy of lithuania russian zhamulsky, he printed books in the belarusian stream of the belarusian language, uh, which was then called russian or ruthenian and you just need to know about it, and uh, again, they are dressed in both periodicals and cultural centers, the most important and plugs from the network from and the professor - this is from the university of vilnius, we can’t help but talk about it. yes, this is a common capital. uh, understand, high cultural codes, neither belarusian nor lithuanian nor jewish,

by the way. it’s impossible not to be polish without wilna, but but this monocentric uh is so pure lithuanian concept. well, they want to use it for themselves for internal consumption, for god’s sake, but demand from us that we abandon our past, and igor aleksandrovich i hope that i haven’t seen you for a long time. but this is a yes or a yes, because you are now a threat to national security. i don’t know, i’m a threat, also of polish nationality. i wasn't closed there for 50 years. but it’s true, not me. i'm not even at a loss for guesses. in which hmm polish city? i was not as equal as in lithuanian. and vilnya, of course for me this is biggest punch in the gut. why because i traveled very often, this is always for me. this is so for me this is a place of power, you know? i ’ll say this: i already remember when i was a senator, and i continued to travel. uh, to various

international symposiums at vilnius university. eh, the most interesting thing is that i was friends with many fairly high-ranking scientists or scientists who also occupied a high administrative position in the scientific hierarchy. i will not name the belarusian andradzhens who, long before the twentieth year, removed and we worked in yaga and so we went to a good restaurant after, uh, the lecture, we were sitting , which means we were drinking a little bit of lithuanian beer, and very high-ranking people in the scientific world were sitting there and one of the guru of the belarusian reflection poked and saw his face changed and ran and my colleagues. from below. tomorrow there will be a denunciation that we were sitting together at the same table. eh, belarusian fb yes, but to be honest, i always did. what did i do was to start at all these banquets and everything else. uh, when it all ended, but the first thing i did was when

came to lithuania when i arrived in vilnius. i always walked under a sharp gate, well, it will rain, whatever, i threw my things. so, at night, early in the morning, then early in the morning, i reached myself through the sharp brown. when i walked through this block, i just had to understand this, and then i climbed mount hitymin without fail. this is a ritual. so we assume that they will close themselves off from us with the iron sonavirus. well, you see what’s the matter. this is an old thing. here are the girls. just don't laugh now. can you imagine a normal relationship between the republic of lithuania and the republic of belarus for a long time, 20 to 20 years. our brilliant ballet, the brilliant production of the prince of species and ours gathered on tour. they won’t let you lie to vilnius already down. and they almost gathered there on lithuania’s independence day and almost sold out the tickets. how do you think

it ended? this turned out to be a soft belarusian force, a threat to national security, and our tours were banned. uh, they were cancelled, but they you can’t imagine us , you know this syndrome of small people, who is afraid of big things. and as one i won’t give my last name either, so as to harm me, a good guy in lithuania. well, as a guy, he’s already the same grown-up guy, as i said. you know, we always imagined you as a big drunken slavic man who was lying around in his garden, and at this time we were slaughtered. uh, his fellow countrymen moved the fence. and suddenly he woke up. and what should we do with you? i just read a report about the belarusian mythology around the grand duchy of lithuania, you can also eat such thermonuclear ones, very offensive for that in myths that have nothing at all to do with science , and i once had such a report, and they invited me. they had a club there. lovers of the grand duchy of lithuania are so international and someone gathered,

including all the beau monde and representatives of parliamentary factions, they came from the administration of the president of lithuania, they came, that is, a luxurious place in some center, abbreviated as kl incl yes karelians incl. yes, i read the report, showed the slides, the official part ended and began unofficially, and then it got in the way. first of all, it was me then then, when there was a conflict between georgian and russian. remember, when there in 2008, yes, this is exactly 2008, in my opinion, that’s when there, uh, when saakashvili was eating his tie, and i was asked a question. and about whether belarus will adopt an aggressive history , the poznyak casino says, no, well , we don’t have any territorial claims, but i’m interested in everything, i say, i couldn’t stand it, then i went up to the doctor in afraid come on, nata’s country there was a very slavic unprinted phrase that there were no cameras there and it was said that georgians also have a lot, but that’s how i remove it.

eh, they promised a lot of obscene language too. that is, they are really afraid of this before a bottle of some kind of alcohol with the inscription “for the sake of a moron” comes out. or some kind of cheese or sausage that says albert and didn't have time? no, the governor didn’t have time, then at that moment the governor of ksenitsa cut the ribbon in vitebsk on the monument to prince albert , and just permanent hysteria began, there they always just track every thing under a microscope. this is our body movement. they believed that we were stealing their history, that we were stealing their heroes, that and that all this, yes, was a threat to lithuanian national security. brand. that's it, that's it, that's it. it the thing is that for us, if we behaved like this, then we could also throw a tantrum every day, because when an album comes out and

lithuanian castles are written on it, and in these lithuanian castles there is a nasty castle there. well, it's still historical. lithuania is behind me. a dream , here they are, when i think that a person does not know the history of the 20th century well, he says, or maybe the agreement signed by lenin in 1920, and this is an agreement according to which lithuania was supposed to take away grodno and many other interesting things on our territory. uh, according to their concepts, historical lithuania, which it interprets in baltic categories, should end somewhere in the zaslavl region , you understand, all belarusian-speaking catholics , as well as polish-speaking there or polish -with polish national consciousness, according to the concept of lithuanian nationalists, these are lithuanian degenerates who renounced from the native language. and well, nothing with the right approach. their you can force them to switch to lithuanian, so all these lands, grodno and all the rest are everywhere where there are catholics. there was

an ethnic lithuania and these territories according to their concept of lithuanian nationalists. the beginning of the 20th century should belong to lithuania, the most interesting thing is that, as a banking country , the most interesting thing is that the renaissance when lithuanian statehood took place after the first world war, and this happened under the patronage of the kaiser and there should have been according to the german idea. it should have to be dependent on the german state from the refusal of germany, and they were going to create the kingdom of lithuania with representatives of the german dynasty at the head and when they began to argue there with brilliance in brest. and where is the border? before this, the germans published very objective maps and allowed belarusian schools in the occupation zone, which when they , when this front advanced on the street to the district, everything will become baranovichi there. and when the soviet delegation there began to say so, your maps also show that this is not lithuanian on the maps. you can draw at night. that is

, it was such expediency and ideology that, as a result, a conflict arose between the belarusian national movement and the melitovian national movement. and this conflict, which died down, then exploded in very situations and in the twenties and thirties, lithuania was fiercely hated, poland because it took the vilna region and vilnius. but when you read, the creator of central lithuania, general zhalegovsky. yes, but he was a sashyan. and so he considered himself a litvin, an old litvin, and he was forty-two or forty. in the third year he published a brochure in london where is he? a. he is so pan-slavic - vist was he writes the grand duchy of lithuania - this is the center of the slavic world historical heritage does not belong to this, but belongs only to the belarusians and poles and became theirs there to the fullest. yes, you understand this self-awareness of a person who was a litvin and a pole, at the same time an old litvin. that is, he was a pole by

culture, but at the same time. this is such a traditional, already full-fledged gentry, which for poland, with the help of the first lithuanian belarusian division, consisted of i took away the local cross-breeds from lithuania, i ’ll repeat it again. that, when we talk about the grand duchy of lithuania, we must understand that this is a polly linguistic field , a confessional large state, but the basis of its culture is the main state institutions, when they arose, yes, and when they developed, this is the result of slavic influence, initially this is the east slavic belarusian impulse and ukrainian, if used in modern terms, but they were still pivotal. ah, belarusian lands. here we need the same classic ukrainian historiography mikhail grushevsky wrote that the grand duchy of lithuania is not ukrainian, but primarily belarusian statehood. that is, he did not deny the lithuanian dynasty there, but these things just need to be understood that uh hmm this is not an ethnic

baltic. lithuania the grand duchy of lithuania would never have been a grand duchy, but in its creation, simplification and protection. everyone was interested, our nobels , our nobles from minsk, vitebsk, polotsk, mogilev , pinsk, by the way, the penyans helped a lot. to return the exit to the same. eh, the princely throne and bringing order to the same lithuania, so these things are very strictly politicized. there are several mutually exclusive political concepts, professional scientists know perfectly well how it really was and there are political constructs that are thrown in from both one side and the other, but at the same time an attempt, uh, to shut up the belarusians and declare that the grand duchy is only lithuanian statehood, firstly, is a lie. this is a falsification. it's doomed to

failure because we have our own independent state. and the grand duchy of lithuania russian ezhmoyskaya is a historical form of belarusian. that lithuanian statehood is also but ours, of course, and we can be proud that the entire high culture of the grand duchy of lithuania flowed first in belarusian language forms, here old belarusian or ruthenian russians, and then in polish-language slavic forms, too. and not a single day in the lithuanian language. in this state there was no state and there are whole phrases on separate documents in the lithuanian language, then they began to publish hissis for christians. everything else, but the lithuanian language has never served as the state language, because at the time of the creation of the lithuanian written language. it simply did not exist in nature. now. let's take a moment.

let's take a break after a short pause. let's return to this studio again, for now subscribe to our telegram channel. tell me, don’t be silent, and look for all our episodes on the youtube channel belarus 1. on the air tell me again, don’t be silent, and our guest is a fascinating interlocutor, professor igor marzolyuk. and also the hero of the day is very soon . september 11th is a beautiful date for you. eh, with what baggage is it customary to ask when approaching this anniversary? well, are you serious? very question. actually. you can of course laugh it off. but by and large i am. i feel like it’s where i really wanted it to be. i reached the level of self-realization that i could only dream of when i was there in my 20s. this is

the first point and the second point is that i am a happy person because i have people whom i love and who love me. well, the fact is that there is someone who pathologically cannot stomach me. this is also great; it doesn’t evoke strong emotions. it means it’s bad. i just usually like to say in such cases, the proverb wolf is a dog, is not afraid of a tinkle, does not like it, and therefore , uh, my most cherished dream came true. at the end of the eighties, when i was very young, belarus became a truly independent country. we have real sovereignty , you know, i remember that the most fantastic story i read, and it seemed to me the most fantastic. there was already i do not remember already in this children's pioneer magazine berezka or whatever it was written about the fact that the belarusian boba bergenug team

went to the world championships. i think god this can never happen again, because there is no country and it is unlikely that there will ever be independence. therefore, i am happy that belarus is an independent country. i am happy that each of us is also a colossal achievement, and egor that some things are done to strengthen the independence and self-sufficiency of his country. i did and without exaggerating my role in these moments, but i am proud of it, that's why. i'm happy, i'm full of energy. i have favorite people. i created books that will be argued with, and then, when i am gone forever, and for a scientist this is a great happiness, but also as a politician, i tried to do everything possible and impossible, so that the formula of the ancient romans killed would find spa three for a short life motherland is eternal.

it continued to be realized in our holy beautiful, wonderful land, better than which for a belarusian, perhaps, only this land and no other. today we had a blast in your company igor aleksandrovich because they felt like a big people again, a people whose people even our neighbors are afraid of, but uh, let them be afraid. yes, as our president says, do you understand? we don't have an idiotic stupid one. ah, aggression. we have never threatened anyone, a belarusian is a person of compromise, but before a couple it’s better not to drive our people into a corner, there is nothing worse than a belarusian person enraged in a cold fury. the one who saw, as if he didn’t see, like the lord to anyone, how the belarusians fought both during the war in afghanistan and during the great we fight domestically, like haymaking, we don’t

want war, we always want to maintain peace , we have peace. this is an absolutely self-sufficient value, but we understand peace as the right to self-realize on our territory, and we will not allow anyone to tell us how to live with the help of weapons, political technology, or anything else, and we will not allow anyone to straighten the candles in our temple . thank you very much for the conversation . we are tatyana shcherbina victoria popova saying goodbye to you today. goodbye. goodbye. and now igor marlyuk is talking to you and me. one on all our hallway is cornflower blue, belarus is so diverse and so alone from brest to mogilev from our dios lakes to our novograd nodes. let's love to play around and understand our ukraine and love one another because hatred is not old. i'm in

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