there are citizens from our friendly country, of course, the basis is, first of all, the training of specialists for the real sector of the economy, engineering and technical personnel. uh, very important aspects, of course, are training and teaching staff. tomorrow, minsk will host the key event of the first belarusian uzbek women's business forum and an exhibition of product presentations under the made in belarus brand on the platform of entrepreneurs will be able to directly agree on partnerships. will increase by more than a third , chairman of the house of representatives of the national assembly of belarus vladimir andreichenko said at the opening of an expanded meeting of the council of the parliamentary assembly of the union of belarus of russia on september 4. in pskov , the belarusian leader spoke about the preparation of four new programs and three projects of the union state, and also proposed the development of a model law on border cooperation between belarus and russia. we not only consider it successful. integration in our economies,

but we also have serious progress in terms of ensuring the security of our states, and we see that an important reserve in this is, of course, cross-border interregional cooperation, therefore, with regard to cross-border cooperation. we decided that in the near future we need the parliamentary assembly to develop a model law on the development of cross-border cooperation. i think this is very important, the direction and the important decision that was made, and the pages of true history, the participants of the information and education forum said, belarus is one, molodechno is a startup there, and it enough of all regions, the main goal is the consolidation of patriotic forces, an open conversation on topical issues on the information agenda. the experts discussed modern processes, as well as how the strategy of the future will be lined up with the main speeches. they will become leaders,

leading public associations of the country , the discussion will not be limited to a dialogue platform , the project will include exhibitions and other formats and will end with an action on september 17 on national unity day. indeed , belarus 1 is also becoming a brand. e our country are becoming significant events, without which the preparation and celebration of the day of national unity is already unthinkable. the concept of the event, belarus 1 is openness. that is, any questions, questions from the floor, questions from the speaker, and which, let’s say, are included in the agenda, and everything that worries people, in the regions, what worries people in our country in grodno, the construction of a bypass ring road is underway. it will connect two young neighborhoods in the south and north of al-shanku and grandichi. the main work has been completed and several road interchanges have been erected. bridge built. builders are now across the neman. on the most critical section of the track , it was worked out with railway tracks and the ozersk highway to organize a complex traffic intersection. for several design

solutions, work is currently underway on the installation of superstructures. e, the overpass has already completed the installation of span structures on the axes 01 1 2 2, 3 also mounted a tunnel type overpass. now we will have to simultaneously fill this overpass, the drainage layer of sand , all these works will practically be carried out manually, the international forum of representatives of professional music education in the countries of eurasia started in belarus on the form. the tendencies of the development of music education in the eurasian cultural space were discussed within the framework of the projects of the belarusian state academy of music, a concert was held, the soloist of the moscow philharmonic ekaterina mechetina pleased the audience with rachmaninov's compositions by the end of the second day, the form will remain a local concert of two youth ensembles of belarus russia what secrets hide the greatest shrines

christianity, all the churches, all the shrines on the territory of the grand duchy of lithuania , on the territory of the private court of belarus itself . well, i don’t think that spiritually it can be a coincidence, does the name affect the character and fate of a person in a man of myagotara, he is a saint, as if he was called, but to live like this i mean, you have competition. why does the bible call to be joyful sometimes earthly joy, bodily joy, it is so uh, sometimes it passes very quickly, and the joy that a person receives from communion with god in the church, then this joy, it somehow turns out that fills every day of his life. why do they ring bells in churches , it is known that bells are a tradition of ringing yes, it was the form of bells that came to us more western, as it were, traditions from the catholic,

because in the orthodox, as it were, execution. it was called a beater, from which plates were also beaten from the same departure material, but they were beaten with answers to these and other questions in spiritual and educational projects on the belarus 24 tv channel . call god's wolf out of spite into the lake tore off the devil with his rips and the cell injects the wolf into the maya lake, the shape of the correct circle does not change for a stretch of debts, there are chances on the far side that the wok sotsit for with the right people from heaven and shmat them such zhany chandeliers in belarus hello hello to all who are now

with us today our studios are the most interesting interlocutors experienced diplomat. now deputy head of the international affairs commission andrei svinykh, as well as political scientist alexei germant. also today, a russian intelligence officer will be in touch with us. in past. today we are mgimo professor andrey bezrukov, in a word, a great opportunity to talk about events and meanings, but let's start with what we are here that the program is not everything, and peaceful ways for ukraine were discussed at the last brix summit. only now, it seems like in the movies they are setting up for a long war. listen themselves. israel. forgiveness, guilt, we are ready for people. oh, so you can bots, but to minimize the victims. yak hid the house of israel. i said. you can

also do it to russia. well, the great ryzy is what exactly behind the horses. well, look at this it would seem a small fragment. and how much the man said, no negotiations for you and tune in to a long war , and it sounded like that. should the war go to the territory of russia in general , you and i understand that such interviews are usually not spontaneous, and something tells me that in this particular case there was no spontaneity, in general, what are the ukrainian population of ukrainian viewers ready for in this case andrey vladimirovich zelensky. well, first of all, one important point must be taken into account, uh, the ukrainian leadership does not make any decisions, it is completely under the control of external control centers , these external centers need a war in order to exhaust russia in

order to ideally bring it to what - well, a difficult period of economic political whatever uh, well, let's not forget that uh russia is not the direction of the main blow, the main conflict of the 21st century, it is still a conflict with china, uh, but another issue that i think is wishful thinking . uh, the war won’t last long after all, and here you need to understand one more simply important point, the current leadership , realizing that ukraine won’t have victory, it’s just playing for time in order to get additional income and solve some of its own questions, but clearly they are not interested in regulating the situation, not in securing a future for the ukrainian people. and this is really a tragedy ivanovich. well, it seems to me that we will really

say the conditions for maintaining power for zelensky. so the team is the continuation of this war, because you give us a different mode. yes, questions will arise. still , the pro-efficiency of the management of the same army about how ukraine became dependent and lost its sovereignty, these questions will be asked, like e. mothers. the dead will also be asked questions. and why were these meat assaults? yes, which ended in nothing and so on. it's accumulated effect. this one will sooner or later affect specifically zelensky and, in principle , all the power configuration that exists there, but as long as they are in a zombie state, that is, when they are led by external players, let's say, this can go on for quite a long time. but we all know that sooner or later these zombies run out of any er, powers. yes, and we see

that this moment is already approaching, because , well, obviously not enough. not only weapons. but in fact, some kind of moral and fighting spirit hmm, therefore, uh, they want to stretch as long as possible. this is a pleasure in quotation marks, especially western states that do business on this, but this will not last long and russia will have to think about a different format of interaction, too. well, we already understood that zelensky is the president of the war, there are no doubts. remains, and there is an implementer. ukraine well, people are not for this, there are politicians of power who are able to offer and, most importantly, implement it in another alternative. let's say. so a certain peaceful option or option. even this war with an opportunity to escape the collapse that is still looming on the horizon of ukraine. i think that these forces are, of course, there, but deep inside. yes , because now they are under the pressure of terror, it is difficult for them to declare any position,

even if it is neutral. yes, at least hmm not to mention there to take into account the interests of neighbors in belarus, russia, but everything can change, because today ukraine is not so independent as to completely clean up the entire field. yes, we all understand that politicians of various kinds can come to the west as well. yes who will say, well, that's enough, probably, that's such a rabid war. let's listen to these, that is, maybe such a lord , of course, a small comment. we still have to give ourselves to the fathers, in the essence of the ukrainian government. that is, it is a totalitarian system that completely destroyed everyone. it is clear to the opponents that 80% of the population of ukraine may not support this course, but the interests of the people and e are realized only if there is an organizational tool political party, leader like this

parties and leaders in ukraine are simply eliminated. and so it is impossible to wait for any change. remember the uh of germany there was an anti-anti-hitler underground, but political parties began to form the organization of society only after the red army came there. i think it will be the same here, depending on, let’s say , partners are perfectly created from zelensky, but knows how to play this role, it seems ready from the game to the end in the same interview with which we started today, he corrects himself and says that they say victory is victory, over russia will not be ours, but our partners, who are given to us with an eyebrow. that is, until the end. still, it does justice to the fact that without them there are two moments. eh, alekseevich correctly said the point is that ukraine can no longer resist. well, really,

that is, it survives solely on the financial and military support of western countries, if suddenly for some reason this support would stop. uh, the war would be over within a week at the most. well let's then partners and talk everything you need to know about high relations between kiev and the washingtons peculiarly admonished zelensky american guests you must win so that we do not lose a group of senators arrived in kiev to personally congratulate zelensky on a holiday that hardly has anything to do with today's ukraine independence day, senator lindsey graham judging by the tone, he actually ordered another to vladimir hold elections in 2024. and she declared the need for victories to the all, at the front further. i will read slowly. and you think about it so graham's words you must win a war we can't afford lose to yourself. that is, it turns out that thousands of ukrainian guys die for the sake of their uncle's victory. sam, we are his senator now grim, yes, what, what

were you talking about, that is, they will not let him, let's say, get out of the game, yes, but i would be here. i would have repeated this wording once again just six months ago. this was categorically denied, but in reality the conflict in ukraine is not a conflict between russia and ukraine, it is a conflict between the national state of russia and the owners of transnational ones. uh, financial corporations here, look what she's like you know financial oligarchy, yes, which controls the e state apparatuses of the us uk eu and leads. war and this is a very important point and look how interesting they are now turning. closer to the elections, everyone is coming closer to the ukrainian elections, including senator graham says that it is impossible to cancel the choice not for the elections, and in the same interview that we already talked about today, he makes it clear so very cunningly in his usual

manner that i will not hand over the money allocated for weapons in order to spend them on elections. that is, he understands that the chair is rocking very seriously. naturally, even more so , he can earn money on weapons for his colleagues and from that very financial oligarch. it's profitable, to be honest, it pushes him to the polls then. but still, it seems to me that there is a certain desire among the western elites to build a framework for zelensky. we see that he periodically breaks down and begins to blame their claims to present a malmore. small weapon, little money, here, and here it is, well, in general, hard formatting, if they have accepted. green perform ritual actions under the guise of elections, then they must be performed and , accordingly, the conditions must be met in order to receive the next portion, money , a weapon, that is, it is kept in control mode. and naturally. uh, the elite in kiev would like under the guise of war. uh, the introduction

of martial law, cancel any elections even more to toughen that totalitarian regime. yes , so that there weren’t any at all, but opportunities to somehow move this power. they stayed there, if not forever, then for as long as they were supposed to be there by fate, so this is a struggle, including number for management. yes, so that they are more obedient ukrainian politicians, specifically zelensky, but also so that american senators are representatives of the oligarchs. still, they were confident in the correct investment of their money. me here i completely agree with this assessment. here i would simply add one such aspect , the thing is that they are western. the elites, they are used to the show, they have long ago turned the election process. eh, there is definitely a show of beautiful even a term. strictly speaking , western researchers of the country. after democracy, there is already emasculated democratic processes and replaced by certain so to speak, ritual ritual is a very

good word. alexei said the same here . ah, the ukrainian government. says why we will be hypocritical? let's cancel elections , so to speak, this is a more radical position. and they say no, let's do it beautifully. let's just falsify them , but you mean that there are no free , honest elections that could move this government at least one iota, neither in the first nor in the second case, rotation instead of zelensky according to become, except for zaluzhny or budanov, this will be three steps of the father. uh, again in washington, uh, again, clearly not in a democratic way, but for reasons of expediency, if zelensky works out effectively enough the tasks that come from there, he will replace him. well, from the fact that for us an important signal is the mood, at least this auto-training for the ukrainian population, which was voiced by zelensky, and in a long war, this signal for us that we should not reduce the degree of our combat

readiness is one of the factors of our security. well, probably along with the fact that we have tactical nuclear weapons. these, of course, are those joint actions that are being taken on our military together with the dude, and but we saw that after the death of prigozhin, there was a lot of speculation about the fate of the wagnerites on our territory and alexander lukashenko dotted everything and in this matter i propose listen, then we will discuss this topic, too , wagner lived and wagner will live in belarus , no matter how much someone would like it, we lined up with prigogine and everyone. how will it be we are located wagner and these are the pictures from space that we are dismantling something? why do we remove the extra tents, so many of these tents are not needed. so much is not needed here remains the core. uh, someone left. here on vacation. uh, someone uh, in general, decided to live on the sidelines, but the phone numbers

of the address are paroles in this headquarters. in this core are known for a few days, everyone will be here up to 10,000 people. now there is no need to keep them there, nowhere they bake as much as we need and this unit i will not live here and work. ah, aleksey valentin i have this question. hmm and who is alexander lukashenko primarily for? that's all. eh, he says. in your opinion, to whom are these words addressed, but it seems to me that there is also an internal recipient of this information, both externally and internally. probably, if we are talking about the union space, there are also many questions in russia about what will happen to wagner after the tragic death of the leadership. and, of course, they are closely following the fate of these people in our western direction in poland, especially yes, for them it’s easy

existential factor. i watch as a result of the elections. it seems to me that it even depends on where to move to wagner there, to which part of belarus, of course, this is also manipulation. they sell fear. they sell threats to their population. yes, and on this they are trying to raise the rating of the ruling party. and by the way, it turns out, yes, because they know how to intimidate after all. here, well, in fact , the president, as always, in such a not manner dot all the points, that is, these people will help our army. they will perform certain tasks that we will be necessary, but naturally, we are not planning aggressive actions, but we see very well what is happening there and therefore , uh, such a formation, as one of the tools, is far from superfluous, especially in the conditions of these hybrid conflicts, when it is not clear who can penetrate territory, when the state disavows itself from some, say, military formations very often and we see this

happening all over the world. therefore, i think that these people will be useful for us, some of them will really work with us. well, part is already to your desire. uh, there are different contracts in there , including in africa, but if necessary, we heard, they can be collected. we are very fast. yes, i absolutely agree with this approach. and here i just highlighted the main point. why the death of the leader wagner will not affect the effectiveness of the organization , the thing is that, like any institution of the pmc , it is organized in such a way that one person, escaping and disappearing, does not break the entire organizational team structure. this is always thought out, always done, and therefore, without a doubt, pmc wagner will continue to to function as effectively without prigogine is the second point that needs to be determined. i think it's important to emphasize this. although this moment may be

painful even for the belarusian society , the thing is that, well, we are not ready to actively defend our homeland. i get asked this question very often in the classrooms. we are ready to take up arms to defend our country. army, yes , and the president must be given credit for doing. everything possible goes to any steps in order to prevent an open armed hot conflict along the perimeter of our border. save the population and the society itself. remember in your time. he asked the question that sovereignty is worth a lot. we are ready to pay for this sovereignty. here's the question today. eh, the meaning of this question is beginning to be fully revealed e and the appearance in our country of both tactical nuclear weapons and warner pmcs are, in fact, measures that are aimed at making any conflict in god our borders

impossible. it plays a very important role here. why because it's 10,000 people who real clashes took place. they are worth much more than uh, they took the entire baltic army and half of the polish. and this means that their appearance here balances the offensive potential of the defense and, in principle, makes any adventures. in this direction , meaningless. we said, aan, you need to say ib college. we touched on the topic, i understand very well the wagner pmc, but the number of versions of the reasons for this plane crash , which, well, happened suddenly and for many it was a shock of confusion, but for someone it became a reason to carry out their special psychological operations, but nevertheless, how would not touch this topic , the impossibility of all versions. which one seems most plausible to you, if you follow the logic,

who benefits? well, the first thing i will say is, uh, the most implausible version. it seems to me all the same version of involvement. uh, the actual russian leadership, firstly, because there is no longer such a need. yes, all these events with the rebellion left. and prigozhin has already built himself into some kind of new system of relations. in principle. it would satisfy. it seems to me that the authorities in russia and this is the first. that is, i don’t see such a rational or some other motivation for it to be according to this version, but there are other versions, at least. yes, to me the most exotic, but still interesting version seems to be wagner's activity in africa, and we know that france is such an interesting country with very old traditions. here are similar colonial colonial traditions,

including massacres. here's over like people over others. yes, this is the version. here it seems to me, quite interesting, the second. this, of course, we do not yet know the details of the investigation. but what is surfacing now is that this bomb was probably planted on earth. yes, the fact that some kind of employee was bribed, or was there a technical one or not? this suggests that all the same, this is an agency, for example, ukrainian, which operates there, it is very active. this, too, cannot be stitched together and discarded, plus in the same place, perhaps, an integrated approach, let's say. yes, that is the western intelligence service takes the ukrainian one for a contract, their interests coincide and they are engaged in similar actions, therefore , it seems to me that we still need to look for a foreign trace due to the very great danger of wagner both in ukraine and, for example, in africa. i agree with these assessments. i won't even guess. which version is correct. eh

why? because this should answer this one , it should simply give a consequence, but it is important, i want to emphasize. uh, another point is that this death did not lead to a decrease in the defense potential of anything vk neither russia nor belarus is will be a negative consequence of any complication of the internal political situation in our countries. and this means that the result in any case is not achieved. moving on, not only ukraine in the neighborhood partially. this was touched upon to the west, another initiative similar to fence building. now, not exclusively, polish, national fun reached out and other heads of the ministry of the interior made your latvia poland gathered and adopted a terrible statement to close the border with belarus in the event of a critical incident. moreover, lithuania in additions will be closed on august 18, the checkpoint is going to close two more. here hmm first, what do you think about this. well, you know, if you say so, after all

, to speculate a little, i sometimes think that the balts are the political elite of the baltics , after all, they are not independent in the same way. they also receive instructions from external centers of forces in the same way. that's how they envy zelensky or not? on the one hand, it seems not, they do not have a war and the situation is simpler on the other hand. it seems that they are jealous why because a lot can be attributed to the war can be easily to intimidate alex here is absolutely right his own population. and you can make a lot of money. and so, sometimes it seems to me that they are deliberately compensating for the absence of a war for this escalation of tension when they try to create, what kind of nervous situation from scratch? well, i also agree that they sometimes succeed. well, judging by the interest that lithuanians show in a trip to belarus, it is more likely that

they are not closing our citizens from theirs, this is another aspect. the point is that when lithuanians come here, here a peaceful life of well-being, and yes, and simply a different lifestyle, a different state of mind, even among the people of the population, then this is certainly a very serious destabilizing factor. from the president of lithuania to the seat, he probably understood what this could lead to, or thought about zelensky and decided for himself that, probably, the military prospects are still not as attractive as it seemed. previously, he urged not to arrange a campaign to close the control of checkpoints on the border with belarus, and he says so, it is necessary to evaluate inconvenience for residents, and then, as if by chance and possibly losses. naturally, because this is the rhetoric that sounds from warsaw from the baltic capitals. yes, while they cause inconvenience to a greater extent, citizens.

moreover, especially specifically the baltic countries, where the flow is, and as a result, without a visa, our country is very serious and really striking. the atmosphere is striking. recently , a friend, a well-known journalist from riga, yuri alekseev, came to me and he looked at how he lives in minsk, he was shocked. well, that is a comparison of religion minsk hmm impossible in some comparative way. yes, because there is really quite a depressive , constantly disturbing atmosphere, forcing up this military hysteria, and here is a calm peaceful life of people, and they live, as usual, develop everything in abundance. and this, of course, surprises in a good way , let's say our friends from the baltic states, but it should be said what, if, as a result of these actions. yeah, we listen carefully to what the representatives of the polish government say, they will block the transit continental, then this

the conflict is not only with belarus, we understand that this is a conflict even more with china, and here i understand that it is not the poles themselves who are striving for this. there are serious competitors, primarily in britain in america, who need only maritime trade and not the development of continental routes. and here the question is whether they are ready to turn into a logistical dead end, yes or they will still try to say a lot of terrible words, but will leave at least the main highways of continental significance. i think in the end will be this is the second one, but there will be a lot of words of threats. although we see that sometimes they are already beginning to think again and understand how this, in principle, can end. well, you need pears. here is an interesting opinion of the editor-in-chief balt nyusha andrey starikov on this matter. uh, he says that this is first of all blackmail and secondly a beautiful picture and emotions. this is a story for western sponsors who should see that the ukrainian problem is also linked to the eastern flank of nato, which is fighting from russia to

belarus sellers, fear is very good image. e, alexei suggested and let's continue in this sense. here again , there is no getting away from the wagnerites; in general, poland is very seriously stressed on this score. and i must say that the fire still periodically pours oil on our whites. look at what they write in their publications, referring to them, the ministry of internal affairs of belarus has been issuing wagner passports with changed names for a month now. well, just a thriller, but for all the absurdity, there is a reason to worry about a simple pole. and this is how we understand that the elections are ahead. we understand that guys. here is this trio of duda ant kachelinsky tuned. they definitely lack brutality, they lack justification. why all these expenses? why did the army grow in you why they spend more on weapons than on the social sphere? and they may well not organize some kind of terrorist attack with the mythical wagner wagnerites? hide behind saying that, well, you see, we need

to arm even more, but the probability is high. it would not be superfluous to talk about such things about such a direction. well, unfortunately, i think there is a possibility to estimate how high, but the struggle there is very sharp, it must be admitted, and they are doing everything to snatch this victory to completely control all branches of power; now the situation is shaky, because competitors are also on their heels, while, uh, competitors are growing. let's just say from the side of a third force, the so-called confederations are even more right-wing, but it is precisely in favor of poland's sovereignty from the eu that they really don't like it. that's how much more bogged down the euro-atlantic structure is. they are trying to play. in more such a right even conservative politics, but at the same time defending the national polish interests and plus. the slogans “zero problems with neighbors” are periodically heard there, which, let’s say, very

much fits into the soul of many poles, after all , people are there and from this eternal confrontation of the unknown in this situation. yes, to finally terrorize their population. something like this can happen, or some kind of incident at the border cannot be arranged. that is, here the arsenal is large, we just need to understand that it is possible that anything can be expected from those people, but also again, the fact that more sensible forces are beginning to appear in polish society was not discarded. this does not mean that they are not our like-minded people, but in any case, if there is an interest in partnership of at least two neighboring states. this is to be welcomed. and it seems to me that such forces will also gain momentum. i would like the special services do not sleep, including, if anything, well, i absolutely. but i agree with this assessment and i want to say that this is now the period of the greatest. well, if i may, so to speak, vulnerabilities, uh, and prospects ruin the situation. eh, i can

put it this way until the end. for ukraine, this period will continue as soon as the goals of freedom are finally achieved. uh, the likelihood of any provocations or armed conflict in other areas in our region as a whole will be drastically reduced. we really need to be vigilant. here for this period. well, an interesting pattern is that the louder the doors slam in the west, the wider they swing open in the east and in general, as they say in the global south, to the most important brix themselves are key points to the international event, according to experts, the bloc secures geopolitical control over the middle east oil triangle of saudi arabia, the united arab emirates, iran, and everything is going on for now. under the slogan of the dollar, we do not need plus egypt is control over its own channel. the second important factor of the wounds has finally shaken up the image of the

outcast that the west has been creating for so many years . russian screams. despite all the attempts to cancel, the sixteenth next year takes kazan andrey vladimirovich correctly, it will be correct to say that the world has become different after johan's national team, or is it too loudly premature, while you need to give time to look, if you make the binding precisely the assembly, that is, the movement has already begun . well, plus such an increase. yes, the movement started quite seriously. yes , the brix expansion is a step in that direction. but this is one of the steps. this is not yet a fundamental change in the situation, but without a doubt. this is what surprises me, even the very fact of consolidation. in general, the countries are very different. a political agenda with very different interests calls for an absolutely uncoordinated economic policy, well, in a certain way. one might even say panic in the west. it is rather a sign

that the collective west does not feel confident in its future, that their positions are much more precarious than we used to think. this is very interesting. confirmation. you will continue as a director in crystallina. dörgala proposes an international financial system buckle up in forin and ferris, and says that a number of powerful forces are stimulating the fragmentation of the world economy. you see, here is a very interesting moment. it changes the cause and effect of not powerful forces stimulating the fragmentation of the economy. and uh, the same countries of the collective west have brought the economic system of the world to a situation where mentation becomes inevitable and the lens. you can’t get away from this process, and by and large the reaction of both russia and china and, in fact, of all the countries that have become in brix who applied to brix is ​​an attempt to escape. uh, in the process of this

destruction, protecting one's own interests is another matter, that the position of the imf is a little different here . this movement is the inevitability of changing the global economic system. and she begins to speak very carefully, but if the situation changes, the accountant will still be needed. we don't need to be thrown out. we will come in handy, we will count the currencies of countries brix we will create a new financial system. there is something like that, in my opinion, in our cinematography. don't shoot the pianist. he plays. how can yes. this is where she sends . this is the posa signal. of course, very diplomatically very carefully. uh, good such a diplomatic practice, which i have encountered many times in my biography, but they already declare that they are ready to serve

the interests of other players. uh-huh, understand? well , i think that the trend is definitely obvious, this is such a drift. let and slow centers of power. uh, to the east and to the south, and here we are observing a very interesting process, but what happens, probably, once every 500 years, yes, when the leader changes, but this happens over a long period. we are probably at the beginning, but it is extremely interesting that this is the nervous reaction of the west. that is, it is so used to its exclusivity that these challenges are symbolic so far to a greater extent of the unification of countries outside the west, and i liked the statement. the representative of the russian ministry of foreign affairs who said that, apparently, the countries of the west in brix never will enter why, but because we are partners against each other, sanctions cannot be introduced. and this is such a very important moral and ethical

message that here we are organizing, let's say , the world order or some kind of prototype of it under different rules. maybe this is such an idealistic idea, but this is a very clear message. west you have fenced yourself off from the majority of the world and now you will be isolated for us brix is ​​first of all, what is brix for us in the first place. it seems to me at the moment. this is an opportunity to build up economic cooperation, because now there, and these processes are underway to coordinate consolidation, indeed , economies, different continents, different logistics there, in general, what should be in order to organize communication between these countries, but, nevertheless. us is able to calmly without sanctions. eh, without political pressure to look for partners to look for new markets, and plus, of course, both the political and diplomatic platform to voice their initiatives to promote integration solutions,

which maybe we have already tested and have representation of how what works and this tribune. e for well a significant part, if not more of humanity. this is very important , because where else can we voice something really important for the planet, because we see how many decisions are blocked there, so here in many ways. we can voice our voice, seriously. what fundamentally new opportunities does this give us? well, i would not talk about some fundamentally new opportunities. in fact, fundamentally new opportunities are fundamental the union state with russia and the joint formation of our own macro-region gives us really serious opportunities. since we are talking about this topic. here is the core. we need to get to become part of the core of a new macro-region, because in the bucket, there is always

a higher standard of living and a faster pace of development, and brix for us is a tool for stabilizing this transition, stabilizing the formation, which allows, on the one hand, to ensure the predicted supply of belarusian products, outside before total countries that have been very rightly said do not put forward political contingent solutions. this is a very important moment. and this is an opportunity to make this transition to a multipolar world more predictable and not bloody, because from the west there is no doubt another strategy. they understand that they cannot launch neo-globalization on their own terms. and this means that they will create conflicts. as much as possible in all parts of the world, this means that we will still go through a very difficult period. tests. brix will let uh, to torpedo this strategy to smooth this

transition brilliance and shos - these are all these two tools. yes, i would not even begin to completely discount traditional international organizations. like, he's still there. there are still instruments of influence and are capable of consolidating all the same people from the country who are interested in such a more favorable development, as i say creation of the world for all, not for the elite. well, thank you. thank you very much. andrey vladimirovich alexey valerievich for we continue to participate in our program and we have one more guest in touch with the studio today, a personality. a multifaceted russian intelligence officer, writer, brilliant political scientist, a huge audience knows and loves him as a lecturer who is able to simply talk about complex things. what, what. we

often lack clarity in these turbulent news flows, so our today's guest is truly welcomed by the presidium's hemomember professor advice on russia's foreign defense policy andrey bezrukov andrey olegovich hello, thank you for finding time for you, but i propose to start with ukraine . so there was such a topic, the essence of which can be formulated in this way, fatigue from the ukrainian agenda. here is the counteroffensive failed. uh, point bites by drones, like deliveries of leopards, do not change the picture, and we see what the ukrainians themselves have become. here's to your point of view. why is the world so abruptly ceasing to be ukrainian centric - is this a natural process, or is it more of an informational and psychological cook before sudden actions, like in sports you look to the left and hit to the right i'll try tell me what i think about it. first, ukraine is a project. this project is not

ukrainian. unfortunately, the ukrainians themselves have very little to do with this project. this is an anti-russian project, i will tell you belarusians, by the way, too. built by the west this project , like all projects, lives from time to time, as long as it is needed. and the tragedy of ukraine is that it has become a project. that its elites were unable to build a country that is permanent? forces of attraction permanent interests constant understanding of one's place in the world, which would become permanent. but in the absence that they are satisfied with the project. does the project have a beginning and an end? and now we already

feel this end, what about those who built this project and who paid for it? he sees what they got from this project. well, almost everything you could get. and since it's scary to go further, i'm talking about nuclear war. and in general, they never had such thoughts, they had to do a few things that are clearly associated with this project, milk europe, weaken russia , pull out everything that can be pulled out of good ukraine and leave as they left, afghanistan , vietnam and all other things, when their interests no longer coincide with this project. and because it's a project? everyone understands that this project is nearing its end. and there is fatigue from him, because there are no forces that

are capable or ready to take up to him and pull him to the end through his whole life through the whole history, and so on and so forth. it will be abandoned as soon as it is no longer needed. well, if we talk about ukraine as a project, we see the appetites of warsaw, which it does not hide, moreover peeks and on the territory of belarus in the camp of nato recently hinted ukraine may 115 nato a new exchange for concessions to the territory, and russia but one thing is words and another thing is real deeds. here's to your point of view. andrei olegovich, how high is the probability of the collapse of ukraine? it is great precisely because it is a project. do you know that ukraine has had several attempts in history to make a country out of itself? and all these attempts ended in one end with the fact that someone with stronger elites, and the problem

of ukraine is the lack of its own national elite. with an understanding of where they wanted to lead the country, who they are, they are east or west or something else. and just like ukraine has always been divided over the past, well, 400 years, i guess. she is divided now. and the division of ukraine according to those that make up its cultural block. he is closer. the weaker the central power becomes, the weaker the understanding of the elite becomes. where to lead this country further, so the collapse of the country is possible? and in general it is logical after all, this is how ukraine lived for many years, there is an attraction to different west to east

i can say about hungary about transcarpathia and so on, right? i can't say that's the way it will be. but the potential is there. it's absolutely exactly. there are countries. take poland the same, despite the fact that its borders have changed a lot. i cannot say that poland consists of different parts, which can suddenly be pulled apart, even if someone comes. russia cannot be pulled apart. but ukraine may fall apart. and the reverse process is still not completely lost, if the chance of ukraine is still from the category of a project these country projects, and in the category of a full-fledged state of the country. here is what is needed for this and no omissions. i think he's already gone. there was a moment when it was about 10 years ago, probably, when it was possible to concentrate

on consolidating the elite on some kind of understanding. well, i don’t know, that is, such a bridge between east and west, or something else with those huge ones. well, how can i say this with a beautiful land, with a wonderful climate , with the industry that was created under the soviet union, ukraine was, well, varnish and a piece, or something, for everyone it really is was wonderful. but i think the chance is now lost. the leadership that is now, it will go away, it will go away. in a crisis, she will leave in a bad way. and this means a chance for someone to stay and keep.

is minimal to other topics. the more we look at the confrontation on the ukrainian front in general, the clearer the understanding, of course, that ours is not about moscow and kiev, but about the birth of a new world order and today this request is on the new world. it is no longer just even in the air, but every day we hear such blows on the battery, another of them was the other day hansburg, brix himself came there, which the builders themselves called themselves. there's an extension of the journalists that the experts who watched called all this a challenge that the global south is throwing down by the global west. this is how you see it, we are truly entering a new age now. absolutely you know our era can be compared with what it was 100 years ago. this is a transition from one world order to another, and it is both technological and political and economic, and now we will have a different

economic picture of the world. look after all the center of gravity is the center of industry, the center of the dynamics of the international economy goes to the east. and that's where we're seeing growth, that's where we're seeing big countries and india china indonesia and others come into their own. a new structure of the world is being built. naturally, he, of course, is not on the periphery. but he is no longer the center. this is the center. now it is not clear, it turns out. such two poles, i don't want to call them poles, but one is growing and consolidating. and the second is losing momentum, which is normal,

because the era of the west is the era of the liberal economy the global economy is over now it is disintegrating. and brix is ​​the solution when countries that don't want the world to be in chaos after this collapse. they take the initiative into their own hands and build a new system. but you once called andrei olegovich briks with the world of the majority. this was before the new members of the application, which were announced, joined. that is, now it is more relevant than ever, indeed, this is the world of the majority. but here is a very important point, will this majority have enough will from solidarity, to to build not a copy of what we are leaving now, something qualitatively new, so, is there enough unity of will for this breakthrough? well, according to the majority, sergei alexandrovich karaganov spoke first, that is, i am not the author of this. well, you know, cohesion, it comes out of necessity.

each of these serious states of china and russia india brazil iran they see their own national interests. and they understand that together, if together they build the rules of the game, according to which it will be more convenient to live more reliably. everything will be fine for them, if they do not build these rules of the game, then they will have to return to the system that did not accept them, did not recognize them and exploited them, and look at the dynamics, the brix 15 years 10 years ago 5 years ago. it was like, well, between five countries. where in general? they met and talked about being

sovereign. and they were leaving. and look at what is now and this is a dynamic. it will continue to accelerate and increase, because common projects appear, a common vision appears. it is forged and here is what does. the west helps a lot so that this other understanding can be forged faster. how is the denial of that stupidity? which makes the west is now burying. himself was still an international topic, and we have been following the development of events around niger for several weeks together with the whole world. well, a more profile experts, they say, niger, but from him he sees such a french colonial past, so we pay attention to those dictionaries that allow us to speak all the same nigers. uh, so here

are the different answers and opinions from experts on this program for a question. will there be a big battle for africa? andrey levich to you. i want to clarify. do you think there will be a big war? you know it, if it will be, but there is such a potential. it will not be for africa , it will be between african countries for what will be africa you know, after all, when the colonial powers divided africa like asia by the way, like the middle east, they didn’t give a damn? where who lived and now, in fact, this is the same border. niger and nigeria, after all , part of nigeria is muslim, and part is catholic, and when none of the borders really

is not defined, and even more so in the desert and tribes roam between different countries. after all , as soon as the question arises. where is the border? it won't happen without blood. after all, everyone wants to force behind them, resources, population, livestock, and so on and so forth, but nothing is defined in africa. well, i'm exaggerating, but a lot is uncertain, by the way, in asia , too. look at pakistan, all the borders of pakistan are blurred. on the one hand, a pashtun from the north where there is a border with another baloch. west with iran where is the border? here it is official, but people live there from one and on the other hand. but how will he behave when he is divided? and the potential is huge for all this

to explode. and it has already exploded. i wouldn’t want to, of course, but if it comes there, hunger, if different players far from africa begin to set fire to its interests. everything can be. finally , i would like to know, for some reason this is the question. i would like to ask him. that's when the cult film brother was released in the cis, you must have worked in the usa then. if i'm not mistaken, i don't know if you watched it or no, but for a whole generation here, the picture has become something. well, like a hymn to a russian person, there is such a scene, it is very famous there. even those who did not watch the film, they usually saw it, where is the main character daniil bagrov he asks the americans, what is the strength? he himself answers the power in the truth. well , firstly, you agree with this that the forces are in the truth. and i agree, but you understand danila

bagrov, as far as i hear it, by the truth i understood justice. there is some concept. that's what is right? and in this sense, the truth, but it's justice. when it's right yes, and the russian people are very sensitive, but they do not live according to the law, and in fairness they are ready to tolerate the violation of the law, if it is fair, if they feel that it is necessary. it's different in the west, but still. that's when we realize what we're doing, it's right. we have this strength to endure. strength to go forward, how much is needed until we win, and in this sense, strength yes

, it is in truth truth is something that you can rely on, as the meaning of life is a brilliant answer. it suits us perfectly. andrey thank you very much for participating in thank you very much for our program andrey bezrukov, professor of the presidium of the council on foreign and defense

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